Talk:Furbolg ideas

There is 1 thing you seem to forget though. a LOT of furbolgs are Shamans. Obviously the alliance wouldnt get shamans as a class,, druids perhaps, but definitely no shamans.Though at the same time,, giving the alliance shamans,, and giving the horde paladins ( not likely ) would sure give a "WHAT ??" reaction from many CJ 10:42, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)
 * ^--- This is really funny, reading it now. :-D That's pretty much exactly what the reaction was... --Azaram 08:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * One thing that many people seem to forget is that Blizzard has stated that the new race will be comething completely new. There's too many Furbolgs around, and the models are actually quite good (unlike the ugly current Blood Elf NPCs in Azshara).  I highly doubt that it could be Furbolgs. --Corath 10:47, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)


 * I have to disagree - Blizzard said that it would be a race currently in-game, and I've seen no evidence to the contrary. As for 'too many furbolgs around' - you're right. And having the same identical loincloth and feathered necklace arrangement for all three hundred or so is wearing a bit thin. So, give them a new model that can have armour applied and tadaa! - the furbolgs become more interesting.
 * As for shamans, read the post and the 'Furbolg Q and A' - http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Rumored_Races/Archive#Furbolg_Q_and_A - and hopefully that will remove all doubts. --Vorbis 17:47, 6 March 2006 (GMT)


 * For anyome who likes to watch the landscape as they fly from one location from another (and plays Alliance) might notice an encampment in the mountains between Darkshore and Moonglade. It appears to be a kind of primative village, which could possibley be Furbolg in nature.
 * The K horde races share a common 10-20 area, perhaps a tunnel could lead the furbolg north to said village, and another down to Darkshore, where they could join their former allies the Night Elves in some 10-20 questing. A lot of the quests in the area could fit for a Furbolg aspect as well. (trying to figure out curruption, etc etc.)
 * Or as the rumor suggests, a whole area could be in the Hyjal area for them to do those levels and than join the Night Elves upon reaching Ashenvale. --RayneShikama 2:36, 5 April 2006 (PST)


 * It's troll architecture and it's also inhabited by trolls... though I agree totally with your ideas, this village is undeniably trollish. However, I think that the Dark Trolls will be the major 'starting area baddie' race amd that hopefully this village will be open to attack. Oh, and thanks for the activity on the main page y'all. :D --Vorbis 10:00, 7 April 2006 (GMT)


 * A backstory for the furbolg needs to be written. Blizzard will not use this backstory, but if we can come up with one, then this idea is more plausible.

I just have to laugh at the relocation to 'Furbolg Rumor'. It's my English spelling dammit! ;D --Vorbis


 * Yeah, if most of them ended in our, I probably would have left them, but only one out of six or seven was. BTW -- Learn to spell! It's your language after all. lol Schmidt 14:31, 15 June 2006 (EDT)


 * Rawr, dammit! I want english english, not pseudo messed-with 'american' english! :) -- Kirkburn 16:46, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

Suggested lore?
Since someone suggested having a test lore, I have obliged. Enjoy! -- Mastia

I've moved it to its own article so as not to confuse speculation with fiction. Nevetheless, great (and very plausible!) storyline Mastia. Just one question... how can the Timbermaw deny the existence of any other uncorrupted tribes when they know of the furbolg alliance in the Barrow Deeps - though I guess this can be solved with a retcon? --Vorbis

Thanks for moving it Vorbis, that does keep things neat :) It could indeed be solved with a retcon, but I did explain why they deny the existence of the other tribes - Celeritas asked them to, in order to protect Urstaran from uninvited guests. So the Timbermaw claim that they alone are uncorrupted, so no-one goes looking for the free-Kingdom.

"Still Celeritas resolved that he would keep no-one within Urstaran against their will and so he permitted Gorn and his people to leave, so long as they sealed and guarded the exit tunnels behind them and refused to tell any outsiders, even Night Elves, about the Furbolgs’ new home" --Mastia

Yes, but everyone's going to know it exists after the furbolgs come out of hiding aren't they? Ah, what the hell, I shouldn't be nitpicking at a piece of fiction... --Vorbis

Oh I see... well there would need to be a minor rewrite of some of the Timbermaw Quests - but nothing major. But it wouldn't be a retcon, just an adjustment -- Mastia

Furbolg Fansite?
I've just created a freewebs site of the address www.freewebs.com/furbolg. I'm at a bit of a loss for what to put on it however. I guess lore, fanfics and a petition to put them in the game... but I'd like to know how many people would be interested before I invest much time in it though :D

So what do you all think? Good idea or not? - Mastia

EDIT: I'm also going photo hunting in Azeroth... I'm in Azshara right now... are there any piccies we need of Ursolan or Timbermaw Hold you'd like me to get while I'm exploring?

