User talk:Coobra

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Faction Icons
I was wondering if you could make more faction icons like this one but for the main enemy faction of the expansion, currently 2 which have defined icons(since i don't know what the heck happened in the Burning crusade), the Scourge and the Twilight Hammer, just those 2--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The Main enemy factions only:

...Pictures too big if anybody knows how to make them smaller plz fix it...
 * --Ashbear160 (talk) 00:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not exactly sure why they would be needed... only reason Scryers and Aldor got them was because you could align yourself or be hostile with them. Whereas the Scourge and Twilight members would always be hostile, for the most part. 04:16, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you make them? It's annoying having to use neutral icons to represent the big bad factions of the expansion--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If someone will do this not forget the Illidari... (I never see a standard of the Burning Legion): Illibanner.jpg

After if you want to undertand what happened in "WoW: TBC" see War in Outland(Gabrirt (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC))

Hell you Coobra!
I and my friend adore you as a diety. "lying quietly in awe with my forehead against the floor". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Hmm... time for a sacrificial gnome. 07:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The coobra-god has spoken. I will make a Gnome and kill him in your name. Teonod

Thousand Needles
Did you want me to cite sources when adding that information? The revert button is usually reserved for vandals... Needle in a Haystack (talk) 07:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an unneeded comment and completely irrelevant. 07:54, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

heirloom shouder chants
can also use aldor/scryer chants on heirloom shoulders —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * No clue, probably not. 21:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Quick question, sorry to bother you.
Would you mind me using your charcter page for your Night Elf Hunter as a template for my own character in game, I'm not a RPer but I like creative writing and would like permission to both use the page as a template and the permission to add the page in general.

Many thanks --Paladin-General of Stormwind 11:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't mind. 21:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Frontal view
Hello! I've seen the better image requests. I can take another one for Sergeant Houser without problems, but Alyssa Blaye and Travist Bosk (as well as Eldin Partridge) are close facing the practice dummies, and I think it will be difficult to obtain a better image. Anyhow, I'll try. Bye :) --Forco (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I knew there had to be reason. If you can get better shots, thank you, if it's not possible go ahead and remove the cleanup tag and state in the edit summary something like, "not possible". 07:53, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Done for Sergeant Houser; in the file page I still see the old image, while in the NPC's page I see the new one, and I don't understand why. For the other three, I think that's the better I can do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * It does that occasionally. 16:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Categories
Hello! I have just a question: after the removal of many characters from wow, from their pages have been removed all the categories, like in this case. I have a doubt: in the case of Hydraxis have been removed the quest givers category (and that's fine, because he gives no more quests), the azshara NPCs category (also correct, he's no more present in azshara) and also the water elementals category. This one left me puzzled, because he's still a water elemental, even if he's no more present in-game. It would be like removing, for example, Oakwidow from the night elf category because she's not present in-game, or not? The same with Bale, and so on... --Forco (talk) 16:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I will refer you to Forum:NPCs removed from game. 22:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Mmm, ok. It doesn't convince me, but it doesn't matter. If the decision was that one, for me it's fine. Thanks :) --Forco (talk) 23:07, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Image problems
I tried to update a photo and for some reason i ended up with the older version and not the new one. The Alchemic Warrior of Travels (talk) 22:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That happens occasionally. It will fix itself in time. 22:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. Well anyways. I was putting some updated photos and seen that before. The Alchemic Warrior of Travels (talk) 22:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Ironforge Airport map
You tagged File:Ironforge-Airport.jpg as being a policy violation, but left no explanation that I could find. What is the problem? —MJBurrage(T•C) 18:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * While I know the place is easily accessible by flying mount and a specific flight path, I believe that detailing the path that players can take that involved exploiting the world environment is still against our policy. That is why it's marked as a possible violation and not just deleted. 23:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * How is it an exploit if anyone can walk the path shown? No add-ons, macros, etc. are required, just jumping over obstacles. —MJBurrage(T•C) 23:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * To even start the path one would have to exploit the starting point.... the rest of it may require no effort, but the beginning does. 23:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * How is jumping forward, and then jumping forward again from where you landed an exploit? —MJBurrage(T•C) 23:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It was an exploit prior to the cataclysm and an exploit now. I'm not going to argue about this. Nothing has changed. 23:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not trying to be argumentative, I really don't see how it is an exploit. Did Blizzard state this was an exploit? How is it any different than getting to Foggy MacKreel? —MJBurrage(T•C) 23:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Cause he was intended to get to. Jumping down and climbing a mountain are two different things. 23:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Where does it say that jumping in the mountains is considered an exploit? (real question, again not trying to be argumentative) —MJBurrage(T•C) 23:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Unused files
Since you seem to be the person who handles this most, please let me know and my apologies if there are any I left behind. Maybe some day I will be experienced enough and seek admin rights so I can clean up after myself. (Or I could just not be so messy in the future.) Thanks. --Bellocois (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, I placed that template just to keep track of the ones that weren't being link to on your page or their own articles. If you do find an image not being used just mark it for speedydelete. =) 22:01, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
I've always loved the work of the major contributors and I just want to say "thank you" for helping me clean up the articles I've been adding over the past week. I've just been snapping screenshots of every NPC I come across and slowly getting around to adding them as time permits. I always go back and look at the fixes you put in for me and it helps me learn about style and "where stuff goes." Hopefully, one of these days, I'll have a good enough hang of this that I won't leave you so much work to do. Anyways, thanks again for your patience and work. John  Yithnal (talk) 16:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy to help. =) 03:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Count link
Just pointing out, the Count link on your user page links to the "evil wiki who shall not here be named"

Have bright sun shining day!

08:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * heh, forgot about that. Thank you. 03:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

How do you do Warcraft 2 screenshots without crosshatching on minimap?
Hi, I saw your File:Beetle_Island.jpg (compare to one of my screenshots: img220.imageshack.us/img220/4884/dareregionofthechanneli.png and was wondering, how do you do Warcraft 2 screenshots of the minimap without the crosshatching/fine grid put over on the minimap of areas not currently visible to make them darker?

Even when I use the cheat (press enter type 'showpath' then enter again, that one) it just displays all of the map and stuff that isn't currently being 'seen' by one of your people is greyed out/crosshatched out on the minimap. So not sure how you took that screenshot? Thanks for any info :)

Might be good to post the info on the wiki for others so it's common knowledge, especially if you know how to do the same for the other games like Warcraft 1/3 etc! I have only just been trying them out cos I was curious about the background story behind world of warcraft --Kittymew (talk) 12:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been a long time since I uploaded that... I don't even know if I copied it from a badly named file or from battle.net. Either way, I didn't personally take the image. 04:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Scout Galiaan and friends
I had put the Cataclysm shots in separate locations so the old ones would still be accessible. I can see the logic of what you did since the old version is in the file history, but it still seems more logical to have something we can link directly to and say "This is what the character looked like before Cataclysm." Not that the specifics of Named Guard #439's page matter in the long run, but still. --Bellocois (talk) 03:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If it was a completely new model or completely different look, then I'd say yes, keep an old image to see, but when the only difference is they added a tabard... that's not enough to keep both files. The image history can be viewed if users want to see them without the tabard. 03:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

While I'm here, you tagged some images for deletion that are linked from my user page as being part of my (extended) to-do list. I did upload a bunch recently that I didn't create pages for or link to as needing pages, but I plan to remedy that in the next 24 hours or so. --Bellocois (talk) 03:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh no no, that is not the speedy delete tag. That is simply an unused image marker. I use it to keep track of images that are currently not being used in articles. It's also another way for users to see if articles are needed, by seeing there's an image in need of an article. I would never delete those. 03:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired
Hey, just wanted to get your opinion on Talk:Archbishop Benedictus about whether or not the "he staged a coup" note from patch 1.4.1 should be considered lore or not. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding my 2 cents. Coobra could you vote in Category talk:Patch templates, regarding the change of icon in Cataclysm Patch templates. I would be very grateful:) 22:17, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Where are they now?
Just hit upon the Where are they now? section of your user site, and it's the most comprehensive of its type so far. I've posted my own MIA lists on the usual forums before, and had been thinking of compiling one myself. In the meantime, I got a response from a GM ticket regarding another MIA character, Arko'narin. — Deepred (talk) 04:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh nice =). Did you get a screenshot of the conversation to be used as a reference in case anyone contests it? 05:03, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed I did. I can upload it on request. — Deepred (talk) 06:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. 06:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

