Talk:Nozdormu

Warcraft: War of the Ancients Trilogy, Book 3: The Sundering refers to Nozdormu and his flight as bronze, not gold.

yeah, all references to Nozdormu are bronze (though the dragons do look gold in some animations)

Artist?
Who is the artist for the picture of Nozdormu? It'd be nice to credit their work...
 * Ugh, forgot to sign. That was me asking the question here. --Darkfox190 11:26, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

I'm not positive but it looks like Jacobs' work.--Grid 22:43, 26 November 2006 (EST)

Death?
Has Nozdormu died? I can't seem to find that information anywhere. I should think he hasn't, but it would still be nice to know. --Kitsunei

Nozdormu is alive and well, guarding the sands of time from a secure location. His current activities are unknown, and are likely to remain so until a new threat to the flow of time emerges. In other words, we may or may not see him in the Caverns of Time. --Ragestorm 21:25, 18 June 2006 (EDT)

Confirmed. We don't see him in Caverns of Time. I was exploring it today and eavesdropped on a conversation between Andormu and his sister Naziri. They mention that Nozdormu is missing, and is it up to the remaining leaders of the Brood to act as custodians of the timeline -- which they will exercise by allowing heroes from Azeroth to go back and ensure crucial events go as they have (Freeing Thrall, the Dark Portal opening, etc). Also mentioned in there conversation is some malicious force working to undo these events, which is the reason why the Keepers will grant us their blessings.--Grid 18:31, 19 December 2006 (EST)


 * Actually a missing aspect does not equal a dead one...and believe me...if the timeless one would be dead...they WOULD know...for his powers would go over to Anachronos. I rather say his present self is missing...the dragon-scheme we see underneath the hourglass might be one of his other selfs...But i doubt he's dead...--Maibe 19:45, 19 December 2006 (EST)


 * Any image of Nozdormu dying could be his death- he will die one day, and he knows exactly where and when it will happen. --Ragestorm 20:32, 19 December 2006 (EST)


 * Yes, but AFAIK there's not even one of his selfs ingame at the very moment, that is dieing. From what I saw the transparent dragon under the sandclock is sleeping (A/N: Blizzard shoul really give dragons other than the green flight eyelids...)--Maibe 04:07, 20 December 2006 (EST)

I don't think anyone is saying he's dead necessarily. It is confirmed that he is away and on a mission. As for the visions well we saw that history is clearly reversible with War of the Ancients.--Grid 07:46, 20 December 2006 (EST)


 * Ah I see. I thought you were referring to the question if he's dead with the confirmed. Sorry--Maibe 08:53, 20 December 2006 (EST)

Reptilian
I understand all reptiles minus snakes have six limbs in warcraft. Charred But Alive 15:12, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

Where in the Nether did you get that idea? Naga have only two or four limbs, depending on gender, the Draknoids have four, and most of the smaller varieties (eg, not monsters, normal lizards, etc) have the correct number of limbs, and I do believe... what a second, why is this being discussed on the Nozdormu page? is this even a discussion, or just a general observation? --Ragestorm 16:15, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

Think about it. Nga were night elves, drakonids are from who knows where, and I have yet to see any non-hexlimbed scalys other then those. Charred But Alive

Again, why this page? --Ragestorm 23:09, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

Well it's not that important... What IS important, however, is that Korialstrasz was able to teleport himself to Noz's Dwelling of Sand using some sort of flower of many colours. I actually seemed like he was using a hearthstone in day of the Dragon... perhaps such a flower will be used as transportation to the Caverns of Time?

