Talk:Troll

Related to NEs?
Every time I visit a page, there is no disscussion. Why?

Also, who votes trolls and night elfs are related? Charred But Alive 11:29, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

I'd say odds on are that they are related at some point. I thought I'd throw out something historical here. I know that according to a lot of WoW info Trolls are canabals. Just as a note, the notion of savage groups of people slaughtering humans for food is pretty much the subject of legend. Canabalism typically involved the eating of a small part of an honored dead's body in order to carry their spirit forward. This is probably what most Trolls practiced. Just thought I'd throw that to the wolves.

I thought I'd add that Trolls are my favorite Horde race. They seem to have the strongest cultural developement of any of them next to Tauren, who rank up there on my favorites to play. -- bridgettebeneshe


 * Because both races were in Kalimdor at the same time, there is a possible relation. Not to mention that it says (somewhere, sorry forgot) that a group of trolls went to settle by the lake in the center of the continent, aka the night elves. BTW bridgettebeneshe sign your post w/ four ~s in a row w/ no spaces. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

Bow Specialization?
Why do the Trolls get bow specialization as a racial trait? Saimdusan

Simple answer? Because throwing weapons was an incredibly stupid racial. Lorewise I have no idea what could justify it. I vaguely remember night elves having a +5 bow racial around the beta.--Grid 00:48, 20 November 2006 (EST)


 * Every Troll before WoW used throwing weapons, except for one spellcaster (the Witchdoctor).

Shadow Hunter. Wc2 Axethrower. Headhunter. Forest/Dark/Ice Troll creeps. Batrider. All of 'em. Saimdusan 02:34, 7 December 2006 (EST)

You can't seriously be suggesting they get rid of +5 bows?--Grid 03:52, 7 December 2006 (EST)


 * If throwing weapons got revamped so that they're on par with bows, why Trolls would need bows then? --Sul&#39;jin 20:30, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Length?
How can Trolls be shorter than both Tauren and Night Elves? Whoever wrote that obviously never have played WoW.--Odolwa 00:58, 1 December 2006 (EDT)


 * Double-check the numbers before you start throwing accusations; the night elf article lists them at 7 feet, six inches shorter than the troll.--Ragestorm 19:11, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Oh, I'm sorry about that. But still, it feels a bit strange that a Tauren would be taller than an upright standing Troll. Is this information official (if so, what's the source?) or is it pure speculation?.--Odolwa 17:23, 1 December 2006 (EST)


 * I wouldn't say "pure" speculation, that's unfair. Why does it seem strange? --Ragestorm 13:09, 1 December 2006 (EST)

According to the RPG, trolls range between 7-10 feet, not counting the dire troll variety.Baggins 13:27, 1 December 2006 (EST)

It's strange because if you compare a troll side by side with a tauren, they are the same height (The males that is. The females don't slouch). In their idle animation when they stand up, straighten their backs and roll their shoulders they are easily a head higher than taurens.--Grid 04:28, 2 December 2006 (EST)

dude if you look in the WoW manual there is a page with all the playable races's hights Umbera 04:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but those don't really seem to be accurate to the game itself. Humans are only slightly more than half as tall as Tauren (I don't care, I like the capital. :-p) and undead, which came from humans, about the same; figuring most male human/undead as 6 feet, a male Tauren would be around 12 feet tall. When they stand up, male trolls are at least as tall, if not slightly taller than Tauren, indeed. --Azaram 09:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Racenames
Is this article about Island/Darkspear Trolls specifically, or Trolls in general? --Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 11:15, 28 December 2006 (EST)
 * Trolls in general, which includes Darkspear Trolls here. -- T inker  er  11:19, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Call me nitpicky, but I think that should be changed. I mean, yes, they're called Trolls in the manual and on the char creation screen, but Forsaken are also called Undead, and they have separate articles. Especially when the article is about all trolls, but the racebox is about Horde trolls. We'll need, say, Troll (general) for the general race and Troll (Horde) or Darkspear Trolls.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 11:23, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * I agree, the Horde trolls and trolls in general should be separated. -- Kirkburn  (talk) 11:26, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Right then: launching Bookkeepers/Operation Darkspear.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 11:34, 28 December 2006 (EST)
 * Darkspear Troll and Troll, I'd say. Agreed about the rest. -- T inker  er  11:35, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Then some poor fellow is gong to need to need to go through articles making sure that all references to playable trolls, not the general article.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 11:39, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Troll (player race)? Infact we could do that for every player race, so that we could seperate gameplay from lore.Baggins 11:47, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Absolutely not. It's going to be Troll and Darkspear Troll.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 11:51, 28 December 2006 (EST)

