Talk:Dalaran/Analysis

Faction-theory
If Dalaran indeed will be a new Shattrath, then I assume they will use the same type of Aldor/Scyer-system as Shattrath. Kirin Tor will act as the equivalence for Sha'tar, and then we need two factions acting as Aldor and Scryer. To fit with the expansion, they should have some connection to Northrend. So my theory is as follows: One faction will consist of Drakkari Ice Trolls, and the other one by Nerubian rebellions. They both have one thing in common; they are enemies of Ner'zhul, and would both benefit from his downfall. They also hate each other (just like the Aldor and Scryer) since the old days of The Twin Empires. So what are your thoughts of this? Feel free to post your own ideas on this subject.-Odolwa 21:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I like it a lot, especially since Brann mentioned in his books that nerubians and Drakkari trolls bicker. --Super Bhaal 21:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Those two make sense in general, but for three things: Alpha) Yes, they both hate Ner'zhul, but Dalaran is primarily a base for the issues with the Blue Dragonflight; Beta) it stands to reason that the factions in Dalaran would be magic-related; the Ice Trolls have little evidence of the civilization needed for the sort of magical sophistication that the Kirin Tor would ally with, and we don't know about the Nerubians; Gamma) just because Dalaran is going to be similar to Shattrath in theory doesn't mean that it will also have the opposing factions aspect. While it is definetly a possibility, since the Aldor/Scryers has apparently worked well, it doesn't mean that they will replicate that aspect. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 23:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

ok im just throwing this one out there but u know what would have been kick ass... a third faction consisting of naga, blood elves, dranei, and... idk maybe pandaren. iv been thinking about it for a while. they could be based in out land or northrend and have illidan as there leader. it could actually fit into the story line of WC3 and wow to. come one you know it would kick so much ass.user:stormrage1313666


 * Factions? I really don't think there will be factions the same way we have the Aldor vs Scryers. For one thing, both the Alliance and the Horde are dealing with both Arthas and the Blue Dragonflight directly. In Outland, the main front of the Illidari-Shattrath war is held by the Sha'tar, which in itself has a sizable military presense against the Illidari. This in turn allows an Aldor vs Scryers and Alliance vs Horde conflict to happen behind the Sha'tari frontlines without endangering the fate of the world. After all, the Naarus did fight its way to the Black Temple's doorsteps by themselves. Not to mention, the direct interest of the Allianc and the Horde isn't affected by the going ons in Outland. Anything goes wrong in Outland, everyone can simply bail out the Black Portal and do a chokepoint at the Stairs of Destiny.
 * Arthas and the Blue Dragonflight on the otherhand, is a totally different story. There is no powerful Naarus to hide behind, the Kirin Tor on its own cannot hold against both the Scourge and the Blue Dragonflight. Also, Northrend is on Azeroth proper and its proximity is extremely close to 4 of the Alliance-Horde Capitals (Exodar, Tedressil, Silvermoon City, Undercity). Not to mention, the Horde side Capitals (UC and SMC) are already constantly under threat by a powerful Scourge presense in the Plaguelands. There is simply no room for petty Scryer-Aldor style politics, especially when there is already an informalised state of war between the Alliance and the Horde. With an entire zone in itself dedicated to Alliance-Horde conflict, a political Aldor-Scryer conflict would be suicide in face of 2 very powerful, aggresive and antagonistic factions. --Invin Dranoel 12:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually if the blue dragons will fight against the scourge factions rivalry is possible,also when you said only the Sha'tar fought the Illidari directly think again the scryer quests are closely involved in the war against Illidan and Kael,the aldor also (even if to a lesser extent) And not to mention that the forces that fights demons at the gates of the black temple are made upof scryers and aldor (the only member of the Sha'tar is that Naaru)Although you may be right a little bcause i kind of understand that scryers and aldor are sub-factions of the Sha'tar in a way being largely known as Sha'tar as well .Also if you can trust the quests the scourge in the Plaguelands are being held off pretty well (well at least nobody in overun).Anyway an entire faction similar to the Horde and Alliance would be very hard to explain due to the events of TBC(Marakanis)Cna't wait to hear your opinions


 * In Northern Eastern Kingdoms, the Scourge controls the Plaguelands and are contesting for the Ghostlands and Trisfal Glade. The only areas in Northern Eastern Kingdoms that are essentially safe from the Scourge would be Scarlet Crusade controlled Tyr's Hand and Hearthglen, Blood Elf controlled Eversong Forest and Forsaken controlled UnderCity. This mean the Scourge still controls vast land areas to the North. With Kel'Thuzad leading the Scourge here, this is no joke. Generally, any character from the Warcraft RTS should be taken seriously.
 * Like Aldor vs Scryers, the faction rivalry (if it happens) will also be a political one based on Racial Divide. Since Aldor vs Scryers is essentially Dranei vs Blood Elves, maybe the Dalaran conflict will be Human Mages vs Elven Mages? Unlikely. That would put the Blood Elf Race in the spotlight too much and knowing Blizzard, they try to go for balance. I still stand on this point. In face of 2 direct God-Level threat, Malygos and Arthas, a political divide like Scryer vs Aldor is suicide. --Invin Dranoel 13:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It wouldn't be suicide if Malygos would concentrate on the scourge as well,or/and if the burning legion interfers(like it always does)just like in the illidari situation.Anyway have you ever heard of those quests you get in the plaguelands?(Marakanis 11:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

Same thing could be said about BC in all honestness. There they stood against both Illidan and Kil'jaeden, which are both in the same league as Malygos and Lich King. Still they couldn't give up old rivalties.--Odolwa 12:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)