User talk:Pcj/Archive 2

Guild:Lords of War (Eitrigg US)
Why did you delete this page -- I was working on it when you deleted it -- I put the Guild tag as well as the Category:PvE guilds Tags and was working on the content - then I go to preview it I see "Page was removed by a Administrator while you were editing it" or words to that effect    message -- ( Morph  | Contribs | Talk ) 19:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please create a non-blank guild page, otherwise it will be speedy deleted per the DNP policy. -- 19:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
Why did you delete Patch 3.1.0 (undocumented changes)? I don't have a backup of the article, so I'm a bit frustrated right now, if the point was to just move the content to some 'correct' place. -Howbizr (talk) 19:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There are no undocumented changes because there are no "documented" changes. -- 20:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Nexus
I'm having trouble with some editors on the Template:Nexus. It links Malygos (tactics) as Malygos. A very difficult distinction from Malygos, an article had read previously looking for a strategy. I thought to make the distinction more clear I'd change it to something like Malygos (tactics). Every time I make the change or try to find a better way to clarify it, someone reverts it. The revert comments have been like, "editors can hover their mouse" or "once they click through they'll realize" or "Template:The Eye of Eternity takes care of this" when in fact Template:The Eye of Eternity does the same thing with Malygos and is not readily available unless you click show and look for 'lore'. I understand their possessiveness over the templates, but clearly not making the distinction only hurts the wiki and I see no down side to adding the two links as I proposed or any other solution. Any thoughts Mkdw talk 08:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a question for you... you say you went to Malygos accidentally when looking for a strategy, right? From this template? So rather than click the link, you typed it in, not realizing a (tactics) is included? 08:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I went to Eye of Eternity which looked like this when I first clicked it. No mention of strategy, so I clicked Malygos on the top which led me to the lore section. I ignored the other Malygos' on the EoE page because I assumed they went to the same place because... well it did say it. So I began to write a strategy for it until someone reverted my edits and in their comment mentioned Malygos (tactics) AND that time they didn't retitled it. Low and behold I clicked it knowing it was different than Malygos. Now that was so much easier than Malygos (tactics)... Mkdw talk 08:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok so the first linked maly went to the lore page, but Gourra attempted to fix the link, which you undid... then I undid your undid cause it shouldn't have been a see also thing when it was supposed to be the main thing. But I changed it back and made the strategy pop out more than just see also. Which unless someone else undoes that, I think it can stay like that. 08:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I see you're running into the same problem I was having. Someone has redone your work and yet again it says Malygos and Malygos. The section Mobs doesn't clarify whether its a strategy or lore. So Malygos appears 5 times on the article (2 of which go to lore), but you'd never know which goes where unless you hover. I'm sure most editors are like me in that they don't hover every link they click. They see Naxx they'll click it. They see a boss name in the Naxx article, they'll click it. Personally what you did before was better and if indeed the article name has the word tactics in it, which it does, then why can't the link reflect that? The reason tactics is in the article name is to distinguish itself from the article Malygos instead of calling it 'Malygos 2'. There seems to be some stigma that it's a sin to leave the article name in and retitle it making it more confusing and inconvenient. Retitles were meant to make the article more clear for readers if the article title didn't do that in the context of where the link was being used. Not for aesthetic purposes. Mkdw talk 19:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please take this discussion to the template talk page. The link should be Malygos, since this is a navigation template between instances, not a division of lore. -- 20:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Guild:Pancakes and Thunder (Malygos US)
Hi,

Just wondering why this was deleted by you? If you can please update me as to why I would appreciate it.

Thanks.
 * WP:GUILD. The page was missing proper categorization. -- 19:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The page was given that by someone else. Is there a way to get the content back so that I can fix the catagorization issue? Or can you give me the correct location where I can find the proper catagorization?

Thanks, Tang
 * Sure, I'll restore it. The proper categorization is listed in WP:GUILD. -- 22:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

ajax on non-eng pages
Hi, Pcj, i'd like to use your awesome ajax script for auto-updating pages, but i have wiki with non-eng. pagenames, so the script cannot set cookie correct, can u help me plz, what i need to edit to make it work-- drdead (talk) 20:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You should change wgPageName to wgArticleId in the cookie setting/reading part. That should make it fully internationalized. -- 20:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Tried this, but still doesnt work. Script writes cookie: "ajaxload-!" as content, not as name instead of name "ajaxload-blabla" and content "on" --drdead (talk) 22:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Portal.js
Just wondering if any other work on this was going to be completed. You said I had tio get everything else into place, and I believe I have done that. Is there something you are waiting on that I am unaware of? I haven't heard from you since January, just wondering what's going on... reference... Rappy talk  22:55, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

API PlaySoundFile SoundList
I found this (and the "sequel page" to be useful, bt i can understand your comment of them being hard to maintain and / or use. I would like to have them undeleted, if possible, so that I can break them up by instance / boss / event / etc. or, at the very least, so that I can get a local copy of them. If there is a chance of this, please let me know! talk page or wherever. FarFromUnique (talk) 05:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

User:BobbyDazzler and his Vandalism
Something needs to be done about BobbyDazzler he is deliberately going to different pages and changing the content to  F**k (repeated many times) - not 1 or 2 or even 3 pages  ( so far  I think I seen 7 or maybe 8 at last count ) pages vandalized by this person -- ( Morph  | Contribs | Talk ) 00:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * He's already been permabanned. 00:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Removal of changes from Patch 3.1.0 (undocumented changes) - I thought the point was to document the undocumented
I thought the point of the Undocumented changes page was to document what was missing from the official patch notes? How do you know what people want / do not want to see in them? I know of many people who want to know when new mounts and pets come out because they collect them - and I as a tailor like to know what new Recipies I will be able to make? The whole purpose of a wiki is for all to be able to add stuff (known to be true) to the wiki - why would anyone contribute if YOU keep removing things from them becaue You think no one wants to see that info (and I put the TOC to the right because it allowed for more information to be shown on the screen without makeing the page Scroll forever (since no text can be shown to the right of the current TOC (but tocright moves the TOC to the right and allows text to be displayed next to it on the left (taking up less space) - your way is Resctictive / Censored (to the contributors) and wasteful of page space -- ( Morph  | Contribs | Talk ) 01:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There are other ways to place the additions. This page should be limited to changes. -- 02:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * But those are changes (additions are changes to the game) changed from not being there to now being there. What do we have to do? make a page Patch 3.1.0 (undocumented additions) to place the Additions to the patch? That does not make sense. -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 03:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Mounts on the list of mounts, achievements on the list of achievements, Argent Tournament quests on its own page. It's the way we've always done it. -- 03:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Guild Page without notice or explanation, Attn: Pcj
Hello, I represent the WoW Guild "Wicked Tribe" on the Doomhammer US server in World of Warcraft, and would like for our Wiki article to be fully restored as soon as possible. It was deleted without comment or notice, either by mistake or malice, by "Pcj" according to the e-mail notice dated 2-25-09, and was linked to from this page: http://www.wowpedia.org/Server:Doomhammer_US, as are many of the other guilds.

The article was drafted to inform other WoW players of our history, structure, and principles, and was edited by another Admin already once who provided additional formatting and tags, and there is no reason that it should have been deleted in this manner.

It is not unreasonable to expect a reply within 48 hours, based on the number of posts here, and evidently deleting guild pages is not something Pcj normally does.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Regards
 * See WP:GUILD. -- 00:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have. What exactly is the trouble? Please restore the page if you will not direct me to what must be changed.
 * Thank You.
 * It was not properly categorized. -- 00:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Was it not stubbed properly by another Admin some time around 2/4? I'd like to be able to check the revision history again, and compare it to the guidelines page.

Thank You ````

EDIT: My mistake, it was 1/24 by Admin Gourra

WoWWiki page Guild:Wicked Tribe (Doomhammer US) has been changed by Gourra  Inbox Wikia  Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:45 AM  Reply-To: reply@not.possible To: ***************@gmail.com Dear Jakalecax,

There has been an edit to a page you are watching on WoWWiki.

See http://www.wowpedia.org/Guild:Wicked_Tribe_%28Doomhammer_US%29 for the current version.

To see all changes to this page since your last visit, click here: http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Guild:Wicked_Tribe_%28Doomhammer_US%29&diff=0&oldid=1753236

No edit summary was given

--Jakalecax (talk) 01:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't add any categories that would make the article categorized. -- 08:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

You didn't bother to summarize the changes either, nor include any remark about the two missing categories, so how was the author to know? At the time the article was written there was nothing which was intuitively found in wiki's policies or guidelines which directed one to read your full guild article tos, specifically with regards to "missing categories" (we just copied the form of what was an acceptible guild article at the time), and given the number of guilds which have had similar article structure it would be more time efficient for everyone moving forward for WoWWiki to include some warning before articles are deleted, and we wind up here.

