Talk:World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King/Archive1

Data Mining?
Wouldn't the info on this, as well as especially the pictures, be considered Data Mined? Could be a problem there. Graptor 10:49, 21 April 2007 (EDT)


 * The pictures were not datamined they are just in our game files...but nvm


 * That's exactly the definition of Data mine. Pzychotix 02:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Expansion pack idea
Is somebody doing northrend expansion pack idea? I like reading this stuff and creating one about northrend could be actual. --Axell 10:15, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Since there are Northrend things and doodads in Expansion02 its pretty confirmed, but all we know is its Northrend and it is subject to change. --Gurluas 10:43, 18 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Thats why i call it 'just idea' :) Just an another fan fiction.. but i still like to read it. But after seeing things in Expansion2 and how you said.. its pretty confirmed so we could discuss it. --Axell 10:49, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Question
Wasn't Nagrand the first TBC item added to the game before the ExPack was released? If so, when was it added? This might be an interesting piece of information to add for comparing and contrasting. --Utahcarol 12:59, 18 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Going to find it out.. and yes.. the first item was from nagrand.

Well i found out that someone found nagrand in patch 1.10 It was in beginning of March so it was year before release of BC. I dont know if this is totally correct but this guy wrote it like yes. Hm so almost year before expansion. That could be beacuse blizz want to do an expansion every year (i read somewhere every 6 months.. but we know blizzard :D ). --Axell 13:23, 18 April 2007 (EDT)


 * A version of Hellfire and outland doodad graphics existed in the game long before patch 1.10 as well. Unfortunately many of those graphics were never used in the released version of Hellfire, or elsewhere in Outland. Including floating mushrooms, different kinds of red mushrooms (similar to the WC II style), floating pine trees, etc. Although some of the graphics were used, like the tower siege engine graphic, and tower with the floating top, and floating rocks in the sky.Baggins 13:53, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Northrend
Saintkill13,a person that makes exploration videos,has claimed a little while ago that he has found a way into Northrend.


 * I doubt that, someone would have noticed it in the files. 01:56, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Agree with Kirkburn.. It would be in files.. i checked them and found nothing. I bet he explored snowy place around frostwyrn lair in naxxramas. --Axell 09:13, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * What he means, Kirkburn is this. It's a clearly fake movie someone uploaded to a video-uploading site:



--  Shandris   talk  / contribs  18:36, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

With Arthas or without?
If this comes like second expansion, would you rather see it with Arthas or without Arthas? My opinion is that whole Northrend pack would lose its soul when they would do it without him. On The other side i think Artahs deserves far more powerfull encounter than players on level 80. Opinions? --Axell 09:34, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I think Blizzard will do it the same way as we now see them doing with TBC and Illidan. They'll release the expansion without Arthas, but will patch him in at a later point. [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  10:02, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * There might be enough zones and content to level to 90, 12 zones total. That is if the game assumes 1.7 levels per zone. As I recall, Arthas can't be confronted until players arre at least 90, according to the developers. Also consider they might open up more zones to main continents as well, still a need for Gilneas, at least. It would be cool if they added Kul Tiras and some of the other islands as well.Baggins 10:08, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Well.. wouldnt it be a little big jump from 70 to 90? Mainly because i saw people whining just about 60 to 70 and i cant imagine what will people do if theres gonna be jump from 70 to 90. I would like to see KulTiras too. However, not in Northrend expansion. Rather in Nazjatar (and Great sea) related expansion, but possible is everything and blizz can do a story involving KulTiras in some point with Northrend Exp. --Axell 10:29, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Well if one looks at Blizzard's early concept maps, the route to Northrend takes off from Undermine, with stops at Kul Tiras along the way Who knows they could still use that possibility.Baggins 10:56, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Possible.. It could be involved in the beginning like ehm.. Alliance plans an expedition to northrend.. bla bla bla... KulTiras will be a main harbor to alliance city in northrend - Valgard. Hundreds of possibiliteis --Axell 11:05, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * That map isn't proof in any way, since it's heavily outdated. Just look at the name of the night elven capital, which is still mentioned as 'Kalidar'. It has been Darnassus since open beta. [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  03:03, 20 April 2007 (EDT)


 * The map showing the route from Undermine to Northrend is extremely out dated. Regardless, I'm going to say Arthas will be in the expansion or patched in soon after. Yes he's "cool" but he's not too cool to die, and remember coolness =/= power. The cucumber 22:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