If you're gonna separate the Trolls into different articles, you will have to do the same with all other races. Not all humans are part of the playable humans (Syndicate, Scarlet Crusade, etc.), not all Tauren are (Grimtotem). Same with Orcs (Blackrock clan), Dwarves (Dark Iron clan). So please keep it in one article, or else it will be mighty confusing. I would also suggest mixing the "Forsaken"-article with the "Undead"-article, making "Undead" the main-article. After all, Forsaken is the name of the faction, not the race itself.--Odolwa 17:51, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Alright. Ragestorm, I just hope that the gamers who care nothing about lore, and just think of the player trolls as trolls, don't get confused and start adding in info about player trolls back into the trolls category. That could be a poential headache.Baggins 11:54, 28 December 2006 (EST)

I had a similar problem when making categories for the various troll tribes. How would we treat category:trolls, category:jungle trolls or potentially category:Darkspear trolls? I made cats for ice trolls, sand trolls, and forest trolls, but jungle trolls was a whole nother box of sharp objects... --Varghedin 18:01, 28 December 2006 (CET)

If they care nothing about lore, and don't have the eyes to see that this is a lore article, then their edits will borderline vandalism. Proceed is you wish, though- I'll see what the result's like.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 12:05, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * For sanity's sake, I say Trolls should be about the playable race, Darkspear Trolls, and redirect to Trolls (playable) (or similar, or in fact just to Darkspear Trolls) with a disambig at the top saying "Did you want the article about Trolls in general", linking to a pagename something like Trolls (species). -- Kirkburn  (talk) 12:15, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Agree with Kirkburn, this Wiki is supposed to be accessible and easy-navigated by everyone, not just us lore-fanatics ;).--Odolwa 18:21, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Indeed. Note that I am not saying the article Trolls should be about the playable race, but that it should redirect to the playable race page. That way, visitors learn the correct name and at the same time are still only one click away from the general troll article (via the disambig). -- Kirkburn  (talk) 12:40, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Ya, I agree.Baggins 12:41, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * This could also be applied to Tauren, though in that case it is less clear-cut. -- Kirkburn  (talk) 12:48, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * This can apply to almost every playable race in the game. Just that we have so much more information about the troll compare to other races. (e.g. Troll Compendium, every quest of ZG/ZF) --Voidvector 13:11, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Excellent. And no need to fiddle with the other player race pages. --Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 17:23, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Oh, there is alot more info in the RPG for tauren, if I ever get around to catalogueing it... But we can worry about splitting the pages when that time comes... :p... Same goes for the other races.Baggins 17:26, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * I'm starting to curse whoever though up with that Light-forsaken RPG in the first place. --Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper


 * I think it might be Metzen actually, or at least he was involved, he wrote a forward letter for one of the books, and talks about it in interviews, and "making of" videos, LOL. Ah you know you like learning more lore ;). LOLBaggins 17:34, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Oh ya there is a rumor that Garona was Metzen's half-orc DnD character before she was adapted into the first Warcraft game. Of course I've never been able to verify this rumor, so it won't be going in any articles while I'm on watch :p.Baggins 17:37, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Sounds possible, even if it's extreme speculation. She's been a very 'ethereal' character for a while, more an idea than a someone really specific. -- Kirkburn  (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Maybe put the playable trolls into "Island Trolls" category - I don't remember having any other troll tribes except Darkspears being Island Trolls. You can have then have "Trolls" page as general, or redirecting to "Island Trolls", and general info to "Trolls (general)" or something similar. It could of course be still "Darkspear Trolls", as they are even more appriopriate, but if Island Trolls was used, we could leave Darkspear to the Lore. Or the other way.
 * "If you're gonna separate the Trolls into different articles, you will have to do the same with all other races. Not all humans are part of the playable humans (Syndicate, Scarlet Crusade, etc.), not all Tauren are (Grimtotem). Same with Orcs (Blackrock clan), Dwarves (Dark Iron clan). (cut) --Odolwa 17:51, 28 December 2006 (EST)
 * Well, everywhere are some black sheep, even individuals from the Darkspear Trolls. (e.g. Zalazane). There's no need to go so much into details. --Sul&#39;jin 20:29, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Is even the name "Island Troll" an official term, or just a term invented on WoWWiki? Darkspear tribe doesn't even live on islands anymore.--Odolwa 02:31, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Island troll was what Darkspear was called back in Warcraft 3 because they lived on that small island out in the maelstrom. Yes they are still Jungle Trolls more than Island Trolls. The warcraft 3 manual even states they had originally been from Stranglethorn.Baggins 20:48, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Why are sand trolls in misc. as Sandfury trolls. In the troll compendium that Blizzard released, it states that the race is called Sand trolls and that Sandfury is a tribe, not the race itself. I think this is quite a big mistake lore wise and it would be nice to edit. Maybe even their own little space at the bottom of the page (the table thing).


 * Sign your posts. This is a three part retcon or updated lore information. Basically it started out that the race were called Sandfury, then the rpg first established them as "desert trolls" in Lands of Mystery. Then the troll compendium was released, it called them "sand trolls", but stated that sandfury was the only one of its race. Monster Guide is the latest source, it states that they are only tribe of their kind, and that they are but a small or anomalous offshoot of one of the more common troll races, I.E forest trolls, jungle trolls, or ice trolls. It is the source that states that sandfury is the true title for the subrace. Because all three names are names for the exact same tribe, then lore is exact same and was merged into Sandfury to avoid redundant information. Sand trolls, desert trolls and sandfury all lead to the same article because all three are alternate names for the same group.Baggins 11:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Titles?
"One with the Voodoo"? Sounds a bit wierd... What are those funny titles for anyway? --Sul&#39;jin 19:17, 29 December 2006 (EST)


 * Flavour text. :) -- Kirkburn  (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2006 (EST)


 * Ok, just gotta come up with something better for the trolls... --Sul&#39;jin 19:28, 29 December 2006 (EST)

My apologies it's the best I could come up with at the time. If something better comes to you than the generic "islanders of Darkspear", by all means, change it. I kept picturing the witch doctor from War3 going "You come get da Voodoo..."--Zexx 22:42, 29 December 2006 (EST)

I need to see if there is a catchy title mentioned or implied in the Horde Player's Guide. Grr, so much to do... Course someone can put a placeholder in the mean time... Baggins 23:30, 29 December 2006 (EST)


 * "Trolls, secondborn of Azeroth" (Dragons came first, Earthen don't count)--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 01:10, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * Except for the rumors that murlocs may be older then all of them ;)Baggins 01:12, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * Don't talk to me. I've sworn off hobbits for the remainder of the holiday season.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 01:14, 30 December 2006 (EST)

