Talk:Hakkar the Soulflayer

Faceless
Nitpicking about lore here: --Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 09:37, 23 December 2006 (EST)
 * 1) What is the exact quotation that makes people link him to the Faceless Ones?
 * 2) What links him to the Old Gods?
 * IIRC, Erankius says it is Hakkar that has corrupted him. Malfurion then says it is "old whisperings" that corrupted him. This would suggest Hakkar is in league with an/the Old God(s). The Troll mentioned calls him "the Faceless One" from what i remember, and i doubt that was intended as a link to the tFT versions. I'll have to double check up on accuracy and sources, but it goes roughly something like that. -- Zeal ( talk  -  contr  - web) 10:00, 23 December 2006 (EST)


 * No problem- I'm accepting the Old God connection, but I find it difficult to link him to the creatures in TFT, especially since he called "The Faceless". More importantly, this will answer a fair question: did the Faceless-Old God connection arise from Hakkar, or people thinking that the Forgotten One is an Old God?--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 10:14, 23 December 2006 (EST)


 * Yeah i agree, and it seems people made the Old God connection via the Forgotten One-Old God and Faceless One speculation, long before the information from Malfurion. -- Zeal ( talk  -  contr  - web) 10:26, 23 December 2006 (EST)


 * Yet, no evidence for Forgotten/Old; and Hakkar is clearly not one of the Faceless/Unbroken.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 10:31, 23 December 2006 (EST)

Dumb question, but why he is called the Faceless One? Heck, why are the faceless ones called faceless ones? They look like they have faces to me.--Austin P 16:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Elemental Lieutenant?
Forgive my ignorance, but has anyone voiced the idea that perhaps Hakkar is the Elemental Lord of the Wilds? The 5 Shamanistic Spirits each have a corrsponding "Lord" that serves the old gods, except for the Wilds. This would tie in to the idea that he might be an Old god or the son of an Old God. Just as the Dark iron dwarves might worship Ragnarros as a god, perhaps Hakkar convinced the Trolls to worship him in a similiar manner.--User:Chickamauga 15:33, 26 March 2008 (EST)

Sounds acceptable, except for the facts that there aren't any wild elementals (as far as I know). Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 09:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nor are the four Elemental Lords tied to specific Old Gods. The four of them served all five of the Old Gods. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Player's fault
Shouldn't it say in wiki that Hakkar's return to Azeroth is actually "heroes" fault? It comes clear when we do the Yeh'kinya quest line and later confront him about it http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=8181

"Blizzard Cross-Overs" section
Where does this information come from? I have never heard of any of the claims made in this section. (And the base model of Hakkar is a naga...) Rutéa (talk) 02:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Citations?
I think it would be a good idea to cite the direct quotations from the in-game book "Wrath of Soulflayer." (IE, everything from "The long centuries following the Great Sundering were difficult ones for the troll race" to "the trolls succeeded in destroying Hakkar's avatar and banishing him from the world." I was wondering where that lore came from. Siadea (talk) 03:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he's just in league with the Old Gods?
There's a lot of speculation that's been going around that he's descended from or is an Old God. He seems to lack the power to be one. And since there is a wind serpent loa in Northrend who also is very malicious to those who haven't worked for her, could this just mean Hakkar's one very bad loa that is working with the Old Gods? And could it be that he has such strong ties with them that he considers himself to be like one? Which could explain why he's been referred to by trolls and such as things that have described Old Gods. He seems to be a loa, purely, and not an Old God at all. Obviously I can't cite anything because nothing has been stated and I'm remaining speculative. But it seems like common sense to me that he just works with these ultimate evils and isn't actually one of them. Mykael Mourningsun (talk) 05:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm loathe to say that he's an Old God, simply because he doesn't seem to fit the Lovecraftian style of the two revealed so far. I'm more inclined to believe he is either the creation of an Old God, in league with one or my personal choice, an Old God 'projecting' an imitation of the Troll blood god for its own purposes - one that will be revealed in time. Metalmunki (talk) 02:37, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Loa of Blood
"The Vilebranch trolls here were always worshippers of the foul god Hakkar, the loa of blood. He was a sick and twisted entity that nearly broke through to our world, but he was defeated long ago." Egrem (talk) 06:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.wowhead.com/quest=26524

Status
Edited status to reflect his current situation. Aphetoros (talk) 02:30, 29 April 2011 (UTC)