Talk:Shadowmoon clan

Shadowmoon Clan vs Shadow Moon Clan
It seems that with TBC at least a portion of the Shadow Moon Clan will become loyal to the New Horde, non? --Pure.Wasted 22:01, 26 September 2006 (EDT)


 * cite source? --Ragestorm 22:32, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

http://www.wowwiki.com/Shadowmoon_Village --Pure.Wasted 23:09, 26 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Doesn't this mean that the article's name is therefore now confirmed wrong? :) -- Kirkburn  (talk) 23:15, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

Erm. Not sure what you mean. If you mean that the Blizzard map is wrong (since that's where the name is from), I doubt they'd make such a huge mistake.

The only real alternative I see is that the old Shadow Moon Clan was entirely driven out/destroyed and their base of ops. remained, so the Horde just took it up now. But... iunno... --Pure.Wasted 23:21, 26 September 2006 (EDT)


 * I suppose it's possible that non-Fel-Orc Shadowmoons would be loyal to the Horde, as they'd have no love for Illidan/Burning Legion or Ner'zhul. I think it's more likely that it's called Shadowmoon Villiage because it's located where the Shadowmoons lived. We'll see when things finally released. --Ragestorm 23:37, 26 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Yes, er, what I meant was the name of the article is wrong - since it's now Shadowmoon, not Shadow Moon? :) -- Kirkburn  (talk) 00:05, 27 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Ah. Well, if someone who has the manual for Beyond the Dark Portal could confirm, but I thought it was always one word.--Ragestorm 10:07, 27 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Yes, I can confirm that it used to be two words. --Sky2042 00:57, 9 January 2007 (EST)
 * It appears that Shadowmoon has been the correct form since Warcraft II. --Sky2042 01:32, 9 January 2007 (EST)


 * Many names has been changed, the Shadowmoon is one of them. Anyway, the Shadowmoon Village can only bear the name after that orcish Clan, it doesn't have to have Shadowmoon Clan orc inhabitants. --Sul&#39;jin 03:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)


 * Except the name hasn't changed (in the sense that it used to be Shadowmoon, was Shadow Moon for a period, and is again Shadowmoon). If it did, it was during the lore-writing of WC2, as the name of Shadowmoon can be seen on a map printed in the WC2 manual and a map loading screen in WC3. --Sky2042 23:48, 9 January 2007 (EST)

"Shadow Moon Clan

Leader: Ner’zhul the Shaman

Color: Black The nefarious Shadow Moon clan rules over the scattered clans of Draenor. Although the clans Draenor do not maintain the unity of the Horde in Azeroth, Ner’zhul keeps these houses subjugated through fear and brute force. The Shadow Moon is heavily influenced by ancient shamanistic principles and exemplifies the raw power of the dark Orcish magiks.

The Ogre Mage Dentarg is a valued servant of Ner’zhul and the Shadow Moon clan. Dentarg is often called upon to rally support from wayward clans and put them back in line should they oppose Ner’zhul’s absolute rule."

However, both spellings Shadow Moon clan and Shadowmoon clan are used throughout the manual(Shadow Moon clan used in the text, and Shadowmoon clan used on the map).Baggins 10:59, 10 January 2007 (EST)


 * Hmm... So, do we want to go with what Blizzard has decided the name is (Shadowmoon Village, and Shadowmoon Valley), or how the manuals' in-text portions spell it? --Sky2042 12:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)


 * I'd go with what is said within the games, the maps, and what is said in Rise of the Horde. In anycase looks better that way.Baggins 15:52, 10 January 2007 (EST)


 * Ok, I'm thinking we should move it. But before we do so, why did you remove the clan color? Blackrock Clan, among others, maintains the color. :O. Ok, that, and shouldn't we keep "clan" capitalized? So the actual title would be Shadowmoon Clan. --Sky2042 21:37, 10 January 2007 (EST)

woah, did I accidently remove something while I was adding the move template? I didn't mean to. As for clan being capitalized... Uh most sources seem to use it either way. I don't care, whatever you choose... In ROTH it is in lower case though.Baggins 21:47, 10 January 2007 (EST)


