Wowpedia talk:Village pump/Archive18

CSS / JS revamp
Few things have been fixed/added throughout the site, such as the possibility to show/hide tables (see ), or the preferences page. Hope you like them! -- 01:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the extensive CSS work (feedback and suggestions please!), I have altered a few Main Page links slightly, with Reputation and Warcraft Universe now appearing. The latter needs a fair bit of link work, whilst one page it links, Quotes of World of Warcraft, is weird to say the least. It repeats a massive amount of info from flirts and jokes. One other quick thing - how should tables be changed? Atm they appear as:

... and should probably be altered to fit better with the colour scheme. A darker background perhaps? For comparison pre (large code block) tags use #2c2c2c, whereas darktable (nav tables) uses #202020. 01:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm tempted to remove the default bg colour from tables entirely, since it doesn't actually help (and messes with certain other elements, such as categories). 03:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * More tweaks made! I have yet to do anything with table bgs yet, asi want to see what stuff breaks with the change. The only stuff I have come across so far is some info tables on zones, e.g. Elwynn Forest, which need converting to new-style tables anyway. 18:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * nav boxes, like stuff derrived from, don't actually use darktable... they need converted over.   03:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As a very minor nugget of info: CSS 2.1 has a color shortcut, where you type #rgb and it's expanded to #rrggbb - that means something like #fc2 will expand to #ffcc22, not #f0c020. So maybe when picking widely used colors, stick to that convention, (meaning change both to #222222). Of course, it's safe to assume most people reading this wiki aren't on ancient 8-bit color displays.  But it doesn't hurt to be "accessible" to some degree.  Further reading:  --Piumosso-Uldum 04:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You might want to remove the "google ads" line from above the "Wiki Spotlight" box in the nav column on the left. - 19:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I have mentioned it to those who can change it. I hate that sidebar anyway, in my own CSS it has no borders or backgrounds. 20:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Another quick change - tables now have no background by default, so you may find tables that need a background defined. The only one's I came across in testing were on zone pages (e.g. Westfall), but those tables need redoing anyway. 17:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I need a styling opinion on class boxes. Some classes shouldn't have an issue with background coloring. Paladin, mage, rogue, and priest are exceptions, due to their light class color. For the paladin I feel like I got a good color. Further, someone might want to set up alternating background colors for some lists (I'll do my best on the paladin ones. See Paladin and comment on the color choice. Modify at will in mediawiki:common.css. Use your favorite color picker, but the one I found with little searching, which is good enough for me, is ColorPicker 3.1.

