Talk:Velen

Mural
I just wondered could blizz be suggesting something with this mural...

Could this be Velen himself??



Entirely possible- when first released, I thought it was Khadgar. He does look wise, I suppose. Might as well add the picture and then remove it when he have actual images. --Ragestorm 13:14, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Very good find there. --Tampler

Very possible. If you look closely, you can see it is a priest. He is wearing the tier two preist shoulders and robes. Unlike normal eredar, he has the glowing crest above his head. He looks to be old and wise, as a Draenei leader should. This could be Velen. --User:Velenrulz

It's official. An alpha model view screeny has been leaked, showing Velen in this priest armor and everything else. I will not link it due to the ESA ban, but i will say that if you find it, you will be VERY impressed. --User:Velenrulz

Velen's Appearance and Age
What about the Draenei Mage on the Burning Crusade home Page??That could be Velen and the Blood Elf next to him could be Kael.The issue of Age is also at hand as Velen lived 10,000 years ago,but he would remain like Kil'Jaedan and Archimonde and Have no real show of age.We will have to wait for Blizz to confirm this though. User:Hammerdin


 * True, it's possible. And Velen is more than twenty-five thousand years old. It's probably a more powerful version of the same anti-aging spell used by the Guardians. --Ragestorm 17:35, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


 * Maybe The Draenei in general is Blessed like the Night Elves to Have Immortality,Possibly Granted by the Naaru or Some Other Worldly Force(Dragonflight maybe) Due to their Extreme Intellegance and Ingenutiy.---Hammerdin


 * Scale back a bit on the capitals. That's more than possible, although I'm not certain the the Dragonflights are a viable source for such an option. They were the most advanced race upon Azeroth at the time of the Old Gods' imprisonment, and that is the reason they were chosen to recieve such powers. But yes, it could be an arcane spell or the blessing of the Naaru. --Ragestorm 18:28, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


 * Sorry...I like capitals.....Didn't the Eredar live on Argus though?Also its confirmed that Kil' and Arch got thier immortality from the Burning Legion.It may be that the Draenei themselves where blessed by both the Naaru and the Dragonflight due to thier resistance to corruption and dedication to the Holy light.-Hammerdin


 * Yes, so your suggestion about the Naaru is quite likely. But the Draenei didn't even know the Dragonflights existed until Deathwing showed up on Draenor 25,000 years later- Dragons are native to Azeroth. --Ragestorm 20:28, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


 * Yes..Maybe some naaru will be present in Exodar or around Azuremyst as quest givers or paladin trainers.Seems only fitting since the naaru have led them this far.Quite possibly a naaru might have an important place in Exodar as a boss.Maybe it is also that while on Argus,the Eredar learned about the Dragonflight but were not blessed because of thier affiliation with the burning crusade.-Hammerdin


 * I've told you about six times: the Eredar didn't find out about the dragons until the War of the Ancients, 15,000 years after their corruption. The draenei, not for 25,000. The Dragons do NOT exist anywhere other than Azeroth and Outland, unless they were exported in the last decade. --Ragestorm 21:11, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


 * Ok ok ok ok ok ok!The Eredar did not know about the dragons until 15,000 years after thier corruption and the Draenei 25 thousand.....its just that we know that blizz likes to change the story abit during the process of making a game.Maybe this Article should be moved to the Draenei discuss page,its kind of gone of track of the velen theme.-Hammerdin


 * Eh. :/ if anything, Bliz seems pretty adamant about sticking to existing lore. They don't retcon much unless they really have to. Pzychotix


 * Anyway, what's the point of anticipating retcons? If we start seeing retcons around every corner, then what's the point of the lore, anyways? --Ragestorm 06:01, 29 August 2006 (EDT)


 * I think the only draenei who's almost immortal is Velen...maybe the others just have a long life. I think Velen was blessed by the naaru to become immortal so he could lead his race to a safer future. --Orkk


 * Sounds reasonable. Sorry about stating about anticipating retcons. Velen is probably the only one of the draenei immortal. Its also a theory is that draenei have such long lifes is because of thier connection to the light. -Hammerdin


