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new races,[]
I really want San'layn present as a minor race, well YES their leader (Dreven) got killed but there is still San'Layn within the horde. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by H49 swe (talk · contr).
- Sure, why not ... When blizzard adds them as an allied race :p Xporc (talk) 09:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Allied races[]
Zandalari trolls are an allied race, not a "other" race. — Surafbrov T / C 19:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Zandalari[]
Can someone add 
Talanji as leader and Dazar'alor in the Allied cities. Thanks 
SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 02:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Humans for Other Race?[]
Brought this up on the slack, but, should we put Humans up there for the other race part? Fogsail and Ashvane have now thrown their lot in with them. Fogsail also has people like First Mate Malone, who wears a Horde tabard and says "For the Horde!" (Granted, it's more 'For money...and the Horde!' but that's about as valid as your standard Bilgewater Goblin battlecry who sometimes sans the Horde part entirely). We've got Leper Gnomes listed up there and to my knowledge there's only like three named Leper Gnomes, mostly Forsaken workers, and that leper gnome slave sweatshop in Silvermoon. --Berenal (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- Interesting. The comparison with leper gnomes does somehow make me lean towards yeah.
- Alternatively, maybe, we could wait a bit till we see what happens with the Fogsails after BfA (if they stay allied with the Horde or not)? --Mordecay (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'd rather remove the leper gnomes from the infobox and keep humans out tbh. Now, if this happened, I'd gladly have humans on the infobox ... Xporc (talk) 17:42, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- While I agree entirely on that I still think that as they stand they do constitute an 'other races' mention. They're about as affiliated as the Mok'nathal are. I know there's the hesitation cause it's the core alliance race but this is the weird hand we've been dealt. I still think it's jarring that Kul Tiras of all nations was the one who opened this floodgate, considering Daelin, but whatever here we are. --Berenal (talk) 17:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm in agreement with Xporc on this one. Just because a tiny group allies with (not joins) the Horde (or Alliance, for that matter) doesn't mean their race should be listed in the infobox as a part of that faction. The Mok'nathal are a slightly special case, because while they're a small group they're also the only group of their race. There really aren't any unaffiliated Mok'nathal. One good counter-example would be that we don't have orcs in the Alliance infobox despite the existence of the Shadowmoon Exiles. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- The shadowmoon exiles aren't the same, though. They don't aid the Alliance/the Horde can interact with them as neutrals as well. IIRC there's a quest from the village you can pick up as Horde or Alliance. As for my comparison to the Mok'nathal, they're not explicitly stated to be Horde as a whole, only Rexxar. Keep in mind that Rexxar's father disowned him for even joining the Horde. They might be friendly to Horde players but that could symbolize an alliance/working with a familiar group. Not that they're members outside of a single character. --Berenal (talk) 19:14, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- There's also the Grimtotem allies in Stonetalon. Tbh, I would only add formal Horde organizations in the template, not affiliated. If the Leper Gnomes are part of the Forsaken then they should be in the infobox, if not no. Same with the Fogsail, if they are just friends but not part of the Horde then nothing. --Ryon21 (talk) 19:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- Which is fair but then we need to change the Alliance infobox to include a few other races as well. Renzik "The Shiv" and Beezil Linkspanner fit the criteria of the leper gnome inclusion for Goblins.--Berenal (talk) 21:30, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'd agree if there were more individuals. Renzik is clearly affiliated with the SI:7, but Beezil is a strange case. He is lore-wise part of the Steamwheedle, which are a neutral faction, and then he joins Fiona's caravan, which is also a neutral group. It seems he is only affiliated with Gilneas and the Alliance just for gameplay purposes, at least for now. So with only Renzik as a unique Alliance goblin I don't think is quite enough to add goblins in the Alliance template. Maybe in the future if things change or they add more Ally goblins :shrug2: --Ryon21 (talk) 22:08, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- While I agree entirely on that I still think that as they stand they do constitute an 'other races' mention. They're about as affiliated as the Mok'nathal are. I know there's the hesitation cause it's the core alliance race but this is the weird hand we've been dealt. I still think it's jarring that Kul Tiras of all nations was the one who opened this floodgate, considering Daelin, but whatever here we are. --Berenal (talk) 17:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Capital cities[]
Maybe we should add what the WoW racial page says are the capital cities of the jungle trolls, Darkspear Isle, and the Bilgewater goblins, Bilgewater Harbor. Also we may add the same for the Alliance. Gnomeregan for the gnomes and Gilneas City for the worgen, with this last one crossed out like Darnassus since it is abandoned. --Ryon21 (talk) 01:23, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Vulpera[]
Can somebody add the Vulpera info (Kiro to the leader list, the Vulpera to the allied race list, Vulpera Hideaway to allied cities) to the list?--X59 (talk) 01:36, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Missing leaders and the Warchief position[]