Another thing - do you need to be exalted with the Brood of Nozdormu to be able to get in the Caverns in the Burning Crusade? --Angellic 18:13, 15 November 2006 (EST)


 * No, don't think so. The caverns have a different rep group associated with it, the Keepers of Time (Blizz has also listed the Scales of the Sand on the features, which sounds like it is associated as well, but I don't think they've popped up yet). -- Maenos 18:27, 15 November 2006 (EST)


 * The exquisite Aeon Rose was unique, a gift from an Aspect to another, bequeathed to her beloved- it is gone forever, and it has nothing to do with hearthstones. --Ragestorm 20:05, 15 November 2006 (EST)

...What? 20:27, 15 November 2006 (EST)


 * I was answering Angellic's comment about Korialstrasz's flower.--Ragestorm 21:29, 15 November 2006 (EST)


 * Slightly OT...I always wondered about the flower's colour: red, blue, black, green, golden middle...and silver...might that indicate a lost/hidden sixth flight?--Maibe 10:51, 27 November 2006 (EST)


 * I was just questioning the entire topic of this thread. 01:59, 28 November 2006 (EST)


 * Perhaps. Given that the flower itself probably only existed through paradox anyway, the sixth color could fortell the rise of the Chromatic Flight or the Nether dragons. --Ragestorm 12:02, 27 November 2006 (EST)


 * I would rather think of a lost white flight...Perhabs the true aspects of Death...Death of dragons...(too much Discworld here *coughs*)--Maibe 17:23, 27 November 2006 (EST)

Crokolisks and Basilisks have 6 legs, all other reptile like creatures in Warcraft are generally shown with a real world-ish amount of legs. Hordesupporter 15:26, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

The Anomaly
I never fully understood as to what was the cause of the Anomaly that was ripping off the very fabric of reality during the War of the Ancients Trilogy. Was it some experiment gone wrong by Nozdormu or was it intentionally set off by some other evil power? Please respond because i'm curious =)


 * If memory serves (it's been a while since I read the books), it was created by the Old Gods to occupy Nozdormu throughout time and make it easier for their plan to work. -- Maenos 22:20, 1 December 2006 (EST)

As I've read further into the novels, it most likely seems that Deathwing created this Anomaly as a last act to destroy Azeroth. (In other words, if he can't have it then nobody else can.) TheOneCalledRed 22, December 2006


 * It seems to me more like something the Old Gods would do. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.  First, keep one Aspect busy by creating the anomaly.  Second, keep the other aspects busy by turning one against the others.  Third, do this while the Burning Legion invaded.  It's a great way to keep the biggest thorn in their side extremely busy and unaware of their plans to be freed. --Maenos 20:29, 22 December 2006 (EST)


 * It was the Old Gods; it is confirmed that almost the entire War was a setup for them to break free- the anomaly was primarily to remove Nozdormu from the equation; their voices disrupted Neltharion, who they planned to use to destroy Malygos. Alextrasza and Ysera would have had no hope of stopping the Three.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 23:43, 22 December 2006 (EST)


 * If it were not for Korialstrasz mysteriously beeing able to withstand the demonsoul in both timelines as it appears (the original one and the one with his older self) and therefor giving Deathwing a 'reason'in effect for destryoing the blue flight. So...perhabs...could it be that Krasus also follows the old gods? How else could he have had the power to withstand the demonsoul in a situation where no other dragon could?--Maibe 19:44, 9 January 2008 (EST)


 * Good Grief! The Demon Soul didn't work on Korialstrasz because it wasn't being used on him.  If you read carefully in "Demon Soul" Korialstrasz gave his essence to the Soul just like all the other good reds.  Alex (I can't spell the full name off the top of my head) then sent him on an errand to find His Older Self, Krasus.  He showed up to the battlefield late, after Deathwing had frozen all dragons present.  Thus, Deathwing never had the opportunity to use it on him.  Krasus, in Sundering, senses that the anomaly is the work of the Old Gods, and notices their influence on the portal, and what does he do?  He does everything to stop it.  That Krasus works for the Old God's is the most crackpot conspiracy theory I have ever heard. (Meneldir 18:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC))