I've also changed essentially all the templates that call Template:listboxformat so that they're properly classed. Some of the times I invented a new class in the middle of it, so not all similar boxes have the same classing scheme throughout. That's pretty easy to fix, and will come out in the wash I suspect. It is my opinion that many similar templates should be classed similarly (in the relevant way) so that even if their class isn't described in the CSS at the moment, in the future you will be able to describe them all in one swoop, and they'll all match in their own way. It could take a lot of work to manage that now, but for future reference.... Schmidt 16:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Great work! 18:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I came home and my brother's computer was on NFL.com. He's a Dallas fan, so it was open to the box scores for their preseason game. I found it interesting that their rookie kicker Nick Folk made a 52-yard FG and Grammatica missed a 51-yarder. In any case, I noticed that when you mouseover a stat row on Martin Grammatica's page the entire row takes a different class. I know that it can't be that hard to manage with coding. (onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className= '' ") I looked at the source and it's pretty basic, but I was wondering if we could manage to set something up somehow where we could have built-in coding...somehow...yeah. I don't know how it could be pulled off other than the obvious (which would be to code that in for each row), but I wonder if you crazy bot-writing people could jerry-rig something in that regard. Further, is this something that anyone would be interested in implementing for generalized styling? If so, and if no other coding would help, I suppose we could write a template that would allow a row to be formatted with one class normally, and if it was moused over, it would take an alternate class. The main class and the mouseover classes should be user-selectable with the call to the template. Or possibly (not sure about this), maybe we could define some such as: .paladin {...} .paladin:hover {...}, eh? Anyone know? Schmidt 23:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And I've added warlock and mage colors to the CSS. See user:D. F. Schmidt/Sandbox for a test version of the nav table. I'll work on more class colors as I find the time and energy. Comments on color formatting are welcome, as well as whether or not these colors (even if otherwise adopted) should be found in the classnav table. Schmidt 06:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. I added all the class colors with the obvious exception of Death Knight. Take a look at my sandbox as above. The class colors could use some tweaking, and I don't mind it one bit. I tried to keep all the colors used within the realm of the class color. Obviously rogues and priests are especially tricky on that part. For priests I just made them silverish; rogues are even more tricky than that because yellow doesn't translate well into darker colors. In any case, I would like it if class pages and especially tables that are associated with a given class use these colors (not these specific colors, but class coloring as such), but I don't think I can enforce that to any extent greater than just an expression of wish. Schmidt 13:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I don't think class coloring to that extent really flows well with the coloring of the wiki. If you hadn't noticed, the wiki is a dark grey background with very dark hues of the other colors.  Especially, using bright pink for the paladins won't work.  Maybe for accent, but not for the entire table.  I think the second dispel example on your sandbox might be best. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 13:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As if I hadn't noticed that. I was, after all, designing the colors according to a foreground of white text. I did a pretty good job of selecting colors, I think. I could have done a little better obviously, or--better yet--someone else could have suggested a color or two in response, and even better still, someone else could have come up with a better color right off. In any case, well... whatever. Schmidt 07:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed, the last dispel table looks ok, the others are a bit excessive on color. -- 15:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, so I guess we can just have one such definition for class box elements, meaning no alternate colors for alternating lines. That works, and it makes it better really, since if the alt colors as they are now are the main colors, it'll match the dark overall scheme better. Alright, when I get to it, I'll change it if no one else has yet. I do agree, but I wanted to check it out anyways. Schmidt 07:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Priest alternate row color was badly defined anyway. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 21:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I challenge you and anyone else to present a suggestion that someone might have made as to what color these elements should take. (I never said they were the best colors, but the best I could do with my limited design experience.) After all, what is a wiki for, anyways? Schmidt 08:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * By badly defined I mean it was an invalid number being passed in the CSS entry. You seem to have left off a digit. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 12:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You should make the ".paladin a, .paladinalt a" definition white in my opinion, pink on pink looks terrible. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

So we have JS... the big question... when are we getting Wowhead-provided hover tooltips for loot? 07:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

''Separated PcJ's tooltip discussion into it's own section below. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) ''

JS Tooltips

 * I'm looking for people to help me test my implementation of WoWWiki-powered hover tooltips for that. If you're interested, let me know. Thanks! --Pcj (T&bull;C) 21:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * To do this, edit your Special:Mypage/wowwiki.js and add this code:

document.write(' ');
 * And you will see tooltips on calls to loot. Beware that once you move the cursor over, there will be a small wait time before the tooltip shows up. After checking it out for a while, you can decide for yourself whether or not you like it. Schmidt 14:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Watch out for " " inside scripts -- if you don't break it up, most some browsers will try to terminate the script there. If you break up the tag as "", though, it works fine.   20:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * wowwiki.js is included as a reference too, so the HTML parser shouldn't touch it; therefore &lt;/script&gt; is ok. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 21:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * References aren't proof against that problem. For example, I'm using FF 2.0.0.6 and when it encounters the string " " inside an externally-referenced script, it terminates the script, dumps the remainder as text to the web page, and generates an "unterminated string" error, exactly the same as if the script were in-line.  Strange, but true.  [[File:Smiley.gif]]   23:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm using the exact same browser and not getting that problem. Anyway, whatever works for you. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 23:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I like it! Works great here... running FF 2.0.0.6   02:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Testing out in IE7 and the tooltips are working great! :-D Tyka 07:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Tyka: You may notice that sometimes the tooltips don't display in the right place in IE7. If you notice it and can figure out any commonality or reason behind it, please let me know. Thanks. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 04:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The Revolution will not be outlined as a bullet list
Does anyone else here feel that Microsoft Powerpoint will be the downfall of human civilization? I mean no offense to any editor in particular, and I don't want to single out specific articles, and I realize that this is a senseless nitpick and others will disagree. But, I've always felt that the English language is a beautiful and unique snowflake. So, when I read bullet lists of sentence fragments, it wounds my inner child. In general, I'm wondering if anyone else has felt this way, and is it worthwhile to expand and draw more attention to WoWWiki's manual of style. Thoughts? Flames? --Piumosso-Uldum 00:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What lists are you referring to? I like angle brackets myself.-- 00:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's just a general style thing. I was trying to avoid putting a specific article on the spot, so I'll take a good example and bastardize it.  Consider if the article on Illidan Stormrage began like this:


 * Illidan Stormrage:
 * Known as the Betrayer
 * Current Lord of Outland
 * Rules the Black Temple


 * ...instead of what is actually there...


