User talk:Goldark/Archive

Archive of older messages from User_talk:Goldark

Fantastic job on the Class pages.
You made some excellent revisions, and did a great job on the Warrior and Mage pages! -- AlexanderYoshi

Starting a class template.
Looks really good. Nice usage of the horde/alliance icons too.

-- AlexanderYoshi 15:33, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Starting a Class template
I like the Starting a Class template also - I'll try to work the Notable Early Quests section and other changes into my Starting a Warlock guide. -- Jat850

Class page
Thanks Goldark, I directly linked the images now and it seems to work. Still not 100% sure i'm satisfied with the layout right now, feel free to fix it up or point out more suggestions. -- Jat850 16:51, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Final class page layout changes
Perfect, I like it much better now too. Got the left-alignment in there, and put the horde/alliance icons each in their own column. Thanks for the help!

Also, going to delete the editor's notes from that page now. -- Jat850 16:54, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Great job! -- Goldark 16:59, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Thanks for sorting that list!
Much appreciated! -- AlexanderYoshi 17:57, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

I confess to using the evil M$ monster - Excel made it a quick job :) -- Goldark 18:03, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Re: spell footers
Good to know Goldark, I'll start adding them to my spell description pages. I almost got them finished last night, but I was too tired and had to work those morning. -- Jat850 10:13, 22 Nov 2004 (EST)

Re : Quests templates
Instances can't really be done this way, trust me i would have done it...

Re : Re : quest templates
Will be created soon ;)

Re: Class Pages
Sure, though if there's one suggestion I'd like to make wrt your template, I think the 'Category: ' page should just be copied verbatim into the 'Also see' section of the Starting a Class template. Since the section is something of an appendix, it makes sense to just put the information there. I can't see there being that many 'Also see' topics about any class, even in the late game, that it would really overpower the rest of the page assuming this section was well maintaned and organized down the road. -- Kow

I did the "See Also" stuff before I knew anything about categories :) Your right in that there's no need to list the seperate pages - I think its best just to give a link to the category page. The beauty of that is the category pages are automatically updated as new class articles are added to the system, so the whole thing is all just automated -- Goldark 17:02, 22 Nov 2004 (EST)

Using the Category pages for links sounds reasonable to me. -- AlexanderYoshi 17:27, 22 Nov 2004 (EST)

Templates
They are looking good man. Very complete. :-) --AlexanderYoshi 14:02, 25 Nov 2004 (EST)

Hunter Pages discussion
After rethinking the subject of Talk:Hunter_Abilities_Level_8, I finally stumbled, literally, upon the answer to my dilemma. I went back into the Template Index and removed the default link reference in the Name column of the Hunter table rows... Duh-huh! Now I can link to the actual page in that column position (compile-time) and send the link anywhere I wish it to go. I should have figured this out sooner but I have been sleeping less than usual, even for me. I was really tired when I started the redirection campaign... ;)

And, I figured out how to open redirector pages. When you use them, there is the small text just underneath the that informs one of the redirection and the redirection source. Click on the redirector page name there and you can open that page for editing. I guess you've known this all along, or there may be a less convoluted way to go about it. Be that as it may, I couldn't get to a redirector page at all until I tried the noted methodology just a few minutes ago. -- Arath 18:57, 27 Nov 2004 (EST)

Good Morning
We've got to stop meeting like this before my wife gets suspicious... roflmao

Seriously, after figuring out the flow of documentation we discussed (see above Hunter Pages discussion entry) the editing has begun to go quite a bit faster. How do you like the format of the pages so far? Are they aesthetically pleasing and in conformance with the templating plans you guys are establishing? -- Arath 07:23, 28 Nov 2004 (EST)

Aye, I sometimes forget about others being scattered around the world as we do these things. Isn't technology a world village making tool? Of course, I'm glad about that personally... ;). Congratulations on getting your alpha key -- you're gonna LOVE WoW, trust me. Although I only played the two weeks or so of Open Beta, it was still one of the best games I've ever played. I'm just waiting now for my retail version to get here between now and the 30th.


 * I will get this done. I thought about it a couple of hours ago but didn't know if I should take on the mnatle of making that overreaching a change before discussing it with one of the admin. Your suggestion makes perfect sense, though, and will cut down on the signal/noise ratio in the Category:Hunters, as you say. And yes, the Hunter gets many abilities so it was not overly simple to devise a methodology of displaying them in an intuitive manner.
 * Very cool. I had noticed some things being referenced that way, but didn't stop long enough to actually figure out that it was a sorting mechanism.
 * Your're talking here about the main index table on the actual Hunter Abilities page, no? If so, I don't follow your logic as there is already a level indicated as to when these abilities are earned (i.e., Hunter Abilities Level X). If you are talking about he tables on the individual Abilities pages, there already is a column for Rank. Please explain further what you're getting at here. -- Arath 08:13, 28 Nov 2004 (EST)

Category discussion
I'm sure you've probably noticed: I got the Hunter Abilities linked in finally and will move and split all pages/abilities as discussed.