You could probably put this in the main space under an appropriate title, whatever that may be. It has the potential to draw significant attention in the way Horde bias unintentionally did when I created it. Actually, now that I mention that page, it's probably best that you don't move it, let alone let the forums near it. (Kidding. Sort of! :-P) --Bellocois (talk) 08:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh.. well I started off wanting to do this during the beta... but after getting into finally doing it... I saw that they were still leaving many NPCs out (to be added later) and with the phasing, I wouldn't be able to just fly through zones looking for specific things.. I'd have to quest through the zones. But new toons come after older toons... so eventually I'll get back to this. I'd just prefer to being able to control it on my userspace, rather than letting it run rampant like Horde/Alliance bias =P. 08:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

User Templates (?)
Not sure if I titled the headline right or not. However I was wondering where I would be able to find more of the objects. I've forgotten the URL and haven't been able to find it on WoWPedia --Alindaloran (talk) 10:52, January 12, 2010
 * You can look at all "User*" templates [ here] — EGingell TC 09:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Admiral Nightwing
I said in the summary he needed to be renamed to Admiral Nightwind. Hallowseve (talk) 13:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Admiral Nightwind already existed, hence it's deletion. 21:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Class thing

 * It has to be consistent with playable races like the night elves. They have the WoW classes at the top.--Atomos (talk) 01:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * And Highborne elves are actually playable so they should count.--Atomos (talk) 01:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Tinkering (Engineering)
I am moved to mirth... having had the page I created turned into a redirect, then deleted to make way for the page it was directing to. I guess I am confirmed in my guess as to the correctness of my choice of name. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Aye. I didn't realize Tinkering (Engineering) had also just been made, thought Tinkering (engineering) was a duplicate, but it is the correct name.  23:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ayup. Someone ELSE had made Tinkering (Engineering) by the time I came along. And by george, they must have been making it at about the same time I was making mine! --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * According to the logs, Grynd starting making the page 3hrs or so before you. =P 01:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Old Mammoth
Heya, could you possibly move the article "Last Weeks Mammoth" to "Last Week's Mammoth"? I know it's only a minor typo, but I still find it somewhat annoying. WoWpedia might be more "human-made" than WoW-databases such as Wowhead which digs data directly, but it should still be on par with it when it comes to names! Also, if possible, it'd be nifty if you could make "Last Weeks Mammoth" redirect to the new page. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 22:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired
Hey Coobra, the Alliance-Horde War article is constantly changed to include Malfurion as an Alliance commander, while hee actually doesn't take part in the conflict similar to Lady Liadrin, Hamuul Runetotem, Varok Saurfang or even Thrall who are not listed. Could you please visit Talk:Alliance–Horde War and discuss. I really think he doesn't fit there, as he is more neutral as leader of Cenarion Circle (just like the 4 Horde commanders who simply do not take part in the war eventhough they're in the Horde). Thanks in advance 20:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well he's not exactly the neutral leader but the alliance representative of the cenarion circle--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Sapient race templates
Ugh i'm sorry if i complain too much but it seems gourra doesn't know that the sapient templates are made to fit certain things and he's changing the templates to fit the name of the article, which PCJ named it wrong...--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being annoyance, but i really took a long time to arrange the templates--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Forsaken
Should i change

"Among the tauren the Forsaken found a champion in Magatha Grimtotem, who argued in favor of the alliance between the two peoples and who continues to work closely with them. Magatha claims she merely wants to aid the Forsaken in their quest to redeem themselves, although there are many who believe her true motives to be something very different and much less innocent."

with newer source:

"The kind-hearted tauren of Thunder Bluff proved to be the most promising contact. Specifically, Archdruid Hamuul Runetotem saw the potential for redemption in Sylvanas’ people, even though he was fully aware of the Forsaken’s sinister nature. Thus, the tauren convinced Warchief Thrall, despite his misgivings, to forge an alliance of convenience between the Forsaken and the Horde."

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/race/forsaken

Because in Cata Grimtotem and forsaken Relations made no Reference at all The quests could possibly has been retcon and blizzard website changed it from magtha to Hamuul.--Forsakenlord (talk) 22:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Couldn't they both have argued in favor of them... 23:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

could be however with shattering magtha never called the forsaken to aid her against baine bloodhoof instead asking garrosh aid + forsaken info from new website + No Reference made between the forsaken and Grimtotem + Grimtotem never sought the forsaken aid + Grimtotem Allied with Alliance (forsaken hatred enemy)= retcon? --Forsakenlord (talk) 23:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Wowpedia/World of Warcraft Acheivements thingy or wutever its called
how do you keep those doohickies in a straight column??????Itsuki624 (talk) 06:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Edit my page and copy the code the same way you did before... just take all of it, rather than portions. 06:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I was only editing to find out how to make the pictures,I didn't copy it.And how do you do that snake tail thing??PS.how would i make a thingy for preferring the Horde over the Alliance?Itsuki624 (talk) 07:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)Itsuki624

Never mind about the signature.I already got that done. Itsuki624 (talk contribs) 21:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)Itsuki624

Just 4get it all because I have an even liking of races in the factions.I like 3 of the Horde and 3 from the Alliance Itsuki624 (talk contribs) 23:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)Itsuki624

In fact,I used those 6 to make my own small faction.I'm making a userbox for it,but im having problems with the pics. Itsuki624 (talk contribs Lord of the Elves) 09:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)Itsuki624

Guardian of Ancient kings
Could you make an article for the creature instead of the ability? plz--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:20, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * plz?--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:16, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to. I wouldn't know what to put. 21:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No i mean i don't know how to make an article separate the creature from the ability do i add something to the name of the article or something?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you want to call the creature? The same exact thing as the ability? If so, use lower case for the race. Guardian of ancient kings . 22:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You know, it needs something. Like any lore at all.-- 22:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That would help too... it's why I never bothered with making a page for them. 22:25, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well i originally planned so i could remove a spell(with all it's spells things) from sapient species template, but then i remeber that they haven't shown any proof of being sapient, i still want to the article but there's not much lore either--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Mountfooter changes
I would like to see a couple of changes to the Mountfooter subpages: Rather than ask forgiveness, I thought I would ask your opinion on them first. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Skeletal Horse mounts - currently Mountfooter/Skeletal lists the category as "skeletal", which is already stretched to include the ebon blade DK mount.  It absolutely breaks when you include the raptor.  There are too many Skeletal Horses specifically to break that category that way.  I would see them moved to Unique for now.
 * 2) I would see all the sub-page mount links re-jiggered to remove the icons.  The icons are only useful if there's a distinct difference, and for the most part there isn't one.
 * Sounds like a good idea. 21:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just telling the opinion, 'cuz i'm editing mount pages a bit nowadays and i agree that fossilized raptor and dk mount need to be put in some other category, but i'm not sure that it's needed to get rid of icons. Drdead (talk) 23:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:azeroth aliens
In a fit nonsensical incoherence caused by a admin, i changed the name to a extensive "enciclopedical" name i want to change it back but the thing doesn't let me, can you help?Template:Sapient species alien to Azeroth to Template:Azeroth aliens--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. 22:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:22, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Alliance Sidebar
Hey there Coobra, i'm trying to keep the pages clean and up to date, i just see Gabrirt post anything on side bars thinking anyone can be on there without a reason or role they have to be up and just throws up anything in the Alliance up there, Hope you understand im doing the edits for the good of the pages and everyone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Just for the record i removed the titles from the leaders because:
 * A)They're bloating the template
 * B)They're unnecessary since you can click on the link and see their title
 * --Ashbear160 (talk) 22:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone removed all the race icons from the alliance page before you protected it... could you add them back?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * (Inserting) To what icons are you referring? The infobox is full of them. 00:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * And substitute this


 * The children of Cenarius, work closely with the night elves throughout Kalimdor.
 * Some Frost nymphs of Stars' Rest
 * Some Frost nymphs are within the Alliance, the most notable is Sarendryana.
 * For


 * The children of Cenarius, work closely with the night elves.
 * That's it if you can--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Ashbear160 i love how you really fixed up the side bars and made them stand out :) Hope you got some more great ideas and continue to protect the page like me, Admins can't be everywhere up to us to keep them clean for them.--ArbiterX122591 (talk) 23:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Quite the hypocrite since you reverted the same type of edit. -- 00:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I personally think the Admins, should lock the Alliance & Horde Pages and have someone in the adminstration, play around with those posts and have pple submit info, so there is only accurate information. Spam or inaccruate is turned away —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * If I had the time, I would... but I don't so I won't. The article has gotten out of hand, and I tried to help repair before, but I can't monitor it daily and protecting the page forever is against the spirit of the wiki. 00:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

As much as I hate to be the bad guy, I banned Ashbear160 for three days. This was getting out of hand.-- 00:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not arguing or anything, but my point of view never thought Ashbear160 was doing anything wrong, he seemed to always make the Sidebar look more clean, standout and look alot better. I think Gabrirt should get a major ban for the Alliance and Horde Pages cause he seemed to always just throw anything on the page and so many people including Coobra and myself had to reapir what he did and he continued over and over. and should i get a Minior or Major Ban whatever you choose, cause were i have always un-done his posts everytime i seem he had edited and thats against the rules of the Wiki, but did for the good of the page. We are the only two who seem to fight and argue over stuff on the page and we didnt recieve any bans and most of problem was infact us .. so i will leave it to you Admins on your decisions. comment was added by.