 * Jessera of Mac'Aree is roughly 25,000 years old at the least, and he doesn't seem like anyone of particular import. I'm going with the theory that all draenei in general are immortal or at least extremely long-lived. -- 15:22, 7 February 2007 (EST)

no you idiot he isen't immortal-knwo why? cus i led a raid and we killed him and everything in the damn exodar. sorry you were wrong he's strong but not immortal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * You're the idiot. Archimonde, Cenarius and the Ancients, most of the Night elves killed in Warcraft 3, Illidan, Nefarian, Onyxia, C'Thun, Kel'Thuzad (in short, many of the people you would wind up killing and raiding) were also immortal. Being immortal doesn't mean nothing in the universe can kill you, it means that you rarely get sick, barely age, and havea near-unlimited lifespan. Immortals can still be killed in a variety of different ways. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 12:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed: immortal =/= invulnerable. 18:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

er no you said it again he is NOT invulnerable because he beklongs to the Allaince who are wrong again not INVLUNERABLE because he is KILLABLE. immortal in the dictionary means that the person will never die so since he is killable he is a MORTAL. he's just extra hella shitload of mana more than anyone else in WoW.


 * How about coming back when you've read some fantasy and learned to write, hmm? Immortal, in most fantasy, and specifically in WoW, means that you will live forever, not aging, until slain in combat. I also recommend that you learn the difference between game mechanics and lore. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 22:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Game model picture
- - -has posted a picture of Velen's model. Looks very official in my opinion. Click "creatures", and he's the first of the second row in the big batch of pictures.


 * Really now. Most of us here are well aware of the various model pictures roaming the intertubes, but we don't need to help spread them even further. We're not some bleeding edge tabloid you know. Pzychotix 22:21, 5 September 2006 (EDT)


 * #1, Sign your posts. #2, where the hell (pardon my french) is " creatures" ?????? I'm eager to see the pic of velen even if its fake,at least it will give us an idea of what he might look like.-Hammerdin


 * If you must see a picture, check the page history. Do not post more links on here please -- Kirkburn (talk) 21:10, 10 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Hey fellas, i just uploaded Prophet Velen's picture from the Closed Beta. --Pulyx 18:45, 20 October 2006 (EDT)


 * What is that armor supposed to be? It looks like Tier 2, but with noticable differences. Could that be the Tier 4 armor for priests? --Joshmaul 20:22, 21 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Actually, like almost all racial leaders, they have "unique" equipment. We've seen the Priest tier4. And it's pretty different from it. --Pulyx 11:25, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

Article Name
The current beta NPC is "Prophet Velen", so this article should be moved to that name following the rules for NPC articles. It can probably wait until the expansion is live and it's official though.--Aeleas 20:07, 18 October 2006 (EDT)


 * If that's the way it appears in the release, then I guess we'll rename after the release, just be sure. Not sure why "Prophet Velen" is better than "Velen," though. I suppose they knew what they were doing. --Ragestorm 20:36, 18 October 2006 (EDT)


 * "Prophet Velen" as in-game name is not reason enough to rename the article. "Prophet" is just a title, and regardless of what he's called in-game, I believe this article should be called just "Velen". If we're going to call it "Prophet Velen", then we would be contradictive not renaming other articles: "Archdruid Malfurion Stormrage" or "High Priestess Tyrande Whisperwind", wouldn't we? For all characters of this importance, I would say name-(surname) in article, name-(surname)-title in infobox. --NerdKnight Xavier 04:16, 18 February 2007 (EST)


 * It's also a matter of whether they appear in none-RPG lore sources or previous games- if they do, then we should just give the name and no title (which will appear in the first line of the article and the infobox. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 09:18, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Velen’s voice
I’ve met Velen himself and was quite disappointed when I heared his voice. However, in the MPQ-Files, there is an existing voice for Velen, but not used in game. Is this a bug or could this be intended? Unfortunately, I don’t have an US account, and the EU forums don’t have a bug forum. Could someone with an US account post this in the bug forum? --Iggey 12:36, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Reference to Babylon 5?
The name sure is a lot alike the Mimbar religious figure Valen (SP?) from Babylon 5. Is it just me who thinks so? Torte 10:50, 17 February 2007 (EST)