That sounds a bit too regal and flashy for my cannibalizing friends.--Zexx 04:28, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * Maybe just "Followers of Voodoo" or sth similar? Zexx's idea about something with "Voodoo" is IMHO good one --Sul&#39;jin 06:03, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * So long as no REAL followers of Voodoo get offended and try to curse us. I've seen what they can do, and it ain't exactly pretty.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 09:47, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * As for me, I don't think it would offend them in any way. Blizzard is trying to satisfy needs of every possible kind of player, so if we had a player who is as well a Follower of Voodoo in real, he probably would be proud that there is a whole race of Voodoo followers in game. --Sul&#39;jin 16:50, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * I should mention that what everyone thinks voodoo is, I assure you it's nothing like real life. Pin cushion dolls, all that stuff - was made up to satisfy movie-goers, tourists etc. Real voodoo is a more like what we would think of as shamanism (not WoW shamanism). -- Kirkburn  (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * Pin cushion doll is actually more of a new orleans hoodoo practice, than the original haitan voodoo, and existed before the movies made more out of them than the real religion does. Its a practice of symapthetic magic, that is you have to actually believe in that stuff for it to work.Baggins 17:10, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * Better description than mine! /me claps excitedly :) -- Kirkburn  (talk) 17:13, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * So what about the title for the trolls? --Sul&#39;jin 17:23, 30 December 2006 (EST)

We could leave it with voodoo, even though it doesn't come across in the game so much- but that is really how the trolls were thought up, how else do you explain the accents. And Kirkburn, no shamanism currently known to Anthropology parallels that of the WoW shamans.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 18:20, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * How about "Masters of the Voodoo"? 03:49, 31 December 2006 (EST)


 * I like this one. :) --Sul&#39;jin 07:52, 31 December 2006 (EST)


 * I think it's appropriate for the time being until something new can be found, because I don't like the idea of them being "masters" of Voodoo. You can't master Voodoo anymore than you can "master" the Light.--Zexx 15:20, 1 January 2007 (EST)


 * I would rather think of in-game Voodoo as a kind of magic, like Arcane. You can master the Arcane, so you can master the Voodoo, I suppose. And the Trolls are the only (?) race that practices Voodoo (and are the ones who created it in the first place), so they can be considered it's masters. --Sul&#39;jin 07:05, 2 January 2007 (EST)

But this is like saying "Humans, Masters of the Light". It just feels weird, especially since troll Voodoo is dictated by the loa, who are gods.--Zexx 23:49, 3 January 2007 (EST)


 * True, true... On the second thought, I started to think about Ragestorm's "Secondborn of Azeroth"... It sounds better than Masters of Voodoo. And, you know, if Orcs can be "Born of the Red World". Or we gotta wait till someone comes up with much better idea... --Sul&#39;jin 06:17, 4 January 2007 (EST)


 * Two comments: Firstly, I don't think troll voodoo is the same as standard Cajun-style voodoo, so "master" is appropriate if "master" means "really really good at" instead of "controller of." Secondly, we probably shouldn't continue to second guess our choice after a certain point, because it is just a little dinky title. Once we have something that works, lets keep it for a while and let it simmer before we try to change it again. Otherwise we'll be changing it every week. 09:41, 4 January 2007 (EST)

"Born of the red world"? Since when is Draenor red? The only red region is Hellfire Peninsula, and that transformation happened after the explosion. It would need an immediate change.--Odolwa 01:02, 7 January 2007 (EST)


 * Before Outland retcon, it was all red, deserted wasteland. But because Blizzard couldn't make a whole "continent" looking like Durotar, just of the size of a continent, so they made only Hellfire Peninsula being red, with the rest looking different, for the sake of variety and diversity and gods know what else. So "Born of the Red World" would be good if not for the change of Outland's look. Gosh, it's so easy to give titles to Alliance races, and unfairly difficult to the Horde. --Sul&#39;jin 19:15, 6 January 2007 (EST)


 * "Red World" was what Draenor was called in WC2, when it was still a planet, and still primarily red. The reddish rock and soil was exposed when all the plants died from warlock magicks. -- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:05, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Then I guess the same thing will happen to Northrend, when it is implemented in the game. Somehow I doubt we want an entire continent looking like Dun Morogh/Winterspring.--Odolwa 14:08, 7 January 2007 (EST)