Digsite Map template
So... What is your plan for a) zones with more than one digsite in them? b) zones with overlapping digsites? With Digsite Map you've kinda put an end to any further digsite maps I'd put up. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea, I been slowly taking images of the maps with digsites and merging them together so only 1 map image with highlights would be needed. Then with that template each spot can be pointed to and placed on the zone article. It's slow going cause I haven't been focused on the profession. Once I get a complete zone with several digsite, the example will look better. 23:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are merging maps to get useful composites, would it help if I sent you my maps? (The which, I need point out, I carefully made while having but one dig site live per map...) I put cropped versions up as the "digsite map.jpg" files.  Hmm... If you're making composites, you can probably just use relevant segments from the images I uploaded.  --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I still have doubts about the utility of the project on zones that have overlapping dig sites (Dire Maul and Isilden (feralas), Auchindon (Nagrand), Ruins of Thaurissan (Burning Steppes)). --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought about using your images to speed this along, but decided that would be probably just make it more difficult, since not only would have to match them up perfectly, but also might have to resize them to fit the resolution I use. I've found it just easier to take all the screenshots collected when I get the random digsite and merge the images with a couple of clicks and points. Though I might just try anyway since my randomness of digsites is constantly sending me to Felwood... 00:50, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I may well have documented all of some zones' digsites individually, I do not know. If I have, you could ask for a full screenshot for calibration purposes.  Would save you creating them all anew in that limited case.  And ... you have much better image editing tools than I do. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 01:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Question page and a petty thing
Can i create a question page based on this thread http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8471, just to see if i can gather a larger number of questions on this page? if i can, can you just give the name you think it's best?

The petty thing is that i cannot remove the spaces between leaders and races in the infoboxes of the horde and the alliance, it wouldn't be a problem if it was in all of them, the problem is that some have spaces and other do not --Ashbear160 (talk) 01:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * If you want, I think Scrolls of Lore is doing a pretty good job at it. I would make a forum post, under Warcraft Lore, rather than make an article... as for the name Dev Lore Questions would work fine. As for the infobox issue... don't think there is much you can do about that. 02:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I would prefer if it wasn't a forum page, because i want people to improve each other questions if possible, add points to the question or just rephrase it better--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Would probably get more attention if on the forum, than a randomly named article. 02:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It's just that in the forum, we can't change each other questions to improve them, in a article we can, and also to divide the discussion from the actual questions would be useful too--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Well i don't have time to set it up now that the round 2 started :P, anyway is there any page that has the Dev Lore answers saved and if not can i create one?--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Ask CDev.-- 02:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks I guess we'll put round 2 below?--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * User:Ashbear160/CDev Questions Here's the example i just need to find a way to do a format and i think it's good enough--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think the format is very good but i have no further ideas, anyway what do you think, and can i turn it into a project page(i figured a project page would be a better page for a page with rules)?i also posted one question as a example of the format--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:57, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I had a few ideas for this the other night, but forgot to write it down... I'll take a look at your example and get back to you in a bit. 01:21, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Err... so what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:41, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It's a good start, but I'm thinking about more details and adding a rating system as well. More on this later though. 07:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm how would a rating system work?--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * A vote under every question? I personally do not like arbitrary rules unless absolutely necessary.-- 17:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes i know it's with votes but i'm asking about the specific code--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Vote? Though I do not see why someone could not just ask them all in the presumed next round.-- 20:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well in scrolls of lore it was done because some people prefer only to post the most popular questions

No matter... it's not a voting system, simply a way to see how many users/players have a strong desire to know. I believe I have finished the layout for it, see User:Coobra/CDev questions. However, I'm undecided on which route to go with for the stars...
 * 1) Template:Rating/doc - Displays 5 full silver stars before switching to gold.
 * 2) Template:Rating/dev/doc - Starts with one star from gray to gold, before going to star number 2.

Number 2 will allow for easy expansion should more than 20 like the question, but I'm not sure if the style of it is that great. 22:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You're good just one comment, you should add a Object sub-section While there are little questions in the scrolls of lore thread, it needs to be separated from Other--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also this part should be added this bit of info
 * "Warcraft community to the Creative developers,"
 * Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I prefer Template:Rating/doc
 * --Ashbear160
 * I prefer Template:Rating/doc too
 * 07:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Very well, that was my first choice as well. 22:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * When we can start adding questions?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It has been moved, feel free to. 22:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I see questions there that have already been asked in Ask CDev round two. Why is this?-- 01:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They weren't answered yet? only when the questions gets answered is when they are removed, that's what's stated in the removing guidelines, also could anyone that has a wow account point people in the story forums to this article plz?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * If Blizzard's CDev team is feeling strangely generous, then it may become necessary to overhaul the article to avoid redundancy with answers that we will have gotten. All unanswered questions could be copied at a later date, as Blizzard did not delete the questions from last time immediately, they just un-stickied them. I could post a link to it on the Story Forums, if someone else does not do it first. I still think that it is a bit early.-- 01:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Last time it took a month this time i think it will take longer (more questions and all that shazz), besides i'm not adding the entire gigantic list i made on scrolls of lore, just those that interest me, just adding a little clutter so the article doesn't look so nude, i also think i'm doing this a bit too early but there are already people doing round 3 pratice runs (at least one guy stated to be doing that.)--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Only posting your questions seems selfish. Also, clutter for the sake of clutter is stupid. I suppose I should post it on the Forum, if no one else has... unless it really is Rag's line. I may regret asking this, but why are there practice runs?-- 01:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't only post my questions, i post other questions the reason i post lots of mine is because, i was originally interested in them so i saved them, some of them i'm still interested, and i post them, some of them i'm not and i don't post them, also it's not just clutter for clutter sake, i'm genuinely interested in them.
 * why there are practice runs, i don't know, maybe to help people to not post stupid questions, it seems to be motivated by Omgdruid
 * also Rag's line? i don't get it?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I took "i'm not adding the entire gigantic list i made on scrolls of lore, just those that interest me" as only posting questions that you have. If other people on Scrolls of Lore have other questions, then they should be saved too. If I misinterpreted, then I am sorry. I do not know about any "practice runs" but I will still post it anyway. "Rag's line" refers to Ragnaros yelling "TOO SOON!" It was a meme before there were mountains to remember people from! I dislike explaining jokes. EDIT: There I posted it (unless Blizzard takes it down). Now stop bugging me. EDIT (again): Hmmm... Omgdruid says that you stole his idea... what am I to make of that?-- 04:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol if you want you can tell him that i had have a dev lore question thread on the scrolls of lore forums since 07-04-2010, 01:11 AM, http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7066&highlight=lore+questions, lol...
 * At that moment i wasn't posting many questions, just some to fill the thread a little--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Metzen Possibly answered questions

 * No confirmations really, but if it's fake it's a VERY GOOD faker--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

http://4chanarchive.org/brchive/dspl_thread.php5?thread_id=84793174 (NSFW)