 * You mean the Prophet Valen, the Minbari leader who was blessed by the beings of light, the Vorlons, to lead his people in the fight against the Shadows? A people who were highly technological, religious, and seemed to use crystals everywhere?  Naaah, Blizz would never make a pop reference that obvious!  :P


 * In all seriousness, though, yes, I think this may be another pop culture reference. Dunno for a fact, just the similarities are there.  In addition, one of the in-game events in the Tomb of Lights quest is straight out of an episode of B5... -Tharion_Greyseer 3:53am, 4 march 2007 (EST)

Would Velen Stand a Chance?
I really, really love it how they've been labelling Velen as Kil'Jaeden's Arch-Enemy. That sort of rivalry sends tingles down my spine =D Seeing a confrontation between Velen and Kil'Jaeden is definately one of my most anticipated lore moments, right up there with the return of the Lich King. Just wondering though, if Velen and Kil'Jaeden fought, who would win? Kil'Jaeden's powers were strengthened initially by Sargeras and I'm sure they're growing with each passing moment. Similarly, Velen would've gained a lot of knowledge from the Naaru... but is that enough? What do you guys reckon? Maarz


 * Really tough to say; I think that's what they've been going for. Since we don't actually know the exact powers both of them have, it's impossible to say. Kil'jaeden has knowledge and mastery of the arcane second only to the titans and gods themselves. Velen's affinity for holy magic probably is probably comparable; Velen also has Spirit's Song, the single most powerful of the Ata'mal crystals. btw, we's like it if you use your full signature (four tildes, so that your name comes with the date and time). -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 09:33, 4 March 2007 (EST)

My bad, known about this site for ages but only just started posting on it. Next time I'd appreciate it if you told me how to do it =D --Maarz


 * Type "~ ~ ~ ~" without the spaces. that'll automatically put your username with the date and time. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 09:11, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks man =D --Maarz 00:15, 8 March 2007 (EST)

If it came down to it. In a battle between Kil'Jaedon and Velen it would end in the demise of Velen. Velen is both immortal and not. He has grown old in time and physically is quite weak and compared to Kil'Jaedon's strength is nothing. When it comes down the Arcane and Daemonic Magicks of Kil'jaedon versus the Holy Light and Arcane Power of Velen it is still in Kil'Jaedon's favor. Velen has the Spirit's Song but sadly I do believe the crystal can rival the power of Kil'Jaedon nor can Velen himself. The crystal itself is one of the strongest fragments of Ata'Mal but still is a fragment. When Ner'Zhul offered some of these crystals to Kil'Jaedon he could care less about them and allowed the orcs to use them in their battle against the draenei long ago. In the Twisting Nether and from their invading of thousands of worlds - Kil'Jaedon has grown strong. Kil'Jaedon is more cunning and lightly stronger in the arcane way then Archimonde. It took the combined armies of the Horde, Alliance, and Nature itself to defeat Archimonde. Velen himself cannot perform magic to increase his body to that extent and probably can only scratch Kil'Jaedon with his abilities. If Velen had the power of Kil'Jaedon he would of defeated the orcs himself during the war between Orcs and Draenei. If Velen had such great powers of light he would of saced countless lives with his magnificant power. But sadly Velen isn't gaining much stronger or younger. --Shaha