 * Actually, it won't as great change as that of the Draenor, e.g. the Sholazar Basin is a tropical jungle, the Borean Tundra doesn't have to be all covered with snow, etc. It's much probable that Northrend will change a quite a bit when it comes out, but it's still Northrend - the Roof of the World, the Light-forsaken place where sun can be barely seen, there will probably a lot of snow and ice. --Sul&#39;jin 11:04, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Tribes article titles
I propose that we move all troll tribes articles to "XXX tribe" because in 2 cases they can be confused with Amani Empire and Gurubashi Empire.--Voidvector 14:56, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Troll Age
I was wondering (as I don't have the Warcraft RPG books yet) how long a typical Darkspear troll lives? --Sul&#39;jin 11:05, 8 January 2007 (EST)
 * Not sure if you got your answer yet (I really hope so, as it's now April). I was wondering this myself last night, couldn't find an answer. According to the RPG books, Darkspear trolls reach adulthood at 17, are of middle age at 30, and are venerable at 69, with a maximum age of +d10 years, giving us a result of 79. I'm not sure how "typical" player-character trolls are, however. Vannevar 21:19, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

That picture
The picture of the different Troll sub-species makes me wonder. How can there be a picture of Dark Trolls, when there aren't any Dark Trolls in-game atm? --Odolwa 13:55, 13 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I'd say technically it should have a picture of a dark troll from Warcraft III.Baggins 14:11, 13 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Not sure, but the dark trolls do have a separate skin implemented for the game. They might have made it in case any dark trolls are to be added at a later date. Also, the Zandalar trolls have a unique skin - red with a bluish tinge. I could add those too, although the pic is a bit large already. -- 11:01, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Well you could start stacking them in a more "square" shape. Two rows instead of one.Baggins 11:10, 14 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Yes, but then the landscapes wouldn't fit properly. --

Troll females?
Some of the rpg books says that Jungle troll females are only good for creating more trolls, but in the game there are female troll fighters,priests and even leaders in various Jungle troll tribes. Zarnks 21:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Quite a bit of lore was bent for reasons of gameplay balance. Similar to the female druid issue. —Pzychotix (talk &middot; contr) 23:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The Horde Player's Guide has an entire section on the Darkspear equivalent of the womens' suffrage movement, and explains the society's gender stratification and their attempts to leave it behind. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The RPG books also mention that female trolls can prove themselves, move beyond the limits of society's gender stratification system as well.


 * A similar issue was brought up in Lord of the Clans for female humans. In that they couldn't join the military service, and one character proved she was just as good, or better than any man. These kind of references are to the fact that in early warcraft games you never saw a female in the role of the military units. You never once see a female troll in warcraft I-III, at all. World of Warcraft really changed things by allowing players to have both female and male toons for all races.Baggins 20:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I actually thought this particular topic was quite tiresome in Cycle of Hatred. In every chapter of the book containing a female character, there was talk of how hard it was to be a woman and a leader. Which is pretty much every single chapter. >< -- 20:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * a little off topic but many trolls dont seem to value there lives much at all. like the bat rider who kamacazies and even the berserkers who increase damade taken to themselves. so with all those deaths perhaps the females only having kids is still an epicly important task in the end. the males are in a way despsable. and whats the deal with there blood?Stormrage1313666

Sick of ignorant players labeling them as evil.
I'm getting tired of people reading the first two lines of the darkspear introduction which is refering to their evil brethern not the player darkspears. Darkspear were opressed by the evil jungle troll for not being weak and soft. They were not evil. As soon as Thrall met them they were extremely gracious and kind to him. Sen'jin showed himself to be an exremely nice person and Vol'jin as well. They are completly selfless working for the orcs and share their sense of honor. Zarnks 05:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? --Sky (t · c · w) 05:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I've just met a lot of people who go "Rofl drkspear trolls are evil11 Cannibals that hate all races". While the Darkspear trolls have shown nothing but selfless loyalty and nobility in the face of oppression by Kul'tiras,other trolls,and ghostly witches Zarnks