How can I acces "expansion02"?
I just became a public tester, loaded the patches and a model viewer, but it seems that the expansion02 file is not in the model viewer's file list? I am sorry if this sounds confusing or if my questions are silly, but I am really not good with this kind of stuff.... Regards, --Theron the Just 12:23, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * See official modelviewer forum, its easy. --Axell 12:26, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Erh....The forum seems to be bugged with me. When I try to open topics it says "Error blah blah blaah". Hopefully it will start to work with me, but...could you or someone else possibly tell me how to acces the files? Please? Regards, --Theron the Just 12:30, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Well its not working fine for me too, now. OK i try to explain. Turn modelviewer on. Click on 'Options' then 'Settings'. You have got there then MPQ archives order and files to load. Click on ADD and from your WOWTEST folder/ DATA add there patch.MPQ and patch-Engb (probably you have US). Restart it.. it should work. --Axell 12:37, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Thank you. The files are now in the list but I can't see the models when I click them... Regards, --Theron the Just 12:43, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * No idea sorry.. i dont have them for swords.. and part of shield.. but doodads are there --Axell 12:46, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Races and their Capitals
If there are new races included, What races would you suggest? And where would be their capital? In Northrend or in Old continents? Ideas.... --Axell 12:32, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * The Tuskarr, capital city named Kaskala. --  Shandris   talk / contribs  13:32, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * So you suggest northrend? --Axell 13:34, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Wouldn't Expansion ideas be a better article to discuss these kinda things? [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  03:15, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

There might not even BE a new race that is linked to Northrend...I mean, Metzen can think of anything now he can open Dark Portals to places he sees fit. He might even open up a portal at Northrend and let ebil tuskarr come out of it...--Pimmeh 04:49, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Listen now, i have a good idea of what the new races should be. Nagas and Murlocs are fine to be put in now, cos Nagas are allies to the Blood Elves and Murlocs are enemies to the Nagas so automaticly The Naga go with the Horde, and The Murlocs with the Alliance. And about the town of this guys...Well they both live in The Maelstrom so they can be put there like a begining teritory.


 * *A) Only the Coilfang Naga are allied with the Sunfury BE.


 * B) The Murlocs are not nesseserily enemies of Naga (maybe some are, but it seems that they are their slaves).
 * C) Why would they be added in a Northrend expansion?
 * D) The Maelstrom will most likely be the new Outland in a Maelstrom expansion, with Azhara or that leader of the Water Elementals (Neptulon the Tidehunter I think) as high-level bosses. Maybe even an Old God, or a near-complete body of an Old God (similar to C'Thun, that wasn't ACTUALLY C'Thun). Saimdusan 07:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont think naga or murlocks or anything that isent a hop skip and a wink away from a person will ever be added. It would be too much trouble for blizzard to redo everything for onme or 2 new races. There bodys arnt the right shape. I actualy think that any new races that arnt things we have already seen or basicly a huminoid wont be added. The tauren were cool yes but I think they were a problem because a lot of armor had to change for them. Each races arom is different yes, but pants for naga? wont work. July 2007, Cormundo