Physically, Kil'jaeden would be stronger. No doubt Velen is the wiser one and he forges his own plans against the Burning Legion. While Kil'jaeden is obsessed with his demonic army, Velen makes new plans to defend himself, now that the draenei are a part of the alliance...--Iggey 17:37, 14 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I wouldn't bet on Velen being wiser; Kil'jaeden is not Archimonde, he's very cunning and extremely devious. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 23:31, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Excuse me? How can you even discuss something like this? Velen is obviously a strong mage due to the eredun affinity for magic and his being one of their triad. Velen is obviously a cross between a priest & paladin of the holy light(They never really highlight the difference) and thus has strong holy magic. He is also more than 25000 years old and very obviously a close confidante of the Naaru. This should be enough for Velen to be the one of the strongest present NPCs on Azeroth. I think that he even learnt a bit of Shaman lore and rites from Nobundo for several reasons, including the fact that he would probably love speaking to the spirits. In fact several fact if you look for them point towards that. Not the least of it Velen's Vision itself. That vision proves one of three things, 1. that he has a natural affinity for visions, 2. that the naaru(or the light) somehow knew of the Nobundo development and informed Velen in a cryptic vision(Thus making the source of Velen's Visons as the light.) or 3. that the spirits themselves informed him. Taking this he becomes one of the strongest mages, one of the oldest priest/paladin of the light, and a possible shamanistic connection. This should make him strong enough to probably defeat people like Illidan & Azshara and definitely a match for Kil'jaeden. Anuragsahay 09:27, 23 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Maybe so, but as mentioned by Ragestorm, Kil'jaeden is far more devious and cunning than Archimonde. If this were a Warhammer-type game (which, rumor has it, Warcraft was originally supposed to be), Archimonde would probably be a manifestation of Khorne (the Chaos God of War), as he practically relied on brute force tactics, while Kil'jaeden would be more in line with Tzeentch, the Chaos God of Magic - a powerful sorcerer and a devious schemer, manipulating the strands of Fate in order to further his own goals. As for Velen - it's likely that he would stand a chance against Kil'jaeden in a contest of arcane mastery, but Kil'jaeden has more than a few tricks up his sleeve. If these two were to go head-to-head, Velen may find himself dealing with more than he bargained for. But that's just me. --Joshmaul 06:53, 11 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Seeing as how it isn't Warhammer any longer, I think it's safe to say that those calculations are no longer in the equation, as it were. I think that Kil'jaeden and Velen are probably evenly matched in terms of overall intelligence and overall power levels (obviously, their fields of magic are complete opposites). Since we've never seen either of them in an actual fight, we have no idea. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 09:24, 11 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I understand that it's not Warhammer. I do play both. *grin* But there are similarities in thinking to the Chaos Gods: Archimonde tended to be more "KILL!" and Kil'jaeden more "Hmm, how do I really screw with this guy?" *shrug* As I said, Kil'jaeden may have a few tricks up his sleeve. But then I thought for a moment - so could Velen. After all, you don't spend 25,000 years in exile without learning a few tricks. --Joshmaul 11:37, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Kil'jaeden would win fortunately he's a coward. Zarnks 05:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * and what's your evidence for that? -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 12:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Velen can be defeated ingame. Kil'jaeden has equal power to Lich king/Arthas who beat Illidan who is more powerfull then Velen. Theres no really no question,Kil'jaeden is the most powerful warlock who ever lived,while Velen is more of a leader then a fighter. Zarnks 07:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * So what that he can be defeated in-game (same as all factions bosses - it's a game mechanic)? Kil'jaeden isn't in the game. Provide proof to back up your facts, not "what I think". 15:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Kil'jaden has always been portrayed as one of the most powerful beings. The only way I can see Velen winning is if he somehow outsmarts Kil'jaeden or pulls of a miracle like Hellscream Zarnks 17:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, let's conveniently ignore that he outsmarted Kil'jaeden for thousands of years and leap to the core of the matter: Velen has been protrayed in one (1) book, and one (1) game. And even then not as a huge part. Of course a warmonger is portrayed as powerful - he's the enemy! Hardly makes for an exciting game if you're going against something described as a wet flannel ... 18:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This is fight is purely relying on their combat ability and wit right. Ki'jaeden is the right hand of Sargeras,he has tons of brute strength. Velen was able to be captured by orcs, can't restore the broken, couldn't defeat the orcs. Kil'jaeden was corrupted entire races, never lost a fight, and is now known to be extremely wily but cowardly, he's called the deciever for a reason. Zarnks 18:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * We have little idea of what Velen is capable of in a fight. Do we allow Kil'jaeden to have minions? Do we therefore allow the naaru to aid Velen? This is why it's a silly line to take that one side would "definately" win. Velen pretty much allowed himself to be captured, some Broken and Lost Ones don't want to be restored, and the draenei had not the numbers nor the will to destroy the orcs. Seriously, don't delude yourself (or others) that the draenei want the orcs dead. Finally, spend more time when typing your comments. 19:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

