Talk:Frostmourne

model viewer
I have seen Frostmourne on the WoW model viewer for some reason but it had the same model as The Hungering Cold. anyone know why was it added? Orshahaf 12/1/08 20:15


 * Hmm, not a very good likeness if you ask me...hopefully it's just a placeholder. If they were going to ruin the lore add something that important to the story you'd think they'd at least make it look nicer  ( like Gorehowl or the Blades of Azzinoth).  At least I expected it to be more intimidating, because the one in the cinematics sure as hell was.  --Super Bhaal 21:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I didn't play Pre-BC, but from what I've gathered The Lich King appears in the Kel'Thuzad fight, and blizzard wouldn't want him unarmed, so they needed a substitute, and The Hungering Cold looked the most alike. Battm7 (talk) 16:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC) Battm7

Arthas first death knight?
I wanted to include on this part that I was not sure if Arthas was the first death knight. Can anyone officiate this? - Zalen:Mannoroth
 * There is no possible way that Arthas was the first Death Knight because if you have played Warcraft 2, you would find out about Ner'Zhul's Death Knights (They were the equivalent of a Mage in Warcraft 2)
 * The Death Knights in Warcraft 2 are different from those in Warcraft 3: One is Mage and the other is Undead (Scourge), respectively. Even if they both are from Ner'Zhul, we can judge the differences by looking at their appearances (one wields a magic wand the other wields a runeblade) and the powers they conjure. Therefore, Arthas IS the first "undead" Death Knight of the Scourge, even if he looks humanoid.- Potential 11:30, 25 Aug 2007 (PST)
 * Two major problem's with your statements. The WCII deathknights were created by Gorefiend and were all killed by him before being raised as undead.  Gorefiend also did this to himself before, and was therefore the first "undead" death knight.  Even more importantly, at no point in his story does Arthas ever die.  He wasn't undead, and by all acounts, is still alive as a human.  Though he has likely become something more.
 * It was Gul'dan, not Gorefiend, who made the Death Knights during the Second War. As for whether Arthas was the first of Ner'zhul's Death Knights, I give you this quote from chapter 7 of the Undead Campaign: "Wizards of the Kirin Tor, I am Arthas, first of the Lich King's Death Knights!" --Paulus 19:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The sword would have had to originate from somewhere, it'd be nice to know where. though one can assume that whoever owned it first was also a Death knight. CJ 07:59, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

In "The Frozen Throne," Ner'Zhul says that Frostmourne used to be in the Throne with him. Because the Orcs don't usually use swords, it's speculated that the blade was forged by Kil'jaeden- Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper- 9:37 Jan 2 2006 (EST)
 * Frostmourne was only ever used to help the Lich King free himself from Kil'jaeden, so I very much doubt that Kil'jaeden himself had forged it. More likely Ner'zhul had tricked some other demons into forging it for him, like he had tricked Mal'Ganis. --Paulus 19:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

It's possible that Arthas was the first human Death Knight; the history of the Deathlord's in the Bonus Orc campaign says something about when Arthas took up the sword against his people that other paladins committed the same acts across the country. As for the sword's orgins, my best guess is that Ner'Zhul either made it in the throne at some point, or it came along with the ice Kil'Jaeden ordered.

There were death knights in warcraft 2. Charred But Alive 11:14, 23 June 2006 (EDT)


 * One : Frostmourne is said to be a runeblade. Two : the Dwarves, and particularly Brann's brother, were looking for it. Three : the Dwarves are known to have Runic culture, created by the Titans. Conclusion : Frostmourne may be a Titan or Dwarven sword of great power that was found by Kil'Jaeden or Ner'zhul who cursed it.-- K )  (talk) 12:29, 5 October 2006 (EDT)
 * I believe that Frostmourne was a simple runic blade that was infused with the Lich King's conscience/soul, which cursed it and causes that slow takeover of the weilder's body that we notice in Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos AND The Frozen Throne