That map...
Sweet evil Jesus! That looks quite authentic. Then again, some fan might just be too good. We should know soon enough. Regards, --Theron the Just 22:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. It's entirely "too smooth" to be real, beyond the obvious "why would this be available already" argument. :) RobertM525 10:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't comprehend why so many people assume this is real. Look at the font, look at the outlines of the landscape and compare that to the map of Eastern Kingdoms / Kalimdor. You'll notice inconsistency. One giant leap from "authentic", at least. [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ  (ZEUS)  10:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps. We cannot know for sure as I said, but it is possible that it is some kind of early map. Regards, --Theron the Just 10:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * However, nothing explains why the map "flows" out onto the window in the lower left corner. All of Blizzard's map UIs have the map contained within the frame, and they do not just overflow outside their frame like that. Pzychotix 11:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As just said it would be an early map. We cannot make definitive pronouncements as to it's validity (hence the ambiguitity in the text), and note that Blizzard has already "teasered" us with those models "accidently" included in 2.1 The EK and Kalimdor maps are about 4, 5 years old - do you think the style won't have changed at all since then? It's far closer to the Outland map, perhaps unsurprisingly. Oh, and notice the addition of map note functionality, done in typical Blizzard minimalist style. 12:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As I'm on the topic, another couple of thoughts as to why it might not be fake:
 * Lack of detail in zones - if you were faking it, you wouldn't leave this out
 * Zone reads as "Sholazar Basin", whilst map shows all Northrend. Again, not an error you'd make if you were faking. This is the map that would show during an early beta when no zone maps are available.
 * Addition of city icons. Not present on curent maps - why would you add this if you're faking it?
 * 12:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Lack of detail in zones - if you were faking it, you wouldn't leave this out
 * ...or you are just too lazy (could also be interpret as "not bored enough") to add detail.
 * Zone reads as "Sholazar Basin", whilst map shows all Northrend. Again, not an error you'd make if you were faking. This is the map that would show during an early beta when no zone maps are available.
 * You would probably not make that error, but who says that the creator of this map wouldn't?
 * Addition of city icons. Not present on curent maps - why would you add this if you're faking it?
 * Just to make it more real.[[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  12:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think the idea of adding city and town icons in order to make a "fake" map "more real" is tenuous. This map would have taken a fairly long time to fake, so to make such basic errors (as with the other "errors") is, to me, non-sensical. Whoever made it got very specific details correct (such the sholazar being a jungle), along with most of the town locations. If you've got nearly every town location correct, why are some suddenly in a different position? We already know Blizz has leaked Northrend stuff, so why not this? (I realise this is a discussion that cannot have a definitive end - until Blizz reveal more, of course - but I love this type of investigative thing, so long may it continue!)  13:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The pic is quite close in layout to the sketched map on Northrend, but has enough differences from that for us to see that it's not a direct copy of that. That error in the lower left corner still bothers me, since I still haven't seen an explanation for that. The flavor pictures along the sides are also copied from the regular overview map (which aren't used in continent close ups). All in all, I'm actually pretty close to believing this is a real map, but the errors in the picture just strike me as odd. Pzychotix 13:38, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Compare town locs from Image:Northrend.JPG to Image:NorthrendInGame.jpg (more info is in the RPG LoM bok). I'm not sure what you mean by the bottom left error? The flavor pictures are indeed reused - but they're in both the EK and Kalimdor maps too. I agree that it's odd that they're the same - if this is real, I hope they're just placeholder art. 13:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the town locations are quite good.
 * The bottom left error: If you look at the picture, you'll notice that the map suddenly overflows onto the map frame itself. Now go in game and try and find a map that does that. It's very odd.
 * Concerning the flavor art, the bottom left picture (island forest) is the one used in the Azeroth overview map, but that picture changes into a ship when zooming into a continent overview. Of course, this could just be splitting hairs here. Pzychotix 14:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes: there is no doubt this was created by someone who thoroughly researched the lore first. I still see no reason to believe this map is real though. The "bottom left" mistake could just not be made by Blizzard, since those maps have a set width and height. They can't transgress their borders. Furthermore, it remains to be seen whether this map has taken a long time to create. Being an avid user of Photoshop myself, I know it would be possible for skilled users to pump up such a picture in an hour or so.


 * I'm willing to put my account at stake for this. If this turns out to be real, you guys can ban it indefinetely.[[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  17:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I am reminded of another game I used to play. Several months ago a seemingly too-well-done-not-to-be-authentic world map turned up on a bunch of FFXI sites. As it turned out, the map was indeed fake. The similarity to this situation is uncanny. I would bet money that this map is fake (and I wonder if it was even designed by the same person, many people continue to quit FFXI to come play WoW). --Toksyuryel 18:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The house icons appear to have been added to WoW in patch 2.1.0. Take that as you wish :P 20:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This map 'surfaced' when the PTR for Patch 2.1 was already up, so once again.. nothing concrete :P [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  21:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh =) I don't recall them on Outland, but it appears I'd forgotten their apparance on the Azeothian maps. 21:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Pwned ;p [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  09:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That hardly refutes all the other stuff I suggested :/ 17:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There are several good indications why this map is fanmade, and not real, besides for the border issues etc.