Concerning adding a Rank column to the Abilities Tables such as you outline: sure, I can do that; I will get that done asap. Sorry I couldn't visualize earlier what you meant. That will give us a cleaner Name column. It will also tend to make the information nicer looking (format wise) and more useful at-a-glance. -- Arath 08:52, 28 Nov 2004 (EST)

Rank column discussion
That Abilities Table layout looks fine, just as you outlined in User talk:Arath. The problem I seem to be having at the moment is getting my table row templates to accept a 7th column. I was just on the Wikipedia:Help pages looking for why that would be so. If you could find time to look at the Hunter table row templates and see what the matter might be, I would appreciate it.

As soon as I get if figured out though, I will be redoing all the Abilities tables to include the Rank column. I also need, at some point, to add a Cost column, but I just haven't gotten around to looking the cost of individual training up just yet. I didn't realize when I first hired on, so to speak, that there was so much work involved in maintaining this sort of document collection. I'm up to the task, it just took me by surprise the sheer volume of pages needing to be created for each class... ;) -- Arath 09:54, 28 Nov 2004 (EST)

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There's a tonne of stuff to do - but you don't have to do it all yourself, its a community effort :) -- Goldark 09:57, 28 Nov 2004 (EST)

Generic Template feedback?
After working with the generic template for a little bit, do you feel it's worth it to update all our old entries to the generic one? It really does seem to make most of it - minus the cost table stuff - easier to work with. Snorelax 08:11, 29 Nov 2004 (EST)

Yep I think it is worth it, although I don't see it as a top priority. The only thing I don't plan to change to using templates at the moment are the Rogue finishing moves, as these are a bit more complex (e.g. see Eviscerate). If you've any good ideas for that let me know. Luckily there are only a handful of them anyway. Currently going to try to get all the rogue abilities and talents finished off, which is gonna take a while. -- Goldark 08:17, 29 Nov 2004 (EST)

Class Template suggestion
In addition to PvE and PvP sections, how about Solo and Group? Let Raid and Battleground stuff go into those. I'm all for doing the Druid Tactics page that way

--Quixotic 12:50, 1 Dec 2004 (EST)

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You're absolutely right, Solo and Group tactics will vary hugely. They'll also depend on whether its PvE or PvP, so having sub-categories under both PvE and PvP for Solo,Group and Raid tactics could work well. I do think you need to keep Raids seperated out from Group as the scale is so much larger. Battleground tactics will probably not differ much from generic PvP so they can probably merge into the solo/group/raid sections, depending on the numbers involved. Give it a go, see how it looks best to you and you or others can always adapt as it builds up. I know v little about druids so look forward to seeing something :) -- Goldark 14:04, 1 Dec 2004 (EST)

Regarding House Forsaken...

I think he just messed up. No punishment seems nessecary. -- AlexanderYoshi 12:07, 14 Dec 2004 (EST)

Tamplates
Goldark, I'm making an absolute MESS of the Templates page. Sorry! I collapsed all my commentage down a bit. I'm collecting opinions on the table I'm using for the mage spells vs the one used on the Single Spell Template. I don't like Snorelax's "GenericTable" Templates because it fuses the rows, and you can't call Templates within a Template, so instead of I have to put 6&nbsp39 Bleagh. All elegance introduced by a table template goes right out the window when I have to type an html escape char to make things look neat. What do you think, since you're paying attention to standardization? Uh, you can answer here or my space if you'd like. I'll check both. Regards, --RoJ

Cast a spell based on target's class
Heya, not here to raise a ruckus or anything. But if the "Cast a spell based on target's class" was derived from the code I posted on VN ( http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=80080604 ), it'd be nice to get a nod in the comment. If you got it elsewhere then no biggie. Just looks a lot like my script.

Thanks,

-Selar-

I got it from the cosmosui.org forums, from a post Sarf made. If you've got something that's better feel free to stick it in the FAQ and replace the current one and add a credit note. Similarly if you've any other useful little macros that lots of people are likely to want :) -- Goldark 07:59, 19 Dec 2004 (EST)

Ah, ok. Nah, mine's pretty much the same so I'll just leave the one that's there. -- Selar

Thanks
Yeah I hope to be able to contribute more. I have some experience with Wikimedia syntax due to Wikipedia editing. Speaking of which, I think we can import a lot of the information there directly over (e.g. their article on Kalimdor could be merged into ours). --Bendyr 17:42, 14 Jan 2005 (EST)