True, Frostmourne is a runeblade, but it was titans who brought the concept of rune magic into existance, and Sargeras, a titan, created the burning legion. The markings on Illian's body have long reminded me of rune magic. Its plausible that much of the legion uses a demonic fel form of rune magic, which went into the creation of frostmourne.Tweak the Whacked 06:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Whether Arthas was the first Death-Knight is controversy that may be undecidable, however here is a bit of the obvious to show the sides of the arguement. Arthas was NOT the first Death-Knight if you account the first Death-Knights made by Ner'zhul. Now for those whom think Arthas was first, do not fret. It IS possible that Ner'zhul's first Death-Knights were more or less counted for as 'experiments'. Now I'm not saying this is officially put in or stated in lore but it is possible that when he embedded the soul of an orc in the body of a human he had not yet decided what he had truly created. When Arthas came in, it is possible that he TRULY gave the term 'Death-Knight' to these warriors of the darkness. Now this is merely up to your personal opinion and your thoughts on the matter. I was just trying to help both sides a bit with my own thoughts. Thats if you THINK I'm helping...
 * Bebuzzu
 * As has been previously stated, the death knights of the Second War were not only not made by Ner'zhul, they weren't even made via the same process. The Lich King's death knights are merely powerful warriors wielding unholy power in the service of the Lich King, some of whom are undead.  Gul'dan's death knights were the spirits of dead orcs placed within the corpses of dead Stormwind knights.  Though they may have inspired the Lich King's troops, they were really very different.  Now, as far as Arthas being the first, that's an easy one: he wasn't.  There are death knights in the Warcraft 3 human campaign.  His line about being the first was likely meant to be taken as him being the first AMONG the Lich King's death knights, not the first OF them. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Arthas never fought any Death Knights in the Warcraft 3 human campaign. All he fought was a Blademaster (in chapter 2), some Liches (in chapter 5 and 7) and Mal'Ganis (in chapter 6 and 9.) Alpha Sigma Sigma (talk) 19:09, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

warcraft 2
Frostmourne might be scepter of sargeras,as was wielded by the orc shaman as he entered the nether. This would explain the great power of frostmourne.
 * Nope, as the discussion at the top of this page says Frostmourne was forged by demons and put in the Frozen Throne, a couple of years after Sargeras kicked. --Super Bhaal 19:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Real Life Sword
This bit seems suspiciously like an ad.... especially since the contributor's name is Titusblair, the same as the site he directs us to.... --Mikaka 16:13, 15 December 2006 (EST) I agree. It should be removed. - --Ramming pure 05:24, 29 January 2007 (EST)


 * I think it should too, but I didn't. I did remove the image gallery -- the images are pretty small, and I'm not sure that they add anything to the article.  It's also not clear to me that they're licensed for wowwiki (even if they were added by the person creating the sword...which raises the whole question of appropriateness all over again). I also removed everything but the most basic factual information regarding the replica from the text about it.  But I left the link, against my better judgement. -Scrotch 20:51, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

you know, it might have sounded like an ad, but it's FRIGGIN FROSTMOURNE... it doesn't need an ad, if there is a replica, anyone who would buy it from seeing an ad would buy it from seeing that there is a purchasable replica.

Speaking of which, I am one of those who would buy it from seeing that there is a replica. The site keeps asking for the 'blizzard access code'. if this is my computer being retarded somebody should let me know, if it's not it'd be neat if you'd let people know how to see pics of the replica, even if you're not like 'go buy this'.

(edit) okay I'm retarded, blizz is all 'keep this hushy' to the guys makin the replica, so only blizz dudes know how to see the pics. sorry bout that.

Lim3Lit1 17:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Question about Frostmourne
How could there be stats on Frostmourne, assuming we looted it by defeating Lich King Arthas, when the powers of it are channeled from himself? If Arthas is to be dead, wouldn't the runeblade become totally useless since its original power channeler is gone? It's like you can't run a car if its batteries are gone (if you know what I mean).