Obviously, I'd be pretty interested in this, and any photos you can get would be good. Well done! Vive la furbolg! :D --Vorbis

Does anyone have any of the lore books? We need the info for the lore pages -- Mastia

I take it this never came into fruition. --

Pointlessnes
What? "Furbolg Rumor"?

1. This isn't a rumor, it's suggestions/speculation

2. There is no page for other possible WoW races, (Naga, Nerubian, High Elf, etc.), so either we should delete this page, or add pages for the other races, prefferably the latter

3. Isn't this kinda pointless?


 * edit* I moved this page to Furbolg_Speculation, and am about to make some pages for other races. Saimdusan


 * No, Simdusan, it isn't pointless and in any case speculation pages aren't against the wowwiki rules so under no circumstances should this page be deleted. By the way, I honestly don't see the point in moving this to 'Furbolg Speculation', because frankly all the other race speculation pages are also named '(Race Name) Rumor' (See Rumored Races). I'm moving this back - the name change is unneeded. Don't be so pedantic... --Vorbis


 * Sorry. I'm new to WoWWiki and was expecting a Wikipedia just centred around WoW. And also I didn't know about the other races. Saimdusan


 * Well, it is centred around WoW, in that it's about the whole World of Warcraft, not just the game. :) -- Kirkburn  (talk) 10:14, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

Exactly, what I meant was Wikipedia standards. Saimdusan


 * Why thank you for the pseudo-insult ;) We're more relaxed than wikipedia here, mainly because this is about a game and we deal with fiction and rumours all the time, so a change like you suggested wasn't really needed ... unless the whole lot is moved and split up for consistency, of course. As Vorbis mentioned, it's a valid page, even if the title may seem slightly off - but in our world, speculation and rumor often come together. I hope that helps? --  Kirkburn  (talk) 20:10, 19 September 2006 (EDT)

Stillpine?
With the appearance of Alliance friendly Furbolgs in Azuremyst, it seems highly likely that the Furbolgs will be encorporated as a subsidiary player race (like the trolls or gnomes) at some point in the future... does anyone have any information on the Stillpine?

Not very likely; from what I've seen in the beta test, it seems that the Stillpine furbolgs only exist so that the Draenei player can be their "Promised One", and that you can follow their blasted totems all across Azuremyst Isle and save them from the beasties inside the Hold. That and it's unfeasable for a couple of reasons: One, there are a lot of furbolgs in various points - all of them in Kalimdor, to no one's surprise. Two, armor...while I am sure you could tweak the model to wear it, I think a giant bipedal bear in armor would inspire more amusement than fear, wouldn't you say? And lastly - who would you add Horde side? *shrug* Just a thought. (And to those who have said having them as shamans is not feasible - cross-faction classes is apparently doable now, considering.) --Joshmaul 06:39, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Hmmm... I'm afraid I don't really see any of those points as viable reasons why furbolgs should not be included as a race. Just opinions. --Vorbis


 * Furbolgs are still as viable race as any for the Alliance. They are traditional friends of night elves, they are now also on close terms with the draenei, and they have a strong druidic tradition. In an Emerald Dream expansion, Furbolg, Dryad, Satyr and other night elf-related races are strong candidates for inclusion. I don't see how a humanoid bear in armor is any worse than a humanoid cow in armor. --Varghedin 00:11, 29 December 2006 (CET)


 * Now how about the Horde race for an Emerald Dream expansion? Personally, I don't think Blizz will be able to pull it off without at least a recognizable amount of invention on the spot, which is really too bad. They should have introduced a few druidic races ahead of time. :P Also, I was thinking, they could balance out warriors in the factions by saying that the furbolg tribe that they introduce is traditionally pacifistic, and untrained in the arts of war. Shamans could be used to further balance out Alliance and Horde. Just trying to be helpful here. And in spite of what Blizzard thinks, we don't really need a bunch of races with six-class options. Not really. I was thinking, for the Furbolgs: Rogue, Shaman, Druid, Hunter, Priest. Warlocks makes no sense to me, because they would be considered affiliated with the Legion, and the Furbolgs would have no part with that particular group. Actually, I would imagine that Warlocks would be murdered by Furbolgs. Now, to keep things balanced, whatever the Horde gets should have warriors, no warlocks, and perhaps even paladins. Oh, and they should be short. Hmm... perhaps a race of fey druidic people? Also, for continent balance, we can introduce an isolated region of the East for the Horde race, and Hyjal for the Furbolgs. I know that then, Kalimdor will be weighted towards Alliance and the East towards Horde, but nobody visits Silvermoon or the Exodar except for Jewelcrafting and Paladin/Shaman training, anyway. -Akaji, 9:31, 4 March 2007 (EST)


