Talk:Kalimdor

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erhm...where's the map?? Shandris 05:27, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

Map
That map shows regions not continents. There is no Mulgore continent. Those are regions aka zones. Also, I have cited that Teldrassil is an island continent on the Teldrassil page. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 04:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Continent
What is your major malfunction? An island continent is a continent. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 05:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Iceland is considered an "island continent" by some people. However that doesn't make it one of the main "continents". For that matter a subcontinent depending on person's definition is also a type of continent.


 * In anycase if you are going to quote from a source, you need to quote things far more precisely (don't just call it a "continent" and leave of the "island" part). Besides later sources discuss the "southern kalimdor, northern kalimdor, and central kalimdor continents" the continents of Kalimdor. They are continents in the way that europe is connected to asia. Although some call that the continent of eurasia.Baggins (talk) 05:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You know what? I am logging off. I am not going to spend 80% of my time arguing and 20% contributing. I know I made some mistakes but your just looking for mistakes where there are none. You say one thing to me about speculation and fallacies then turn around and tell me "well some people say Iceland is an island continent and its not so Teldrassil isn't either". I put the citation, the source, and the kitchen sink. It says Teldrassil is an island continent. You use a map that says nothing about subcontinents and put on the page that they are subcontinents. I find a map just like yours and say something about it and you start with your "that is out of context I am right you are wrong". Bye.    Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25x25px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 05:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Goodbye, have a safe one.Baggins (talk) 05:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * After further research in World of Warcraft RPG Corebook, I notice that the book describes Teldrassil as simply an island, northwest of Kalimdor, in another section of the book, see page 19. Most other later books, and most sources in general simply call Teldrassil simply an island. Lands of mystery even states it is a "mid-sized island" (a mid-sized island is considerably smaller than a continent). We aren't going to allow the change of the context of an article to allow a single obscure reference take precedence over all the references that state things differently.


 * Besides the fact that you took things out of almost complete context by stating that WoWRPG Corebook states that "kalimdor is made up of two continents, Kalimdor and Teldrassil". It doesn't state any such thing. ON page 19, it says Teldrassil is off the coast of Kalimdor (I.E its seperated from the continent, not part of it). Page 38, doesn't even remotely state that Teldrassil is part of Kalimdor, it doesn't even mention Kalimdor. These are several problems with the edit to the article that you tried to pass off as fact.Baggins (talk) 07:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Teldrassil isn't even an island. It's a tree. Jormungand01 (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Minimap
I put together diferent minimaps to make what should be Kalimdor from above:

And i wanted to know if I should add it.Draco-25 (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Continents
I don't think super region is a term used by Warcraft is it? The way I read that source, which by the way still does not mention any names, is western and eastern continents as in the plural meaning of western continent plus eastern continent which would be written western and eastern continents. If we include Northen Kalimdor, Southern Kalimdor, etc. which are all lower case in the text then we would have to include eastern Kalimdor, western Kalimdor, etc. which are also mentioned in the RPG. Also, Quel'Thalas would have to be counted. Durotar and Mulgore are just zones and they were emphasized on the map because the whole RPG is about the settling of Kalimdor by the Taurens in Mulgore, the Orcs in Durotar, and the elves in Mount Hyjal. Just a thought. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 11:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually the quote is "... and western continents". The book and other sources does talk about the "eastern continents" multiple times however. There is not a single continent in the east. Super region is descriptive meaning, it means to encompass more than one region (its descriptive to point out that there is a difference, please avoid fighting over semantic issues). Remember it is ok to paraphrase things, and describe things in our own words, rather than plagiarize direct quotes. Point of note we have already tried to point this out to you in the past "continent" has more than one meaning, so please try to avoid "semantic" wars.


 * Northern Kalimdor, Southern Kalimdor, and Central Kalimdor are described both upper case and lower case depending on the reference, and maps (they are interchangeable). They are also major chapter names.


 * "While Northern Kalimdor is probably where the Alliance is strongest overall, that still isn’t saying much.", "One can find most of the Argent Dawn in the Plaguelands and Northern Kalimdor, addressing the specific threats of the undead Scourge and the Burning Legion (respectively)."


 * "Fresh water is a precious resource in Central Kalimdor; small pools dot the land, but there are few major bodies of water.", "Trolls also fight from the air. These rare trolls tamed the volatile vampire bats of Zul’Aman and Southern Kalimdor, convincing the bloodthirsty beasts to bear them into combat.


 * "One of the Cenarion Circle’s archdruids, the tauren Hamuul Runetotem, operates out of Thunder Bluff, in Southern Kalimdor, in the Elder Rise.", "Nighthaven is a central point for the Cenarion Circle’s activities in Northern Kalimdor, and many Cenarion Circle operatives meet there every day.