 * See, there's the problem. He wasn't there cause his old self was there. But in the original timeline he had no reason not be there, therefor the soul was likely used on him as well, yet he likely was able to withstand it's power.--Maibe 20:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * We have no idea what would have happened as far as Korialstrasz had his older self not been there. He could have been sent on a different errand.  Archimonde could have tried something.  Furion or Illidan could have gotten ideas.  There is no reason to believe that Korialstrasz would have any power over the soul.
 * BTW, I just reviewed that part of the sundering. I was right that Neltharion never used it to enslave Korialstrasz.  However he did use it on him for other purposes, the first time trying to tear it apart, which failed because it was a tactical error on Deathwings part, he should have enslaved him first so that Kor couldn't use his momentum to knock the soul out of his hand (Korialstrasz did take heavy damage and endure great pain), the second time to crush him into the dirt, which also inflicted massive injuries and would have killed him had the blues not intervened, thus getting themselves killed.  Korialstrasz had no special power over the Demon Soul save that he was smarter than the deranged Deathwing. Also that section is written from his point of view, thus we can see quite well that he knew that the soul would have killed him.(Meneldir 22:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC))


 * Well, but as said, as long as we don't know why he (likely) was able to get out of the control in the original timeline, there's something fishy--Maibe 22:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Why exactly is it likely he had power over the Soul? He never has.  He didn't in the changed timeline, why should he have it in the original? Meneldir 02:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * According to the original timeline of Warcraft, Krasus never had to face Deathwing with the Demon Soul, as Deathwing didn't go openly nuts until much later - namely, the Second War. The Old Gods, being singularities in time due to their existence before time was created, can plan their movements throughout time and have thus messed with the timeline in various places, but only after events had already been played out in an alternate timeline.  The anomaly is millions of times stronger than any single dragon aspect, and thus it was the perfect creation to pull Nozdormu away from his usual time-correction activities. --Kai Maera 00:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'd love to continue this, as Kai is off on a point or two, but she's also on topic, while both Maibe and I are way off topic. I'm putting up a link to continue this here.  Meneldir 01:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You made a mainspace page for it?-- 02:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Still learning how to make the proper pages and such. If you could help I'd appreciate it. Meneldir 16:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The Future of the Timeless One
There is one detail mentioned "The Sundering" that isn't in this article concerning the Timeless One. It is mentioned is that during the conversation with Krasus and Rhonin at the end of "The Sundering" he apologizes for the trouble he will cause the two and how he will be come "as Malygos is." I have no idea what this refers to (as far as I know he's done no harm to either of them and is not yet insane) and it's probably a discussion thread unto itself. If someone knows page # to this detail it could be added and cited properly. (Meneldir 19:32, 9 January 2008 (EST))


 * I only hae the translation here, but as far as I see it he appears to be refering to Malygos' madness caused by the loss of his flight and likely to the trouble he put krasus through in DotD.--Maibe 19:41, 9 January 2008 (EST)


 * It's been a while since I read "Day," exactly what trouble did he put him through other than refusing to give him a direct answer? (Meneldir 00:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC))

again when Krasus was talking with Nozdormu in "The Sundering" he had no knowlage that Malygos would be attacking the spellcasters of WOW, all he knew was (like maibe pointed out) that Malygos would become secluded and paranoid. Also in the "day of the dragon" Krasus expresses much annoyance with Nozdormu because all he cared about was his "collection". That might be the maddness that Nozdormu refers to.Krasusinwow (talk) 20:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Particular what I meant (I think I said it somewhere else as well, but never made clear what I actually meant, sorry). I still believe the quote about -accept my faith just as malygos- (don't remember the exact quote anymore) rather refers to that Nozdormu has to get through all that is coming, even though he knows it is and how to avoid it. Just like Malygos will have to go through those millenia of insanity and sorrow. I highly doubt it refers to tat Nozdormu will go just as mad as Malygos does. And as you already pointed out, neither did we have any idea of Malygos' war or the infinite flight in DotD or in WotA.--Maibe (talk) 21:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Leader of the Infinite Dragonflight?
While the article says that the quest hints that Nozdormu might be the leader of the Infinite Dragonflight, I find that wrong. In the quest, your objective is to make the leader of the Infinite Dragonflight appear by first killing waves of the Infinites. The leader does NOT appear, but Nozdormu does and is friendly to you. At quest turn-in, Chromie even says that it was good that Nozdormu revealed himself, and also said that they still had no clue who the leader was. (Gamaron 21:36, 26 August 2008 (EEST))