Naturally you both may disagree, and evidently neither of you intend to be helpful and restore our page so that these two lines can be added: Categories Horde Guilds, and PvE guilds. One can take for granted that it would have to be rewrittetn from scratch, and that through warningless policy changes in the future others may likely find some other reason to delete it.

If being an Admin is merely the power to exercise brevity, you both excel at it.

Forgive me for expecting more.

--Jakalecax (talk) 22:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You obviously saw what Gourra put on your page, maybe you should have read it. See Stub/Guild for what it says.  I will restore it if you apologize for lying about the guild policies not being fully in place at the time you created the page and for expecting us to neglect the policy for you. -- 22:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I will not apologise to you or anyone else for "lying," and I accuse you of gross misconduct since you are apt to bend policy on the condition of receiving an apology to which you are not entitled; rather than to just restore it by request on the condition that the article be changed to fit into the two extra categories you very reluctantly called my attention to.

The policies and guidelines to which I linked were indeed read by me when I made an account and before publishing, and I followed the template of an already existing guild article, and in fact read the WW:Guild policies upon your stunted "See WW:Guild" reply. You gave no indication what was wrong with it until after that time, and despite the evidence that another Admin had seen our Guild Article and had edited it without comment, you cut me no slack for trying to understand what had happened or what was wrong, or for trying to comply.

You aren't simply unhelpful, you are complexedly so.

And I know even better now what not to ask for.

And from whom.

--Jakalecax (talk) 17:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you cannot follow policy, I cannot help you. As an administrator, I am enforcing policy, and I make no apology for it. -- 19:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I have shown a willingness and readiness to follow policies which are clear and abundantly available, generally and specifically with regards to the "improper categorization" which you had to be prodded to identify (in our Guild's case, it is still assumed- simply missing "Horde Guilds" and "PvE Guilds" tags), so you are intentionally mischaracterising our discourse and disparaging me personally.

As an Administrator who has demanded an apology from me to which you are not due, and will not receive, and who has selectively and contingently enforced policy, it is bare naked that you make no apologies of any sort; even if you could not conduct your affairs any less charitably, civily, or diligently.

Upon checking our guild link again, our article still has not been restored as well-requested three times before, and that I will not be given the opportunity to "follow policy" and to correct any categorization problems with the original copy.

You have refrained from any and all assistance deliberately, and exercised the worst discretion imaginable.

That- is thoroughly sorry.

--Jakalecax (talk) 21:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please discontinue this harassment or I will take measures to ensure that you do. -- 21:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out that you can simply recreate the guild page to comply with policy, but restoring the deleted page is entirely at my discretion. Sorry. -- 21:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

So it appears that I am not a lone complainant in this category. On March 12, 2009 I too received notice that my guild's wowwiki page had been deleted without notice or reason. Realm Fenris, Guild Disciples of the Light. It seem unfortunate for my smaller raiding guild and these fine guilds above that our sites were seemingly indiscriminately marked for deletion for reasons unknown. As a user/editor I would very much like to know what policies our site so neglectfully omitted/contained as to merit a full unrecoverable deletion. Seems to me an administrator of a site dedicated to a Game intended for light-hearted recreation, you would treat this position as a similar source of recreation. Please look to your position in this fashion, Pcj, and to the fundamental reason for this site's purpose of diversion and merriment, and not of scorn, retaliation, or as your last reply seems to indicate, threat.

--Moonbow70 (talk) 22:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)]
 * This is policy, if you have a problem with an implementation of the policy as it reads, please discuss it at Wowpedia talk:Guild pages policy. Thanks. -- 22:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Another deleted Guild Page requesting restoration
Please restore the page for Facta Non Verba, Arathor US as well. I was mildly surprised to see it missing as we recently emailed each other about this page being deleted previously.

Our thanks.

Ariule (talk) 20:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)Ariule
 * Your guild page did not comply with the WP:GUILD policy. -- 21:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I see. Disappointing. Ariule


 * Implying that you should start a guild page based on help:guild articles/Preload, which will make your page comply! --Sky (t · c · w) 19:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * We will certainly consider doing so. Appreciate the assistance from many WoWWiki Users in getting our Wiki up and running. Ariule

Preferences/extension issue
Morning! I was planning on switching on a new addition today called user badges (see the announcement on ), but when I tried it out, it seemed to destroy the tooltips tab in the preferences window. Is that due to changing the number of preference tabs? Is it a quick fix? Thanks 00:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * How does the tooltips thing work now? Found Wowpedia:Tooltips, cool :) Btw, we're also having some problems with the main page loading - do you know of any changes in the past few days that might have caused that? Not to accuse you, but we're getting kinda stuck finding a possible reason atm :s Did you change any caching stuff? 00:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like it was the WoW Insider RSS feed instead, which I've removed for now. We're going to look into why that had such a catastrophic effect. 01:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Lords of War (Eitrigg US) sub page removal
Why did you remove the supbage :Lords of War (Eitrigg US)/Guild Stats? - I put all the information you require on it:

Category:PvE guilds Category:Alliance guilds Category:Server:Eitrigg US

And per your policy if my page did not meet requirements ( since you do NOT like to explain why you delete things in the Descriptions ) - you think everyone can just read your mind or somthing - it states you will 1st put Stub/Guild for 30 Days 2nd and then speedydelete if it is not corrected -- You should show some sence of Inteligece and Explain things - not everyone can read your mind - and who knows someone may have MISSED a rule -- all you have to do is say see the section on so we can fix it - YOU do not give anyone a chance to fix anything -- you just DELETE -( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 17:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, calm down. You named it incorrectly. -- 17:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * How did I name it wrongly ?? I put in a link inside the main page /Guild Stats - or is did you want it to be small stats /Guild stats? -- ( Morph | Contribs | Talk ) 18:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For whatever reason, it produced a page that was named "/Guild stats" (when it should have been produced "Guild:X (Y US)/Guild stats, but that looks like a bug)... which obviously is a bad way to name it. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * And a bug in Wikia's Software warrants the right to not Explain anything ?? How was I to know it did not show up correctly in your reports because the page it made the page properly ( it just did NOT show up on your end properly )) - that is NOT my fault that Wikia had a bug - and I should have been told why it was deleted - no matter what - we do deserver that ( SMALL ) amount of information  - and as stated before - he was supposed to 1 Tag it with Stub/Guild for 30 days and then speedydelete if it is not corrected ( or the very least - heaven forbid he could have moved it to the right place ) -- but no mater what asking him to put a explanation is not asking too much - ( Morph  | Contribs | Talk ) 18:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Calm down, there was a technical problem with the page name which limited what you could do with it. -- 19:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Elders of Turalyon
I appreciate your speedy response on the matter.

Could you please revert the final change made by the vandal before locking? Thank you so much!

Vylsok (talk) 23:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

question about deleted page Template:User_Loremaster_(continent)
i created a couple Template:User_Loremaster_(continent) entries... i think it were Template:User_Loremaster, Template:User_Loremaster_Outland  , Template:User_Loremaster_Northrend ,Template:User_Loremaster_Kalimdor  &  Template:User_Loremaster_EasternKingdom  .. since i felt they were missing from the collection (and since i wanted to use them) .. but now (some?) they are gone ?!! , granted they could have been better and i had copied the concept but at least used the correct image and links and all that nice stuff.. so i ask myself, why are they deleted ? did your bot catch them since i made the final 3 in a short timespan of each other ? or is there a other reason? CoZ
 * Ose replaced them with User achievement. -- 03:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ahhh.. i noticed about 30 seconds ago as well, i thought you deleted it since i had a 'old but containing more'  preview of my user page open in background and that showed the templates as broken ; but i had changed enough that i did't want to just refresh straight away. .. so i carefully looked in a new window where the template had gone and all i found was the line that it was deleted..   but after a while noticed that my user page still had it. which confused me all the more... and thats when i found out what really happened ...      anyway, thanks :)    .. good idea too, that User achievement  CoZ 03:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

ohh .. one other thing .. I started and postponed/failed misserable to come up with a template that was supposed to end up having the same functionality/feel as the ingame achievement panel or, in simple terms, i wanted to see if its possible to create a more browse friendly template/navigation thingy. .

the current World of Warcraft achievements navigation tool is too limited, and the overviews of the individual category's like Player_vs._Player_achievements give in my opinion a slight information overflow if you just want to browse the achievements.

Is there already something alike in development?

link could help *doh* ... User:Coz/World_of_Warcraft_achievements

cheers 04:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Whys is my guild page deleted. http://www.wowpedia.org/Guild:Lost_Boys_%28Proudmoore_US%29

Please restore it asap.

Thanks,
 * It did not contain required information per WP:GUILD. -- 12:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Guild page deleted
Hi, excuse me. Why my guild page was deleted? (forget my bad english)

the page is http://www.wowpedia.org/Guild:Ordine_di_atlantide_(The_Sha%27tar_EU)

thx
 * It did not contain required information per WP:GUILD. -- 12:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Page
Can I create a sub-page like User:Evilgramps/Story for example? --Evilgramps (talk) 13:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes...see WP:PA. -- 14:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. I have been a member for some time but this is my first contribution. I wanted to provided WoWers with another link to easily download new patches, so I will be posting them, as they come in. Have a great day! Bobalobabingbong (talk) 18:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Deleted page
Yesterday, you deleted the subpage "Smokywood_Pastures/Feast_of_Winter_Veil_lower_value_goods_vendors". Is there a way I could see the content of that page? It was transcluded into over a dozen other pages which mostly have red links now, and I'd like to take a look at the content and see if I can come up with a fix, probably an appropriate public template. -- 20:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops, thought I checked all the "What links here" stuff...restored. -- 20:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

sigh
"I'll be looking at this over the weekend." I hate to bug you, but it's been 3 weeks since you said that, and it's been over 2 months since I contacted you about it in the first place. I hate to think I did all that work and waited this long for nothing. Will you be able to do something with this soon? reference &mdash; Rappy  talk  12:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Am I safe to assume to copy that code to here? &mdash; Rappy talk  20:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Works flawlessly. A few more questions though if I may... I notice here that your Portal:Main does not show a header telling you the page name. How was that done? Also, should I add a simple redirect from Main Page to Portal:Main? Or is there another way to state what page is the main page in settings somewhere? &mdash; Rappy talk  21:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully this is the last time I bother you. For some reason, when navigating to the main page without being set, it is defaulting to Burnout 2, when it should be Burnout Paradise. Would you mind checking the code to see if it is your error or mine? I can't seem to find it. Also, is there a way to take the focus away from the tab you just clicked? It's surrounded by a orange box once you click it. &mdash; Rappy  talk  22:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Found the bug with the tabs, only thing I need to know is if I can pull the focus away from a tab I just clicked on. &mdash; Rappy talk  23:21, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can probably mess with the CSS, modifying link decorations or something. -- 00:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Guild Page deleted
Hello, I represent the WoW Guild "Portucale" on the Frostmane EU server in World of Warcraft, and would like for our Wiki page to be fully restored if possible. And can you explain why was deleted ? If theres anything wrong please tell. Thank you. Regards.
 * Please review WP:GUILD. I can restore the page if you will make sure it complies with the policy. -- 21:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes please restore, i will review our page to make sure it complies with the policy. And if possible i would apreciate if you could tell where was the problems. Thank you.
 * It requires proper categorization per WP:GUILD. -- 14:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your help, 5 stars :) . I supose now its all complied with the policy.

Tooltip quirkiness
Hi. I have been noticing a few quirks with tooltips under various browsers, and was told this would be an appropriate place to mention them. Mostly, the issue I experience is that tooltips for quests and categories (the one that indicates if the category is empty or has pages/subcategories) get positioned under the cursor in certain cases. There are a few examples I can mention. One is the Reputation Quests table on the Sons of Hodir page. If the browser window is small enough, the popup appears under the cursor, preventing the user from clicking on the quest. Sometimes the popup is just below the cursor, but most often the cursor seems to end up at the middle of the right edge. Further down the page, where rep items are listed, there is no problem, as the item popup is displayed further to the left of the cursor. I noticed this issue in Firefox 3.0.0.6, 3.0.0.7, Internet Explorer 8 with and without Compatibility Mode, and Google Chrome.

The other quirk can be seen on Category:Things to do, with the categories in the rightmost column. In Firefox, the tooltip flickers, and is hard to view. In Chrome, it is positioned below the mouse, preventing clicks. And in Internet Explorer 8, the tooltips don't display at all.
 * I'll look at it. -- 18:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, I found this issue too and reported about it here http://www.wowpedia.org/Template_talk:Coords#Coord_template_bug_with_overlapping. I was able to fix it for russian wiki, you can see fix here http://ru.wow.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Fairax_nme/monaco.js. Fixed tooltip positioning should work skin independantly and across all browsers except IE6. Fix is based on using of positioning:fixed for tooltip positioning and clientX/clientY for mouse coordinates. Fairax (talk) 10:54, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * This works great, thank you very much. -- 12:58, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Help with link search please
I'm very new at this. What i would like to do is that when you search Untold, (Untold from Sentinels US) my guild appears in the results. Right now, there is an Untold guild, redirect from Guild:Untold, but its another one, from another server. What do i have to do for mine to appears?

Thx for helping

Myrtille (talk) 19:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Typing Untold in the search box should take you straight to a disambig page now. For a full-text search it may take a day or two for the search database to update... -- 19:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thx a bunch!!!Myrtille (talk) 19:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

What was wrong with Template:User Paint net?
i spent some time making that template, after i searced for one corosponding to ... and you deleted it, for from what i can tell no reason! is ther a reason> or was it "By accident??"" 21:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:DNP, your template is off-topic. -- 21:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And the Gimp one isnt? its the same thing! userboxes arnt necicarily on topic!! what about Template:user Firefox?? there are 1001 userboxes that are not "on topic" "Template:User SurvivedBC isnt on-topic persay.....


 * the Of Topic refers to articles, not userboxes, here is what it says, and i Quote

* The now-deleted articles on various gaming consoles. They may be gaming machines, but they have never run WoW. * A guild page containing nothing but an encyclopedia entry on the bird family (the animal).
 * unless these pages are all improper, ther should be a reasonable ammount of linniancy
 * User:Corhen/Sig}} 21:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Gimp was off-topic and was removed too, the others at least mention WoW/WoWWiki. Off-topic means anywhere. See WP:DNP: "DNP stands for Do Not Post. Things on this list should not be posted anywhere on WoWWiki." Anywhere means anywhere. -- 22:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Mangalam talk
You added this to my talk page ... I took it out; what's it supposed to mean?
 * I guess is an accomplishment!

Delete this as you see fit. --Mangalam (talk) 02:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This is what he added. You added the rest of it. 05:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Request to add JS for DB search for achievements not in WoWWiki on templates
Hey, Pcj, can you add the JS support for super-scripted DB search links for missing achievement articles (like ) linked with achievement and achievementlong similar to the support for loot (i.e. )? I would leave off Armory and Allakhazam searches, but it's really up to you. Thanks in advance. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 5:28 PM PST 26 Mar 2009
 * Added. -- 21:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --[[File:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 11:15 PM PST 27 Mar 2009

Elders of Turalyon Removal
I'm unclear as to why a page (The Elders of Turalyon (Turalyon US)) was deleted? The page had relevant information that's only issue was that it was the target of vandals.

The page was fine.

Is it policy to remove pages when we simply feel like they aren't worth monitoring for random acts of childishness? Isn't this just kowtowing to those immature people who would do such a thing in the first place?

Vylsok (talk) 12:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It was a stub for 30 days. See WP:GUILD -- 12:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome tool fixed
Hi! I got your e-mail about the welcome tool. There was a problem with the welcomes for a couple hours this morning... I'm glad you caught it and switched out @latest. We figured out what the problem was -- we're trying to add one more piece of customization, but the tweak didn't work right. It's fixed now, so I'll switch MediaWiki:Welcome-user back to @latest.