 * Well, I can have a decent stab at guessing what the next player race will be. Personally, I don't think Blizzard should not let Furbolgs be warriors - sorry Akaji. It's just that they are always portrayed as a warrior-race and it is a bit of a stretch that big-hulking bear men couldn't grab a sword and start smacking things with it. Warlocks, however, we agree upon ^^. Basically - I can see Furbolgs adding both shamanic goodness and a nice bestial race to the Alliance. The Furbolgs would definately work in the Emerald Dream Expansion (which, odds are, will probably be the next one, as Blizzard have already said that we won't be able to kill Arthas at level 80.) I personally think the starting zone could very well not be on Azeroth, but instead be in the Emerald Dream itself - when one thinks about how big the place is, it certainly doesn't seem too unlikely. Also, I cannot see Blizzard creating another expansion with new races while expecting people to do all the same quests all over again - therefore, I can see an entirely new series of zones going from 1 all the way to 70 being brought in for our gaming pleasure. Of course, there is no space currently on Azeroth, so they will most likely be in the "new" continent - i.e. the Emerald Dream. So, on to the new Horde race. Short? Fey? Druidic? Connected to the Emerald Dream? How about sprites? They fit all of the above. I can personally see blizz bringing in a druidic race, beautiful, but still shorter than humans, for the next expansion on the Horde side. Wings out anyone? - Mastia 20:50, 29 December 2006 (GMT)

You seem to forget sprites are grell aka big(er) green red and maby blue (based on the vile familiar {Ok I must have gotten the link wrong because I know I found that page} halfway mark race) hornless not-on-fire imps and alltogether NOT prety

Grizzlemaw Furbolgs
Added a bit about the Grizzlemaw furbolgs in Northrend, very little info lore-wise has been provided for them up to this point, but they could be another suitable furbolg population to play as they are considered being in the seat of all furbolg culture, according to their article. I am assuming these furbolgs are different than the feral polar furbolgs, as the names "Grizzlemaw" and their home "Grizzly Hills" seem to imply a grizzly bear-type furbolg. --Korgo 19:24, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Sorry, is there a reason as to why there is no longer any mention of the Grizzlemaw in this article? They seem to be a likely candidate for playable furbolgs as their civilization is considered to be the seat of Furbolg culture, and they appear to be uncorrupted. --Korgo (talk) 17:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Furbolg argument
I settled on 'furbolg argument' as a suitable title for the article, as unlike other 'ideas' pages this speculation page is entirely based on fact.--

"Ugly" vs. "pretty" races
If it's debatable that draenei are "pretty," I'd say that it's equally debatable that trolls are "ugly." (Google "cutefase troll" to see why.) That said, I really don't think furbolgs are "ugly" enough to be "out-of-place" Alliance-side (which I've heard is a common argument against them) if they were implemented. 00:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Female draenei and female trolls are pretty, imo.Baggins (talk)


 * Female ogres?? Where? 00:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Pretty ugly ;).Baggins (talk) 00:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think there are female ogres in the game...unless the species is completely devoid of dimorphism.


 * And admittedly, it could be argued that male draenei and trolls are...well...scary-looking. Which could be why the "prettiness" of draenei is debatable.  00:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Race Icon Ogre Female Small, made by the master of icons, Varghedin. 00:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That image is from WC:O&H, and therefore likely obsolete. The ogre page states that female ogres haven't actually appeared in any of the Warcraft games.  00:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It is only obsolete if an updated one came out.-- 00:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Or it represents an individual. Alot of characters do not look like their in-game counterparts in the published lore, there is alot more variation amongst members of a race, bot described or shown in artwork.Baggins (talk) 00:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Or it may just be a red herring. 01:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "red herring"? Female ogres exist according to lore.Baggins (talk) 01:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant that specific image may be a red herring, seeing as female ogres (much less anything resembling the O&H manual image) haven't appeared in any of the games. (If female ogres look like that, it would make ogres more dimorphic than draenei or trolls, which is saying something.  But that's another discussion in its own right.)  01:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well the only thing as ugly as that image that appear in Warcraft I include the ogres, and the orc griselda. I suppose. We know they aren't super dimorphic, ogres are around the same height both males and females. Sorry, can't give you weight figures, that would take some work to do the math. In anycase even the rpg books call the orc race as a whole pretty ugly. (unsigned post)


 * There's ogre-ugly, and then there's "mo'arg are cute by comparison." That thing fits into the second category.