 * Besides an old forum post and a 4chan thread that you have to be logged in to see, I think that you mean this.-- 16:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Tell me why, exactly, we're giving any credence whatsoever to something posted on 4chan? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Who is "we"?-- 18:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes you're link is much better, DTZ the point is that it's either metzen, or a very good impersonator, the emphasis on "Very good"--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * And given the source, I find the likelihood of it actually being Metzen to be infinitesimally small. It's not difficult for a good writer to impersonate someone in text. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It's still doesn't stop it from being very very good, i don't think this is metzen, but the probability is not infinitesimally small, or improbable--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * *shrug* Believe what you will, then. Ultimately, what matters is that 4chan isn't a trustworthy source, so none of it is going on Wowpedia. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Never suggested that, probably going to archive it somewhere with my username tag--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I was bored User:Ashbear160/Archive--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Gilneas Gallery
It will take me more time to upload all the small versions.Please do not delete all the ones I didn't reupload yet if I didn't finish till Sunday(Tommorow). Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 19:44, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * At long last,my great gilneas gallery is finished!!!! [[Image:IconSmall_HighElf_Male.gif]] Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 23:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Photo Issue
I'm having a problem with the file Aesindor.jpg,think you can help me? Aesindor, The Celestial Paladin (Leave a Message) 13:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing the issue was resolved, since the file does not exist. 22:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Old maps?
While editing some articles I thought of how it would be nifty to use old world maps to compare old and new content. However, I can't seem to find them. Are they removed, or are their names just changed? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 14:52, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They were renamed. I believe -old was added to them, for the most part. You may wish to see Cataclysm map comparison. 00:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 13:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Name
I would like to return to Hallowseve15, Coobra. Hallowseve15 (talk) 21:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Icons
How do you make the icons? is there any sort of turtorial or programs i need because i tried with wowhead and paint and the reults weren't good--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer the icon making just stay with a very few amount of users. Just so the quality and characteristics match between them. Not saying you'd be bad at making them or anything, but it just seems when ever a user (other than var or me) uploads an icon, one of us has to come in and clean it up. 01:58, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok managed to put the wmv working let me see if i can put it in photoshop and hit the correct sizes...--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Now i'm having problems with photoshop...--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Photoshop can be fun, if not annoying sometimes. =P 21:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that kind of problem... it's more it requesting me for a serial number when it's supposed to be a trial(gosh i hope they weren't hoping of paying up for a trial), where did you get your photoshop?(or you rather not talk about it?)--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Do the icons require any photoshop exclusive thing?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:20, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to my knowledge. And trial's shouldn't need a serial number, supposed to be some sore of trial button or just skip something of the like to get passed that. 02:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll have to use another photoshop-like tool that is free.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm do you screenshot a large image, and make it small or the opposite?--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Large to small, too hard to work with small images. 18:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * URGH IT'S HORRIBLE [[File:AkaliIcon2.png]]...
 * is there anyway to make the image more clear?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok fixed the corner thing and the background thing what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks blurry. 23:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you know any specific tool to improve it? or any specific setting? or anything?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:47, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Just passing by (nothing mean) but even I you manage to do icons well, if they don't fit to be in the unique list, they will be removed from it ;)
 * 23:50, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Deities get unique icons even if they are not unique, anyway i think the problem is with taking the screenshot from wowmodel viewer with using the correct sizes--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I give up for today, first i uploaded with png, it was blurry, not with gif it gives me that it does match the MIME extension--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Deities get unique icons even if they are not unique. Who made that rule? 05:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The other deities have unique icons, even trough their models aren't any different.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Varghedin told me to use the sharpen tool to remove the blur, and it worked i think? is it still too blurry now?--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
Btw, Coobra, could you ban a user called Pcj, he deletes articles without reasons, I think it's already third time when he deletes one of the articles I'v made. Yours sincerely, --U7 (talk) 03:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking through the deletion logs... he's only deleted one article you created. And that was the one you just made today. Only other things I see deleted are redirects you made and a guild page that did not follow WP:GUILD. 03:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, well could you do something? Why did he delite article pnagle's test dude? --U7 (talk) 03:26, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree with his actions for that page, and I'm sure had he not deleted it, another admin would have. I'm not sure where you got the image for that, but I'm sure it falls under DNP. 03:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it violates DNP, so could you please revert the deletion. The picture was taken from part of this old screenshort. --U7 (talk) 03:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it's from an illegal private server. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:09, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually it isn't, the name is in small capitals because the character was just tested in alpha/beta, you can also find the characters ID on DB-MMO, which proves that it has been on real servers . --U7 (talk) 06:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Deities

 * Moved to Talk:Demigod

IconSmall Worgen Icons
About  and , i really don't get why you reverted my uploads. ALL the other playable races IconSmall images ( and, and , etc) are *exactly* the same, both border and image. Why can't we use the official images for worgens (and goblins) too? Eraclito ( Talk • Edits ) 16:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * As I stated in the revert, you should check before blindly changing files.... All racial icons are placed on Wowpedia:List of creature icons. And as with the blood elves and goblins, worgen too have their place. They were reverted because you caused both file locations to be "official" icons, rather than how it was setup. 22:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, then: why is it the setup? I mean, we have icons matching all the playable races *except* worgen and goblin ones. For them, there're _2.gif like files. Why don't we delete the custom ones and only use the official ones, since they exist?
 * Anyway, thanks for updating my page :) But wasn't for my user page the reason i 'blindly changed' a custom icon used in templates with the official icon from battle.net. I tried to update something i though was missed by other people (like i recently did for some talents, abilities, other icons). But i feel just discouraged to help, if a change is considered vandalism without even a talk. IconSmall Guild Download.png Eraclito  ( Talk • Edits ) 00:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't for discouraged, help is already greatly welcomed. The change you made was never considered vandalism just an overlook of what already existed. I can't speak for everyone, but I find many of the "official icons", especially the worgen ones, not that good. And what it really came down to was that icons that were being used first or the longest took the main name while newer ones took an alternate name. It's just keeping things constant as well and also very easy to switch between them as well:


 * Worgen
 * Worgen (playable)
 * Worgen
 * Worgen
 * Worgen2
 * Worgen2


 * Now... if you want to open a discussion about having the "official icons" moved to the main file name and have the other icons moved to an alternate name (which includes the worgen, blood elves, and goblin), then please open a discussion or maybe even open a vote on which icons would be preferred to have on the main slot. Things are always up for change. 02:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * As for my reason of wanting the "official" icons pushed to the side simply because of their background... every icon we have uses a black background and theirs uses a blue for worgen and red for goblin. It really throws things off. 02:04, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

4.0.1
How are those pages datamined if the patch is on PTR? I am confused. Hallowseve15 (talk) 02:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's 4.1.0, and a patch being on the PTR doesn't mean everything being introduced in that patch has been released. If you do not have a source for things, there's nothing I can do. The same goes with your addition to Ragnaros.. MMO-Champion datamines this info and new models, but the new rag has not been seen and that falls under DNP. I believe we've told you this before many times. 02:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Forsaken History Content lack of BC
history Content lack of BC lore if i recall RAS members had huge role trying find cure for the fel orcs should someone add forsaken role in BC i don't have time do it right now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * K ... ? Random comment is random. 00:21, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * sorry but i wanted ask could you add forsaken role on History BC content because i am really busy and don't have time to read BC quests.--Forsakenlord (talk) 01:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems to be your project.. I have a bunch of stuff I am already doing myself, so I don't have the time to do things for you such as going through all the old BC content. 01:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Corporeal and Incorporeal Undead
Could you help me make those 2 articles? that is if you don't have problems with making them. i also have doubts on the names probably should think off a better one.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Incorporeal creature
 * Corporeal creature
 * Hmm.. it's probably good for a general term, could probably drop creature from it and just make Incorporeal / Corporeal articles. 01:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just to contrast better with the Skeletal creature article that contains rpg data--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Also could you tell em what you think of what i've been updating the creature template and the creature articles(Undead and Elemental)--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * i also found this article that can be used for all Mechanized animal so i added a list there--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you merge the Rumbling exile and the Rumbling Exile pages?--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I dislike such needless classification. Also, why merge the pages? They are not necessarily the same. It could be a type of earth elemental that just shares its name with only one mob. Or, it could be about the mob.-- 19:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Which are both earth elementals, it's like saying that Apple pie and Apple Pie aren't the same thing.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No. It is possibly like saying that all murlocs are Murlocs. However, it is very borderline in this case.-- 20:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that in the section they are said to inhabit Deephome. -- 20:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * All earth elementals are from deepholm, they are summoned to azroth you know -.-, and about that SWM this has been done before let me just look for a example --Ashbear160 (talk) 21:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok i'm almost giving up, i wanted to make the rpg articles that have little information merged with others with the same information, but it's just a big mess, the Quilboar thornweaver and the Thornweaver article state almost the same, the molten giant article are two one for the background and the other for the mob+background, and a thousand more problems with rpg articles i might as well make a list of problems i see... because... this is leaving me confused...--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

So nobody has any solutions?--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * To what, specifically?-- 19:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * the 2 Molten giant articles is it supposed to be two articles, one about mob+background and another on the background or one mob article and one background article.
 * Also the thornweaver and quillboar thronweaver should be merged and the goblin tinker(not the unit article) and the tinker article should also be merged.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The two molten giant articles are two articles: Molten giant and Molten Giant. The two thornweaver lore pages should probably be merged, but I am not sure to what name. About the tinkers, not all tinkers are goblins, and goblins are often their own sort of tinker.-- 20:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * the quillboar thornweaver article should be under Thornweaver races section in the thornweaver article i think.
 * The Tinker class has a section for Tinker races, and it has only gnome in it, goblin tinker should be put under there.