From what I have seen its mainly the broken that want the orcs dead. I'm not saying Velen is weak,but in a one on one fight,Kil'jaeden would win. If Velen was given all of A'dal's power,he would have a greater chance of winning. Zarnks 19:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Velen in terms of magical and physical power is weaker then Kil'Jaeden that much is known. Sometimes sheer power isn't enough to win in a duel or battle but to note again Kil'Jaeden is the stronger of the two in terms of "Raw Energy" and "Strength"(Rise of the Horde). If Velen was supported by the Naaru in power then Kil'Jaedon could most likely call upon the Powers of the Burning Legion/Twisted Nether which in themselves are quite impressive from what has been seen in the books. Who would win is simply a matter of debate. It should be noted on one point Velen has only outsmarted Kil'Jaeden two times and has heavily relied on the Naaru for his thousands of years of escape. (Rise of the Horde, and WoW help to reveal details on all of this) - /

They shoulden't be so evenly matched. Velen has LOADS of mana but he sortof stays in one place when your fighting him. (prolly cus he's so old HA). I don't think there equals because since he's a faction leader he can't be that strong that'd give the draenei an unfair advantage. I had more trouble with Tyrande and her shards aoe but thats cus I was 60 when we attacker her.(Rahnumed 17:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC))

All it took to defeat Archimonde was one pissed-off Malfurion (who owned him like he was a girl in the War of the Ancients). I think Velen and Malfurion are proably the two strongest forces for good on the Alliance side, and probably each one of them could give Kil'jaeden a run for his money. Though by Velen's own admission Kil'jaeden was better, so I don't think that Either one of them could tae Kil'jaeden by himself; together-probably. Lckyluke372 04:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Just a few points. It has been said that Archimonde is the "greatest of all eredar warlocks" (S&L, don't know how to cite properly) and that Velen has admited Kil'jaeden is his as well as Archionde's superior in the ways of the arcane. So, I guess one big factor as to whether who's stronger: Sargeras and his Legion or the Naaru and their holy magic. It has been said by Khadgar that: "I believe that only their power can drive the Legion from this universe." Jclipps 23:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

ok, look. all who say Velen is a match for Kil'jaeden are idiots. ok velen can be killed by a raid on the exodar. and now that KJ is going into the game he is severly powered down. you fight a distorted, half summoned version of him. just admit. the good guy wouldn't win here, KJ would own Velen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

Again though, you have to realize that just because he can be killed by a raid in WoW doesn't mean that he could be killed by them in lore or if someone were to give Velen his true powers. There are many cases where it has been said that one person is more powerful than another in lore, but then game mechanics in WoW make it different. Can't only rely on what you see in WoW. Jclipps 00:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a lot of people with the lesser grammar here are right. Velen would not be able to defeat Kil'jaeden in single combat. I only need one point to back this up - why would he be running away from him if he were stronger, or even equal to him? However, I do not see the fight between the two being single combat. I see it as likely that Velen may get others heroes of Azeroth - such as Malfurion and Thrall - to fight with him. Then, with all of the races of Azeroth united as a single army, they would defeat the Legion, perhaps with a climactic ending where they are being defeated, but end up getting saved by the Naaru.

Wouldn't that be fun? Torturer(OldStyle) (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Velen could beat him, I was just saying he wouldn't go down easy. Actually having read WotA, I think Furion is probably the most powerful living "good guy" except for perhaps A'dal, I'm not sure how good he is. Lckyluke372 (talk) 00:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

The difference in power between Malfurion and Velen as expressed in WotA vs RotH can be explained by the difference in writing styles between Knaak and Golden. Knaak's more into the dragon ball z level powers, Golden's more conservitive. The two are probably close in power, though, and Kil'Jaeden's likely superior to both of them.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 01:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Character Class
The article says he's a mage/priest, but the TCG says he's a shaman. Are there any references to him practicing shamanism? Egrem 18:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

http://www.wowtcgdb.com/carddetail.aspx?id=961

He was probably given shaman class due to his ability to "prophecy". The ability to prophecy generally comes out of shaman class rather than the priest class in RPG, and other sources.Baggins 18:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Obviously a mistake on the part of the TCG. Probably thought he was a shaman due to the call of fire quest. Though in that quest he pretty say's he isn't a shaman and he is most definetly not a shaman. Zarnks 20:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Regardless if its a mistake or not, that kind of speculation doesn't belong in the Character box. All speculation its own section of the article, but not the character box. The character box is only for links, and bare minimum information, never sentences.Baggins 05:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