So -- sorry about the confusion -- this is always the way it goes with brand-new features; you have momentary bumps along the way. If you see any more problems with it, please let me know! -- Danny (talk ) 21:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha, I just saw that you changed Welcome-user while I was typing to you. :) -- Danny (talk ) 21:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

MatureAssKickers stub/guild
I saw that you'd tagged Guild:MatureAssKickers (Bleeding Hollow US) and wanted to verify what caused that. Is it because the name is not in the armory? At one time that was the guild's name, but apparently someone complained and Blizzard asked for a rename. (It was our name since 2000 for another game, Tribes 2, and we brought it with us into WoW. We're mostly a bunch of older guys.) So we changed it to < M A > (space, M, space, A, space). I've put that name as a comment on the realm page. I suppose I should add this info to the history section of our guild page. What's the best course of action to deal with the stub tag? Rename pages and links? Or keep the name and add a redirect from the in-game abbreviated name? -- ScratchMonkey (talk) 17:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Move the page to the correct name and provide the required categorization per guild page policy. -- 17:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there anything special I need to do to deal with the spaces bracketing the in-game name? Should it be Guild: M A (Bleeding Hollow US) (double space after the "A")? It looks like the Wiki code is going to remove the bracketing spaces, which will likely put us back in the same situation. (This also caused trouble with our WoWRoster software, and I had to get a code fix for that.) -- ScratchMonkey (talk) 18:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Drop the leading and trailing spaces in your guild name. I will adjust the policy accordingly. -- 18:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks. -- ScratchMonkey (talk) 18:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the page was deleted again. The edit comment in the notification email was truncated, so I don't know what the reason was. Here's the Armory page. -- ScratchMonkey (talk) 05:59, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Because of the way you named it, the guild template doesn't seem to work correctly with it, thus showing an error when clicked on for your armory page. I've restored it and added an armory link at the bottom. 06:50, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * It also doesn't seem to show up on an Armory search... -- 13:23, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * I do apologize for the naming scheme. That was done before I joined the guild and volunteered to write a wiki page for it, and I completely sympathize with the problems it's causing. As a programmer myself, I detest spaces in filenames, and leading and trailing significant spaces are particularly abhorrent. (I was a member of MA the multi-game team long before it played WoW, but didn't start playing WoW until long after others on the team had to deal with Blizzard's naming policy. Others ran into the same problem with Guild Wars, but GW's creators relented and reinstated our full name.) -- ScratchMonkey (talk) 16:14, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I don't consider this a highly important problem, so feel free to back-burner it. If you can let me know "what links here" I can change those links to web links that point to the guild's hosting, instead. -- ScratchMonkey (talk) 16:16, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Biography section @ Grizzly Hills US
Why do you keep deleting the Biography section, on Server:Grizzly Hills-US page? --Felhearte (talk) 00:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Felhearte
 * To preserve a neutral point of view. -- 00:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

-I'll rewrite the previous biographies to obtain the.. neutrality. --Felhearte (talk) 00:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Felhearte


 * If you have a problem with anything said, or feel that it is unneutral, delete the comment instead of the entire section.
 * Thanks.


 * --Felhearte (talk) 00:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Felhearte

Search links issue for loot links
See Template_talk:Loot. Thanks. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 6:26 PM PST 7 Apr 2009

Achievement things
I have seen some thing on some user's page its like a little box and say ssomethin like this user has traveled throught the dark portal. How do i get that on mine?
 * See Wowpedia:List of user templates. Put the code listed there on your user page. -- 01:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Removing / Subpages
Heh you are a little late -- The pages I did today was the last of them - unless I missed some, otherwise there are no more sub pages for the achievments now - You caught me when I was doing the  Literaly last 2 pages -- but i had to wait the 2 hours to post this on your page ( since you blocked me for 2 hours ) - but there should not be any more page moves  to remove  the  slash /  subpages from the achievements section - they are all moved now -- (M o r p h  | C  | T )  04:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Val'anyr
can you unlock Val'anyr, Gavel of Ancient Kings? it is in game now while fairly new and little is known about it, it is apparently in game and i was going to begin starting the page. please respond on my talk page-- 04:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Are there any screenshots at all about it? -- 11:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Uldum
If that issue has come up, You may want to look at "Talk:Infinite dragonflight", though there might be something useful on that one.-- 20:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. -- 20:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright. -- 21:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Sandbox Redirect
Thanks for the redirect on the sandbox to my personal sandbox. I don't edit much so I guess I missed something on the sandbox rules. -- 21:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Your thoughts on alternating color row table javascript
Take a look at w:Forum:Alternative row colors in a table. Should we try using a variation of that javascript on WoWWiki? It seems a little awkward (needing an outside div), but it would help with alot of our tables if it works okay. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 5:06 PM PST 24 Apr 2009
 * You mean the already-implemented class="zebra" (no outside div required)? See User:Pcj/Zebra tables. -- 00:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

guild page deletion
I'd like to know why exactly you deleted my guilds page Eudaemonia (talk) 23:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Which guild page? -- 23:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.wowpedia.org/Guild:Vortex_(Nathrezim_US)Eudaemonia (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It did not have required categorization per WP:GUILD. -- 23:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It is exactly the same format as our other guild page located here: http://www.wowpedia.org/Guild:Vortex_(Terokkar_US) so perhaps you could be a bit more specific about what exactly isn't meeting the guidelines.  Also - I'd like it restored since I had no previous notice that there was anthing wrong with it.  The page has been there for quite a long time so this is rather out of the blue to be deciding it doesn't meet some criteria this late after creation.  Eudaemonia (talk) 00:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Your other page has the correct categorization. Look in "Categories" at the bottom of the page.  Also see the WP:GUILD for how notification of guild stubbing is handled.  I will restore your page if you will categorize it correctly. -- 00:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That seems a bit excessive to delete something because it said raiding guild instead of pve guild. In any case it's corrected.  I'd suggest to you that perhaps you should review your deletion process however.  After reviewing your page of talk comments, it seems to be a common issue that you are getting complaints about deleting guilds pages.... I would have fixed the issue if I had known it was one to start with (which seems to be the general "theme" in your past discussions with people)Eudaemonia (talk) 02:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to suggest a change to the policy, please do so on the policy's talk page. Thanks. -- 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

tooltip for buffs/debuffs
Hi, fandyllic said i should talk to you about a way to do mouse-over tooltip popups for buffs and debuffs. Is that implemented yet as a template or is there some other way i can do it?

thanks -- Manhamer (talk) 06:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There is nothing like that available. Give me an example of what you are looking for. -- 22:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Like this but for spells effects, buffs and debuffs.   Basically if you look at the buff

pages (like Battle Shout) they use the "Infobox ability" template. The first thing it displays is a little box that looks like it could be a mouse over tooltip. Basically that would be great to have as a mouse over.
 * OK, I'll work on it. -- 01:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Ensidia Page Deletion
Hey, I need to know something. Why exactly did you delete the WoWWiki page for the most successful guild in the world? That page had categorization, proper links, relevant information and a lot of back history. So why did you delete it??? D arth B otto talk•cont 09:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC
 * It did not have all of the required categorization per WP:GUILD. -- 21:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Guild Page Deletion
Hi Pcj. You recently deleted my guild page at Guild:Ninth Order (Frostmane EU). I believe it was flaged as Guild Stub or not following the WP:GUILD. Is it possible to restore the page and I make sure It follows all the guild page policy? Thanks in advance! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by. (10:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC))
 * Done. -- 12:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Harkor's Ingredients
I assume you have a particular reason for reordering the flavor line; could you tell me? As far as I know, it makes no difference. And as for the item level, Thottbot listed no level, there's no level shown in-game, and it's a quest item, for the love of peat. Does it really make that much of a difference?

As for Shimmering Snowcap, is there a policy standard on object image placement? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Item level does play a part in several different templates and I do like to have it on all tooltips for the sake of consistency.
 * As far as image placement, no policy, but the guideline (WP:IMG) says, "Images should generally be right aligned to enhance readability by allowing a smooth flow of text down the left margin - the "thumb" option does this by default." -- 20:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Odd feeling. First time I've caught someone running ahead of me creating stubs. Did you want to complete Stick, or should I? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. -- 22:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I find it curious that the (I presume it is a...) bot you use to create item page stubs does not identify the (armor class) (slot) for created a category. Or is that a deliberate decision? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's something I haven't implemented yet. -- 22:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Convenient bot script, though, saves me a good bit of time looking up/cut-and-paste/forming. Could wish for a somewhat different order of tags in the Tooltip macro it creates, though.  You might have seen that... :) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Tabs
Hey, I am Stefan and I am working on a main page for the dutch RuneScape and WOW wiki. I liked these tabs and portals and copied it to the RuneScape wiki and adapt the page into dutch. I made already an homepage for the Runescape site, but the tabs are not working like here. Every time that I click on a tab, I will go to that page, instead of staying on the same page.

Could you help me?

I only made installed the tabs on the RuneScape wiki.


 * Dutch RuneScape wiki
 * Dutch WOW Wiki

--Darth Stefan (talk) 16:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)Darth Stefan
 * You need to install the relevant JavaScript too:

// portal switch var pspans; var cTab = 1; function doPortals { tabs = document.getElementById("mptabs"); if (tabs) { pspans = tabs.getElementsByTagName("span"); for (x=0;x<pspans.length;x++) { if (pspans[x].className == "activetab" || pspans[x].className == "inactivetab") { pspans[x].parentNode.onclick = switchTab.bind(pspans[x].parentNode,x/2); if (pspans[x].parentNode.tagName.toLowerCase == "a") { pspans[x].parentNode.href = "javascript:;"; } else { pspans[x].parentNode.style.cursor = "pointer"; } if (pspans[x].className == "activetab") cTab = (x/2)+1; } } } } function switchTab(x) { pspans[2*(cTab-1)].className = "inactivetab"; document.getElementById("portal"+cTab).style.display = "none"; cTab = x+1; pspans[2*x].className = "activetab"; document.getElementById("portal"+cTab).style.display = ""; } function performTabs { if (wgCanonicalNamespace == "Portal") doPortals; } addOnloadHook(performTabs);


 * You will need to put the portals in the Portal namespace for this to activate or otherwise change the script to recognize each page. -- 16:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

wikipage deletion
Hi, I had created and maintained a wikipage, "http://www.wowpedia.org/Guild:Reborn_(Frostmane_US)"; however, it was recently deleted by you.
 * 7:27, 28 April 2009 Pcj (Talk | contribs) deleted "Guild:Reborn (Frostmane US)"

I was following up to understand why it was deleted and get the wikipage back up. Thanks for your time & help. Reborn Virtue (talk) 09:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The guild page was deleted because it was tagged as a guild stub (you could see that in the deletion reason); see WP:GUILD. -- 09:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for information. I must have overlooked the reason as I glanced/assumed it to be an excerpt of the code from the guild's wikipage. Is there a way I can get the source of "http://www.wowpedia.org/Guild:Reborn_(Frostmane_US)"? I'd like to recreate the wikipage following the guidelines of WP:GUILD. Thanks again for you time & help. Reborn Virtue (talk) 05:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The guild page has been restored. -- 10:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I was busy and revisited this too late. It got deleted before I could update it. I'll check back later today & tomorrow to see if I'm fortunate enough to get another shot. Thanks for your time & help. Reborn Virtue (talk) 13:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Made edits. Let me know if I overlooked anything. Thanks.Reborn Virtue (talk) 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

tooltips on other wikis
Hi Pjc,Ii was talking with T-motion of hu.wow, trying to get your tooltips to work, and i figured out why its not working. the popup is working now, but its not finding the data it needs because its looking in the wrong pagename.

his test is at http://hu.wow.wikia.com/wiki/Szerkeszt%C5%91:T-motion/Sandbox its attempting to request data from ?action=parse&prop=text&text=&format=json

notice whats wrong there?

something in your code is assuming its working under wowwiki's short url structure, and seems to be taking everything after the first / as the pagename, instead of using the available mediawiki js global wgPageName. rather then spend hours trying to untangle where its coming from, i'll let you, since you likely know right where its doing that at.

i hope you can help. --Uberfuzzy 05:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't very well use wgPageName since that would be referring to the page it's on, not the page for which you're trying to obtain data...
 * In the function showItemTip, change
 * to
 * -- 12:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Look http://ru.wow.wikia.com. We has same problems, but now all scripts working after change paths. Strizh 13:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * -- 12:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Look http://ru.wow.wikia.com. We has same problems, but now all scripts working after change paths. Strizh 13:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Npcbox/doc
Interwikia was deleted. Why?
 * Sorry, it was an accident. -- 19:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thx. And thanks for your help with scripts on russian part of WoWWiki :) Strizh 20:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Achievementlong Template
Where does this template get its information from? I have been editing Storm the Beach and imported a boilerplate in the process and now in Player_vs._Player_achievements/Strand_of_the_Ancients the Storm the Beach entry in the table shows the boilerplate 'Illidan Hugger' entry next to it. Rollum (talk) 21:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- 21:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Zebra tables ready?
I was wondering if the zebra table class was ready for use. I know when you first created a prototype there were some issues with it (I think the stripes vanished when you reloaded the page). The only issue I can see now is that the striping loses its alternation when you re-sort the table. i.e. row colours sort with the row content rather than remaining true to the row number, but perhaps this is intended. Thanks :) --w.woods (talk) 05:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's ready. -- 13:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Unfortunately I just ran into another problem: when the table is embedded using the Ajax target code, the zebra striping doesn't appear, though it still does in the original page. Compare the Apprentice table in Jewelcrafting designs with the original: Apprentice jewelcrafting designs. --w.woods (talk) 00:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Very well, I'll revert my changes till this is fixed. I can't leave the tables bugged indefinitely.--w.woods (talk) 23:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:WoWWiki AddOn updater
Any idea who might do the coding? Kirkburn? -Howbizr (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

New Contributor
If there is anything you would like me to take care of, please feel free to forward it to me. I have played a hunter and nothing but since Pre-BC, so I do have a bit of expertise in that area. I am also a bit of a spelling nerd and like to play with lore. :D Gutentag - Area 52 23:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Zebra table bug
I noted this in the previous topic on zebra tables, but that seems to have been deleted.

There's still, unfortunately, a bug with zebra tables when they're embedded in the Ajax "click to load" code. When embedded in such a way, they lose their stripes (do they become horse tables?)

As an example, please check out User:W.woods/Sandbox1 compared to the table it embeds: User:Pcj/Zebra_tables.

I'll check it out. -- 17:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I see the former topic is back again. Seems that your talk page was truncating the other day. --w.woods (talk) 04:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Million MPH - Cenarius Server page deletion
Hello there, wonderful site here, thank you for the chance to allow users to post info about their guilds it really helps. My question is regarding the deletion of Million MPH info page. Why was it deleted and please let me know what I can do so it is not deleted again. Thank you.
 * It was deleted because it did not comply to WP:GUILD policy - it required additional categorization. -- 22:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Guild: Keepers of Stromgarde (Venture Co US)
Good morning sir, We were on the process of getting our guild wiki restored and I noticed that a day haven't gone by since its restoration and it got deleted again. Could you clarify the reasons what you made that choice so we can fix it as soon as you bring our wiki back up? Thanks. (Leo 15:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC))
 * It does not have required categorization per WP:GUILD. I will restore your page for another day. -- 15:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I've noticed you made some changes yourself. Now, if there's anything else we need to do into order to further comply to the ruleset do let us know. (Leo 15:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC))

Golem Control Unit
How about you take a look at The end product before you make some final decision.

What, precisely is so sacred about item pages, and particularly quest item pages, that we can't have constructions of this nature?

I realize that you don't get a full-and-accurate item popup, when this construction occurs, but for a quest item is it really that important? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're not the one to receive complaints when popup tooltips don't look exactly as they appear on the page. Also, there already exists a method for multiple tooltips on one page. -- 22:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Multiple tooltips... Is there now? Could you show me?
 * As for "not looking exactly as they appear on the page", it's a bit too late for that, don't ya think? The standard solution is "make a second page".  You already know my opinion on that.  If you have a method for foxing the right tooltip instance for the right quest page, I'll be on it like white on rice.  Otherwise, it'll be some POS disambiguation solution. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Amusingly enough, my comment for my "final" version of this page included "Now to watch people whine about the tooltip not looking precisely right." --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Adding quotes.
To Pcj,

Hello, I'm a new contributor to WoWWiki, but I'm very dedicated to keeping order and improving it in any way I can. That's why I've been holding back, editing pages only when I'm sure that I can make a well-done contribution. I've also taken the liberty of adding a quote to the Tirion Fordring page: The speech that Tirion makes in the aftermath of the Battle for Light's Hope Chapel. However, I'm not sure how I can source it, and since this is a new contributor to a more experienced one, I'm hoping you can explain. Any help you can give me will be very much appreciated, as will any comments that you might leave when I write my own user page in the future. One last thing, if there's any problems that anyone has with me, be sure to let me know.
 * You can use the Text template. -- 16:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Deceased characters; also, javascript popups
1) Looks like it just took me to break people out of "there are only two solutions here". Thanks for confirming me on that.

2) I had wikia javascript enabled (Firefox, NoScript). When I moused over the "T" in your signature, I got a popup that listed recent conversations.  However, that popup prevented me from actually clicking on the "T" link.  Coobra has a T/C sig much like yours, but with only text in it.  That seems to place the popup just off the cursor; I could still click on his.  Is it just that my computer is "special"? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, I was unhappy with the choices (which is why I didn't vote) but don't really care either way. Gourra prodded me to look at it and since I was at it anyway I spelled it out.  Also the Venn diagram annoyed me.  I'll look at the JS thing. -- 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Javascript (bump) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Grammar mistake?
Hi Pcj. You wrote: Categories should not be subcategories of parents of parent categories in Wowpedia:Category policy.

You may have made a grammar mistake or mean other thing because it seem confusing. I would fix it myself but I'm not sure if normal users are supposed to edit policy pages. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 21:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'll try to explain it better. -- 21:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

(User deleted post delivered to wrong section by merit of sleep deprivation =_=U) Zenithas (talk) 19:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Guild Page Edit/Deletion
Thanks for fixing the old stub tag on the Cult of the Zenith (Ravenholdt US) page, PCJ.

And... having just looked over your talk page, did you ever think of just putting a big sign at the top of the page saying "ARE YOU COMING HERE TO ASK WHY I DELETED YOUR GUILD PAGE? YES? CLICK THIS LINK: WW:GUILD"

(Edit: Forgot both title and signature >_>U)

Zenithas (talk) 19:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I always include a reference to WP:GUILD in the deletion reason; people don't click that link, they wouldn't click the link on my page. -- 20:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Figured that would end up being the case. Thanks nonetheless, and good luck. I don't envy you. Zenithas (talk) 01:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Why "paladin class changes"
I wrote that because, Eyonix pretty much said that in so many words, before he went on to explain the overhaul on holy as well as other significant changes to ret and prot.

1:11 PM, 30 Jun 2009 (EDT)
 * They also highlighted druid skin changes and shaman UI changes, and in the patch notes themselves, death knights were the ones who received "significant talent changes", meriting a talent reset. I do not believe that the paladin changes are any more significant than those of the other classes. -- 17:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

<Race> (playable)
Since we splited all playable race articles from the main race articles to split Lore and Game mechanics, the Infobox used for all <Race> (playable) don't fit much a basic game description.

I've ended up creating this new template Infobox Playable. It resumes the main points of the playable race in-game (name, race crest, faction, its classes (wow), its two languages, starting zone, racial capital, racial leader, racial mount).

All races are listed here: User:A'noob/Draft.

The goal is to have something completelty (or mostly) splited from Lore.

If you can think of anything else let me know, and tell me if you think I can set it on the playable race articles.

17:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

popup
dont know if its possible, couldnt find any info in help. However is there a way to have a guild tooltip popup window? such as the ? thought i'd ask here before giving up. Thoreus (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's possible, I'll probably make something this week for it. -- 20:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks! Goodluck to you Thoreus (talk) 21:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Main page JS
Eek, issue! Forum:Skin and main page updates - not sure how to fix it, though. I'd want to keep the JS switching on the non main page portals, basically - sound good? 21:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Guild:Brotherhood of the Blade (Argent Dawn US)
I believe Guild:Brotherhood of the Blade (Argent Dawn US) was vandalized twice by the same person. He'd edited the page, you changed something, he came back again. Both edits were uniformly negative, the latter blatantly vandalizing. He hasn't come back, so ... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, fixed. -- 21:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocking a user
Hello, I am requesting assistance from an admin to block a user who spent hours vandalizing our server's wiki. (Originally posted on Coobra's talk page, but it turns out that he's on vacation.) Gretyl (talk) 09:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

If not red then
See here. 3:12 PM, 19 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Mouseover problems
It's with achievements, but not all the time. Here for example. Firefox 3.0.11.



7:11 PM, 19 Jul 2009 (EDT)
 * Don't make the achievement tooltips so wide. -- 00:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you document the max width somewhere, maybe on achievementbox, or else just change the JS to support wider tooltips? Some of these achievements have really long names. 11:20 PM, 20 Jul 2009 (EDT)
 * Wider tooltips may be supported after I refactor the code. I am not going to support tooltips wider than 30em until then (the code was actually designed for 18em). -- 03:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Coords question
Do you have any idea? Thx. 5:07 PM, 20 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Re: class="sortable"
Continuing this thread: When the AJAX call is made, is there someway to include "sortable.js" with the request? Or could it be executed again, perhaps with some Javascript? 3:56 PM, 21 Jul 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, there are a bunch of things (mostly involving the table formatting) which don't happen when AJAX is loaded. The current implementation of sortable tables is built-in to the skin code so I am not sure it will run correctly for AJAX tables (e.g., screw up other tables already processed).  I'll check on it. -- 20:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Is there a way to have the page show up like a normal transcluded page and just be invisible untill acted on?(or is that what AJAX does? )  --  21:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We could put the transcluded page inside an autocollapsed container (table, div, span), but usually the point is to reduce load time (as on recipe list pages); that method would still load all the content but just hide it. -- 21:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

User subpage deletion request
Hi Pcj. I just wanted to see if i could get one of my user pages deleted. name of page is User:Tusior/Crystal Blood Mountain.

24/07/2009 Tusior
 * Done. Next time please use the speedydelete template. -- 22:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, if you are deleting a lot of your articles, you might want to put "Author requested" as a reason like Author requested so the admins know it isn't someone else just trying to delete a bunch of your pages. Rolandius Paladin.gif ( talk -  contr ) 04:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Template  Neutral   replacement
I see that you were using your bot to replace the template as I was. I have done all that I could manualy do - I can't fixe a few pages ( when I did - it still shows them as haveing the deprecated template in categories as well as in the 'What links here page for template Neutral as well as 2 LONG forum pages and Rolandius has 2 long talk pages. If you could, please go over these remaining pages with your bot to replace with :
 * User:Jiyambi/Mobbox (transclusion) (← links)
 * Wowpedia talk:Warcraft pump/Archive02 (transclusion) (← links)
 * Template talk:Mob/Test (transclusion) (← links)
 * User talk:Rolandius/Archive3 (← links)
 * User talk:Rolandius (← links)
 * Wowpedia talk:Warcraft pump/Archive05 (transclusion) (← links)
 * Category:Pages using deprecated templates, neutral (← links)

Thanks greatly -- 17:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Ramu50 is back
I've undone most of his edits because I think they're just a little too drastic for no public discussion. 5:44 PM, 24 Jul 2009 (EDT)
 * I'll watch him, I don't see anything bannable atm. -- 22:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Kd3 already said something to him, but I'm not sure he took it seriously or understood. 12:19 AM, 25 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Darktable zebra
Zebra not working thru Ajaxsub in IE ( as predicted ) but it is not thru Firefox either -- 04:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Cache-refresh. -- 04:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I have held Shift and click Reload and have used the CTRL-SHIFT-R to refresh the cache on Firefox  and still not see zebra striping thru Ajaxsub  on page Dungeons & Raids achievements General page -- the Dungeons & Raids achievements/General page works fine if viewed directly though --  05:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Upgrade to Firefox 3.5. -- 12:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Upgraded now -- also all browsers do work with Darktable zebra settings thru Ajaxsub now -- 17:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Alt class
It seems to be broken. Using it directly or using zebra both are no longer working.

12:41 AM, 25 Jul 2009 (EDT)
 * Hmm, cache-refresh. It works for me. -- 04:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're using an old version of Firefox. The nth-child method requires 3.5.  I'll change the declaration so older versions don't discard it. -- 04:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Try again. -- 04:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Howbizr forgot to add a   after the  :


 * This should now work for her -- 17:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

class="darktable zebra sortable" thru Ajaxsub
Unless WoWWiki's interal cache has to do some catching up, the sortable setting is not working with IE 8 • Firefox 3.5.1 • Google Chrome 2.0.172.37 • Opera Version 10.00 Beta 2 (Build 1642) • Safari 3.2.2 (525.28.1). -- 18:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It has to do some catching up. -- 18:48, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It caught up and works on all 5 browsers - infact it works Better than it did before - the old way would take the background along with the sorted item - hence you would get dark next to dark and light next to light in some cases - now it is alway Dark / Light / Dark / Light / etc ... - Thank you greatly for fixing that. --  21:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was one of the bugs I fixed. -- 21:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

darktable zebra and background colors   on Internet Explorer
Please go to Tiffany Cartier and look at the table -- there are back ground colors for Red, Orange, Green, Blue and Purple -- last night change the table to darktable zebra and I removed all the class=alt lines - and now on IE Red, Blue, Purple, Orange, do NOT show up correctly but on Firefox they look perfect. Could this be a side effect of whatever you had to do to get zebra to work on IE?? -- 20:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actualy it is fine while the page is loading all the different scripts and images form Wikia for their adds -- but when the page fully loads then those specific colors loose their color. -- 20:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Tiffany Cartier
Just to piss you off. LOL. 5:28 PM, 31 Jul 2009 (EDT)
 * You're mean. :'( -- 21:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Any opinions?
See. 8:49 PM, 31 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Bad images
I refreshed my cache on each Icon before I made any changes (and did so again on the pages that linked to the icons) and I could not see them in either IE8 nor in Firefox 3.5 - so I uploaded the images again and then checked the pages and then I was able to see them). They are all now working on my computer in both browsers. -- 16:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the server cache, not the browser cache. -- 16:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Proftip
See here. 7:27 PM, 2 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Dragon's Eye Gems!
Prismatic Gems are still limited to 3 gems equiped. Only the color requirement and stats were changed. Cityhunter0505 - Etsuko (talk) 16:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Flavor text changed, even though the unique did not. Also they are no longer prismatic. -- 16:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye, you answered before I could change it... I guess that works with the "Unique-Equipped (Jeweler's Gems (3))" anyway. Cityhunter0505 - Etsuko (talk) 16:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Flawless Speedy Delete
I looked carefully at the database and saw that they removed the Flawless part of the Ametrine.