For example, when we look back at the WC3: Frozen Throne game, Arthas was losing power (while wielding Frostmourne) when his master Lich King was dying from a fracture of the ice prison. From the readings of the WC3 Manual, Frostmourne was forged by the demons to hold Lich King's powers. The power, as stated by Tichondrius, was channeled from the Lich King to Arthas through the runeblade he wielded. Therefore, it's plausible that Arthas did lose power exponentially when the channeler of the sword is beginning to disappear. - Potential 11:47, 25 Aug 2007 (PST)


 * I dunno, why are we able to get Rivendare's runeblade? He's a Death Knight too.  According to the first RPG book runeblades  ( for example one you might pick up )  like to argue with their possessors until they win and the wielder heads to the largest local collection of Death Knights, seeking to become one.  According to Manual of Monsters Frostmourne has Arthas' soul as well as those of everyone he's killed in it and Ner'zhul worked some kind of enchantment on it that drew its wielder to him.  Either way, player + Frostmourne = trainwreck.  --Super Bhaal 19:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The reason why we could loot the Runeblade of Baron Rivendare is because the Lich King is not dead yet. The Lich King channels some of his powers to the runeblade in order to control Baron Rivendare. However, whether or not the player, after wielding the Runeblade of Baron Rivendare, is secretly controlled by the Lich King will remain debatable for a long time.  I do take your point, though.


 * <3 I at least hope NPCs don't look favorably on you when you carry it.  I mean, imagine walking around the Church thing in Stormwind with it in hand.   :/

Maybe there'll be some long, grueling quest you have to undergo to purify it..? --Super Bhaal 20:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Nah, that would be too similar to the whole Ashbringer thing. --Raze 06:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, then back to square one: I hope it eats the player who gets it, or the Silver Hand and anyone who lived in Lordaeron attack on sight. --Super Bhaal 08:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That would be fun :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * I would love to have a Player led faction. Imagine if it were true that the player who loots Frostmourne gets to become the new Lich King. Maybe he gets to attack major cities with limited amount of NPC with a limited time frame, and at the same time get other players to join their factions? Haha... a little far out but yea... --Invin Dranoel 12:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you guys know that the sword of thousand trues in make love no warcraft from the south park series looks suspiciously much like frostmourne, so maby stan is now the new lich king :P


 * If that's the case I'm canceling my account and preordering Stargate Worlds.  >=U  --Super Bhaal 16:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, its not the case. The sword your thinking of is The Hungering Cold. --Bebuzzu April 2nd 2008

A lesser known fact. Frostmourne is not only sword but as well as a guitar in WC3.--The last Alterac 10:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't like the idea of Frostmourne becoming a drop. The damn thing is supposed to be a soul sucking embodiment of the unending evil of the Lich King. Sorry... I don't buy it. Of course if the story of the Ashbringer is any indication, they'll probably come up with some hokey lore loophole to some how "Cleanse" the damn thing. Maybe some epic quest or something... Something with cameos from Muradin, Uther... maybe even King Terenas. Some ridiculously epic chain to stop yourself from becoming the next host for Nerzhul. In the end you get an incredibly powerful weapon, and one very dead Lich King. Hell, maybe throw in a posthumous redemption for Arthas too. --ArthosRa 2:40 AM, 18 December 2007 (PST)
 * Nothing we can do about it but love whoever the hell got kicked repeatedly as a child and decided to let this happen ( one guess ), and I'm just as sick of the "redeemed villain" crap as most of you guys are, but it's what the majority wants: Darth Vader.  --Super Bhaal 17:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Look, the point of this sword being made is not to mess with the lore or make you have a seizure. The point is so that players who are big fans of this legendary sword can drool over the sword and start wackin' hogs in Elwynn Forest to their heart's desire. Personally I see it as a good thing, unless you go around Stormwind in a RP-Server and have to explain how Arthas is alive but you have his sword. Also, YES when you beat Arthas you get the sword and all its glorious power. One of two things happens.


 * 1) You wield the sword with the power of Arthas's soul still in it, don't even TRY to go "Noob, his soul would be gone cuz you killd him lulz" because you killed his BODY. His souls still inside.


 * 2) Your own soul FUELS it though unlikely completely sucks yours in, it would explain how come it isn't as godly as when Arthas had it. And if you oh so even go "That doesn't make since lulz" then explain to me how come Arthas's body didn't rot or break into tiny pieces sitting on a freakin' ice cube without having to go take bathroom breaks or eat! Can't? Its called 'fantasy' for a reason. THANK YOU --Bebuzzu, The Guy Trying to Explain the Concept of "Fantasy" April 2nd, 2008


 * My guess is that frostmourne will get shattered/broken by Tirion Fordring (or any other big champion of the light, though tirion has the ashbringer atm and seems to stand the best chance) while the two duke it out (this taking place either right after or in the general time frame of players raiding ice crown) This could potentiely open the posibility of looting a frostmourne sliver (sword), frostmourne shard (staff headpiece) and frostmourne chip (dagger) being in several pieces would explain why the player isn't corrupted (while still having a voice talk to you once in a while like does. This also leave the door open for some idiot to collect all the pieces and become super powerful and evil, or use it to summon some big bad nasties (aka old gods). (Jonyb222 (talk) 18:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC))

Reference to Duke Nukem
Just a little bit of trivia: the "Hail to the king, baby" tagline is from the game "Duke Nukem 3D". Though I don't remember where exactly it appears there... --Darkstar 12:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually that line is originally from Army of Darkness (1992) (Bruce Campbell). :) Blargle 16:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

All this "Cursed" Stuff
The part of the "hail to the king, baby" thing and that person becomes the LK isn't... I just don't get it. First of all it's impossible since they could command the Scourge, and second more then one person will own and there'll be a conflict.  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  00:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The flavor text and equip effect were jokes.-- 01:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well technically its not a joke. A wielder of the Frostmourne will become corrupted, accordng to lore, and become a new host for the Lich King. They obviously won't allow that in-game because of limitations.Baggins 00:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Aww it would of been cool to command the scourge--The last Alterac 10:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * When Meivh was his owner, inside Atiesh there was the spirit of Sargeras, that made the Guardian go mad. Now, when you get the frame, base and head of the staff, Anachronos sends you in stratholme to clean the staff from his obscure presence, then you can equip it. I think that when we kill/defeat Arthas(NOT the Lich King, Just his corporal host) we can get his runeblade and bring it to the boss of dalaran that explains us how to "clean" the sword and wield it. Finally, I think that Frostmourne, being a Runeblade, will be Death Knights-only. -- 22:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's an important difference, however, between Frostmourne and Atiesh. Atiesh was merely a tool that become corrupted by its wielder.  Frostmourne, however, is essentially a part of the Lich King himself.  It originated within the Frozen Throne and is a direct conduit between the Lich King and Frostmourne's wielder.  To separate the Lich King's will from the blade would require nothing short of its destruction. -- Dark T Zeratul 23:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Inside Atiesh there was the spirit of Atiesh corrupted by Sargeras. Sargeras had already made the Guardian go mad, not the staff.-- 00:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not take that in consideration sorry-- 09:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway, the sword can't be Death Knight only. Arthas was able to equip it while he was still a paladin ;) --Imnick (talk) 09:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Relation to Ashbringer
Maybe, just maybe, you can loot Frostmourne, but it begins the next quest in the Ashbringer quest line. At the end of this chain you can get the Ashbringer, but with stats similar to Frostmourne.--User:banjokazooie 12:51, 5 January 2008


 * The Ashbringer has no living owner. The Corrupted Ashbringer, as stated in the Ashbringer Event in Scarlet Monestary, is corrupted beyond reuse. Therefore the Ashbringer players get had to come from repair, recreation, etc. The FROSTMOURNE however is a object of unknown origin, but it is highly more likely that to get the Frostmourne, as you do with the Twin Blades of Azzinoth, that you get it directly from Arthas itself. It is questionable if you get a recreation of it, if not impossible, being that its origin was from the Lich King itself before Arthas's merging with it. There are no known people or creatures or ANYTHING that proves the possibility of the Frostmourne ever being created or duplicated.
 * Bebuzzu

My opinion...

In reference to the Ashbringer, when it says it is corrupted beyond re-use, I beleive he means as weapon of holiness, not as a weapon in general, when a player obtained the corrupted weapon, you could hear the whisperings of Alexandros, meaning the the weapon still reatined a link with Highlord Mograine's soul, a replica weapon could not have retained this link with Mograine. Also, it's a bit quick to say that the Ashbringer has no owner but at the same time there is an element of it being independant. When the Ashbringer is wielded properly, as a tool of the Light, it becomes one with the wielder and the wielder and weapon become known as the collective of The Ashbringer, despite even now not owning the weapon, Alexandros Mograine is still considered the Ashbringer, as is Tirion Fordring who now wields it. This can mean one of two things: a) the weapon is more than the wielder, and if a Paladin is strong enough to wield the weapon in it's pure form he is known for being able to weild it and not as it's "owner" per say or b) that the weapon was initially named after it's Paladin, making the weapon "owned by" Alexandros Mograine, and thus making it his legacy. Also, in memory of the sword being the possesion of Mograine, all succesive owners dawn the name of the Paladin who was the initial owner, meaning the weapon is now owned by the man who wields it.

In reference to it's relation to frostmourne, although it does not have particuarly opposing origins (The Ashbringer came from King Magni Bronzebeard's blacksmithing, made - possibly - from a dieing naaru (high speculated) and Frostmourne was (we can assume) forged by demons of the Burning Legion along with the Plate of the Damned and the Helm of Domination to aid in the power of the Lich King.) they are the polar opposites of one another, the Ashbringer being potentially the most powerful Holy Weapon in Warcraft being made to command hope in the living and kill the undead and Frostmourne is a very powerful weapon of Unholy origin made with the intention of commanding the undead and killing the living (and of course the procuration of thier souls xD).

Extractum--Paladin-General of Stormwind 01:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Several Revenant
The text claim so, but I only rememeber one. The Guardian. And yet, shouldn't we mention him, somehow?(Nerub29 08:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC))

Limited edition Replica
The replica by EPIC Weapons hungers for a mention here ;P--Mondoblasto 10:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The truth
ok so no one knows what frostmourne is going to be like but 2 things are certain;

1: this will be obtainable by some means at level 80 probably by killing arthas in a 25man raid group; thus "beating" the game as there is no one left to kill.

2: this weapon will take one of two forms either: a.) Most likely a "Rune Sword" which is only usable by the death knight hero class and probably has dps stats and game altering equip effects we've never seen before

b.) A normal 2 handed sword meant for dps'ing as a warrior or paladin also with game altering equip effects

my personal guess:

Frostmourne Binds when picked up Unique Two-Handed                                        Sword 1000 - 1300 Damage                           Speed 3.50 (328.6 damage per second) +200 Strength +200 Stamina -100 Spirit(((u never know))) Requires Level 80 Equip: Attacks Ignore 100% of armor. Equip: Improves Haste Rating by 150. Equip: Increases attack power by 1200. Equip: Essence of Souls. The Runeblade attempts to corrupt the mind of the weilder.(((talks to you in whisper like essence or eranikus and gives u altered factions like ashbringer))) Chance on hit: Inflicts 2000 Chaos damage on the target.(((irresistable))) "Whomsoever takes up this blade shall wield power eternal. Just as the blade rends flesh, so must power scar the spirit."

or arthas is just impossible to defeat even by nihilum so no one will ever beat the game :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * There are still many other bosses that need defeating, Kil'jaeden doesn't die at the sunwell, Sargeras is possibly alive somewhere. Queen Azshara is out there somewhere.  We have yet to discovery what is inside the Maelstrom, and don't forget, we haven't seen the entire world of Azeroth yet.  There is also the Emerald Dream.  Arthas is far from being the final boss.  04:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * They also might 'ressurect' old bosses like Ragnaros and C'Thun to keep the game from getting old, after all I miss those guys. Lets not forget that C'Thun isn't the only Old God out there and theres still the matter of the Titans!


 * Soo there is no way the World of Warcraft is gonna end too soon, or probaly it wont ever end O_o, (Entaro Adun)(DarckArchon)

you get a weakend version?
just like how Illidan drained the skull of gul'dan, and how there is still enough residual power in it to make a sweet trinket, but not to make u a awesome winged guy, mabye u get a weakend version. So as stated, the source of its power is gone, but maybe the sword itself had some abilities even without the LK controlling it. --Truckman1 22:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Its a weapon thats cursed and used by Death Knights whom already use pre-made runes to empower the weapons they wield, so it is most likely that it won't. If not it will be weakened by very little or else Death knights will start a riot at Blizzard HQ. -- Bebuzzu, The Guy Making a Death Knight


 * The true origin of Frostmourne is unknown, only presumed to be crafted by Ner'zhul or the Burning Legion. We have no way of knowing where its powers truly originate from, only that it is a tool used by Ner'zhul.  Without knowing where it originates from, we have no idea where it's powers originate either, and the owner dying doesn't mean it will lose them.   01:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Couldn't it be a Death Knight only weapon? :P Like... When Lich King is dead it DOES get weakened, but the deathknights might not have any souls it can corrupt so they run around and pwn everything :D?
 * Ofel

I vote for purified Frostmourne! Deiena (talk) 16:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Frostmourne Born
The Screenshot is clearly fake for several reasons, first, its made with the sword from the webpage of wotlk, second artifacts are not red, third its a photoshop, you can see a character where the itembox is, i vote for a removal of that.--Gurluas 06:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you talking about the screenshot that was released at Blizzcon? In which case, I think it should stay as it's made clear in the article that the stats may change. I don't really see what's wrong with having it in there to be honest. Warchiefthrall 23:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * He means the fake screenshot we removed a while back. 23:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh right sorry, I didn't even check to see the screenshot Gurluas was talking about. Apologies :) Warchiefthrall 00:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Why Two-handed??
Why is it Two-handed? If its going to be two-handed only some classes can use it. Why not make it just a "Weapon" so every class can wield it. Or make it turn you into The Lick King on pick up, so you can wield it.

Concerning the discussion above, i think there is only going to be one Frostmourne in each realm (there can't be two lich kings at the same time). Though the weapon is going to force you into PvP (everyone can attack you at any time), and if you get killed, someone else will be able to pick up the weapon and become The Lich King. -- Kanaxai |   | Talk  12:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That is not an actual item just an idea presented at blizzcon and it's up to blizzard to decide it's specifics. More importantly this page is for discussing changes to the article, this isn't a forum. Theorizing doesn't belong on this page and needs to stop. 13:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I say it is two-handed because it takes two hands to swing it, because it's really large. It's also a sword, because it's a sword.   22:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

lol u mean that if an epic player wields it and dies in a bg, a 11year old kid who bought his acc on ebay can just swoop in and take it? aouch

Preferable Class?
Acording too the stats it would be good for a Paladin cose he neads intelect for mana, strength for damage, and stamina for health and then history will repeat like in Arthas's case from paladin too Death Knight but still watt other classes would be recommended ? (Entaro Adun)
 * Any Paladin who would take a two-handed sword would not take Intellect. I'm sure that if it is obtainable, it would be for Death Knights, Paladins, and maybe Warriors.  22:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

i think that the warrior classes get this after a quest cleaned frostmourn and the casters gets this antonidas staff and the rangers get an famous bow i dont know many billycool 11/11-09

Why the hell would there even be Intellect on a 2handed sword? thats just a waste of space. i could understand Agility, but Int? I'm glad they gave us Shadowmourne instead. - 3/21/10
 * Considering it was a joke made during Blizzcon 2007... 23:27, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Titan origin
Though it is commonly assumed that it was the demons of the Burning Legions who forged the sword and used it to bind Ner'zhul's soul to the Frozen Throne, a closer examination of the weapon itself suggest otherwise. The blade have clear rune markings on its surface which clearly indicate its utilization of Rune magic powers. There is no evidence that any demons within the Legion ever used such powers. In fact it is well known that demons use Fel energy as their source of strength and tool for corruption as clearly shown on the Throne of Kil'jaeden where the Felblood elves have been corrupted and became addicted to fel energy. Thus it makes little sense that demons would craft a weapon with powers that deviate so much from their specialty. An alternative explanation that make more sense is that the demons did not craft the weapon but merely found and used it, and the question of who crafted the weapon points to the only race we know that use Runic powers and predates Ner'zhul - the Titans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

Armory
I found these today on the armory. http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33350 http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=36942 http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33475 -Seriau

Frostmourne Effect
If i can see right i remeber reading how they scraped the script effect, And more than one frostmourne will drop, as for it origins...I say the design itself may be titan the design...Runes perhaps necrmancy mixed with titan knowlegde or just runes as for the draining your soul necromancy/Connection to the lich king...It may not since it has only be done once with prince arthas...So since all of these things have only been done once...The lich may not be killed in my thoughts he might have one last fight ARthas vs. Ner'zhul and forstmourne may be purified....All just my guess from lore and my thoughts.