 * "...and that their presence in Southern Kalimdor is a harbinger of an impending qiraji invasion.", "In the deserts of Southern Kalimdor live a tribe of brown-skinned trolls with tough hides, able to withstand the driving sands of the desert winds"


 * "They are common in Northern Kalimdor."


 * "Highlord Dimitrian lives in the mountains of Silithus in Southern Kalimdor."
 * Etc, etc.-Baggins (talk) 23:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok I switched it. I meant it said "eastern and western continents". I am just saying that it says "continents" because eastern and western are in the same sentence so the plural would be "continents". They would not write it as "the eastern continent and the western continent" when they can just write "the eastern and western continents". Now the actual RPGs that include the maps of Northern, Southern, Central etc. Kalimdor do not say anything about them being continents in the text. Lest this become an argument, I will summarize my thoughts in five sentences.


 * 1.) I have gone through every RPG and am 99% sure of what I will be saying in my second, third, fourth, and fifth sentences. 2.) The number of sources mentioning "western continents" is about the same number of sources mentioning "Teldrassil the island continent", and we all know how that was received. 3.) I have found 0 sources with the words "continent" and North, South, Central etc. Kalimdor in the same sentence anywhere, unless you have something to show, but I have found the word "continent" in the same sentence as Kalimdor many times. 4.) So, if we go by sources mentioning North, South, Central etc. Kalimdor together with the word "continent", we have 0 sources, and if we go by sources mentioning "western continents", which by the way you find in the sentence "eastern and western continents", then we should call Teldrassil a continent also. 5.) Kalimdor is one single continent, unless you want to count Teldsrassil, if you by the number of times you see the word "continent" in the same sentence with any other word having to do with the western landmass. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Note, Teldrassil, check out the geography section.Baggins (talk) 05:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I know Teldrassil is on there but it is regulated to the bottom of the page while North, Central, South, etc. Kalimdor is regulated to the top of the page even though they have the same number of sources found. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 05:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Because every other zone page of Kalimdor has it own seperate geography sections. Teldrassil gets its own unique page, and thus a geography section because its a stand-alone region. A page that lumps together more than one zone isn't going to get its own geography page, because people can go look at the seperate regions to see read the geography for themselves.Baggins (talk) 05:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well at least in that one source it says "the island continent of Teldrassil" versus no "continent" words connected to North, Central, South, etc. Kalimdor. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I must beg pardon because I am a noob here guys, and I think all this discussion of continents is really wonderful, but I must say I have always thought of Teldrassil as well, a big...tree. Now granted, I only play and have only ever played the online game, and I am just now beginning to read the novels, so possibly my information is limited, but it seems to me from the stories represented in the questline that Teldrassil is not a continent or really any form of actual landmass, just a really, really big...tree. Ofcourse that then begs the question, can a tree reach such a huge size that it may be classified as a landmass? Well, I leave that up to you experts to decide. In the humble minds of my questing toons, Teldrassil will ever be a most magnificent (and very large) tree. Oh, and also I have a question, that which actually brought me to this page and this marvelous discussion...Has anyone ever seen/know where I can find, in any source, a map of Kalimdor BEFORE the Great Sundering? I have been searching many numerous online sources and they always bring me back to post-sundering Kalimdor. Thanks! Kasman785 (talk) 16:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)JK
 * No official maps exist of pre-sundering Kalimdor. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, DTZ. Do any "unofficial" maps of pre-sunder Kalimdor exist? ThanksKasman785 (talk) 19:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)Kasman785
 * It's possible, but I don't know of any. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 10:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have ever seen one, fanart. Don't know where anymorewhere, Google or DeviantArt. I might gonna search tomorrow and place it here for ya. (Luxor (talk) 21:30, 29 January 2011 (UTC))
 * Found it: Ancient Kalimdor Final.jpg

(Luxor (talk) 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC))

Dungeons section
Dont list uldum as a dungeon. Its not a dungeon its a zone. There are 3 dungeons in uldum but its not a dungeon. You might as well say that orgrimmar is a dungeon because that where RFC is!Almasa (talk) 15:11, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Zone list
It slightly bothers me that we don't have a zone list clearly linked in the article text. Yes, there is a template at the bottom, but it's not very noticeable. I think perhaps a section should be made just to link the Northern, Central and Southern Kalimdor pages. (Same for the EK article). 11:32, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ruler
Uh, should someone fix the fact that in the 'Ruler' section (which, for the record, is slightly improper grammar due to the title Ruler instead of Rulers), while it shows that Cairne Bloodhoof is getting replaced with Baine in Cataclysm, it doesn't mention that Grom is taking over Thrall's throne, which should be mentioned if Cairne is mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * Hasn't happened yet, so it doesn't look like it needs fixing. 03:10, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't we just put down Jaina an Tyrande for the Alliance and Garrosh for the Horde? Those others are just minor leaders, right? (Luxor (talk) 06:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC))