Talk:Kvaldir

Move
This should be moved to Kvaldir page, because kvaldir is not clan, its race, the "sea vrykul" as npc claims in Cruelity of Kvaldir Noobi666 (talk) 11:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Kvaldir/Sea vrykul
Where does the name 'sea vrykul' come from? If it is just a model name, then there is no reason to believe that the kvaldir are just a clan as Noobi666 claims. They may be a clan/tribe, a race, both, or neither. Remember the Iron Earthen thing? Evidence would be good.-- 22:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 1 npc mentions in Cruelity of Kvaldir quest that Skadir are also Kvaldir and Kvaldir are the "sea vrykul" this page should be deleted Noobi666 (talk) 11:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Quest:Cruelty of the Kvaldir says nothing about Skadir. 11:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * ATM q giver was fighting with the and calls them Kvaldir. Sea vrykul is modelname Noobi666 (talk) 14:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In the Wrath of the Lich King guide, it seems to say that the Kvaldir and the Skadir are two different clans. Wouldn't it just mention the Kvaldir if the Skadir clan was a part of them? Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 14:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * and veehja refered them also as Kvaldir Noobi666 (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I mean that few npcs refer all sea vrykul as Kvaldir, so it would be correct name instead of just sea vrykul, skadir would only be 1 clan. 1. move kvaldir clan to kvaldir 2. remove this page Noobi666 (talk) 14:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What is the page and quote in the Wrath of the Lich King guide?-- 21:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I think Noobi666 is arguing about two different things. I am not sure about the whole Kvaldir vs Sea vrykul subject. On the subject of Noobi666 saying that the Skadir are a clan of Kvaldir I have read something about it. It says on page 134 that "Foes like the Kvaldir and Skadir trouble the shores..." which sounded to me like they are two different clans. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 02:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't this the same guide that told you that "iron rune dwarf" and "iron dwarf" are two different things? I'd be careful to take that "guide" as a citation. 08:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * When I say guide I mean the official guide. I think the info is a bit official unless BradyGames is now making guides without permission from Blizzard. It didn't really say that "iron rune dwarf" and "iron dwarf" are two different things. It just mentions "iron rune dwarf" instead of calling them "iron dwarf" I guess. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 10:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

asks you to slay Skadir Raiders and Longboatmen, but the description says "they call themselves the Kvaldir". So that must mean the Skadir are a group of Kvaldir. 12:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe that Kvaldir is the race with Skadir being a named faction of them. Kvaldir doesn't necessarily have to be a "clan", its just a named used for mobs... no different than all the Gorloc creatures found in Borean Tundra, doesn't mean Gorloc is a tribe of Gorlocs. 09:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * they could be wrykul who perished at sea... as they come in ghost boats and turns into seaweed on death Cattaclysmic (talk) 10:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The question isn't where they came from or how they got there, but if the race is Kvaldir or Sea Vrykul. And they aren't ghost ships, as you get a quest to burn four of them down in the Borean Tundra... Also, they aren't considered Undead, but rather Humanoids. 10:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Every quest, and I mean EVERY quest, that involves these creatures refer to them as the Kvaldir. Unless told otherwise by blizzard, this is the name that will be used. 03:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For the record, one quest in Vashj'ir now calls them sea vrykul.-- 02:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Aye, but when I made that statement it was true. 03:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Older threads are often deemed no longer relevant by default... but I just felt that it was worth putting that it is true now.-- 03:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Picture
i can add a Sea Vrykul picture would that be OK? (just goto my talk for yes or no)- User:Alectranas80

Adapted to aquatic
I wonder why they land by ship if they are aquatic vrykul? You would think they could just walk onto the beach and fight. Where does that fog come from too. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 11:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The adaption
my bro is a Dk & a fought a Sea Vrykul way off the coast near the icebergs he swam the vrykul was standing up like it was shallow water & should i add a sea vrykul picture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

Edit
I edited Kvaldir Raider & changed its race to Sea vrykul, is that fine? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

Neutral evil
Where does it say they are neutral evil? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 03:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not much is known about these creatures. I put neutral evil, cause it looked appropriate to their actions... A neutral evil character serves only their own needs/ends. They follow no law but also have no drive toward chaos. They kill or steal as they see fit to get what they want.
 * It should probably be removed though, cause you are correct, it has not citation to back it up. 03:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It is just that, without a citation, some people might put, for instance, that the black dragonflight is "good" because of whatever reasons or "evil" because some other reasons. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 04:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Scourge Allied?
Are these lot seperate Vrykul or still part of the larger race? And if they are, do they serve the Lich King? It's just, they attack the Lk's enemies and cause major problems for those who figh against him, but no trouble to any Scourge in the area. Gorvar (talk) 17:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Just like the topic before, though they are a sub-specie of the Vrykul, they to just expand for themselves.
 * 17:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

John Carpenter's "The Fog"
Is it possible the Kvaldir were inspired by this film? The film deals with viking-like raiders that exist only in a fog that sweeps over from the ocean. Its never clear whether they are an extension of the fog or it of them. In any case the idea seems very similar, and its most definitely not unlike Blizzard to take inspiration from such well known sources. The appearance of the Kvaldir and the fact they disintegrate into seaweed when killed however is reminiscent of Pirates of the Caribbean. Is any of this relevant or worth adding to the article? Heljak (talk) 09:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Could be, I wouldn't mind if posted it under Trivia.Gorvar (talk) 17:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Cannot exist outside the mist?
The article currently includes the following statement: "The kvaldir cannot exist outside the mist with the exception of the raiders in Kaskala, however, this could simply be that Blizzard opted not to cover the area in mist.", what does this mean? Does this refer to the in-game phasing, or does some NPC state that they're unable to leave the mist? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:09, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * More like, cause when ever you encounter them, they're in the mist. Now when you try to drag them out of it, they won't come with you. That is basically how it is meant, but because one group of them are not in a phasing type area covered in mist it's under the speculation tag. Likewise we don't tag things for needing citation if it is under the speculation tag. 06:17, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Conflicting
In the game, the Kvaldir become seaweed when they die, showing they are of some mystical origin, and showing they are a sort of ghost/spirit. However, in The Shattering, it shows that the Kvaldir are actually Vrykul who dress up in deathly looking attire and summon fog to give the illusion that they're some manner of haunting spirits. Maybe I haven't read enough of the book, or it hasn't been said yet, but what exactly are these guys? Fanatics of legend or actual legend? Mykael Mourningsun Vae Victis 20:50, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're probably getting more info out of the book, then you would in-game... though they might get more lore in Cata. 21:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am having a bit of trouble reconciling this. Cataclysm does not make use of this revelation.-- 02:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Cataclysm
Will the Kvaldir fighting the Naga be friendly or not? Is it known yet?--CowardlyLion (talk) 02:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * They are not friendly. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you although I did hope for some good vikings --CowardlyLion (talk) 19:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)