 * This is not a forum. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 21:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Why did Frostmourne start glowing blue?
I never really thought about it until recently, but Frostmourne has never glowed blue, including the runes, until Wrath of the Lich King. Is there a reason to it, or did they just do it to add to its flavor? 22:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the cinematic art book, it's pretty much for show. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the answer. 00:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Missing Frostmourne Runes?
I noticed recently that if you watch the cinematics in WarCraft III, you'll notice that FrostMourne has 2 runes near the hilt of the blade that no other shot or picture has. Even in other scenes, & the model of Arthas they're missing. Anyone else noticed this? Zerakule (talk) 04:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

In the game
Aside from all the lore conflicts I think it should have more damage like maybe 759-1256 damage and like 250 DPS any thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * Those aren't real stats; it was an example given during a Blizzcon panel when they announced it. In any case, this is not a forum. We don't care whether or not item stats are accurate to the lore. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * As far as we know, those are its in-game stats.-- 23:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Besides then armageddon would be more powerful, and plus it killed Suarfang the Younger in one hit!(or was that all the lich king?).


 * Speculating on what its statistics will be does nothing for us. As for Saurfang, I remind you that cinematics and in-game cutscenes are meant to mirror real life- in real situations, you don't have hitpoints- so killing someone with one hit just means you have good aim and they had a hole in their defense (and one or two other things), not that you got a critical strike or something. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I like that! --Super Bhaal (talk) 11:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why is Shadowmourne replacing Frostmourne? We can get the Twin Blades of Azzinoth but not this?TichondriusLives (talk) 22:12, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Cause Frostmourne is too powerful for mortals such as yourself. 22:15, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Because Frostmourne would steal your soul. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:32, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

And recent lore suggests that there will always have to be a Lich King, therefore meaning whoever the new one is, obviously not a player, will wield Frostmourne. Just as Tirion wields the true, pure Ashbringer. We only got the corrupted version, which is no longer available. Vae Victis 09:02, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Runes
What are the symbols engraved on the actual blade? I will need a response before October 31st. BobNamataki (talk) 15:47, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Uther's speach.
In HoR the spirit of Uther says that someone must always wield Frostmourne and that the scourge is more dangerous without a leader. I don't remember the exact text, so I can't add it myself.SargeLIVES (talk) 15:34, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * The dialogue in question comes from Quest:Frostmourne (Alliance), and while Uther says that someone must take over as the Lich King he says nothing about needing to wield Frostmourne. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:12, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Although it does indirectly say it. The Lich King's power was bound to Frostmourne. All runeblades have one, true master. Frostmourne is the Lich King's. Meaning that whoever takes up the position, would take up Frostmourne. And even if that turns out to be untrue, I'm sure the next Lich King would take Frostmourne as his/her own, given its symbolism of power over the Scourge and the title of Lich King. Mykael Mourningsun Vae Victis 23:02, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's actually nothing stating that the Lich King's power is bound to the blade. In fact, the Lich King was perfectly capable of functioning without for quite some time while he was waiting for Arthas to claim it. Frostmourne may be bound to the Lich King, but that doesn't mean that the Lich King is bound to Frostmourne. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:29, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well as I said, even if it turned out to be untrue that they're bound to one another, the next Lich King would most likely take it up because of the symbolic power, and I'm certain it's the most powerful Runeblade. So it'd actually be smart for the next Lich King to take it as their own. Plus it would save Blizzard time to just use it rather than come up with another infamous weapon considering the fact that Frostmourne is immortalized. We do have Shadowmourne, but I doubt it'll gain the same reputation as Frostmourne. Mykael Mourningsun Vae Victis 05:29, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Frostmourne WAS the most powerful Runeblade, until it was destroyed. Given that it was originally forged by the Nathrezim, and that there are no Nathrezim in the Lich King's service, I very much doubt that the Lich King could have it repaired, either. Alpha Sigma Sigma (talk) 17:28, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