I guess Flawless Ametrine was a beta name. Up to you what you want to do with the old beta gems. <span style="font-size: 0.85em; padding: .2em .3em; border-top: 1px #504c50 solid; border-bottom: 1px #504c50 solid; background-color: #222222"> Frostworn1822  ( talk · contr · achievements ) 03:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Update log
Since you blocked him, can you update the log? I added a warning to his page before I realized you already had blocked him... 9:48 PM, 14 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Set not showing tooltip on mouseover for some reason
If you go to the Tier 9 page and mouse over any of the sets set: Stormrage's Garb of Conquest it says there is no properly formated tooltip or was not intended to have a tooltip. If you go inside and mouse over the items (right side) that make up the set, the tooltip shows fine for them. Please don't say it is a cache problem (the set tooltip has not worked for the last 3 days - I would think that would be long enough for the cache to catch up. -- 04:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't accuse me of saying "its a cache problem" when it isn't... You need to create all the item pages for the set tip to work. -- 04:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Image caching
LOL look at my user page... more than 50% of the icons are out. 9:48 AM, 15 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Using Template Tooltip to categorize

 * Moved to Template_talk:Tooltip 11:43 PM, 16 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Changing User Group Rights
Hey, I was hoping you could help me with something. I work on a wiki that's been getting vandalized a lot recently. I've noticed that this wiki is set up so that anonymous users can't edit pages.

I've looked around, and I can't find a way to change the user group rights, so I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. Thanks, Margeman2k3 Talk 22:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, you will want to ask Wikia (or whoever runs your wiki) for help. -- 22:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * For Mediawiki wikis, you might look at this page (practical examples of restricting users) or The User Rights manual page --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 16:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

JamieSI
I'm kind of confused. This user's talk page redirects to another, yet the contributions are still being shown under the original name. Do you have any idea what's going on? Should we merge the contributions together? 1:11 PM, 26 Aug 2009 (EDT)
 * Don't remember the Wikia account merge? People who had different e-mail addresses in their accounts here and Wikia central had the WoWWiki- prepended to their names.  He probably didn't request a merge even though both accounts were his and just switched to using the non-WoWWiki one.  Since he isn't contributing actively on the WoWWiki login, should probably move the talk page to his correct account and forget about merging the contributions. -- 17:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya I did. I thought it would force you to use the -WoWWiki one. 1:07 PM, 27 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Porting tooltips to another wiki
I was wondering if you could explain a little about the tooltips; I'm not incredibly experienced with javascript (I don't know much other than the basics) so some of this is slightly confusing.

I've been trying to port the tooltips function to a blank test wiki and it's not really working. I've loaded the tooltips.js file and copied a few random WoWWiki templates over to test it, but I'm getting no popup. From reading the FAQ on your user talk page I got the impression it was never going to be this straightforward, but I'm willing to learn! ;)

If you could list the things that need to be done that would be great. You don't even have to explain what things are, I'll look it all up; just a basic outline of the things that need doing to get the tooltips working would be fantastic.

Hope you can help! --Mynameiskyori (talk) 10:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You probably need to call it from MediaWiki:Common.js. -- 12:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, that doesn't seem to have changed anything. I've got a MediaWiki:Tooltip.js file which is just a copy/pasta from the WoWWiki one; and I've stuck
 * document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="./index.php/MediaWiki:Tooltip.js"> ');
 * into the MediaWiki:Common.js file. Am I missing something? :S --Mynameiskyori (talk) 14:42, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I will need a link to your site to be able to see what's going on. -- 20:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's really just a clean install of mediawiki. I haven't added anything else, I'm just trying to get tooltips working for a project I'd like to start up. Besides that, it's just hosted locally so there's not really any way to link you to it. :( --Mynameiskyori (talk) 21:55, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just make sure the tooltip JS is actually being loaded and make sure you have the templates set up right. Make sure it's not giving you any JavaScript errors.  I don't know what else to tell you without being able to see how far it gets. -- 23:19, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pcj,

Trying to get the tooltips ported to my test site also, http://pts.aionopedia.info. Im needing a simple Tooltip template though that'll show a lot of forms of tooltiip info but in a regular sized bow (30em width) and to extract the tooltip info from pages within the wiki, im needing a simple package so I can export this functionality to the main wiki (as we will be upgrading to 1.16 and vector skin very soon) Skjald (talk) 02:17, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you tried User:Pcj/simple.js? -- 04:04, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

"In the mountains" origin?
Why the uncommented deletion? Sorry if I missed the reason for this but I'm quite new here and just wanted to provide an improvement for people looking for an answer to this question. StrangeFabs (talk) 12:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Memes and themes in the main namespace not seen larger than one community are WP:DNP. -- 13:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * /sigh. if you say it devalues the wiki, I don't say anything against it. But a comment to deletion (simple link to DNP) is good and helps new contributors not that common with every guideline.

StrangeFabs (talk) 13:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Good point. Sadly, not a unique experience, though.  Many different deletions/reversions without comments get complained about.  Keep folks on their toes; complain when a deletion/reversion has no comment. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It already had a speedy delete tag on it explaining why. -- 20:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Template Tooltip
You removed my recommendation that the items be added to the different sets categories. You and Gourra both need to go look at the Category:Tier 1 armor sets thru Category:Tier 8 armor sets as a result of this), as well as the Category:Dungeon Set 1 armor sets thru Category:Dungeon Set 3 armor sets, the Arena sets and all of the Class sets to notice how ALL of them have the individual pieces listed inside of the categories, not just the sets (I have added them to the Category:Tier 9 armor sets. So, I am going to revert your REVERTion of my recommendation, because that is how they have ALL been done in the past, unless you plan on going thru them all and undoing them? -- 02:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They need to be categorized differently. -- 03:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So do you plan on un-categorizing all of the wrongly categorized items in each and every set? They are not few, but are many: 10 class sets, 9 Tier sets, 6 Arena sets and 3 Dungeon sets. I will not be adding any more set categories to the individual pieces (to keep from increasing the workload) but I am not going back and undoing what has been already wrongly categorized either, that will be for a bot. -- 05:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We will obviously be changing nearly every item anyway with Patch 4.0, as kd3 said, let's get it right this time. -- 12:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Should this discussion be moved to a forum? It sounds like you're saying "let's decide what we want", Pcj. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:37, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * We already have a discussion set up at Template talk:Tooltip, better there than here. -- 23:18, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Watchlist Question
Hi Pcj, sorry for the newbie question but can you tell me what the green/orange numbers mean on my watchlist? --Fallst (talk) 20:32, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Orange represents the amount of characters removed while green represents the amount of characters added. It's basically used to see if large changes are done to a page, without having to actually visit the page itself. 20:38, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks very much --Fallst (talk) 20:45, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Goon Squad guild information
Hi there,

It appears you deleted the guild info page I set up about my guild "Goon Squad" on here. I looked for a decent reason, but couldn't see one. The link was:

http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Guild:Goon_Squad_(Sporeggar_EU)

Cheers.

Wibbo (talk) 10:54, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:GUILD. -- 12:19, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wibbo (talk) 12:51, September 14, 2009 (UTC) Thanks, but was there anything specific? I can't recall anything from the Not Allowed list on there? Sorry to be a pain. Cheers.
 * You were missing required categorization. -- 12:53, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Aledar's Battlestar item buff ends up breaking tooltip
The item sort of broke when I was fixing the item to the proper stats.

Message reads: Invalid tag name.

The tag name is there, yet the page broke ever since the buff.