I think you didn't pick up on a few things. Think it over again. The leader may have in fact appeared. Chromie may be in denial. 18:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Both options are valid interpretations of events. Does Nozdormu say anything? It is hinted, but not confirmed, and may or may not be the right situation of things.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 21:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Gamaron, you aren't totally right... as warthok said, may the leader really appeared: Nozdormu. of course, nozdormu wouldn't compromise himself by attacking you, as it's in his interests that you continue to think he's good and on your side, and this is why he attacks the infinites instead. Now, obvously, Chromie and all the bronzes won't even think nozdormu is the leader of theyr enemy, so theyr interpretation is that the summon didn't work but Nozdormu came to help you. By my side, I think that Nozdormu IS the leader of the infinite dragonflight, but he is doing this because he is forced to. of course, only time will tell^^-- 13:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Do we have any idea what his motives of that would be? I'd like to hear them if there were some theories. But personally I think that Nozdormu wouldn't be the leader of his own dragonflight's enemy. I mean, not even Neltharion turned on his own Dragonflight when he went mad. And if Nozdormu was the leader of the infinite dragonflight, isn't there something he might have done to try and prevent you from even summoning him? I'm not sure, just things to remember and think about. jclipps (talk) 00:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps he did/will eventually create the Infinite Dragonflight, but he is still on our side? I think that since he understands time more than anyone, he has deemed that somehow by making dudes who are trying to screw with time, but then get defeated, things would some how work out. Mabye he makes the Infinites so that our character can pwn them, get phat lewtz, and use said lewtz to kill guys like Deathwing and the Lich King. Do these seem plausible? --Truckman1 03:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Think about it... if you knew when, where and how you were going to die, wouldn't you want to stop it? That's Nozdormu's curse. Given, he was appointed the keeper of time for a reason, because he was wise enough not to abuse this power. But what if he was corrupted? With C'Thun being so close to the Bronze Dragonflight's home base, it's entirely likely that he could have been given dark thoughts by C'Thun about how to shape time for his own will; thus creating the Infinite Dragonflight. --RedFlag January 19, 2010


 * Having created a new flight doesn't mean he's been corrupted. As for their "base" near Cthun, the caverns of time does not truly exist in a time frame, so unless Cthun's influence can traverse time, its unlikely to be the cause. 01:41, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, yes, you're right in that it doesn't mean he's corrupted, but the intentions of the Infinites, at least as perceived by the Bronze Dragonflight, is malicious. As for C'Thun's power, who's to say that an old god's power cant extend through time? I derived my theory from reading anyway, so I suggest you read it, as he seems to know a lot more than I do. RedFlag (talk) 02:43, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Model