 * So? I don't think we care about the fact that Blizzard doesn't force their customers to read the lore. That's what we're here for. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * darkspears might possibly be the biggest sissies in WoW, and calling them evil kind of ruins the word. an evil race, overrun by murlocs. clearly those who think darkspears are evil are way wrong, on the other hand - we hardly can force people to read up on all the lore that is possible. people are entitled to their oppinions. 14:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Overrun by Murlocs, if you call "a few of them were captured while being distracted by fighting the Alliance" then they were overrun, and so were Thrall and his orcs. Besides, if you think they were overrun, what do you think of the Tauren being driven to the Brink of extinction by Cetaur, at least the Murlocs had the element of suprise (and numbers, and the fact the Darkspears were alread engaged in a battle when they attacked, and the fact they only actually captured or killed a few Trolls, and the fact the trolls defeated them.)   Lckyluke372 02:02, October 15, 2007

Joining the Horde- worst idea ever?
Is it just me, or have the Darkspears had pretty much the worst time ever since teaming up with the greenskins?
 * Approach of the Horde marked by genocidal antics of both Alliance and Murlocs
 * Many drown getting to Kalimdor
 * Suffer heavy losses fighting alongside Orcs in War that had exactly nothing to do with them
 * Get turfed out of homes by Kirin Tor, some bright spark decides to fight back using kamikaze pilots
 * Become sworn enemies of not only half the sapient races on the planet, but the majority of their own race
 * Protest strongly against allying with evil soulless monsters, get overruled
 * Main settlement taken over by maddened witchdoctor, considerable number become mind-slaves

Meanwhile, the wild Trolls seem to be doing just fine. How many of the Darkspears are even left after that kind of depredation? Coming Second 00:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You forget, the Darkspear tribe was driven out of their old lands by the other Gurubashis who wanted them dead, and they would have been killed by the sea witch and humans if they stayed on their first island.-- 00:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You'd think though, given their track record they'd do what the Ogres did and just leave peaceably. They have quite clearly been getting the raw end of the deal ever since it began. Coming Second 13:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think right now they seriously need the orcs' protection. The tribe is too small to leave and make its own way in an extremely savage world. Nevertheless, I think that the jungle trolls joining the Horde in Warcraft III was an extremely cheap move by Blizzard: the orcs simply picked them up as they were passing by on their way to Kalimdor. I don't really like jungle trolls either - somehow, that blue skin tone just doesn't cut it for me. --

Darkspears are certainly of capable of taking care of themselves. They have a nice villiage in Sen'jin,Desolace,Zangermarsh,and Stonetalon. They could easily make it out for themselves. The reason they stay with the orcs is sheer loyalty,there are few races with as a great bond as orcs and trolls.

The darkspear trolls were never evil just a drastically different culture. Remember how good hosts they were to the orcs. Zarnks 08:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, -The Darkspears were at war with the Alliance anyway, and were losing due to numbers, -All the other Jungle Trolls hated them anyway. -Zalazane has been dealt with over the course of WoW. -Most of the Darkspears didn't fight in the Third War, the main bulk of the tribe, Including Vol'jin didn't arrive at Kalimdor until a year after Thrall did, by which time the war was over. -The addition of the Forsaken and the Blood Elves, neither of which they wanted, has doubled Horde's numbers, lessening the Alliance's advantage. Lckyluke372 02:09, October 13, 2007