 * With major releases of WoW (1.0/2.0) mods gain "incompatibillity", a flag like "Out of Date" except this does not allow loading for any reason, of course the person could've changed the .toc but to me it makes no sense he would have addons at this stage of developement. ("Filter Notes:" are not a part of the Blizzard UI, so it's most likely an addon)
 * The Burning Crusade F&F Alpha was leaked pretty much the same day as it was released(Atleast the part where MVP's etc. got in), if anyone outside blizzard has the game, i would guess the game was in the hands of dataminers already.
 * Blizzard said at the last Blizzcon that maps weren't created until further in the developement cycle and until that point they used placeholder maps generated by the same code used to create minimaps, and all maps weren't even done in the beta-stages of TBC, i think it's safe to assume that this game haven't even reached the F&F Alpha yet, and as such there is no reason to believe they have created ingame maps yet.


 * Blizzard may be adding map notes as part of the UI. It's been requested enough! Seeing an image of something does not require that the code have been leaked, just that someone took a screenshot and showed a friend. This isn't a zone map, it's a world map, and something that won't change much during development for several reasons. Northrend has already been mapped once, so they have something to go off - whereas Outland was from scratch and would likely have changed far more during development. We also don't know when this map was made - the mappers could have started it during their BC cycle, so that Blizz would have a "development" map. 15:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Map notes as part of the UI aren't that much of a hassle - why would Blizzard wait with releasing them until the next expansion? If they were truly adding these map notes, I don't see why they weren't added in Patch 2.1 last week. Also, it is very unlikely that someone showed "his friend" the map since all Blizzard employees are bound by a NDA. Breaking this is certainly a ground to be fired immediately. Kirkburn, your faith in humanity is strong (which is a good thing, usually), but you really have to be more sceptic about these things. World of Warcraft has millions of fanboys. And I'm sure that there are at least a few out there who have mastered the art of image editing.


 * Lastly, regarding your comment "That hardly refutes all the other stuff I suggested".. well, of course the word "pwned" doesn't refute that, but read up man.. every relevant claim you've made has been shot down on the spot. [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  17:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * And I've also "shot down" reasons that have been put up for fakeness :/ If map notes were so easy, why weren't they in the original release! It's nonsensical to say "if they're in development, why weren't they added last week". NDAs are broken all the time, and often there's not much chance of tracing whoever broke it. That is, assuming this breaks an NDA, whereas it could be an "accidently on purpose" leak like the files in the test patch. I am sceptical of it, but nothing so far has either proved or disproved whether it's real. 20:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, map notes are easily added in by a mod. Why Blizzard hasn't chosen to start using those themselves.. I have no idea. I do know, however, that it makes no sense to let such trivial things wait until an expansion when there are still two or three patches to go until the second expansion will see the daylight. Furthermore, neither of us have given any concrete proof.. yes, you're right about that. My suggestion is that we'll leave it at that. The day that Blizzard proudly presents it s Northrend map, one of us is going to be able to write OWNED, BITCH here ;). Until that time, I rest my case. [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  20:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I may remind you guys... that the tbc alpha had the outland map already in the first release...
 * and some maps did not exist so they acted exactly like that map do (shows a character on another map in this case the continent map)

Confirmed fan-created - see Image:NorthrendInGame.jpg and User talk:Kanaru.  11:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Teehee! I win. [[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]] APΘLLΘ (ZEUS)  12:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * 12:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The Emerald Dream argument
I don't think the comparison to the Emerald Dream's status in the files in the game is an accurate one. Both Outland and the Emerald Dream had folders early in the game containing all their objects that were currently made, named "Dreaming" and "Outland" respectively. When Outland was given its expansion status, all of its new objects were put into a new folder named "Expansion01". The new content from the Howling Fjord follows the pattern of the new expansion content in Outland, being in a folder called "Expansion02". --Presea 15:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * However, the presence of the files being in there makes the possibility of Emerald Dream being the next expansion still plausible. Remember, nothing is set in stone. It's not our place to say what will and what won't happen. Instead, we're here to present the relevant information, and let the users make their own decisions on the matter. —Pzychotix (talk &middot; contr) 17:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There's maps in the game for something labeled "Emerald Dream" you can check it out with the Map viewer (or at least you could several months ago, havn't checked in awhile) and as for some of the Emerald Dream models that exist in the game I know several of them were used as part of the Druids Epic Flight Form quest line in one of the Barrow Dens in SE Moonglade, go there sometime. The Emerald Dream is starting to spill or bleed over into Azeroth down there. --Karye 15:08 July 31, 2007 (PST)