--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any problems if i merge those two?--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Which two? You mentioned more than two pages. The thornweaver pages could be merged, I guess, but I might need to clean the merged page later. I appreciate your enthusiasm.-- 19:04, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I meant merge both the thornweaver with the quilboar thornweaver, and the tinker with goblin tinker.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Merged the articles, i'm going to put the other with a delete tag, and the goblin tinker article contains irrelevant and repeated information which makes me think this information is copied from the source, i didn't pass the languages the quillboar thornweaver speaks because i think that information is irrelevat.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * There is nothing wrong with leaving things as redirects. There is nothing wrong with coping information from sources, barring fair use issues, as that means that it is accurate.-- 19:31, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought it was wiki standards that useless articles were deleted and that information must not be directly copied unlss stated as such?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:41, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * What are you interpreting? Cite it.-- 19:42, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * i don't know, i just thought it was, anyway you rversed what i did in the thornweaver article :(, and used the quilboar article instead...--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:43, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the Thornweaver article was slightly better written than the quilboar one, also i don't think the language information is relevant--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The one who reverted it was me because 1) there's only one type of thornweaver 2) the section was a duplicate of the information that already was in the article. -- 19:48, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I told you to read our policies and guidelines. Do it. You know you want to. All I did to the quilboar article was remove the delete tag that you put, as it was the wrong one.-- 19:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * There are too many policies and guidelines, this is the sole reason why i don't bother to read them unless someone points me there, and what i'm saying is that Thornweaver article was slightly better written than the Quillboar thornweaver article.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Admitting that you haven't read the policies is probably not the wisest course of action, and your reasoning is not a good excuse. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There are like 50 pages of it, i just don't have the patience--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:23, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm... what do you think, Coobra?-- 02:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what the question is... about the mergings? Or about reading the policies/guidelines? 03:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Either, though I frown more on the latter. It is your talk page. It is sort of ironic that you are uninvolved.-- 04:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Besides the thornweaver articles, I see no reason for the others to be merged... though goblin tinker is a small article, it could be merged into tinker with a redirect. I'll have no issue with that. But a no for the molten giant articles. 04:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not asking the molten giant articles to be merged, trough one should probably be moved to Molten giant(mob), i had a confusion, because one was supposed to be mob and another background, but the mob article i rmebered it to have lot of background i must have remembered it wrong, the thing with the rumbling exile, is because the background article has very little information that could be merged with the mob article, that's all.--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I merged the tinker articles, i don't know how to turn the goblin tinker article into a redirect.--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I should've sayed this but what i want is to make RPG information more accessible, it's very hard to find it when most of it, is separated from the rest of the content, when many connections can be made.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * There's WoW RPG classes and Warcraft RPG classes already, what else do you need? -- 18:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not about classes, those two classes were just 2 good examples i found that conventionally had classes, two examples that i also found was Acid bullet and Drill crawler which i linked to the dark iron clan article, just making these articles more accessible or transfer the information to the appropriate place--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there a category for non-cooking(as in not in the profession) cuisine?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Category:World of Warcraft food items. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think i can't put things like Amity wine there can't i...--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:34, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Items that don't appear in WoW can be placed into Category:Items. 20:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks that's what i was looking for.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Template:Creature
I updated the creature template and template footers what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing those problems :D--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:04, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. 22:34, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Now i'm going to try to make a template for every tribe and clan per race.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:01, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * For some reason i can't edit templates that i already started...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You can, you just had them misnamed under the name parameter. 00:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I also can't make a broken template because broken is already a tag? which name do i use Broken tribes?


 * Just use Broken draenei. 00:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok i'll do it tomorrow if nobody else has done it.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok i think all types of racial groups are done?--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Joren Ironstock
Is there a specific guideline other than the boilerplates that I'm supposed to follow here? I am a new contributer, and I'm just learning all the guidelines. Is there a reason not to include the quest objective in a literate way under the quest header for NPCs? And sorry for the multiple edit updates; I am new, as mentioned, and will get better over time. If there is a problem with the way I'm expanding stubs please let me know, I wouldn't want to anger imposing members of the community who know all about account hacking and whatnot :) Thanks Thewalrus (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Other than our normal Wowpedia:Guidelines, Wowpedia:Policies, and using the boilerplate layout just look to similar articles for examples. Though I would use newer articles for the best examples on how we'd like articles to start appearing, older articles will tend to look as they were wanted years ago. Feel free to experiment in sandboxes as well, these are generally not monitored and allow users to freely try things without interfering with existing articles and preventing edit errors (if another user starts to edit the same article). Welcome to wowpedia. =) 05:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Organization
I redid the alliance and horde sections, and changed it for instead of being race by race, to be by jurisdiction or sovereignty, i want to ask your opinion, i'll redo the rest tomorrow.--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Images from wowhead
Hello! I was searching images for some NPCs, but I can't find them because they are present only during some events. I found that wowhead has the images, can i upload them or it's forbidden? --  Forco   sussura agli abissi  20:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can upload those images to Wowpedia. -- 20:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks :) --  Forco   sussura agli abissi  20:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Priesthood of elune
Someone joined a lot of priests of elune articles, but then named it Priests and priestesses of Elune, but isn't priesthood of elune a more correct gender neutral name, i tried to change it but it says i can't.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:57, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Merging the two is misleading as they are two different terms. -- 14:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well since vanilla wow the priesthood has been gender neutral amplified by the fact of the two statues in archaeology that tell us that, but i don't really care much of it.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:11, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Dragonflight footer
I'm trying to create a dragonflight footer, but i seem to be doing something wrong because i can't get the Red dragonflight to appear on it's page...--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I ran out of ideas on how to make this work
 * nevermind i'm a moron--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Racial organization templates
Do you have anymore thoughts on this? I feel it just comes down to what Lon-ami and Ashbear160 want to enforce. Also, do you believe that this is a bit extreme? It has been a pet peeve of mine for a while (pre-Rolandius even) that all mob prefixes and suffixes do not need pages, which may happen, and some people (myself, for now, not included) are not too crazy about navboxes.-- 20:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm... it does seem to be getting excessive, cause not everything needs to be in the navbox... but it's like you said in the forum post, things get messy over periods of time. 21:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Specificly Just tribes and entirely racial groups i think those at least are needed--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Curbing creativity is (admittedly) against the wiki spirit, but I am just trying to stop problems in advance. You do not have to clean up what was never made a mess in the first place. Is planning ahead so bad? Though, I may not be good at predicting things...-- 21:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, planning ahead is very nice... but sometimes, things that users want to have done will end up getting done eventually, if not by them by others that want it as well. 21:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember telling Rolandius "it is easier to shrug off a trickle than a flood." A group of less prolific editors may get away with semi-controversial things more, especially over a long period of time, while prolific editors and their flaws will be singled out more. It just happens. I am uncertain of the cruelty involved. However, I ask you: what do the users want to have done?-- 21:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * i don't know if i want or not what you said "that all mob prefixes and suffixes do not need pages", in some cases i don't like it others i do, i only put them in the navboxes because they are already there in the list--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:23, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you are saying. If you don't know if you want something or not, why pursue it with such gusto and enthusiasm?-- 21:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Because they are already in the list.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:48, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I was talking about a list, was I?-- 21:52, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I was the only reason i put them on the templates is because they are already on the list--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:28, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Object or NPC?
re Dead Iron Giant... You interact with it as an object, regardless that it represents what would have been a mobile entity. Wherein lies the difference between NPC and object? I can concur with adding "iron giants", but making it an NPC seems absurd. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:16, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought it was interacted as an NPC... just not attacked or through talk... Don't you use a pickaxe to interact with it? It's also not solid like all other objects. 22:17, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

My Website
Remember Fictional Races Wiki (http://fictionalraces.wikia.com/wiki/Fictional_Races_Wiki) How do I change the color of the background, I do not like the white color. Hallowseve15 (talk) 22:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Try asking pcj, he'll be more knowledgeable on that subject. 22:27, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Warcraft universe
I wanted to update that part of the main page, like you saw sometime ago, you suggested a sandbox but i had already complete it, gourra reverted it and zeratul say to do what you said so i made a sandbox Portal:Warcraft Universe/Sandbox, now i don't know if i should just revert what gourra did(since i just copied to the sandbox), wait for someone to answer the talk page(which i did for two days), or let outdated page lie, and leave it outdated and lacking information.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, forgot about that, comment added. 21:06, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Err could you recomment on my answer please and in this one too Talk:Old Gods--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:48, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well since noone else answered back, and i can't change my design further without more specific complaints(the main:warcraft universe page)i'm going to change it back in a few hours if you don't have any problems that my justifications doesn't solve--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:36, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Crusading to the conflict
Please check Template talk:Wars and help to divulge my proposal.