Other races to join Horde?
According to one of the adventure scenarios for the WoW RPG there was a Horde entry that read, "Jungle troll shamans initiate a mission to invite other troll races to join the Horde. They wish to start with the ice trolls in Northrend-- home of the Lich King." Could this be Blizzard's way of hinting ( through White Wolf )  that they're contemplating making another playable troll race  ( like Night and Blood Elves )  in a future expansion? I mean, the book's around two years old but it'd still be pretty interesting to see whether or not this happens. --Super Bhaal 22:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Blizzard's very unlikely to introduce Ice Trolls as a new playable race, they are neither original nor interesting enough. At best we may see a Ice Troll village friendly to the Horde being introduced in WOTLK, as with the Revantusk lot. Coming Second 01:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Instead of a separate new playable race, they're more likely to introduce Ice Troll hairstyles and skintones to character creation, if anything. Two virtually identical races is unlikely enough- for the same faction, forget about it. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, you mean they get more hairstyles than "tacky mohawk", "Gilligan's Island witch doctor", and "Pebbles Flintstone"? --Super Bhaal 03:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If anything. Unlike elves, most species of troll are identical apart from hairstyle and skintone. So, another playable species of troll is highly unlikely, especially for the same faction. So, if Blizzard decided to give the Ice Troll PC option, then it would just be a new set of appearance choices for playable trolls. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 12:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It would be very interesting to see troll subspecies added, as a "box" that could be marked at troll character creation, for example, marking "Ice Troll" would give the player ice troll skin tone and some resistance to frost in addition to troll traits. --Andrelvis 13:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well in the WoW:WotLK trailer it says New hair styles dances and many others. if im not mistaken at blizzcon they mentioned having new sorts of skin colors added also. This might be added they also said that there was some things that werent mentioned yet so for all we know troll types might be added or something. --User:Whitedragon254

Troll Crest - all trolls or just Darkspears?
So the problem is - does the Crest image of trolls on this page belong to all trolls over all Azeroth and Kalimdor, or is it just the symbol of Darkspear trolls? From what I remember, it is the latter, one of the symbols of one of the factions of the Horde. And if I'm right, then we should move it to Darkspear trolls page. --Sul&#39;jin 12:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to agree. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 12:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I added the crest to Darkspear page. Now it would be convenient to remove this crest from this site (and others, like Shatterspear).--Sul&#39;jin 19:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I see them more often then Dwarves and orcs
While I don't mind the removal of the comment and it certainly needed citation. But I should point out it was based on statistics derived by all servers, not just "your" servers. There are all kinds of mods and websites that capature, and then list that kind of data, if you are interested. Sorry I don't have one off the top of my head. I forget the one I used to use.Baggins 07:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Strength
I know this isn't exactly canon, but this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CUwK3vwf9E) seems to give an idea of how strong a troll is. Lckyluke372 19:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

what in the name of? Teonod (talk) 22:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Number of species?
I just wanted to throw this evidence into the page. In the book The Last Guardian, the Kirin Tor thought there were four varities of trolls, and maybe even five. Medivh commented that the idea was "bushwa". I am not sure if he disagreed about there being a fifth variety or on the whole idea of just four varities. Rolandius (talk) 10:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The number of species has varied between 3 to 6 most of the time. The main traditional five are forest, ice, jungle, sandfury (desert/sand trolls), dark trolls. Sandfury are sometimes said to just be a small offshoot of one of others, and dark trolls are sometimes said to be small offshoot of one of the others. With those two eliminated it cuts it down to three. Zandalar trolls are considered the progentor race.


 * If one was to count the the original variations, Forest, Ice, Jungle, Desert, and Dark, and Zandalar. There would be 6 races. If one considers Sandfury and Dark to not be their own races. Then that that leaves, forest, ice, jungle and Zandalar or a count of four races.Baggins (talk) 10:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay so who do you think was closer to the right answer: Medivh or the Kirin Tor? They both had a lot of knowledge to think upon; although Medivh was corrupted at this point. Also, were any of those troll races you mentioned found after the events in the book ended?


 * Uh, I think the idea was that Medivh thought there were only four races. The other person thought there were 5. A fifth race was discovered after the book. But then some of those races were then classified as non-races after the fact.Baggins (talk) 10:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Regenerative ability
I think that the regenerative ability of the trolls get to little attention on the page. Chaos of Warcraft (talk) 09:05, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What more is there to say?.-_ Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 01:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Aren't there trolls that have missing limbs and etc. in the lore? Why haven't they regenerated?        (talk  - contr ) 00:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Regeneration has never been fully explained. It's possible that they can regenerate dessicated and atrophied limbs, but not lost ones. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If this is about Zul'jin and his missing arm and eye, it could be that he's old and as such his regenerative ability isn't what it used to be. That's just one possible conclusion I've come to, though to be honest I could have sworn someone else said much the same on the Zul'jin talk page...  ( How old is he, anyways? )  --Super Bhaal (talk) 17:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