Confirmed?
where was this confirmed? any citations? --Gurluas 11:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * First confirmed by me on the WoW forums after seeing a thread about it, and I saw links to here in the thread and I confirmed it here.  K a n a r u   discussion   07:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Aye, as I posted at the end of the previous discussion :P Thanks for confirming btw. 06:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

"Fan-created"
"No such word...." I believe there is, it means created by a fan. A fan of World of Warcraft? Or a fan of the idea that there will be a Northrend-themed expansion? Or a fan of photoshopping? I'd simply say a WoW-player... But I think you can say "human-created", "animal-created", etc... so nothing gramatically wrong there I think. --  Shandris   talk / contribs  18:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

CoT
It is possible its a caverns of time instance, where maybe players HELP arthas defeat scourge forces (ala War3: RoC)

Source
Scource?-- 21:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you mean "Source?". Only thing I've seen are posts on www.mmo-champion.com.  Obviously nothing can be certain until this weekend, but rumors are rumors.  22:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you add a link to the main article?-- 23:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Rewritten
I retyped the first part of the article to avoid this "is"/"possibly" the title thing. It only shows actual information. <span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u  <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   03:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Link
Link to the page that I found it is at the bottom.

--Gloam 23:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. :) -- 00:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing the page I made and adding all the stub links and the other links. I need to learn how to edit a wiki properly :) --Gloam 00:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Rumor?
I wouldn't call it a rumor, it's solid proof. Genre is Add On, meaning the same as Expansion (of course this is literally translated from German) and this same thing happened with Burning Crusade. Everyone knew the name of the next expansion because of Vivendi's purchase of the copyright. Except BC's title was known long before it was announced, rather than days. Besides, why else would they copyright a name for World of WarCraft for? <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u  <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   01:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * What exactly is the function of the German Ratings Board USK? I'm not clear on that. --Raze 01:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's the German equivalent of the ESRB. <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u  <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   02:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You're being way too eager to call this a certainty, I've reworded it to say unofficial but likely. --Raze 02:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It is possible that they could have done it to fool us. 02:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah true. Just one of many possibilities. --Raze 02:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a legal copyright, which of course costs a lot of money. Why would they waste so much just to trick some people? <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   02:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Because they will likely use that name in the future. 02:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's quite obvious they will use it for the upcoming expansion. There's a legal copyright, there's the website, and there's the Expansion02 files within WoW at the moment (which actually I think was removed because people noticed it, but it was there) <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   02:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

This is still rumor, and by no means 'official' 03:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Technically it is official. It's been officially copyrighted by the company and has been copyrighted as an "Add On", which is another way of saying "Expansion", and it has World of WarCraft in the name as well.  Definition of Rumor:  "a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts"  There is confirmation and certainty as to facts.  I showed many, as did many others.  <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   04:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Told ya. <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u  <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   17:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You sure did.... -- 18:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * So? The reason I made those changes were because it was official yet.  18:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Maelstrom?
This can be proved false with plenty of proof. I will mention it if I must. In fact, I'm removing it, it's just going to cause people to ponder over nothing. <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u  <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   02:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Into the Maelstrom?
There's more evidence that Wrath of the Lich King is going to be then next expansion then Into the Maelstrom. The only evidence of Into the Maelstrom is an anonymous tip sent in from someone calling themselves 'Blizz Guy'. 02:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt "Into the Maelstrom" will be used, since it is already part of an Xbox game named Falcone: Into The Maelstrom and the name of a movie, Into The Maelstrom. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 7:14 PM PDT 2 August 2007


 * A name like, "The Tides of Doom", or "Waves of Darkness" would be pretty cool. ~ Peregrine


 * "Tides of Darkness" and "Terror of the Tides" have already been done. "Night of the Naga"? "Waves of Doom"?
 * Or the cliche to end all cleches: "Azshara's Revenge!"-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 22:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

More Proof
As you all should know, "Not Found" means the page is not of existence, and "Forbidden" means that you are not allowed into that page, but it is of existence. If you haven't noticed already, there is already an existing page for the next expansion, similar to the Burning Crusade page.