Dun Morogh Sledders
Thanks for the speedy clean up on Dun Morogh Sledder. I hoped to get time this weekend for more research on these dudes (like, how long were they there for a while, or just recent?) but your sweep sweep and such really was nice. Yourbuddybill (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Changing a image's file name?
Hullo there Coobra, may I ask how to change the file name of an image uploaded on Wowpedia?

Also, concerning the unofficial artwork I uploaded a while ago, is is possible to use it as long as it is properly described as "unofficial" on the articles it is used on? I understand why it is preferred to use official artwork rather than fanmade, but it's a shame those images wont be used anywhere - especially since they were made by an artist who's also been doing TCG art. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 12:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, btw, it seems SeedsOfTheLasherByGenzoman.jpg is actually used for a card in the TCG (http://www.wowtcgdb.com/images/large/seeds_of_the_lashers.jpg), so there's no need to delete it. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * To request an image rename use the move template on the file and specify what name you'd like to have as the first parameter. Example:  leaving out the File:. And I agree, I'd love to use those artworks, for the exact reasons you stated. But if we start making exceptions to the rule, we'll have more artists wanting their unofficial work displayed here... though if the exception is artists who already do a major contribution to Blizzard products, I guess that could be okay.  20:06, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, oke, I thought normal users could change file names in a similar manner to changing article names. In any case, now there's something else I'm wondering. Is it possible to change a file's file type when uploading a new version of it? Such as changing and old .gif into a new .jpg? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd like your personal opinion about something. I found the "complete" image of Kurdran TCG.jpg on http://www.boros-szikszai.com/pictures/64/390_pic.jpg, but now I'm unsure whether to replace the old version on Wowpedia with it or not. Naturally, the larger version is more detailed and stuff, but the old version seems better for a "profile image" which it is used for on Kurdran Wildhammer's article. What do you think? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 23:29, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, I'm just glad images can be moved now, a few years ago, we didn't have that option. So to rename we had to re-upload. As for changing the file type, that's not possible. Just upload the new one, and mark the old one for deletion. As for the Kurdran question. I see upload full version under a different name and add it to the page, but leave the current one as it is, cause you're correct to think of that one as the profile image. 01:09, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

old god faction
I want to create a article for the old gods+servants faction, but i have a problem with it's name i was thinking either Servants of the Old gods, or do the name it the same as the illidian faction, Old gods forces, what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:20, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well Old Gods' forces already exists as a redirect. You could turn that into an article I suppose. 21:21, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks i'll try, now i have another problem with gourra removing all the racial icons from the horde page, because he says they are not needed, nevermind that we do the same for everyother article about organizations(alliance burning legion scourge) and regions/planes/planets(elemental plnes), so yeh i'm asking your opinion--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's a early mock-up of what i plan to do. User:Ashbear160/Old god force's--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You better bring that up on the talk page, since the editor that removed the (imo bloated) infobox discussed there. --22:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I plan to improve the infobox before i complete the rest of the article... and that infobox was in the wrong article Old god is not exactly a organization of various races, but their forces are... and it isn't any much bloated than the alliance or horde infobox is.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, but a list of races and an infobox isn't enough to warrant an article about it. -- 23:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't finished it's going to take some time...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * User talk:Ashbear160/Old god force's See... (Gabrirt (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC))

Undoing ang (un)blocking
Why you have undo everything in the horde article??? I made valuable contributions! I Added very correct content. Shouldn't you review patiently first and not undoing everything ? I added everything correctly!!(Gabrirt (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC))
 * Go read the talk page. Any further discussion should be held there about this topic. 02:10, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:Race
Could you explain how this page worksTemplate:Race i wanted to do a few changes if possible or is it only a admin thing?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Due to being a very highly used template across several articles, it is an admin edit only template. Free feel to make suggestions on it's talk page. 19:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Protect Alliance Page
Hey Coobra i was wondering if you could lock the Alliance page and clean it up like you are doing for the Horde Page. I think you should keep them locked and leave them like that, so than you wont have to clean them up ever again .. and Gabrirt doesn't mess with them lol. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * I already plan to lock and clean the Alliance as well... though I'll admit, I haven't been on the Alliance side since Burning Crusade, and only leveled my Alliance toon in late Wrath to just see the storyline on that side. I just didn't want to have both pages locked at the same time for cleanup... though I might end up having to. 02:30, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Titan constructs
I have been thinking about this for a while. What is your plan?-- 21:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have no plan... Just saw that (at least the Uldum ones) have been confirmed by the Encounter Journal that they are indeed constructs and not Titans, that I would create a "creature" category for them.... since they aren't really stone keepers or watchers..... although they could be just new models /shrug. This category will at least keep them all together. 21:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * So the category is just for the five Uldum bosses?-- 21:12, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't have confirmation of the other ones until the Encounter Journal is completed. 21:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well you made "Stone guardians" a subcategory of "Titan constructs" (where we can shove confirmed constructs with no race" name) so... what other categories should be under "Titan constructs"? What is a stone guardian anyway?-- 21:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I would limit exactly what categories are placed there... while creatures such as the tol'vir were constructs, they have "evolved" from being something simply programmed to do a particular task. I'm not even sure what a stone guardian is... but it was the parent category of stone keepers so I threw it in. But yea.. mostly anything constructed by titans which have no similar category could be thrown in there. Just to at least keep track of them. 21:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Should we add algalon, he fits your description.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what Algalon is... a being that serves the titans, an unique construct built by the titans... or something else. 20:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought when Algalon was saying this
 * "Perhaps it is your imperfection that which grants you free will. That allows you to persevere against cosmically calculated odds. You prevailed where the Titans' own perfect creations have failed."
 * Was referring to himself.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly... though he was most likely referring to the vrykul, earthern, the guardians of Ulduar (most likely them). 21:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He says that after being beaten, and he gives a monologue on how he feels before that, it most probably is referring himself there, but it's still pretty dubious--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Old god forces
Could you check Old Gods' forces and tell me what is wrong with it, it's still incomplete(misses something in the organization and former member part) but a early judgement would help.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Plz--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:51, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Warcraft III
Hello. What does this mean? Why my changes are reverted? --Askarmuk (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Plz answer the question. --Askarmuk (talk) 20:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello... it's a wiki, I'll answer your question perhaps when I'm paying attention to the site and not engaged with my personal life. Thank you.
 * To answer your question, it means the template is used a very many pages... edit warring on a high use template is frowned upon... course edit warring in general is frowned upon. You think something needs changing, discuss it. Don't change it to how you want and have edit wars over it without a discussion taking place and coming to a conclusion. 00:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Protecting this template without any words is a bad manner. Plz next time say something to me (im not a vandal) and dont do like you want even if you have administrator privileges. For example: start a discussion as you said. Im opened to talk. Also: edit wars was started by user:Gourra from this changes -, . Plz remind him that it is a bad manner to start edit wars. As administrator you can do this. Thank you. --Askarmuk (talk) 11:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Use Template talk:Warcraft III to discuss the changes you want to it and why. Don't spread the conversation to multiple talk pages. 00:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Topic added. --Askarmuk (talk) 11:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Concept art
Shame with the oversized images, perhaps I should run the next ones I find through MS Paint a few times before I upload them. In any case, do you think http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/images/drawgoon/WarCraft_Drawgoon038c_Large.jpg should replace TempestKeepConcept.jpg? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Couldn't say... the link provided brings me to an Access Denied page. 21:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hrm, odd, it's working fine for me... maybe it's a cooking or something. Or maybe not. I uploaded the image as a solution, you can decide whether you want to delete one of them or keep both. If you choose to keep the one I uploaded, it might be convenient if you rename TempestkeepArtwork.jpg to "Tempest Keep Concept Art Peter Lee 2.jpg". WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 00:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Argh, I mean cookie, not cooking. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 00:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. 01:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

New Race Request
Is it necessary to make a page based of Fandral Staghelm and Leyara's look and name it Flame elf? Hallowseve15 (talk) 21:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I want to say no, cause they're night elves... however... if they went through a physical change like the blood elves did to felblood elves, then yes. 21:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Would it be redundant with Druids of the Flame?-- 00:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly. I would not create a racial page, unless it's backed up by lore. 00:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The Burning Crusade Bestiary?
Sorry to bother you again in such a short amount of time.