(WotLK) Origins
Do we have any new information on the origin of the trolls? It seems that Blizzard has covered the origin of most of the other player races quite nicely ( NEs were trolls that drank from the Well of Eternity; HEs, BEs, and Nagas are fallen NEs that abused the arcane; Humans are descended from a Seed Race, Vrykul; Dwarves are Flesh-Cursed descendants of another Seed Race, the Earthen; Titan constructs called Mechagnomes were also hit with the Curse of Flesh, becoming Gnomes; Orcs came from Draenor where they had originally evolved presumably; Forsaken were created in WC3; Draenei originally evolved on Argus and then were visited by the Dark Titan ). The only questions remaining are about Tauren/Taunka, and Trolls. Do Trolls predate the Titan discovery of Azeroth? Sorry if this is just theorycrafting and lorecrafting, but it's been bugging me since I learned about the Vrykul-Human relation. NYET! (talk) 14:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Not that I know of, no. Also, that whole trolls-drinking-from-the-Well-and-becoming-NElves thing is a legend. We don't know if it's true or not ATM. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 15:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * With the new information about the Titans and the creation of Azeroth, it would appear that ALL races started as metal/stone constructs. With this information at hand, it seems likely enough that the trolls are descended from the troggs. Trolls and troggs have similar stature. Trolls and troggs have similar names (need I point this out?). It seems feasible that trolls are descended from troggs that left their caves to live on the surface of the world. This also would mean that all Azerothian races except Tauren/Taunka can be traced back to the Vrykul and the Earthen/Stormforged. Dodokiller88 (talk) 01:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought the info we had said that the troggs were connected to the dwarves, not trolls. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Information is being twisted here, but I do not know either way.-- 03:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * About the Tauren/Taunka, all I know is that one source says that the Taunka are "ancestral relations" of the Tauren. I am not sure if that means they descended from the Tauren or that they both descended from a certain race and so are related. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The troggs are semi-related to the dwarf origins. The earthen destabilized and split into two forms, dwarves and troggs. Dwarves have since then built a great society and have a well developed culture while troggs are stupid things that live in caves. If troggs evolved into trolls, that would account for this discrepency. As of right now, the troggs are considred an evolutionary dead end, but the possibility exist that troggs are an intermediate form. Also in support of this is that both troggs and trolls have tribal cultures, while the trogg culture remains much more primitive. Dodokiller88 (talk) 11:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly how do trolls and troggs have similar stature? Look at them and they are nothing alike. Also nowhere is it said that ALL races started off as metal/stone constructs - only the ones created by the Titans. I've never seen anything that might link trolls to Titans, so it's entirely possible that trolls were one of the first races to evolve of their own accord. Anyway name similarities don't guarantee a relation - trogodon's have a similar name too but it's clear that they are not connected.


 * [[Image:Troll.png|100px|A troll]] [[Image:Trogg.png|100px|A trogg]]

Troll Ruins in the Searing Gorge and the Badlands
I’ve found this cobra head in the Grimesilt Dig Site, I think it’s clearly a Gurubashi Empire ruin, but it’s very far north than the usual area where the Gurubashi expanded. What do you think, Early Gurubashi, Later Gurubashi, Amani empire ruins?

The dwarf is Dorius Stonetender.

--Miklagard (talk) 18:29, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ummm now i have found in The Badlands some ruins clearly different from Titan or Dwarf models, I think it’s clearly troll

These are from Dustbowl, very close to Kargath

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/FranciscoSV/WoWScrnShot_010110_190604.jpg?t=1262373552

These are close to the entrance to Angor Fortress

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/FranciscoSV/WoWScrnShot_010110_190917.jpg?t=1262373690

--Miklagard (talk) 19:23, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Loas
why isn't there a reference to the loas in this page?--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)