Talk:Warrior PvE guide

Keep it clean
This page was looking terrible. I've done massive editing and need to make a few points for future reference.


 * Please keep in mind that this is not your blog; Too many of the points sounded like whiney complaints more than proper advice.
 * Please read the whole of the Article before editing, and avoid repeating a point already made. Specifically, this is refering to reminding Warriors that they are expected to be Main-tanks. The point has been made.
 * This discussion page exists for a good reason. Do not add 'edits' to the main Article. If you want to make a point and are unsure of what to write, request attention here. The 'edits' lessen the over-all quality appearance of the page.

The session labeled "Things Non-Warriors want Warriors to know" needs to be removed. I'm sorry, but giving a tank advice about how to tank when you are not a tank is ridiculous. Call me crazy, but you don't know our spec, our tree, or what we need to do. You might be able to get an idea on the forums or similar places, or just by listening to what they say. However, I'm not telling you to pop your heals in a certain order, or open in a certain way. That is best left for a tank to advise another tank. It at minimum needs to be relabeled to "Things a Tank should keep in mind". On top of all of that, as the above comment was showing, it seems more like a bunch of whining rather than actual 'advice'. All tanks know to protect people. All tanks know that if a healer dies, they likely die to. Most, if not all, proper tanks know that they don't dps and that dps are required in a party. However, what a tank would get mad at is a dpser who thinks they don't have to watch the rage meter, or a healer that is back seat tanking. And again, I would argue that it needs to be removed as it will only invite further whining.Coolcat600 04:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In that instance, all the other 'things non-X want X to know' need to be removed too. A non healer telling a healer how to heal is just as stupid. But I disagree, in any case. Some of it could be moved to the 'warriors want new warriors to know', like 'don't tank with a 2hander', but a fair amount of it does belong on the page.


 * I personally have run into every one of the things mentioned..."lol u nub I not tank w dfensive i do more dps!!!!1111!!!1!!". Fighting a boss and never see any sunders appear, having to switch from cat to bear to pull three mobs off the healer while the warrior 'tanks' one trash mob with a big shiny two handed axe because he likes the big numbers on his screen, and having him tell me that druids can't tank...yeah.


 * No, I'm not saying that all the warriors are like this. Good tanks already know these things, and don't need the page. These pages are for people who don't know them already and are looking for what they need to know to not be That Guy.--Azaram 02:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, "good" tanks know this already, and its people who are going to look for "how not to be that guy" that are here. However, the ones that complain about being in defensive stance b/c of dps will never come to this page.  They are irreversibly set in their ways, and should not be tanks at all.  Referencing them here will result in a "but I already know how to tank" or similar.  As far as the "things a non-X want X to know" - yes, all should be removed.  I only caught this page because someone made an edit about whining about repair costs.  Which, for those who do not know, it is different for tanking warriors as they ALWAYS die, and many times other members (usually other warriors) hold off the mob long enough for the rest of the party to head for the hills.  This means that at least some of them are going to be able to survive.  But that is not my main reason.  The real reason is, if you know enough about the warrior class to be telling a tank what to do (or any class for that matter) you should have played that class long enough to do what you are talking about (not just read).  As such, it would fall under "warriors want new warriors to know".  Not only does this usually have more impact on the person (its mentoring instead of criticizing or whining) but it is usually more accurate.  A repair comment, coming from a warrior to another warrior saying something like "Yes, we have to repair our gear a lot, and it is usually very expensive, but also remember that we come first when it comes to any items that would help improve our ability as a tank over any and all other classes".  I'm just giving examples.  Honestly, the "non-x wants x to know" sections should be removed from -all- pages like this, as it only starts bickering between classes.Coolcat600 21:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * (Adjusted your indent to make the conversation flow better) The repair cost thing was me, after having spent an entire dungeon, in which a warrior did not die, having to listen to him neep about how much it cost him to repair. Yes, mentioning that it's expensive once is tolerable. Unnecessary, but not annoying. But during every pull, after every fight, every time there's any kind of a slowdown, no. And it's a common enough thing from warriors that I felt it needed to be mentioned. Tanking warriors do not always die. If things go profoundly pear-shaped, a good tank will try and hold things long enough to let the rest of the party escape, yes. I do that myself. But tank =/= dead. I don't play a warrior, true. But I do play a tank, since warriors are not the only tanks. So I do know a fair amount about it. I ended up on this page looking for information on how to be better at it, because there is always someone better than you (generic 'you', not Coolcat600) who can pass on tips.


 * The non-x sections should not be removed, as unless the X class's player has played other classes, they do not necessarily know these things, and in an intelligent person, will cause them to think about them rather than just dismiss it with 'they don't know what they're talking about', because they DO know their own class. They are valuable insights as to how other classes see theirs, especially for a new character. --Azaram 10:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The session labeled "Things Non-Warriors want Warriors to know" needs to be removed. I'm sorry, but giving a tank advice about how to tank when you are not a tank is ridiculous.  Call me crazy, but you don't know our spec, our tree, or what we need to do.


 * This type of attitude is exactly why I added the statement, "be humble," in that section. I wish I understood the cause of the unbelievable narcissism that seems to have developed among Warriors recently, although I suspect I already know; the Arena.  So you've discovered you're the God class among point-blank twitch griefers; congratulations, guys.  Do the rest of us a favour; stay in the Arena.  We'll ask either a Paladin or Druid to tank, will still get effective tanking from them, and won't have to put up with the attitude.


 * Petrus4 05:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Guys you really need to work harder at this page. It is still too clumsy and contains some wrong statements here and there.
 * I would like to talk about the "things non-warriors want warriors to know" section too. In fact, I loled when reading you guys' comment. The reason is, some of the people here and some of those who edited that section completely misinterpreted the meaning of that title and the function of that section. It is not a section about how the non-tank members of a group can teach the tank how to tank. It is a section about things that other group members might want a warrior to do to make their life easier. For example, those lines about you should use sunder armor, you should be in defensive stance, you should use healthstone, potion, etc, should all be crossed out. On the other hand, "Do not become overly aggressive. Don't go rushing into battle whenever you see a mob. Let casters recover mana and allow for rebuffs. You can't last long if healers and damage dealers are tapped out and can't recover while in combat." is what exactly something a warrior tank may forget easily, and apparently won't harm his tanking, but helps the mana users a lot if he is more careful at this.
 * Go check the similar pages of other classes. They all have similar section, not only warrior. WakemanCK 07:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, cleaned up that section. Guys, please make sure you know what the function of that section is before adding new things there! WakemanCK 10:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Too much wikification
Somebody wikified this page hardcore to the point where the amount of links is almost distracting. I'll try to roll it back a bit, but I probably won't do all of it, and any help would be appreciated. Wikify on what this should look like, however every word that could be linked should not be linked. Generally, only the first occurrence of that word should be linked. 15:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Boo.
The old name was better. --Azaram (talk) 10:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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''Once again, this isn't a good guide. It's just a general guide to group role as a tank. I sent you one of these about priests. You really need to look at all of these and decide if they're actually class guides or just a guide to a role. Because, not all warriors tank, like it says, and there's nothing here to help a warrior that isn't one.''

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as for the last totem part...GoA doesnt exist anymore