I've noticed that some articles use the "Burning Crusade Bestiary" as a lore source. This is - if you don't know (which I find unlikely anyway) - a former site on the official WoW website which describes different creatures introduced in TBC. The info has however been removed (possibly as a result of their new layout) and the site is now your everyday "buy it!" site.


 * http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/bestiary.html

The info can still be found other places. Particularly, this site seems to be somewhat a mirror of it. I was planning to use the info to "revive" the official article on Wowpedia, but it turns out such an article already previously existed. Seems the user named "Kirkburn" deleted it because it was "old news". Still, I think Wowpedia should "protect" its sources as much as quoting them. What is your opinion? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 17:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * To which official article do you refer to? 20:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah i've have alo been having problems with old sources, specifically naga birth and anubisath, i had to use dead links as a source and that's annoying--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's easy to find references from the bestiary on Wowpedia articles. Simply browse the creatures and check if their respective articles are using it as a source. Direct quotation = as witten on the official site. Indirect quotation = somewhat altered.
 * Fel orc: The "Official site info"-sections contains a direct quotation.
 * Ethereal: The first six lines is a direct quotation.
 * Fleshbeast: The "Description"-section is a direct quotation.
 * Forest troll: The first five lines (complete introduction) is a direct quotation.
 * Fungal giant: The first line is an indirect quotation. The second and third lines are direct ones.
 * Gronn: The first three lines are indirect quotations.
 * Naaru: The history-section (atm lacking references) are using indirect quotations in line three, five, six and seven.
 * Ogre lord: The "Outland ogre lords"-sub section under the "Background"-section is a direct quotation.
 * Rock flayer: The first seven lines is a direct quotation.
 * Spore bat: The first four lines is a direct quotation.
 * Spore walker: The "Background"-section is a direct quotation.
 * Warp stalker: The first and second line are indirect quotations.
 * Several (possibly all) of the creatures' articles also use the images depicting the races in the original info. You can find some of them combined with it here and here.
 * WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're still unsure about the legitimacy of the official article - as far as I know, it acted as a teaser, presenting the new models and lore which Blizzard implemented in the Burning Crusade. They created a "Wrath of the Lich King Bestiary" too, probably also a Cataclysm one. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, you mean all the individual racial articles, when you said "planning to use the info to "revive" the official article on Wowpedia" and ""Kirkburn" deleted it because it was "old news"", I thought you meant an actual article on the BC bestiary. Yes that's fine to update the links, though I'm not sure about changing their descriptions back to what it was, since its expanded since then and some completely changed. 21:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Four words: Internet Archive Wayback Machine. -- 21:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thx Gourra, now I can browse the web as MacGyver did! But, Coobra, what I'm trying to say is not that I want to "revert" all the individual race's articles - I want to implement one of Wowpedia's sources directly into Wowpedia, as an article. Why? Because Blizzard destroyed their own article! And Kirkburn destroyed the article I want as well - here is the remains of it! So, here's my plan: we use the info on the "official mirror article" found on this site I found to make an article called "The Burning Crusade Bestiary" on Wowpedia. This must be protected, other info than the original info must NOT be added, and the original info must NOT be removed or altered. Then, we can use that article as a source for other articles, such as the races I've listed, in place for the now-removed official info which Blizzard removed! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * On second though, think I'll use Gourra's time machine instead (as source of the new article), then I can have the images as well. This'll be glorious. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * We cannot restore the deleted article as it was deleted before the move to Wowpedia. Either you'd have to ask someone on WoWWiki to get it for you, or make it from scratch. -- 21:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I was already planning on doing that. With the power of hope and copy-paste it'll be fixed in no time. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hopefully decency wins out over politics. Speaking of articles-as-sources, Source-article has a niche but is never used. I think it or a template like it could see more use. Also, I there are multiple versions of some race descriptions, like the gronn and the naaru. The Wayback machine should have them all, but it may not.-- 01:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Now if we could find things for other examples like this one.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with The Wrath of the Lich King Bestiary, I've entered the info now! Turns out the problem was that the filter for some reason didn't accept the references for the last three races never being implemented. That's pretty ironic, don't you think? An article being a source, not accepting sources. I guess it's also somewhat ironical that you're the one who helped solve the problem although I was planning to give you a break from my nagging... again, thanks! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 20:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Should Bestiary be remade (hopefully keeping the history notes) using this link? I know we have at least some of the animated images uploaded somewhere already.-- 22:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I was already thinking of it. I managed to find a similar (the same?) source by putting http://eu.blizzard.com/en/wow/townhall/beastiary/dragonspawn.html into Gourra's time machine. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I should have been clearer. The Wayback Machine was already mentioned, and more than one mirror is good.-- 17:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Can anybody recover this? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/3p1/bosstiary.html --Ashbear160 (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * And http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/3p1/bosstiary.html --Ashbear160 (talk) 17:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Also http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/dungeons/wrath-ulduar.xml --Ashbear160 (talk) 18:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ashbear160, you can try to search for them in the Wayback Machine. Coobra, how important do you think finding replacements for dead links that are used as sources is?-- 19:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * In my opinion it's very important to be able to corroborate information ,but you're not asking me, so i'm just saying due to try sourcing the Old Gods' forces, i had to use lot of references to dead links because i couldn't check the original information and it was the only source the article gave, so i had to do some blind-sourcing, by trusting the dead sources posted on Wowpedia.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't know about the Wayback Machine, so finding replacements is not that big a deal... though since not everyone knows about the wayback machine, we should probably link to it as a way to check old internet sources on WP:EL. 00:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't we transfer all of the dead links into source articles at least?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Saying that making all dead links into source articles is the minimum that we should do is a bit much, but making them anyway is fine, as long as they are clean and accurate.-- 04:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll try.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * is this first example okay Encyclopedia - Naga?--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm still not sure how the wayback machine works, but i'm gonna ask this, which date should i choose? the one with the biggest black line?--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * PCJ is deleting the source articles...--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:08, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Coloration issue
File:Northrendfalls.jpg versus http://www.justinkunz.com/concept/blizzard/WotLK_Env15_HowlingFjordC_hi_res.jpg. Same image, yet the former looks like autumn and the latter like spring. What do you think, Coobra? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The newer one seems to be the correct one. 21:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * More likely, they recolored the concept art to see what it might look like in different seasons, which would make both correct. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. According to the site where I found it (here), the "spring version" was featured in the art book in the Collector’s Edition of Wrath of the Lich King, available on 11.13.08. The "autumn version" was uploaded in 2007, which - as I see it - makes the spring version the newer one. I'll upload it, but I don't think the autumn one has to be deleted. Dark T Zeratul is probably correct. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 22:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikia Question
I do not know if you can answer this, but I have a question. How to I change the background color for my wikia (http://fictionalraces.wikia.com/wiki/Fictional_Races_Wiki)? I do not like the blah feel. Hallowseve15 (talk) 00:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No clue. 01:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Alliance and horde infobox
Hum how do i acess the discussions of it?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * None have taken place so far, feel free to create the start of it at Template talk:Infobox Alliance and/or Template talk:Infobox Horde. 01:13, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I made it slightly easier to find the discussion page from the articles themselves. Just click the chat bubble in the lower right corner on either the Alliance or Horde articles. 01:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Snakes!
Uploaded a hefty snake image you might enjoy. There sure it a lot of impressive concept and TCG art out there! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 10:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice! 21:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the help with my sig! I'd never knew that was the problem. :P ( Luxor ( t / c ) 05:38, 10 June 2011 (UTC))
 * Your most welcome. 05:39, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Re-written the New Horde
I saw that you requested somebody do this and I like how it came out but sorry if i did it wrong, but anyway here you go and uh sorry if this wasn't exactly the place to put itMoneygruberTheGoblin (talk) 01:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Page isn't locked anymore. 01:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Would like to interview you
Hi Coobra,

I’m continuing my research (on WoWWiki and WoWPedia) this summer and hope to interview several of the core contributors about their experiences. Would you be available at some point this summer for an interview?