I noticed that Thrall, Rokhan, and Gazlowe were missing from the leader section and that Gallywix was still on the list. At same time I can't help but wonder if the three of them should be placed as secondary leaders as we don't know the Horde Council function yet. Like if it will have a central leader and what not.--X59 (talk) 03:30, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Technically the council is 8.3 content and hasn't happened yet Xporc (talk) 07:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- We probably shouldn't make major changes to faction infoboxes just based on a few datamined text strings from content that isn't even available on the PTR yet. --
DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 09:18, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- We probably shouldn't make major changes to faction infoboxes just based on a few datamined text strings from content that isn't even available on the PTR yet. --
Languages[]
Please add the Vulpera to the languages list and remove the Low Common because that language is considered non-canon. SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 17:55, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Notable factions / Horde Council[]
Please add the Zandalari Empire, the Mag'har Clans and the Voldunai to the notable factions list and the horde icon next to the horde council: Horde Council. Thanks SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 15:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Desolate Council[]
Please replace Lilian Voss with the 
Desolate Council. Thanks. SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 21:44, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Desolate Council added. I just used the generic undead icons, though, because five icons in a row is too much. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Please change the Undercity in the Horde capitals section to the Ruins of Lordaeron.[]
With the Undercity still blighted, the Ruins of Lordaeron are serving as the functioning capital of the Forsaken, and I request that the info-box information be updated to reflect that.--X59 (talk) 15:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- It appears in exactly one quest. I don't think we can really say with certainty that the ruins are "the functioning capital." -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I understand your point, though I've noticed that the Forsaken and Template:New_Horde pages do have the Ruins of Lordaeron in their respective capital sections. Which raises the question should they be changed, should it be changed here, or just left alone for now as the matter is discussed or something?--X59 (talk) 19:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- What would classify as a "functional capital"? Ruins of Lordaeron only has a portal network and that is it. No vendors, shops, etc. Ruins of Lordaeron could be considered a "Horde" territory, but a capital doesn't make sense. Those templates will likely need to be changed unless there was a discussion elsewhere explaining those. — Surafbrov T / C 19:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- The tricky thing is not all the current capitals actually have vendor services. Case in the point the Nightborne capital of Suramar City, where as other Horde capitals like Orgrimmar and Darkspear Isle do have vendors and stuff. So there is that lore argument that the Ruins of Lordaeron are the Forsaken capital, like how Suramar City is the Nightborne capital. However we do have Forsaken leaders like Lilian Voss* who basically said that the the Ruins are a temporary measure until the Undercity itself can be reclaimed. Which makes it murky from a lore stand point, at least in my eyes, because it's hard to argue a capital for a race when one of said races leaders is essentially saying it's note.--X59 (talk) 20:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I reread Forsaken campaign and the exact line for those curious is from
[60] The Remedy of Lordaeron, "It will take more time to clean up the lower reaches of the Undercity, but it's a fine start." Which shows that Voss isn't just reclaiming the Ruins of Lordaeron and calling it a day. She does intend on reclaiming the Undercity proper, which is why the lore capital stand point is now murky in my eyes over my prior belief that the ruins should be listed as the capital beforehand.--X59 (talk) 20:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I reread Forsaken campaign and the exact line for those curious is from
- The tricky thing is not all the current capitals actually have vendor services. Case in the point the Nightborne capital of Suramar City, where as other Horde capitals like Orgrimmar and Darkspear Isle do have vendors and stuff. So there is that lore argument that the Ruins of Lordaeron are the Forsaken capital, like how Suramar City is the Nightborne capital. However we do have Forsaken leaders like Lilian Voss* who basically said that the the Ruins are a temporary measure until the Undercity itself can be reclaimed. Which makes it murky from a lore stand point, at least in my eyes, because it's hard to argue a capital for a race when one of said races leaders is essentially saying it's note.--X59 (talk) 20:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- What would classify as a "functional capital"? Ruins of Lordaeron only has a portal network and that is it. No vendors, shops, etc. Ruins of Lordaeron could be considered a "Horde" territory, but a capital doesn't make sense. Those templates will likely need to be changed unless there was a discussion elsewhere explaining those. — Surafbrov T / C 19:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I understand your point, though I've noticed that the Forsaken and Template:New_Horde pages do have the Ruins of Lordaeron in their respective capital sections. Which raises the question should they be changed, should it be changed here, or just left alone for now as the matter is discussed or something?--X59 (talk) 19:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Dracthyr[]
Can someone add the dracthyr information
- Cindrethresh to the Leaders list
- Dracthyr to the Core races list
- Draconic to the Languages list
- Dark Talons to the Main factions list
Thanks SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 20:48, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Just in case this request got lost in the edits, I'm bumping it.--X59 (talk) 06:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Added. — Surafbrov T / C 14:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks SargerasDoomhammer Talk Contributions 00:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)