Talk:Life spans

Whelplings
What about them?--Gurluas 15:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Whelpling is the same term for "whelp" I think. Whelp is just short for whelpling.Baggins 10:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The small pets are much smaller than the whelps mobs, thus leading me to believe they must be younger?

maybe it newly hatched?, maybe they mean it takes 1 year for a whelpling to become a whelp and 100 years for a whelp to become a drake?, given whelps are plenty while drakes are rare.--Gurluas 13:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Whelplings and whelps are interchangable terms, in many sources, as far as I know. No your idea is wrong, it is very specific that between 1 and 100 years they are drakes already. Anything before that is considered a "whelp". Actually to be clear the book doesn't even mention whelps by that term, it just states that, no one had encountered any young dragons smaller than a drake, and that drakes, dragons, and wyrms are the three main age categories for dragons. Of course we do know that a few characters have since encountered whelps/whelplings (black whelps in Warcraft III in Barrow Dens comes to mind). If I recal correctly the implication in Warcraft III when the black whelps were first encountered, the heroes thought they were rare, of course MoM implies that anything younger than a drake is rare for dragons. It isn't until WoW that whelps started coming out of the woodwork so to speak.


 * BTW as its related, Monster Guide speaks of whelps being earliest stage of dragons growth, but does not speak of exact age between whelps and drakes.


 * Also, lest you forget the dragon whelps in ony cave encounter, are "newly hatched" when they start attacking you. So size matters not. That would also point to there being no difference between the term whelp and whelplings.Baggins 23:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well to make things even stranger, Dark Factions implies that not all whelps become drakes. It's possible for whelps can grow into adulthood and eventually die of old age/venerable/maximum age before ever becoming a drake. These whelps are basically giant oversized whelps (an adult whelp is at least 4 feet tall).Baggins (talk) 21:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Netherwing Dragonflight
The Netherwing Dragonflight is an incredibly young flight, having only been extant since Draenor was shattered - about 24 years by the beginning of the Burning Crusade - and as such, would all be drakes were they a different dragonflight as the age progressions provided show:

Whelps 0-1 Drakes 1-100 Mature 100+

However, I'm guessing that the fact that Neltharaku and his mate Karynaku are clearly mature dragons despite their young age means that the same rules don't apply. Thoughts? -- 19:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well there is some issues even with red dragonflight. If you go by details mentioned in Day of the Dragon, it would seem that red dragons were aging quickly... Their eggs were hatched, they grew into mounts, and they were apparently killed before they got too old and were uncontrollable. The problem I see here is that the time period between the second war and the battle of Grim Batol is very short indeed, something like 4-5 years? Warlock aging perhaps?


 * For the case of netherwings? The affect of the twisting nether?Baggins (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Night elven aging
Adult:300 (or 110) Middle age:500 Old:650 Venerable:700 Max age: 705-1200 (or up to 2000)

Nordrassil stood for 10 000 years, rendering the maximum age up to roughly 12 000 years; if you were old or venerable when Nordrassil was planted.

Even though, the Warcraft Encyclopedia states that "all elves are now mortal and have comparable lifespans that can extend as long as several thousand years". I'm not sure how to interpret this, but several thousand should be more than 2000. It might be that after losing their immortality, they've gained a longer life span than they had before the planting of Nordrassil. If I'm right in this, the maximum age per today still is 12 000.

Any thoughts on this? --Oponyxal 20:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted that these are characters (player characters) that have been born in the last 2000 years. That is they will have shorter lifespan than those that were living 10,000 years ago. Remember its a player character age table. The idea is one is playing characters that may be less knowledgeable than elders in their race. Although that's really just a suggestion anyone could play anyway they wanted to if they chose to. Infact one doesn't even have to stick to the table if they don't want to.Baggins (talk) 05:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Coobra is 5,344 years old... Doesn't look a day over 5,000 though. =) 20:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

um yea the night elves were inmortal it says so in Warcraft III, when talking about Malfurion's plan about burning the world tree Tirande says : "you do realize that we will age like this mortals" or something like that

Draenei
All we know about them is that they're (at least) extremely long-lived, right? 23:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

My guess is 10,000 years for pure Eredar and 1,000 for draenei, and immortal for Man'ari eredar(demons are immortal) 23:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed on man'ari being immortal. But regarding draenei lifespans, check Jessera of Mac'Aree's page.  (Also, "pure eredar" = draenei.)  23:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No, draenei have to live for at least 25,000 years. Velen and Jessera for example. Jormungand01 (talk) 15:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

25,000 is really long for even draenei, so 25.000-30.000 could be maximun lifespan that only heroes (velen, ect) can reach.Noobi666 (talk) 13:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

so here is my fanfict draenei lifespan:

adulhoof:3750, middle age:8750, old:13250, venetable:17500, maximum:25.000-30.000. Noobi666 (talk) 13:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Someone on Bloodmyst Isle, can't remember who, says "few now remember Argus" or something like that. Which indicates that there must be others who are that old. As for those who have died since leaving Argus, I'd expect quite a lot of those to have been killed by the Horde in Draenor, or else in the crashes of Oshu'gun and Exodar. So this seems to suggest that not so long ago (relatively) there was a sizeable population of draenei aged 25,000+.