soul list
I had a little idea of a list in which all the souls that are in/claimed by frostmourne are named. is that a good idea? if yes, can I add it? :P Mezirsha (talk) 18:27, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is. I started one before getting frustrated and giving up, problem being because of the RTS gameplay i wasn't sure who exactly had died (Like Ballador), who had specificly been killed by Arthas and/or Frostmourne, and whether or not undead beings in Arthas service still had their souls, or if Frostmourne had them, once had them but didn't have them any longer, or some combination of the formeantioned. Etc...but if your up for it i think it's alright. Theres a list of people Arthas has killed somewhere around here, that might help out. 18:34, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * hmm, should it be chronologic or alphabetic? :P Mezirsha (talk) 18:47, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Arthas has proven one does not need a soul to continue "living". 21:20, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Screenshot
That might be a bit hard to get, but a screen of the shattered Frostmourne would be nice.

So if a Lich King raider is passing by try thinking about it.

Thanks you.

00:59, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have screenshots from the cinematic... would that count? I cropped it a little, and uploaded the pictures to Photobucket, because I didn't want to waste this site's bandwidth with a bunch of "picture A or picture B?" nonsense.
 * Picture A
 * Picture B
 * Both might need a little bit of cropping, and will likely need some compression and other wiki-wizardry before they can be posted (I pulled the screenshots directly from the .MPQ.), but I'm sure you guys could work something out if you like the screenshots. :--Super Bhaal (talk) 22:29, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks!
 * 22:59, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, and I'm glad I could help. --Super Bhaal (talk) 23:15, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Shards in Dalaran
I realize that it is never a good idea to try to connect lore to gameplay. Although, it kinda bugs me that the remains of Frostmourne are present within Dalaran offering the options to view what transpired atop the Frozen Throne. Despite Bolvar wanting all to believe the Lich King died and Bolvar Fordragon died with him, placing the blade there just for other players to watch the cutscene seems to be highly redundant and make little sense.

AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 23:19, March 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I doubt that "lorewise" a character living in dalaran can "click" the monument and see a video about he last moment of Arthas and Bolvar's fate.
 * And the blade on the monument is most likely a replica, not the remains of the sword
 * 23:26, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Especially given that it's the same color as the rest of the monument. Incidentally, you don't watch the cutscene by clicking the blade, you watch it by clicking the plaque. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:34, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

"No one knows where the remnants of Frostmourne are now."
Wait... And the shattered hilt at the Dedication of Honor??? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 20:16, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's just part of the statue. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:40, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Though they created a video-statue, to show everyone what the world must not know, right in the middle of Dalaran, I dare hope that the hilt is just part of the statue (and the hilt on the statue is at least 3 times bigger than Frostmourne).
 * 21:01, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Nah it's just a golden-made part of the statue, they wouldn't bother toe paint it with golden paint would this one be a real Frostmourne hilt:P Besides although Tirion sometimes does strange things... I really doubt he'd put Frostmourne's part in the middle fo Dalaran where any agent of evil could steal it... Encaitar (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A'noob> I always thought of the cinematic the statue plays as being a sort of gameplay-only perk - like, in-universe, you'd just see the statue and be able to read what was engraved on the plaque, but not receive any sort of special vision from reading it... Yeah, I know, this isn't a forum. Thought I'd give my two copper pieces.  --SCARY WIZARD (talk) 20:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Frostmourne Damaged
In the openning cinematic to Wrath, where by Lich King plunges Frostmourne into the groud at that moment, I noted it has a few cracks a long its edge. It made me wonder if this had any bearing on whether or not this why Frostmourne was shattered by Ashbringer.

Thoughts?

Quintem (talk) 17:06, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's definatly a possibility. --Sir Tristram (talk) 18:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)