 * why is his madel still the bronze dragon placeholder?-.- sometimes i hate blizzard...-- 10:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, neither Nozzy here or Ysera have a "unique" model. SuperN (talk) 15:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * While it would be cool, they have yet to play a large part in the WoW storyline as the other Aspects have. There is a lot that goes on into creating new creature models, and even more so into creating a completely unique and detailed one for the size and importance of a dragon Aspect. jclipps (talk) 22:38, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Remember that, if Nozdormu is the real leader of the Infinite, his appereance could change (same for Ysera, maybe corrupted by Nightmare?). Making useless to find an epic model for his Aspect dragon form.Malygos Helper (talk) 10:09, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Demon Soul
Nozdormu is the Timeless one right where he watches time basically 24/7. So with this knowledge of all time wouldn't he have known wheat Deathwing was going to do with the Demon Soul thing along with all things associated with it? What I’m saying is that I believe it should be added to the article that yes he added he power to the Dragon Soul/Demon Soul but because of his knowledge of the future he knew it was alright to do so without need to tell the other aspects or something. Anyone agree with me? SuperN (talk) 15:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Well one must see that Malygos would do World War 3 because he believes that Magic is being miss-used... Alexstrasza was bound by love for life during the Second War... Nozdormu may be very much well committed to his job at the time - He may have known that Deathwing would betray them - But then the thought goes... Nozdormu knows that he has the power. He had the power to save Malygos's Flight. He had the power to save million's of lives, War of the Ancients, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Wars... Would that not drive you mad? You have near infinite time to think of things, I could save him... Do I? --Mordanath (talk) 02:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nozdormu's knowledge of time isn't perfect- he had no idea what the Old Gods were up to, and it looks like he doesn't actually know the future- the only thing he knows is when he will die, so that he doesn't overstep his bounds. It also seems that he is unable to change events that have already happened, only events that threaten the entire timestream. -- Ragestorm  (talk &middot; contr) 03:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * So, Ragestorm, if what you say is true, then that makes Nozdormu is the Aspect which has the weakest control over his domain. Can't see the future, can't alter the past. What is he there for then? Neltharion (talk) 17:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Read the "The Ordering of Azeroth" part, Nozdormu has the power to keep the order into the timeline, he can travel and change time, but he can't predict the future, he can go to the future and see what will happen, but this is not his job.
 * There are things missing, what happened with that blue dragon eggs Krasus gave to Nozdormu?
 * I'm pretty sure Nozdormu is doing all he MUST do.
 * Maybe he won't go insane, maybe he is just confusing everybody to prevent anything worse, maybe Malygos was not insane, maybe Malygos is still alive, and both are planning something big. Pudim17 (talk) 10:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * During the Nexus war Malygos is not insane... he just started once again doing his job as he was supposed to do... Blue Dragonflight and himself failed during War of the ancients, they have failed during Sunwell cryses. Fact that drastic steps are neccesary is beyond the doubt even for Kirin Tor. If Medivh have came back from dead so can Malygos. Though Medivhs power was inferior against Aspect... Malygos commanded power of all the magic, Medivh just all that Tirisfalen managed tu unreveal. It would take more power than ressurect Medivh but I think it would be doable. Plus note that all aspects are "Eternals". Nozdormu will not cease to exist by his death. As he exist nearly everywhere in time.