For that matter, does it make sense for him to be an archmage? I thought the draenei avoided arcane magic for pretty much the same reasons the night elves do - to avoid drawing the Burning Legion. Kimera757 19:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It wouldn't seem to be the case as far as i can tell,in game i haven't seen any hint whatsoever on their opinion on mages although they probably accepted since mages are playable for draenei(Marakanis)


 * If you play a mage for a few levels they'll probably explain what they think of mages.Baggins 18:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Arcane magic in and of itself doesn't draw the Legion, it's extreme use. The draenei, as eredar, would have little difficulty in knowing how to keep their arcane useage within acceptable levels. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 21:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What's the source that refers him as an Archmage or mage? --N&#39;Nanz 14:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

It was said, in the WOW Burning Crusade Preview Page, that after the exile he lost contact with the light and it was the wind itself who answer his prayers, so begin the shamanistic school of the draeinei. Obviously, blizzard hide this information and change the lore again and again, so its most likely that the character description included in the card game was based in the first versions of Velen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Your thinking of Velen's Vision, and it actually refers to "Nobundo" as the one who's prayers were answered by the wind, not Velen.Baggins 18:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Surely, but I still haven't found any source for Archmage. He wears like a priest and his ability are from the Holy School --N&#39;Nanz 21:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I was just thinking from the RPG standpoint prophecies seem to mostly be limited to shaman class than any other class. That's not saying that other classes have some form of prophecy, but I can only think of shamans at the moment. Not that it matters much, he was already getting prophecies long before he even heard of shamans.Baggins (talk) 05:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Way Tall!
On this page, it states that all faction leaders are "slightly larger" than the average member of their species.

The way this was implemented in regards to Prophet Velen is a bit odd: He's much thinner than the average male draenei; he still has very broad shoulders, but doesn't have the same exaggeratedly barrel-chested physique. But in the scale of the game, he appears to be nearly a foot taller than any other draenei character (meaning that he would be over 8' tall)!

My proof is here: a screen capture of my shamanka standing in front of Prophet Velen, versus one of the same character standing in front of one of the Shields. Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 16:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

For some reason they put extra effort to make Velen look like the concept art of him. Not that I'm complaining, he looks cool. The extra high is a result of the whole, faction leaders being larger(as a matter of point, only Cairne and Thrall have lore behind them stating they are large for their race)Tweak the Whacked 00:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Velen is the eldest Draenei member...perhaps age plays a role in their races height as well. 00:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible, but that's speculation. Other draenei that have lived atleast since they fled Argus are regular hight. Most ingame size differences are meaningless lorewise. The mag'har, for instance, are much larger than regular orcs in game, even though lore states that green skinned orcs are bulkier.Tweak the Whacked 06:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Because Hes an Eredar,Eredar are taller and thinner I think 18:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Draenei=eredar. The difference is that "draenei" (literally "exiles") is a name adopted by those members of the race who decided to make a run for it rather than get changed into big creepy demons. "Eredar" now tends to refer to the corrupted individuals.


 * I have noticed, however, that certain draenei characters (Haldor the Compulsive, Adyen the Lightwarden, and Demolitionist Legoso, most notably) are also taller than player characters. (Adyen and Legoso are elite NPCs, which might have something to do with it; Haldor, however, is non-elite.) [[Image:IconSmall Draenei Female.gif]] Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I haven't seen any evidence that the draenei look any different than the original eredar. The fact is his unique look is because he's an important character, thats it. Lore wise, each race has many different body types, so there probably are a few thin draenei, just like there are fat humans and bulky trolls.Tweak the Whacked 23:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Theres a ton of human models in the WMV,HUGE women,strong blacksmiths,this thieves etc etc 22:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The skinnier human models are used for the Defias Watchmen in the Deadmines (and possibly others). [[Image:IconSmall Draenei Female.gif]] Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 19:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Ingame model
This guy has an awesome model. Way better then the player Draenei. Is it because he is one of the original eredar? Zarnks 01:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He one of the oldest and most powerful eredar. Archie and Kil would perhaps look like that too without the fel-roids.-- 01:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously if Blizzard used this model. There would've been way more Draenei players. Zarnks 02:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've never heard of the appearance of the draenei changing after leaving Argus, nor do i think it nessesarly has anything to do with power. But Velen was always described as standing out among the Draenei and being who he is it explains why he got the special attention to his model. 02:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * He's explicitly described in Rise of the Horde as being taller (albeit not by as much as in-game) and slimmer than most draenei. Then again, he's also described as having pure white skin (and every other draenei is described as having blue skin and black hair)...whereas, in the game, he's purple.
 * 04:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

