Talk:Crestfall

Should be renamed Crestfall (RPG)
Since this is not a location in World of Warcraft, I think this article should be named Crestfall (RPG) to show that it is from Warcraft RPG. There is no article naming policy for locations currently, so it isn't described by policy. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:37 PM PDT 5 Sep 2007
 * Uh... no? Why would it matter if its from WoW or from RPG; they're both still location. How about Zin-Azshari? That's not in WoW, yet it very much deserves an article name without parentheses. --Sky (t · c · w) 22:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Zin-Azshari isn't in a continent category like Crestfall. If we get it out of the continent category, I'm less inclined for it to have a parenthetical. Remember, this is "WoW" (aka World of Warcraft) Wiki and not just WarcraftWiki. The focus should remain on WoW and not confuse players who go looking for Crestfall when it isn't there. Zin-Azshari should be marked with a parenthetical too in my opinion, so the mere fact that I haven't put a comment about it is a weak argument. Saying it very much deserves an article name without parentheses is not a reason, just an assertion. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 3:57 PM PDT 5 Sep 2007
 * With a focus on WoW, not only about it. And as for Crestfall: which average WoW players are going to look for it that are also looking at wowwiki and will obviously misunderstand that it isn't present in WoW (if the page doesn't assert that it is, in fact, not yet present, then feel free to add that)? In fact, it is also present in Warcraft II. (see whatlinkshere of main page). Not only that, it's also present in the WoW manual. Really. It should be named Crestfall (RPG)? It's in the continent category, because that is where all the pages are for the Eastern Kingdoms, regardless of usage. --Sky (t · c · w) 23:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And as for Zin-Azshari, that's also present in dozens of WoW commentary, most notably of which is History of Warcraft. So, anything from 10k years ago should be renamed? to what? --Sky (t · c · w) 23:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Easy, how about Zin-Azshari (lore)... also, I did need to a bit more research, so Crestfall maybe should be Crestfall (lore) also. Being in WoW commentary doesn't make it the same as an accessible, substantial, visitable area or zone in game. We need to distinguish those areas that are in the game from areas that are mentioned in lore or history, because then things get all mixed up to those who haven't visited each and every article and know what belongs to what. Another example is Category:Classes which has tons of RPG classes that cannot be distinguished from WoW in-game classes. Its a mess for WoW players looking for class info that have to sift out the RPG stuff.
 * Your feedback is good, but it really doesn't address the issue of distinguishing WoW stuff from Warcraft lore stuff. Now you may disagree that this should be a goal, but as I said before, its WoWWiki, not WarcraftWiki, so someone should make an effort to distinguish the separation. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 4:29 PM PDT 5 Sep 2007
 * Given, on the category classes issue. That I share with you (blame Baggins for it). However... Why must they be a new page? The page itself should state (and the majority do) "This place is yadda yadda. (some lore) it cannot currently be accessed in WoW". There isn't a reason to disambiguate if there's nothing to disambiguate with. Would you have done the same to Northrend? How about Draenor, before BC came out (or was even known about)? Seeing as you didn't... --Sky (t · c · w) 23:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You guys, especially you Fandyllic should know that Crestfall has existed since Warcraft II, the maps, and its campaign, its on maps in World of Warcraft manual, its hardly just RPG and novel. Also I"m pretty sure there are a few references to Crestfall within WoW itself by certain NPCs, or for example Glorius Gauntlets of Crestfall. It was invented in the game series long before it was referenced in any other sources. Know thy history or appear to look silly.


 * Fandyllic I'm pretty sure that most of the book keepers and fellow admins would disagree with your uh "sense of logic" or lack there of, for page naming conventions. As most know that references to many locations exist in not only RPG lore but previous games in the series. Also I'm pretty sure crestfall gets one or two refer. The only time we need to disambig a page, with parenthesis if it refers to moroe than one thing, place or thing, and when that happens a disambig page is usually made. But standard wikipedian policy does not require parenthesis names and infact discourge them for when a title refers to a singular topic.Baggins 03:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "category classes issue. That I share with you (blame Baggins for it)."
 * Sky, be careful before you start tossing out blame, and be careful of who you blame, I didn't put the category on this page. If you follow the page history you'll see it was, probably User:Varghedin, unless I misread. In anycase, I take offense at being accused of something that I didn't do, and I will warn you for future, that I will not tolerate blame being tossed around to anyone for any reason. If I resort to blame game, please let me know, so I can apologize.


 * If anything, Crestfall while technically being a member of the Eastern Kingdoms, should have the Category:Closed zones as well.Baggins 03:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Jebus, way to misinterpret. See irc --Sky (t · c · w) 03:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry no access to irc until I get back from the university.Baggins 03:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh... then why are you logged on? :O I meant Category:Classes, not this page. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

My PC at home is logged on, but I'm not there ;).

However, I see where I misread. Topic changed mid-discussion and I missed it during skimming. I apologize, however I still stand by what I said about tossing "blame" around. It was decided by Kirkburn, Adys and I that because alot of classes show up in more than one source, to be called simply "RPG class" that class article is the generic category and Category:WoW Classes is the WoW specific class category, with further subcategories for RPG classes, and other types of classes. This was to give all sources equality and make it easy to differentiate between the various types, and where cross over occurs.Baggins 03:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)