 * I'm sorry, but I didn't quite follow all of that. This article isn't about Malygos (and I just want to point out, he doesn't command all the magic out there). jclipps (talk) 14:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * you know thats not necessarily true Paeris. it was not medivh's power that brought him back from the dead it was the power of his mother. second malygos is as strong as deathwing. in the Day of the Dragon deathwing states that the only mage he ever feared was Medivh due to the fact that he had enough power to equal an aspect. you seem to be making a lot of assumptions here with how the creatures and people of azeroth think. sure you could rez malygos i guess but why would anyone other than his own flight do that. if thats the case then why not rez everyone whose died so far. anyway jclipps is right about one thing. Aspects do not have COMPLETE control over there domain. as far as Malygos being dead... well i'm pretty sure hes dead... and lastly (back on topic) i'd like to point out that Nozdormu may have known that creating the dragon soul would cause hundreds of years of strife for dragons. perhaps this was one of those things that needed to happen in order to keep order within the timeline. if nozdormu went around fixing every little thing that went wrong then he would most likely cause the end of the world just like the infinte dragonflight is trying to do by stopping all the bad things that happened over the course of time.
 * Dragonmancer (talk) 08:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Was he absent during the cration of the Demon Soul? Wowhead doesn't list him as an NPC in Ulduar, he doesn't seem to have any lines in the vision, and I haven't been able to find any screenshots of him from the vision. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 02:30, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes he was absent. It was something i was pleased to see WoW's devs got right. 04:49, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * He was busy, so Soridormi went in his place. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:59, October 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Dragonmancer was right in comparing what Nozdormu could do by fixing every little thing to the Infinite Dragonflight, although they are enough of an anomaly in themselves that we don't know for sure their true intentions. For all we know, they could be good in trying to fix all the bad things that have happened and think the heroes as the bad ones trying to stop their "good" mission.  This leads to the next point of the Butterfly or Ripple Effect.  Nozdormu could have seen Medivh and the Dark Portal and tried to kill him (not sure if it would be possible with Sargeras inside him however) to prevent the coming of the Orcs and the deaths of so many Azerothians.  However, this could also lead to the loss of the Alliance without the Orc Horde to bond them in the 2nd War.  This in turn would have weakened any resistance to the Demons in the 3rd war in the Alliance, not to mention the equally devastating loss of the Horde defenders (no Orcs, no Thrall, no Tauren, no Trolls).  The world would have ended.  I would also mention the loss of Broxigar, but this leads into inter-dimensional/time-related physics that my brain is not equipped to handle.  There are so many more examples that could be brought up, but hopefully you all get the idea.  Nozdormu obviously knows what he must and is allowed to do and is currently doing just that (we hope).  And in response to Neltharion, Nozdormu has an proportional amount of control of his domain as any of the other Aspects.  Time magic is something none of the other Aspects possess (in comparison to the fact that almost all the Aspects have a little bit of control over the other's domains like earth through magic, life and healing, the mind, and magic in general).  And last time I checked, I don't think that any of the other Aspects would have the ability to summon all their past and future selves to deal with a problem, leading to the other Aspects' total failure of being able to deal with the Time-Anomaly at all. jclipps (talk) 22:34, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Thumbnail of Nozdormu
Well my friend is getting a back tattoo done of the battle between Aspects in WotA. To help out the artist, I decided to photoshop the thumbnails provided on wowwiki. I was just wondering if I were to edit the page, how would I go about properly licensing it? The Nozdormu picture is credited as being from the RPG book.

Would it be correct to license it as direct property of warcraft, or would I be able to get away with submitting a new colored imaged as fan art? I also noticed that their was no author credited with the image. (Note: The image I manipulated is simply the thumbnail, photoshopped)

I just want to give a more detailed and colored image of Nozdormu, it's very difficult to come across a decent image. If you ask me, the in-game templates and screen shots aren't up to par with the image I received in DotD and WotA, but then again, I don't believe the authors have any rights to the characters, hah.

So to speed things up, what's the best method for going about this? I am not a frequent, I'd just like to bring some more color on paper to the aspects.

Thanks. -Aspect


 * Thank you for your inquiry. WoWWiki does not permit fan-made images, even ones that are simply recolored, to act as headline images in articles. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:21, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Quote Reference
Can someone provide some context for this quote beyond the bit about Malygos (what's being hidden? What wrongs will Nozzy have to commit?)? “I know what you hide from her, from usss. It is my fate and curssse to know such things and be unable myssself to prevent them. Know that I now asssk for forgiveness for the wrongs I will caussse you in the future, but I mussst be what I am destined to be... as Malygos is.” -p75369


 * Nobody can provide anything beyond speculation, because nothing sourced has yet happen.
 * 22:09, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Krasus has gone back in time, and he already knows that Deathwing is going to betray the other Aspects, but realizes he can't tell them because it would change history. Nozdormu is basically saying, "don't worry, I know what it's like." I personally think a lot of people are reading too much into his statements about what he'll do in the future, but that's neither here nor there. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:30, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

New picture
Is it from the PTR?--Pryon (talk) 06:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it is indeed from the PTR :)
 * — Aedror (talk) 12:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)