Talk:Stratholme (original)

Headquarters
"Stratholme is now the headquaters of the Scourge in Lordaeron. " -That seems arguable at best. Does this title not seem more fitting for Naxxramas? --Pure.Wasted 17:05, 2 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Yeah, definetly Naxxramas is the "headquarters", seeing as how Kel'Thuzad (Arthas' 2nd in command) resides there. --TM41 23:15, 11 November 2006 (EST)


 * What about hte Frozen Crown? After all, thats where the Lich King himself resides. -- Demongo55 17:11, 16 December 2006 (EST)


 * Frozen...Crown...honey, you're mixing the two tings up :) --Maibe 18:33, 16 December 2006 (EST)

"...the base of key oil refineries..."
Um, this seems a tad strange. I believe refining and using oil is generally a modern development and not something used in a fantasy/medieval setting. Where did this information come from? -- Montag 01:29, 26 March 2006 (EST)


 * You never played WC2, did you? --Adonzo 02:46, 30 March 2006 (EST)


 * You're right, you're right. I suppose it's not the first anachronistic thing in the Warcraft series, though. -- Montag 16:13, 31 March 2006 (EST)

Oil refineries were built out in open water. They weren't acually INSIDE the city. The oil was only used in shipbuilding(or at least that's all we've been led to believe from WCII.)


 * Its one of the ingredients in Phlogiston production, which is the main fuel in most steam-powered/gas powered technology..Baggins 17:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The Restless Souls
I'm pretty sure the quest "The Restless Souls (Part 2)" can only be completed in Living side of Stratholme (no one ever goes to the left after entering undead). If anyone else can confirm this, please edit the info on the main page. --vinaur 17:46, 20 December 2006 (EDT)
 * Good catch, the quests needed a little clarifcation on which sides you could do what. It might almost be worth while to have a nuetral section for quests.--Stfrn 18:42, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Lockpicking
the page mentions needing lockpicking 275 to get through the eastwall gate, but mine is at 295 and the gate is still red to me. was it changed in a more recent update?

Blood Elf Quest
The quest chain states two interesting facts about the scarlet bastion: 1.) The original name of the Scarlet bastion is the 'Alonsus Chapel',where Alonsus Faol founded the Knights of the Silver Hand.2.) The reason that it isn't burning like the rest of the city, humor aside, is because of an 'eternal flame' that protects it. Can someone add these? The layout makes no scence to me...--Sandwichman2448 19:04, 19 March 2007 (EDT)


 * 1.) Even if the trainers DO say that little chapel near the back entrance is the scarlet bastion, they not only lie, but also think their trainees very very stupid. The little chapel was called alonsus chapel all along, I tihnk it's even said in the quest for Aurrius, who sits in it, praying, hoping for players to help him getting a little medallion from the bastion so he can face Rivendare. But seriously...bloodknights aren't true paladins, so, how should they know the basics...heck, why should anyone (at least on an RP server) with a little bit of reason HELP them condemn the city...--Maibe 11:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Just because they've obtained their power through force doesn't mean that they're ignorant of the ways of the Light. Before becoming blood elves, high elves have been paladins and some worshipped the Light. It's quite logical that their knowledge of the Light has been carried over, and although may not be taught to such an extent to new paladins, they still know of it. Pzychotix 11:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * They may KNOW...but they ignore it...--Maibe 11:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To do the quest, blood elves have to go to the small chapel near the back entrance - to which the quest correctly refers to as the Alonsus Chapel. You probably misunderstood something there, as the Scarlet Bastion hasn't anything to do with this quest. As far as I know, though, the Bastion has once been the Cathedral of Stratholme, before it was fortified by the Crimson Legion during the Crusade's attack against the Scourge forces there. Tulon 20:15 8 June 2007

No More Strat
People don't do Strat anymore, I can't get a group for this place to save my life! Even my guild turns me down in when I ask for a Strat group. Hordesupporter 00:15, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

I did it on Frandar last week for my epic mount quest. -- 16:06, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

The last group I was with decided to leave after *1* wipe, the wipe occured because the healer backed up into the tunnel where gates come down and he got killed by mutant rats. Hordesupporter 22:23, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Fras Siabi and Afrasiabi
Has any noticed the similarity in names between that guy in SW (I think hes the lvl 72 on the horse) on this guy Fras Siabi? (Mr.X8 00:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC))
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think both names are a reference to a blizzard employee--Maibe 11:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Changes
Shouldn't we change the Quest section of the article to something like this?

ShiggyWiiB (talk) 01:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Banners
The Trivia section says that the only place you see Lorderon banners is near the unused raid portal, but this isn't true. You see quite a lot of Lorderon banners with a red L in the Scarlet Bastion area, both inside and outside of it.