 * In the quote provided from the manual, you have that the color is black. Which is it, purple or black? XD --Sky2042 22:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Black in warcraft II and purple in BC(what color are they in BC)? All I did was reinsert the line I removed earlier by accident. I checked Horde Player's Guide and it says black in there as well, it also uses the spelling "Shadow Moon Clan" so it looks like both Shadowmoon Clan and Shadow Moon Clan are interchangeable and acceptable. So as for page name we can use the one we think looks better.Baggins 22:41, 10 January 2007 (EST)
 * As far as that goes, I think most people would be in agreement that Shadowmoon looks better - I know I do. --Flyspeck 22:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)
 * I don't like the look of Shadowmoon, but then, I'm biased against it. My server was owned by Blizzard renaming it Shadowmoon from Shadow Moon back in the late summer of '06. :P. I still support the name of Shadowmoon, however (it's what the rest of the site uses also...). --Sky2042 22:49, 10 January 2007 (EST)


 * Same mainly because half of the orc clans are written as single words.Baggins 22:47, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Why has this article still not been changed into it's correct form: "Shadowmoon Clan"? --Odolwa 22:37, 11 January 2007 (EST)
 * Because we're truly making sure. When I get home in about hour and a half, I'll move it. --Sky2042 22:42, 11 January 2007 (EST)

It is done. --Sky2042 01:12, 12 January 2007 (EST)

What?
"The story is subject to changes with recent retcon and in the upcoming Rise of the Horde novel. Ner'zhul is to be portrayed as a hero, defying the legion and opening the portals to help the orcs escape the planet instead of causing destruction with them."

Is there any truth to that at all or so should it be removed? So far as far as I can tell as I read Rise of the Horde Ner'zhul is still shaping up to be a villain hated by many, infact Thrall states as much that he became evil, although at one time he was honorable during one of the chapter intros. Although his change is subtle and tragic at first (which is in line with what was hinted at in the warcraft II manual as well for the most part).Baggins 10:33, 10 January 2007 (EST)


 * When you finish RotH, you'll see why, but the statement is inherently inaccurate. Ner'zhul didn't, as the statement implies, open the portals to cause destruction, he opened them for the same reason Gul'dan opened the one to Azeroth: so that the Horde would have new worlds to conquer instead of completely slaughtering each other. Removal.-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:18, 10 January 2007 (EST)


 * Wasn't it implied in the WarCraft 3 manual that he opened the portals because he thought they would help him escape Kil'jaeden's wrath? Personally I think that's the best explanation.--Aldrius 03:23, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I'll go see if I can find the war3 manual text somewhere. Or maybe I'll just bug baggins. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 00:37, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Major historical discrepancy
It says in the article that he left the majority of the clan behind, while this is contested in the history on WoW.com's site. See The Invasion of Draenor. --Sky2042 23:17, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Not to mention, it says in the article that the Eye of Dalaran was never captured and Ner'zhul opened the portal without it. In the novel Beyond the Dark Portal, Ner'zhul obtains the eye and uses it to successfully create portals. Which version is correct? Talk Contribs  20:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Clan Members
Curious, where is it said that Kili'dan and Nethekurse are members of the Shadowmoon clan? Not that I doubt it, I just haven't seen the offical information regarding it.Tweak the Whacked 23:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Members would be surrounded with trash mobs of the clan (Like Kili'Dan is). If they are not, I would doubt it. Most orc warlocks in outland are remnants of the clan, as the stormreaver were all on the other planet.-- 01:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Beyond the Dark Portal Retcon
Didn't the BtDP novel state that Ner'zhul DID get the Eye of Dalaran? The article says that he had everything but the Eye. Dghunter (talk) 12:48, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * After looking through the edit history and the warcraft II campaign text i've concluded the person who added the passage most likely did so due to the lack of it's meantioing during the human campaign of Warcraft 2's expansion. However the orc campaign does meantion it and while the human campaign doesn't meantion it specificly, it never specificly says he didn't have it either so the passage can be removed without any conflicts. Thank you. 13:08, February 13, 2010 (UTC)