I also wanted to share an article of mine about WoWWiki that was recently published; you can find it on the front page of my website (linked to from my faculty page, below; happy to send you pdf, if you like). For the most part it talks about the writing processes of the community and how members work well together because of shared attitudes and beliefs about writing on a wiki. If you have any questions or feedback, I’d love to hear it.

Thanks for considering this. If you're interested in participating, you can contact me here via email . Dakhma (talk) 14:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Image deletion
Here are some images you might want to delete: WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 13:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Blood Knight female.jpg - replaced by Crusader Farisa TCG.jpg
 * NecroshenByGenzoman.jpg - you already marked it for possible deletion, but nothing has been done so far. Might as well remove it already.
 * ForTheHordeByGenzoman.jpg - same as above.
 * Primal Taming TCG.jpg - I'm a bit unsure about this. Turns out it's not quite as similar to the card which I first though. You can decide whether it's to stay on Wowpedia or not.
 * Done. I don't have a problem with it staying, so long as it's being used. 20:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Cut Short
You posted a note on the page for the short story, Cut Short, saying "The story takes place after Operation: Gnomeregan and before the new gnome starting experience.", but do we have any confirmation for this. I'd say, after having read it, that it takes place after the starting experience. If you have anything that confirm your note, please include it in the article and ignore this :) — Aedror (talk) 23:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We can confirm it takes place after operation: Gnomeregan but we don't know nothing else after that.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

JPG → PNG?
IncinerateOff.jpg was one of the first images I uploaded here on Wowpedia, for the Firelord (Warcraft III) article. Unfortunately, the image not PNG. The original file (website link, file link) is also in JPG though. Figured out I'd mention so you can decided whether you want to change it into PNG or not. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 15:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

FactionIcon2 icons
Feel free to to grab the icons I made for Template:FactionIcon2. I'm planning to grab a whole bunch of Varghedin's small icons at some point. That guy is a machine. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contribs) 8:46 AM PST 20 Jun 2011

Creating Categories
I want to create a category for thing in this article Mechanized animal. how do i do it?--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And for Vehicles too.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and can we change this category to Category:Cannons and Turrets?--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * When you add a category to something, it will be created automatically. The category page will just be redlinked until you add some text to it, though. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:26, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * oh ok, but if we wanted to change the name of the category itself does the move button work like everything else and would every article change it's categories or dod we have to do manually to each one?--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You might be able to move a category page to another name (I've not tried), but for the articles within that category you would have to edit the category for each one. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's better if just leave it has cannons and include turrets in it without being in the name.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, categories can't be moved, however, the content on the category can be place on a new one, and then change every article that was in the old to the new. 03:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, it's better to leave as it is.--Ashbear160 (talk) 03:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Categories should always (with a few exceptions) be made in the plural tense as well. 03:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Faction icons
Unless I've missed something, I'd love to hear why you uploaded all those faction icons. See File talk:Both 15.png as well. -- 07:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Template talk:FactionIcon. 07:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Random stuff

 * OfficialArtworkImageHowlingFjord18.jpg vs Nifflevarconc.jpg.
 * Magister male.jpg is a lesser duplicate of FirewardenWylandKaslinth.jpg.
 * Artwork1.jpg is marked with the need to be replaced by a better one, but personally I think it's pretty good. I did however find another version on the official site - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/media/artwork/wow-wrath?keywords=&view#/env-nerubian-4.
 * WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, "reason: rename" .. well, I guess "Howling Fjord Concept Art" or something would be fitting. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

CDev questions and the RPG
What should we do about rpg question in the cdev? remove them or just tag them? or should we instant a "don't ask non-cannon questions" rule.
 * I think it should be removed blizzard made it clear it's non-cannon so i'll doubt they answer anyway.
 * I already asked in the forums but i guess i would ask you separately since you were the creator of that article and the one that set the rules.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Elemental Dragons
Should I make a separate page for the race of Elemental Dragons or should I merely expand the page named Elemental drake mounts? MoneygruberTheGoblin (talk contribs) 21:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well we already have Storm dragon and Stone dragon that you could work on. Elemental drake mounts isn't meant for lore, just as a mount information page. What would the Elemental dragon article contain?  21:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Block of Killars
For the future Coobra, would you mind warning people at least once before you block them? Catching flak from L2R. --Sky (talk) 19:35, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Source-article
Given how you're the one who changed Template:Source-article into what it looks like today (which I'm happy for, both because it's an important template and because you even used the "warning table" I made), could you please have a look at this? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 13:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Grell Dilemma
So how are we going to solve this? we've got firekin which are definitely not demons and are elementals, Flamekin which are demon but act more like elementals, Sprites and Grell which are both demon and Humanoid, my opinion screw gameplay mechanics because they are not lore, and they are often wrong, but we need to make this at least make some sense.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:58, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Only problem is, we have no lore on these Flame Imps or Firekin. The only thing we have is Quest:Wisp Away saying "fire elementals are pouring out of portals" and the Firekin come out of the portal. Everything we once considered lore about the Grell came from RPGs, the same is true of the Sprites. Only other solution is to label them fire elementals, I don't want to do that. 21:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Or just leave it blank so that it's Unknown. -- 21:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Or that, yes. 21:09, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The Grell lore in the RPG seemed to mention some Shadowglen quests. Why does everything need to be pegged down as a specific race? Because Ashbear said so and thinks that it is useful? I disagree if we just don't know.-- 21:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I preferred labelling them as "a type of grell-like creatures" it isn't wrong because they share the same model, but Unknown works too, i would still prefer them to be labelled as something rather than nothing--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Molten Giant Icon
Could you comment on this?Wowpedia talk:List of creature icons?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

About fel stalker and Felhound
Hello again, and thanks for contributing to the discussion.

There is some clarification that should be done on both articles if they are actually different creatures. The Fel stalker article makes various references to «felhound». In Reign of Chaos, the WarCraft III unit was named Felhound, and then Fel Stalker in The Frozen Throne. In my opinion, we should merge both articles and mention the RPG Books distinction that you mentioned.

Although, Fel Ravagers also did appear in WarCraft III: The Frozen Throne as a lvl7 creep with the Devour Magic and Black Arrow abilities.

--Wc3sRui (talk) 07:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * RPG is now non-canon--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Warcraft III had Felhounds (called hellhounds by Kel'Thuzad).
 * The Frozen Throne had Fel Beasts, Fel Stalkers, and Fel Ravagers (with Fel Demons as the greater creature type per Battle.net).
 * Manual of Monsters (non-canon) had Fel Stalkers and Fel Hunters (with Fel Stalkers as the greater creature type).
 * Monster Guide (non-canon) had Felhounds, Felstalkers, and Fel Ravagers (with Felhounds as the greater creature type).
 * The Well of Eternity calls them felbeasts (consistently, as far as I can tell).
 * WoW calls them a bunch of things, the warlock one being a Felhunter.
 * I hope that helps.-- 17:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, so, is this matter getting resolved any time soon? --Wc3sRui (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll help sort them out if you want. What are your thoughts?-- 19:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The only thing consistent in WoW is that they use the term hound in nearly all the names. 20:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I think tis would make a excellent question in the CDev questions--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Ancients picture update
Since you seem to be the creator of these kinda pics, i'm gonna request, if you want to, to upgrade this with the following changes:
 * -Add the upgrade model of Malorne.
 * -Remove Xavious, Elune and Azshara since they are no longer ancients, due to the de-canonization of the RPG.
 * And if you feel like it should have the dark ancients and vash'jr ancients, add them.
 * Thanks.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look at it, but it's not on my priority list. 01:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Image Licensing
I uploaded two images of my character to the wiki, SanguisProfile.png and SanguisBox.png, I put the licensing as "Personal Photo not taken in the World of Warcraft", the images were taken using the snipper (screenshot) tool on my laptop from the Armory image. I'm wondering if I have used the correct licensing or not.--Alindaloran (talk) 02:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems fine. TherasTaneel (talk) 02:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired
Your opinion is desired on this topic.

Thank you.

07:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Dragonkin Review
I noticed that most dragonkin pages have rpg information only(ex:Green drake, Green whelp) and i wanted it more similiar to pages like Fire hawk, however wowhead that used to have a "same model as" button/tool as disappeared and i'm having hard time finding all mobs that share models, can you help in anyway with this problem?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Besides looking through the category made for them, the only other way would be to look through them individually. 21:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems we're going to try something different (exfusing all whelp articles into one) can you contribute to the aritcles in this talk page?Template talk:Dragonflightfooter‎--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Can you helm me with something in the Black whelp i can't make the image appear small in the infobox without coding appearing all over the place, can you help?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)