 * The one with the red is the Scarlet Crusade's symbol, not that of Lordaeron. The flag of Lordaeron is specifically the blue one; that said, this tunnel isn't the only place you find them, as there's at least two in one of the trapped tunnels in the Gauntlet. As well, please sign your comments using the four tilde. Scieran (talk) 15:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Additional Information Inaccuracy
Removed the following article: "There has also been some controversy over the current state of Stratholme. Sense, Naxxramas used to be floating above it and had Kel'Thuzad commanding and constantly dumping the plague over the plaguelands, now it has moved to Northrend. So this leaves the question: With the Argent Dawn and the Scarlet Crusade fighting the undead cant they clense the plaguelands? There is a druid and a shaman (Rayne and Rimblat Earthshatter) in Light's Hope Chapel in the Eastern Plaguelands who have proven that the land can be cured and now that Naxxramas has moved some people think that the plaguelands wont be the plaguelands for much longer.

Removed on the basis that the Plaguelands were originally created due to the spread of the plague by grain distributed throughout the lands of Lordaeron by the Cult of the Damned. The plague itself has been maintained by the many plague cauldrons, and the remaining forces of the Cult of the Damned (within both Stratholme and especially the Scholomance), stationed throughout the plaguelands. Also, to be noted, Naxxramas itself did not appear over Stratholme until much after Lordaeron had been destroyed by the plague. While it is possible Naxxramas played a role in the plaguelands continued scourging, it by no means was the single or predominant reason. --Aconite Vyper (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Arthas
Ironic as it may sound, Arthas' massacre of the inhabitants of Stratholme may have been responsible for there being an Azeroth for us to play in. Of course there may have been unforseen events that might have affected the following, but it seems to me that if it weren't for that culling, which marked the start of his descent into evil, the Burning Legion and Scourge would together have wiped out the world of Warcraft. Think about what would have happened if he had been talked out of it by Jaina and Uther:


 * 1) Arthas decides to leave the city, waiting until the people have turned undead before going in.
 * 2) As a result he never meets Mal'Ganis and never goes to Northrend.
 * 3) So he never finds Frostmourne or becomes corrupted.
 * 4) However his sparing of Stratholme results in more reinforcements for the Scourge, so that Lordaeron falls regardless.
 * 5) Eventually Archimonde is summoned into Azeroth and leaves for Kalimdor.
 * 6) Since Arthas was not corrupted, he does not encounter Illidan in Felwood. As a result Illidan doesn't know about the Skull of Gul'dan, risking giving a dangerous weapon into the Burning Legion's hands.
 * 7) It also means the Lich King has no way of betraying the Legion, and so he must continue to comply with them.
 * 8) Jaina, who ended up marrying Arthas, stays with him in what remains of Lordaeron. Or they may have fled to Stormwind. Either way there are no human reinforcements at the Battle of Mount Hyjal.
 * 9) The battle is lost and Archimonde consumes the power of Nordrassil.
 * 10) He goes on to utterly destroy the night elves, and then returns to finish off Lordaeron and ultimately the rest of Azeroth.
 * 11) In the meantime, Illidan still has the same power he has always had.
 * 12) He is unable to assault Icecrown, so the Lich King therefore does not lose any power.
 * 13) So the Forsaken never manage to split off, and there are many more Scourge forces to help the Burning Legion in the conquest of the world.

Thoughts anyone? 23:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I personally think something else. Okay,
 * 1) Arthas leaves the city, and the people become undead.
 * The Scourge does have more reinforcements, and the people of Lordaeron travel to Stormwind for safety.
 * Jaina marries Arthas.
 * The Humans don't travel to Kalimdor, and don't establish Theramore.
 * Stormwind's armies travel to Lordaeron, but see the Plaguelands established. Capital City, Dalaran and Quel'Thalas are intact.
 * The armies attack the Scourge and drive them out to Northrend, although the Plaguelands still stand.


 * 1) Illidan is not aware of the Skull of Gul'dan, and gives it to the Burning Legion.
 * 2) The Lich King is also loyal to the Legion.
 * 3) The Battle of Mount Hyjal (probably) never occured, and the Night Elves are still Immortal, and Teldrassil is not raised from Kalidar.
 * All this leades to Mannoroth not coming to Kalimdor and not spilling his blood.
 * Grom is Alive at the time of WoW, but the Orcs in Kalimdor are crippled, because of not getting more power from the Pit Lord's blood.

So, The Third war is the smallest conflict, and the Forsaken are not created. High elves are a healthy nation, and the Alliance is flourishing. On the other hand the New Horde is almost gone.

And the races in WoW would be: Humans and Orcs, Dwarves and Tauren, Gnomes and Trolls, High elves and Goblins. Draenei and Stonemaul Ogres.