White-skinned Velen - Huh?
The article claims that Velen was "alabaster white" before the fall of Shattrath. I've read "Unbroken" and I didn't find the point where the fact lies. In which chapter/part is it said? --Nuti (talk) 16:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Uhh, why not use a book search feature ;) Baggins (talk) 16:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * *Slaps herself onto forehead* Oh, now I noticed! It was mentioned in the other story, "Rise of the Horde"! I was wise again! >.< --Nuti (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It definitely says that he's got white skin in RotH (although he's blue in the first chapter). Then again, RotH also states that draenei are uniformly blue-skinned and dark-haired, which is not the case in-game.


 * However, I couldn't find anything about his skin tone changing after the fall of Shattrath. 11:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Velen-Kil'jaeden relatives!?
When Kil'jaeden is defeated at the Sunwell, Velen arrives and tells the following:

"...Mortal heroes, your victory here today was foretold long ago. My BROTHER's anguished cry of defeat will echo across the universe, bringing renewed hope to all those who still stand against the Burning Crusade. As the Legion's final defeat draws ever nearer, stand proud in the knowledge that you have saved worlds without number from the flame. Just as this day marks an ending, so too does it herald a new beginning..."

What does this mean? Velen and Kil'jaeden are brothers or Velen still considers him a brother? I think that the latter doesn't have sense since they are arch-nemesis one of another. Your opinions? Can we take this as lore? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I doubt he meant brother as a relative but more brother of how he was a close friend in the past and lead the Eredar with him and Archimonde. Leviathon (talk) 19:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think he means brother as in a relative, just as how close a friend he used to be. So basically what Leviathon said! :P Warchiefthrall (talk) 20:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this was the second theory I spoke of... Would you call "brother" someone who was your best friend 10000 years ago and that in the meantime destroyed your and his native world and corrupted countless others, genocyde your and his own race, destroyed your new refuge for the mere purpose of killing you!? :p --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) It could be an inredibly ingrained habit, 2) Velen is being ironic, 3) whoever scripted that forgot that they were figurative and not literal brothers or 4) someone decided that they were actual brothers so as to provide more dramatic/simplistic drama. And it's 25000, not 10000 years, and "genocide" is not spelled with a "y". Oh, and we don't know for certain if Argus has been destroyed or not.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 19:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Why do you have always to poynt out everythynk!?! :P however I'd reject the second because it's a very dramatic scene and Velen is too wise to be ironic in that situation. I support the fourth but we have very few informations. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 15:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No Evidence of his being a Shaman
Apparently there is no evidence in Warcraft lore to Velen being a Shaman (See: Trivia section for further details). Now, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the whole point of the short story Blizzard did on him to state clearly that he was one of the first Shamans of the (Non-Broken) Draenei and it was through him that many others learned the craft. Yes, I know that Nobundo taught the initial ones but given the fact that Velen had the vision of him and welcomed the guy, I would've thought that would suggest his preparedness to learn shamanistic ways. Or is that me misinterpreting the story? See Velen's Vision to create an informed opinion. Scum of the Earth, COME ON! (talk) 23:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think its your misinterpretation. I never got that meaning from his welcoming of Nobundo, and i'm further skeptical that, while on occasion characters sometimes learn more than one type of magic, Velen would be interested in doing so or feel the need to considering his profound powers as a priest. Looking it over again now i still can't say see anything implying his becoming a shaman. I think the TGC listing of him of a shaman was a similar misinterpreatation, a mistake that out of pure coincidence matches this interpretation, or something done for gameplay. Lor'themar is a good example as is meantioned in the trivia section. 23:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * While Velen welcomed Nobundo and his shamanistic teachings, he never became one himself. The point of the story was not that all draenei are going shaman, but merely that shamanism exists within the draenei culture. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)