Talk:New Plague

X-Men similarity
Kind of reminiscent of the plan in the first X-Men movie implemented by Magneto; turn everybody in the world into the same thing as you so that being what you are (mutant, undead, whatever) no longer makes people want to kill you. Like Magneto, Sylvanas and Faranell and the rest are overlooking one important fact: doing this will succeed in preventing people from hunting you because of your race....only to make them start hunting you because of what you did to them.--Illidan Rocks 14:26, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)

In my experience from playing undead characters, the purpose of the New Plague is not to turn humans into Forsaken, but to utterly kill them. They are seeking mass genocide. --Anticrash 11:26, 13 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * Of course they want to kill them ! They are not a special race in any way ! They just want to kill their enemies !--Kirochi 06:15, 12 Mar 2006 (EST)

This makes forsaken as evil as scourge is. --mko 06:02, 14 May 2006 (EDT)

Mko's point is terribly alliance biased, pretty much just propaganda. What needs to be said is that "good" and "evil" are entirely objective, just as much "evil" can be seen in the dwarves or the humans. The new plague is most likely being developed for use against the prime enemy, the scrouge. It may also be used as a deterrent against actions taken by other, IE religious zealots among the scarlet crusade or among the alliance. Short version: Its most unlikely that it will be used to "wipe out the whole world". : Muad&#39;dib 06:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The majority of the dwarves and humans aren't looking to wipe out a whole race, unlike the Forsaken. RPG information and certains quests indicate that they want to turn the plague on humanity as much as the Scourge. Doing so would likely incur both the wrath of the Alliance and the Horde, which would either lead to the Forsaken being destroyed or being forced to turn the plague to the rest of the races. --Austin P 23:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's completely absurd to say that the (playable) dwarves and humans are "just as evil" as the (playable) Forsaken. 00:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I would not consider it completely absurd. The fact of the matter is that there are some evil humans and dwarves, just as there are some evil undead. However, I do admit, out of all the playable races the Forsaken as a whole do seem to be the most inherently reason... though they have also gone through the greatest hardship. Let's not forget that the Humans used and abused the Defias Brotherhood, driving them to thievery after they effectively resurrected Stormwind. Or that the Dwarves in Alterac Valley are trying to force the Frostwolf Clan of Orcs out of their native home simply so they can excavate further. Good and evil are just points of view. The Forsaken probably see themselves as evening the scales of justice for what was done to them by taking revenge on the world.

The dwarve/frostwolf thing is more complicated than that. IIRC, Baggins has found that the Frostwolves attacked the dwarves first. And while moral ambiguity is a large part of Warcraft, there is clear good and evil in the universe.--Austin P (talk) 11:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it really a plague?
Hold on...how is it a 'plague' if it's a 'poison' or 'chemical'? If it's having bear tongues put into it? That doesn't make any sense. That's a chemical agent, not a disease. D: --Sulkdodds 16:31, 27 July 2006 (EDT)


 * Interesting point - I think it's a plague in that it's affecting huge numbers, rather than in a technical sense (random question, does HL2.net mean anything to you? =) -- Kirkburn 16:55, 27 July 2006 (EDT)


 * Then it would be an Epidemic, not a plauge. Just because it's a chemical does not mean it cant be a disease. There are plenty of man-made dieseases, some of which are in devolpment or are failed experiments. Plus, they aren't putting actual parts into the concotion, they are eithier putting a small amount(probably grinded) or using different parts to breed bacteria. Acjpb 21:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

WotLK new plague
Has the apothocary society shifted the new plauge's purpose? in the description for the Howling Fjord it states "On the eastern shore, the Forsaken have arrived, carrying a plague of their own to unleash upon the Lich King. Queen Sylvanas has been methodically and patiently overseeing the formulation of this contagion for several years, and the time has come at last to test its effectiveness against the Scourge." so can we safely say the plauge's true purpose has either changed or never been what we thought? (they could have used bits of the original plauge to transform the human into a scourge ghoul and then used the new plague to destroy it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

Sylvanas never wanted to use the plague on all living things only the Scourge. She has shown many times that she cares about the blood elves and WOTLK confirms this. Zarnks 20:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually according to the RPG she's just had many failures preparing a plague that's 100% effective for all races and living. She still has the ultimate plan to enslave the living to her will, so that she can become the new lich queen (except maybe the blood elves). Although her heart has been softened somewhat by the memories of her former race, now blood elves. In anycase time will only tell what her current plans are if she succeeds in wiping out her primary target the Scourge. We may find out if she will then turn on her other enemies, Scarlet Crusade, Alliance and others? There is still the chance given the oppertunity that she might continue to try to send the plague on Alliance compounds in Northrend as well, if they get in her way. If she could wipe them out, would she then turn on her alliance of conveniece with the majority of the Horde? Its too far in the future to know for sure. In anycase this article needs to be updated with expanded information given in the RPG, explaining history of the plague, up to TBC and Wrath.Baggins 23:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't really trust the earlier additions of the warcraft Rpg. They've made typos before, And the earlier additions foccused too much on the Alliance. If the game says Sylvanna's plague is for the scrouge,I'll take that. Its still debateable, and your sources are still sources and belong here. Zarnks 00:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I would say it never TRUELY affected the living and that it was parts of the ORIGINAL plague that transformed the human prisoner into scourge typeundead then the newplauge killed it. I also believe that we have all been strung allong by what is "apparent" and it was only stated as fact in the RPG books because the whole secret wold have been trashed if it wasnt treated as suchScorpx3 06:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The info mentioned in the RPG is actually mentioned in World of Warcraft manual, and in some of the quests in the game, for example. It didn't pull the information from just anywhere. The plan of the plague is not to just wipe out creatures, but also turn them into more forsaken.Baggins 06:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like the Forsaken vs Alliance plague quests are continued in Wrath.Baggins (talk) 20:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Call it reveal or retcon, Wrath of the lich king shows Sylvanas never wanted to use the plague on the living. Zarnks (talk) 03:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say it is necessarily a retcon, but since the blood elves joined the Horde Sylvanus attidude has started to change, she's starting to remember more of who she used to be. Its was also hinted that she was moving away from her original plans in previous sources. I don't think she would want to betray those who were members of her race, and by that she probably has become more caring towards life in general.


 * Also to be fair I'm not sure that the Forsaken Blight while directly created from New Plague research, is specifically the plague as had originally been envisioned? It doesn't see to have any "re-animating" component to it? But purely destructive to both undead and living?Baggins (talk) 17:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The Forsaken Blight
It's been a while since I did the quests on beta, but I'm fairly certain that a questline in the Dragonblight involves you helping come up with the name of the plague, which is decided to be called the Forsaken Blight. WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 11:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This is true, I did these quests today. There is a quest called "Give it a Name," in which Chief Plaguebringer Harris says, "This... It doesn't even have a proper name yet! This blight... That's it, BLIGHT! This blight will tear down the very fabric of life!" before giving the player a sample of the plague. That quest is the start of a quest chain that constantly refers to the "new plague" as the "Forsaken Blight." Jpsblue (talk) 04:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)