Although equal, the Humans control all of Stormwind and greater Lordaeron, Quel'Thalas is High Elf controlled, Khaz'Modan is Dwarven and Gnomish, Kalimdor is ultimatley Night-Elven, but there are some Tauren, Troll, Orc, Goblin and Ogre nations to the south, and Northrend is Legion-Controlled. I hope someone sees this section and posts his version of the consequences. Your pal, Gebezis 08:45, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Purpose of the Raid Portal
One editor seems to be making the claim in the article that the raid portal near Slaughter Square is not the Naxxramas portal, based primarily on the idea that since Naxxramas is in the air, a portal is illogical. However, common sense dictates that since Naxxramas is internally referred to as StratholmeRaid, that this is indeed the original Naxxramas raid portal. Enetheru (talk) 19:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

North of Strat
I recently saw a youtube video north of here? Anyone know about this place? (Hallowseve15 (talk) 01:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC))

New Dungeon Finder Classification
I think the page should be reorganized to better conform to the new dungeon finder tool, which splits Stratholme into 2 different dungeons within the same instance: Main Gate, and Service Entrance, both 57-60. Particularly, which bosses are considered to belong to which section, and who is the end boss for each one? Or is there a difference at all besides where you start? This is a pretty popular page, so I wouldn't want to screw it up by making a bunch of changes that nobody likes. I also haven't done Strat very much with the dungeon finder so I don't have all the answers. At the very least I feel like there needs to be some kind of consensus on the details of what's what before anybody gets to work. Dr. Cheis (talk) 09:08, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no difference. The service gate provides an easier and faster way to do just the undead side if one has the key from the magistrate. It of course also allows for quick run outs, as the main gate is blocked off after you enter. 09:12, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just did a random dungeon for Stratholme at the main gate. We went off to the undead side, killed the Baron, and the dungeon wasn't over... we were supposed to go the other direction. Because of this, and the table on the dungeon finder page which lists the bosses for each entrance separately, I'm changing the page to specify the correct end bosses. Dr. Cheis (talk) 19:53, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Recent Changes
I noticed the the NPC list in this page was incomplete, mostly referencing only mobs on the the Scarlet Side of Stratholme. I've added a lot of other NPCs and encounters so I hope it's more complete now. I've also made the division between the Scarlet and Scourge sides a bit more distinct in the formatting. I'm kind of a newb at wiki-ing though, so although I tried to avoid making errors it wouldn't surprise me if there are any. (Also sorry for doing it in so many edits, but the page was simply too big for me to be able to manage editing the entire page at once and still remember what's what.) Just a heads-up that the page may need some style or form corrections, but I think overall it's in the best shape it's ever been in. Dr. Cheis (talk) 06:23, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

CoT speculation
I removed this bit in the CoT section:

"This would, according to the storyline, make it appear as though it is the players who were to blame for the downfall of Stratholme. "

The infinite dragonflight is trying to alter the past by preventing Arthas from purging the city. The players are there to stop them. What happens in CoS is in an alternate timeline that is, as far as I can tell, destroyed or at least made void by helping Arthas.

The players were never "to blame", they were never there in the first place. Arthas did purge the city by himself. Personalmountains (talk) 02:47, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Even in the original mission, there were other units helping Arthas. Why couldn't those random footmen, knights, and priests have been us instead? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:31, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Every time he asks those unwillingly to help purge the city, I leave. =P 05:48, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Player characters are part of "Arthas' army" during the Culling, only called "heroes" because they did most of the job, but still no name will be remembered (like the Taretha/Thrall brain washing by Erozion?)
 * 10:31, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I understand that Arthas did not single-handedly kill everyone in Stratholme and that he had people with him. My point is that the players were not part of those at that time. For example, as far as I can tell, the Draenei arrive in Azeroth at least five years after the culling, which means that as a Draenei, there is no way I could have been there. This is the reason we get the human illusion buff.
 * There are, I think, two possible counter arguments:
 * 1) Players were there; those that could not had the human illusion buff.
 * 2) Only the players of a race that could have been there participated in the culling, the others did not.
 * This falls under time-travel problems: is time linear, so that there has to be a point where the future does not exist yet, in which case the original culling could not have included the Draenei, or does the future always exist, in which case it is possible that the original culling included time-travelers.
 * The bottom line is, if you assume that there were two cullings, the original one and the one shown in CoS, then players did not participate in the first one. If they are the same event, then it is possible that Arthas fought alongside people that weren't even on the same planet.
 * I'm not sure what the lore says about time travel. Anyone knows?
 * Personalmountains (talk) 20:15, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * The lore says not to think too hard about it. And, ultimately, what does it change? Either way, Arthas fought alongside a bunch of Alliance troops to purge the city. Any discrepancies are smoothed out by the bronze dragonflight altering the memories of those involved so they think it went the way it was supposed to. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:27, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Read the War of Ancient Trilogy.
 * When we go throught Caverns of Time, we do the same as Krasus & Co, we "rewrite" the story line. That players were there during the first cleaning does not matter, the Second Culling becomes the only one that ever existed.
 * 20:29, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Anybody know what Stratholme will be like in Cata?
Is there any info about what Stratholme will be like in Cata? Rimor Conscientia (talk) 06:08, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * The instance will be split in two parts, one for the Undead side and for the Risen (previously Scarlet) side. The sides are now closed off by a gate. -- 09:33, August 28, 2010 (UTC)