 * Also, there are different sorts of "ugly." For example, neither an ogre nor a male naga is going to win any beauty contests...but they look very different.  That thing bears no resemblance to a WoW ogre...more like a combination of the aforementioned mo'arg, a Lost One, and the female troll model from the WoW alpha.  I'd have an easier time believing it as a female Amani or Shadowpine troll.  04:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * So, tell me again what this has to do with furbolgs? -- 22:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Baggins said "ogre" when he meant "troll." A tangent happened.  01:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Vorbis good point. BTW Qitel, you probably don't remember the ogres in the mine with Griselda they were incredibly ugly compared to most of the later ogre artwork. The female above actually has the general facial structure, and similar mouth of the WC1 ogre graphic.Baggins (talk) 22:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I admittedly didn't get that far into O&H (the only RTS that's held my interest very long has been Majesty). If O&H ogres looked like that, it's probably safe to say that the species has had an appearance retcon.  Because that thing still looks much more like a forest troll than a WoW ogre.  (I've also heard it claimed that that's supposed to be Griselda.)


 * But until female ogres are officially put in the game, I suppose we'll never know.


 * By the way, I'm not sure why people keep abbreviating my screen name to "Qitel," seeing as my sig should make the breakdown clear enough...


 * Anyway...furbolgs. A "furry" race for the Alliance, to balance out the tauren, would be nice.  (Despite what some people may claim, I don't think draenei look particularly animalistic...but that's a separate rant.)


 * Of course, Blizzard would then have to give the Horde a "cute" race. And I don't think sprites qualify; they're grotesque.  01:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There are no forest trolls in O&H, and forest troll from Warcraft II on look nothing like her, not even remotely. Male ogres in various sources have a variety of appearances actually. Generally speaking its the ogre heads that have variety, some with horns, some without, some with one eyes, some with two. Ogres with one head some with two, etc. Her facial features resembles a few of the later head variations, as well as the one headed ogres in Warcraft O&H.Baggins (talk) 01:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Now you're nit-picking details that are beside the point, while ignoring other details. And ignoring my attempt to turn the topic back to furbolgs, while you're at it.  07:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not forgetting any details. I was listing the ogre-like details, based on huge number of artwork I've seen over the years in games, RPG, and other Blizzard sources. Since there are no other female ogre artwork to judge by I can hardly compare female anatomy to the male ogres (if you meant the hair, well hair varies per ogre as well at least in artwork). However, there are no female trolls remotely similar to the Warcraft I ogre, facial or female anatomy, and since trolls are not part of Warcraft I the artwork is not connected to them so that leaves eitehr orcs or ogres, and the two represenations of the orcs/half-orc isn't very similar to that picture (the ogres on the other hand yes)... and furbolg eh... cute, ugly who cares.Baggins (talk) 07:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't say that you were forgetting anything. I said that you were ignoring something.  There's a difference.


 * And if you have no opinion on furbolgs—the subject of this discussion—why are you even watching this page? 07:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Racial mount ideas?
I'm not sure if this has been discussed, or if this is the right place to discuss it. But I'm interested in speculating what the playable Furbolg racial mount would be.

My current idea is a giant scarab such as seen in Tanaris/Silithus as well as Anub'arak adds in TotC. At first this may seem unsuitable for Furbolgs, but if you think about where they have possibly been living for many years - Barrow Deeps - it makes sense they might encounter and domesticate these underground beetles.

Besides, I can't think of any other suitable mount, and any playable race must have one. Bears have been used thoroughly, stags are too lanky...any other ideas?

Starvethedead (talk) 17:53, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Revisiting this idea, I suppose it's entirely possible there could be some type of stag with a heftier build that would be able to support a Furbolg's weight. Maybe even Shoveltusks, especially if the playable faction ends up being from Grizzly Hills.

Starvethedead (talk) 20:21, March 5, 2010 (UTC)