...or only few have lived to presence day, meaning that some died to old age? Noobi666 (talk) 14:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, some will likely have died of old age over the millenia, but if there are a few still alive today there must once have been more. And I'd be very surprised if the ones aged 24,900 a hundred years ago all survived the Horde. Assuming a large proportion of them died then, there would have been quite a few who were that old beforehand. In addition a hundred years isn't much compared to the 25,000 they have lived so far, so I doubt that the deaths between then and now have all been from old age.

The page is currently claiming that they're immortal. AFAIK, that's still only speculation. (As for "age categories" as per D&D...I'd link to the Writerium, but it seems to be down.) As for "few now remember Argus," I'd put that down to the massacres on Draenor. (Path of Glory, anyone? That's a lot of bones.) Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 12:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * 3750 for adulthood? No wonder there are no Draenei drunks around, they're not of legal drinking age.
 * But to serious matters now, has anyone considered the idea that "few now remember Argus" isn't really so weird? You live to a few millenia and live on a vast surplus of worlds. Think you can still make out which world was which after all that? I wouldn't, I can't even remember my neighbors of 3 years ago.
 * Also, people have asked Metzen so many uestions about the lore, why hasn't ANYONE ever bothered asking him this?
 * Would Exarch Menelaous' text hint at a Draenei regular life span of 2,500 years? According to one of the comments on his wowhead page he says that the draenei spent 10 lifetimes fleeing from the Burning Legion. Delteri
 * Would Exarch Menelaous' text hint at a Draenei regular life span of 2,500 years? According to one of the comments on his wowhead page he says that the draenei spent 10 lifetimes fleeing from the Burning Legion. Delteri

Draenei lifespans need not be 25,000 years plus because of the 25,000 years of flight from Argus because of several possibilities. We know there are stasis pods at the crash site, so some sort of suspended animation could allow a draenei who would die of old age to survive thousands of years of space flight. We also know that the Exodar was a ship that could travel both through time and space, so it seems logical to consider whether any previous flights the draenei made may have employed the similar time travel technologies. There are draenei children orphans in Shattrath. What is the period of time between the fall of Shattrath to the orcs and its reestablishment upon the arrival of the Sha'tar naaru, and how long from the arrival of the naaru until present day? It seems likely those children were born only after the fall of Shattrath, and perhaps even after its rebuilding -- although perhaps they are also from the draenei camps in hiding after the fall. The fall seems at most 51 years ago, going by the official timeline and the Rise of the Horde. Cxj (talk) 21:56, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Nerubians
Why nerubians are separated from the other races? --Forco (talk) 21:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Long life spans
Greetings, i'm wondering why do some humans live to the severly long age of 125? Is there some typ of magic involved? Terrorblades (talk) 09:28, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes some mages can extend their lives with magic. The most prominent example being Aegwyn who lived to be over 800 years old. She of course is a very special case as she had the powers of the Tirisfallen at her disposal. I dont remeber where the issue is touched upon exactly but i seem to remember it stating it was very uncommon for mages to do this and even then it was nearly unheard of for a mage to see a second century. 09:47, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I added a note with it in the article. I hope it doesnt mean anything to you that i copied a couple of your lines. Aedror42 (talk) 10:19, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Worgen are the same as humans?
Obviously Worgen are transformed, "cursed" humans, but where does it actually say they still retain a human lifespan? For all we know, the addition of a druidic essence would grant them greater longevity. Near the end of the Worgen starting zone, they become attuned to nature similar to the Night elves. There's a section talking about magic prolonging life expectancies, and nature-based magic would definitely qualify, being life giving. What I'm suggesting is that we remove the "Worgen" from the "Human/Worgen" part on the top table, and add a part on this page noting the uncertainty of their lifespan and the possibility that they exceed human expectations. NPC Worgen display characteristic "Werewolf" traits of supernatural strength, endurance, etc. Like Draenei, we can't be sure. Myrlen Midnightstar (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't believe any lore specifies ages or lifespans for human Worgen specifically. Since they are human though, the best assumption would be that they age the same way normal humans do.  Besides, Gilneans have only been Worgen for a short time, so it's probably impossible to tell at the "present" whether or not their lifespans are affected in any way. Synchronizor (talk) 23:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

However, Night elves were given lifespans of 2,000 years after losing their immortality, and it certainly hasn't been that long since they lost it. Also, Worgen are not human. Their human guise is just that: a guise. A tether to their previous humanity. Similar to the Worgen before them, who were revealed to be Night elven Savagekin who had lost themselves to their original wolf forms and became lupine humanoids. The Gilnean Worgen regaining sanity makes them mentally different from the prior Worgen, but physically they're the same. So it would be inaccurate to throw them in as human, just because we know they *were* human. Myrlen Midnightstar (talk) 02:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

RPG
I've tagged the article with the RPG non-cannon tag in light of the new info.--Mondoblasto (talk) 22:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)