 * TBC: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade
 * Wrath: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath

More proof that Wrath is the next expansion, not to mention there is already a copyright which should be sufficient evidence. Just like the patent for Burning Crusade from a couple years ago, it never changed. <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u  <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   02:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I will also mention that Burning Crusade had the copyright purchase shown to the public as well. That has never changed.  Why would Blizzard copyright it for no reason?  It would be a waste of money, which a normal company wouldn't do.  <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   03:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * So it is said that more than enough evidence is not enough. I will bet that that is the official name to be announced at BlizzCon because of this evidence.  I don't know what else to say, it is the name of the expansion.  We know it's the name, but what is in the game is what we don't know.  Why would it be different for any reason?  Is it just that you can't accept that the Lich King will be in WoW? <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   03:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * We think it is the name. All evidence shown, only says that there will be a Wrath of the Lich King expansion, not that it is the one being announced at BlizzCon '07.  03:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Why would it be a different expansion? Why would they copyright one that is going to be announced long in the future before one that is being announced in a few days, thus meaning if they don't copyright the name by the time it's announced someone could copyright it and they wouldn't be able to have that title?  Please, make some sense.  <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   03:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't disagree on any point except that the name is not a certainty until Blizzard says so. The article cannot state this as fact until then. --Raze 04:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They really did say it, because they purchased the copyright which is listed on the USK website. What is so uncertain?  I have not the littlest of doubts in my mind.  Please share. <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   04:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, this has turned into a revert war. I'm leaving it alone. --Raze 05:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Not really, you're just trying too hard to prove me wrong. I don't like that people are trying to deny evidence even though it's all there. <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">[[Image:IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif|Dwarf Male]]<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   05:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Just because I buy the cadillac doesn't mean I'm driving the cadillac this summer. 05:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The whole debate is ridiculous regardless. -- 05:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

The real issue is that it's basically policy here to say things are not "official" until it is actually officially announced. Original research is nice and all, and the fact are overwhelmingly in favor of it being the next expansion, but until it's directly announced as such, we can't say it is. —Pzychotix (talk &middot; contr) 00:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I thought that this would have been obvious, but apparently the USK leak can be seen as the equivalent of an offical announcement. --Raze 01:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * What irks me at the moment is the fact that they would file it so close to the announcement (7/28/07). I don't know much about trademarks, but it just seems like it's cutting it a little close. —Pzychotix (talk &middot; contr)  01:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I figure they wanted to keep it a secret until they make their big announcement, after having the Burning Crusade title spoiled weeks in advance. It's good business on their part because it keeps the level of hype up, making it big news on the day it happens. --Raze 02:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Leaked FAQ
A new "leaked faq" at WoW Insider. http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/01/leaked-faq-for-wotlk/ Pretty interesting stuff. --Droffats 20:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That's extremely fake. Based on grammar and phraseology it's clearly fan-made. --Raze 23:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * One of the more well-done fakes. Could you point out particluar items that you think make it clearly fan-made?
 * I posted the one copied from wowszene.de at World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King FAQ with the speculation tag at the top. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 6:46 PM PDT 2 August 2007


 * I recall Blizz faqs are more concise for one thing. Short answers to short questions. A lot of words in there would have been trimmed if it was done by a professional. Mistakes:


 * rune blade -> runeblade


 * We're currently exploring various options for how the death knight will play and the types of abilities at its disposal -> their disposal.


 * The death knight combines martial prowess with dark, necromantic energies. Players might be familiar with the death knight from previously released Warcraft games -- most recently, in the campaigns for Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and the Frozen Throne expansion, the former paladin Arthas became a death knight and wreaked havoc across Azeroth and Northrend before fusing with the spirit of Ner'zhul to become the Lich King. The death knight is the first hero class in World of Warcraft; once certain criteria are met, players will unlock the ability to create a new death knight character, which will begin play at a high experience level. We're currently exploring various options for how the death knight will play and the types of abilities at its disposal, and we'll be revealing more information about this new class as we get further along in development.


 * Doesn't this paragraph seem long-winded and untidy? --Raze 02:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow. At least the necromantic death knights were real enough. I may have to eat my words. --Raze 15:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * We'll see. I understand your skepticism, but sometimes pages are posted before they're finished going through the editing process just to see how they will fit and if the CSS and stuff is working right. The things you point out don't strongly indicate a fake, but they might hint at it.
 * If the expansion gets announced at BlizzCon, we'll know soon enough. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 10:38 AM PDT 3 Aug 2007


 * Um...it has been, see Main Page lol -- 17:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)