Please fix and I'll watch for those errors in future fixes. <span style="font-size: 0.85em; padding: .2em .3em; border-top: 1px #504c50 solid; border-bottom: 1px #504c50 solid; background-color: #222222"> Frostworn1822  ( talk · contr · achievements ) 23:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed, I don't think this was anything you did. -- 00:06, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

AJAX auto-refresher
Hello,

I am an admin on the Cyber Nations Wiki, which uses a version of your AJAX auto-refresher for RecentChanges and Watchlist. It very suddenly ceased working on our wiki yesterday, despie the fact it continues to work fine on Wookieepedia and the WoW Wiki. I was just wondering if you had any ideas as to what may have caused it, and whether any patches need to be applied. Thanks! ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * There seem to have been changes made to my original code, you will either need to revert to my original code or consult with whoever made the changes. -- 18:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * To revert to the original code, should I be using w:User:Kirkburn/global.js, or is there other code? If there is, please link me.  Thanks! ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Yes, Kirkburn's global script will work. -- 19:18, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I reverted to Kirkburn's global script; it's still not working. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * It's not instantiating the ajaxPages variable correctly for some reason, try changing  to   -- 20:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * See, that's what I thought, and I tried various combinations of what you recommended, to no avail. No luck in getting it to initiate of Special:recentChanges. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * I don't know, it should work. -- 21:56, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the weird part was that it only stopped working all of a sudden. I've come to the conclusion that it's probably some sort of Wikia software change to rpotect Special pages from being subject to such code, but that said change did not affect certain wikis and did affect either.  I've left a note with Uberfuzzy to see if he can resolve it.  Thank you for your help; I'll be sure to inform you of the solution if I find one. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * I don't know, the code is loading on the page, it's just not reading the ajaxPages variable, you can see this by typing  into your address bar and pressing enter, so it has the code. -- 22:08, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Noble Elite Guard guild information
Hello, I'd like to ask why you don't allow some time for us to properly setup our guild page Guild:Noble_Elite_Guard_(Quel'Thalas_EU). Isn't there some wait time allowed so our members can edit it to comply with Policies etc? I am not a wiki-guru and cannot edit the guild page for 100% the moment it's created, but this way you don't even allow a few days for me to shape it up. Not to mention that the history also gets deleted every time the guild page is deleted so it's 1. start over from scratch 2. don't bother with wowwiki? I would expect at least a little tolerance in this matter. Thanks for the explanation.

Sudiin (talk) 14:27, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:GUILD, recreation of a guild page as a stub does not give you an extra 30 days to comply with policy, and pages can be permitted to be recreated at an admin's discretion. I did give you a couple of hours to let you to shape the page to comply with the policy, plus it was already given 30 days in the first go-round.  It doesn't need to be 100%, it just needs to comply with policy.  I can restore the page and give you a few minutes to get it to comply, if you have any question on what it needs, let me know. -- 14:34, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you could provide a quick list of what was missing that'd be good to know, so the next time I have more than a few minutes to work on it I can include those too, eventhough I was under the impression that only the 3 complete sentences were missing to make it comply with Guild-page Policy. I seem to have missed the no-stub rule after re-creation this time around. I intended to write those 3 sentences in the evening, just didn't foresee the super-quick moderation ;) I will strive to include the neccessary info the next time I have ample time to work on the guild page. Sudiin (talk) 14:43, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, you just needed two more sentences. -- 14:45, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

My User Page
Hello, A message appeared on my talk page telling me to ask you if I had any problems. I do. If you would check my user page, you would see that there is very little space inbetween my userboxes and my characters. Do you know how to put a space there? Please reply on my talk page or insert the space yourself.

BobNamataki

Ajax
When you have the time, would you examine my hack to get Ajax to correctly display Grandmaster tailoring patterns on the Tailoring patterns page? Ajax was not respecting tags, so I had to work around it. It's ugly, but I would regret even more having to make the Grandmaster tailoring patterns page into a table that can't be categorized and annotated individually. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:01, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ajax loads and gets the data and the wiki software renders it exactly as you would see it if you pulled it up in your browser. See Template:Ajax for the normal way to do what you're looking for. -- 22:05, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Target page syntax is inadequate to my needs, in that I want the target page to be a fully useful page in its own right.
 * ... it occurs to me that nearly the same result can be obtained by transcluding a Patterns/Rank "table only" page onto the "Rank Patterns" page. This, though, only transfers "which page you can most easily edit the table from" without evidence that either form is greatly superior for processing.
 * Suggestions? Am I simply asking too much from Ajax&friends? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:17, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wrap everything you don't want to show up in Ajax in .  Tada, normal page being pulled into AJAX as you want. -- 03:21, October 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * TYVM. Will put that into action when I get back to the patterns. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:21, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

In my tests, I encountered an odd result: On my sandbox page, using &lt;span&gt; generated the expected results. However, in place on the Tailoring patterns page, the first &lt;span&gt; only hid the first paragraph. Examining the source (in firefox) did not clarify things. However, using &lt;div&gt; instead produced the expected results. Will this cause other difficulties that I am currently, blissfully, unaware of, or would it be safe to continue? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:40, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Template:Patched
Your comment, See the section above for the reason it's coded this way, implies I can't read either talkpages or template code; your revert of my edits implies I can't write template code; and your summary statement of not seeing any problems (instead of asking, for example, "I don't understand what problem your edit is supposed to fix, could you please explain?") implies I waste my time doing pointless edits. If you had intended to insult me, you could hardly have done it better. (I'll try to catch you on irc tonight). -- ◄mendel► 11:37, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to offend, but your edit did break the template (gives patches like 1.1 wrong dates). If you have any other ideas on how to fix it, I'm open to suggestions. -- 12:12, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I did get confused there because the template code modifies the 1.10 special case when it's the 1.1 that has the problem; it does work, admittedly.
 * I'd have forced a string comparison instead of a numeric one in every case by appending the patch numbers with only one "." into the format with two, by using

<pre style="margin-left:4em;">


 * But that's not really a big improvement.
 * I'd much rather refactor and do

<pre style="margin-left:4em;">

}}
 * and then have Template:Patch 1.10 call up a common template for display, with the correct date. It allows for the 4.0 special case without any kludges, it allows calling the patch version template directly, and as a result of that it avoids affecting 5000+ places whenever a new version is added, because adding a new version then would mean merely adding a small new template that is a slight modification of the last one. It also avoids the long switch statement that can become a performace bottleneck (although it would probably need to become quite a bit larger for that to be noticeable). -- ◄mendel► 15:52, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Ed Forum Trolls Deletion?
Why in god's name would you delete a page dedicated to the forum trolls of Emerald Dream?

Seriously - did some 14 year old whine to you and you, arbitrarily, decided to delete it?

Its not like the trolls visiting the page were virgins or anything - a hell of a lot worse was said on the Ed forums.

Bloodysoul (talk) 01:10, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * It violated WP:NPOV policy. -- 01:25, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Shadow of the Moon guild navbox
My guild's navbox was deleted as a violation of the WP:GUILD policy that "A complete list of guild members" is not allowed. Our navbox only contained links to those members that had taken the time to create WoWWiki character pages. I would appreciate the navbox page being restored at your earliest convenience. --Dmleach (talk) 23:28, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's still a violation of policy. -- 23:32, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * To whom may I appeal your decision? --Dmleach (talk) 23:32, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Kirkburn. You could also propose a policy change. -- 23:38, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do, thanks - and thanks for serving as an admin. --Dmleach (talk) 23:43, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

I find that I disagree with you, Pcj, in this instance, at least to some extent. Clearly, all links in the navbox are links to existing wiki pages (or they wouldn't be links). While there is a general prohibition on "complete list of guild members", I don't see a prohibition on "links to all pages relevant to the guild". I rather thought that the prohibition was intended to prevent long, unmaintained (and difficult to maintain) lists that were not of use to the general public.

An alternative might be a server/guild-space specific category, to which the guild page could link. I'm not clear on how one would set one up, though.

Disclaimer: I haven't seen the guild page, nor any of the individual character pages. Having content on the character pages (which presumably would be under Category:Player characters) created by their respective players would strengthen the case; having stubs created by a single author would weaken it. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:32, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have ideas to clarify the policy please put them on the policy talk page. -- 21:52, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

I have made a proposal to change the policy and would appreciate everyone's support and input. Dmleach (talk) 14:10, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

I need Help
You said leave a message if I needed anything so how do you create a poll? BobNamataki (talk) 11:20, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I done it. Go to my page, my personal stuff and fin it. BobNamataki (talk) 13:14, October 6, 2009 (UTC)