 * Illidan Stormrage, known as the Betrayer, is the current the Lord of Outland, ruling from the Black Temple.


 * Which style is better? --Piumosso-Uldum 00:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The latter, by miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles     :)  00:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

for aligning rows anyone?)... but in my view the first priority of the wiki is to make accurate information available to everyone. Making said info pretty and grammarly correctish is lower priority.  Not that that's an excuse to not be using the good englishes if you already know its.   02:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Your inner child is a whiner, can a smack him upside the head a few times? I will agree that there's some really nasty crap that goes up on the wiki (tables that use


 * Well, my other idea was to enforce iambic pentameter for all articles, but I'm keeping that on hold. That would be redic... err RIDICulous. --Piumosso-Uldum 05:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Iambic pentameter for the win!
 * Unfortunately it will soon become
 * too repetitious than we all can stand.
 * So, I suggest some rhyme and, just for kicks,
 * some four line stanzas alternating rhythm.
 * So, after pentameter switch to tri.
 * -- DuTempete  talk  |  contr  18:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I have a new hero --Ilublawn 19:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Back on topic... Although painful to realize, WoWWiki is not a literature wiki and some people don't want to ply the antediluvian courses of glittering prose to find information about a subject. Hence, bullet items. My counter argument... would you rather see a disambig for corruption in this form:
 * A warlock might consider the Corruption (spell) most apropos rather than the clumsy weapon Corruption (sword), when engaging in the dark path that leads to the Quest:Corruption which ironically would only make sense if said warlock was also a blacksmith.
 * Although it may read nicely, lingering on a disambig isn't really efficient or necessary. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 11:09 AM PDT 23 Aug 2007


 * Art is hardly antediluvian. That said, the disambiguation page would not be doing its job very well if it was worded like your example there. Indeed, you wouldn't want a simple page looking like that, or be so wordy. The example of Illidan is proper. The prose version is not too wordy or confusing in the least. The bulleted version is simply, awkward and clunky and less useful. I think. Maybe I can't put my finger on it. Schmidt 13:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Druid Abilities, not broken out by level.
OK. This page appears to not follow the conventions used for other classes. All other classes break it down by level in order. Druid abilities are simply listed with how many ranks they have, giving no indication WHEN they become available.

Any problem with changing it to match other ability pages?

Oh, how do we find all tables?

-- 10:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * See WP:BOLD. Making pages uniform is always welcome (especially as long as you keep all the content).  I don't know what you're looking for in "find all tables". --Pcj (T&bull;C) 13:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess what I am looking for is a simpler way to make nice looking tables than all of the steps we have to go through now. Are there programs to convert word documents into WIKI commands?  Perhaps HTLM to WIKI that we can use at this site.  16:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 
 * MS Word generates nasty, bloated HTML, so please don't use that. Making tables in WoWWiki isn't that hard. I can give a quick tutorial here:
 * &#123;| is that same as &lt;table&gt;
 * &#123;| cellspacing="3px" style="border:1px solid #333333;" is the same as &lt;table cellspacing="3px" style="border:1px solid #333333;&gt;
 * |- is the same as &lt;tr&gt;</tt>
 * |- bgcolor="#666666"</tt> is the same as &lt;tr bgcolor="#666666"&gt;</tt>
 * ||</tt> is the same as &lt;td&gt;</tt>
 * | align="center" colspan="2" |</tt> is the same as &lt;td align="center" colspan="2"&gt;</tt>
 * |&#125;</tt> is that same as &lt;/table&gt;</tt>
 * With this basic knowledge you can make pretty fancy tables.
 * So in example:
 *  &#123;|border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" </tt>
 *  |-bgcolor="#666666" </tt>
 *  |align="center" width="60px"|Status </tt>
 *  |align="center" width="80px"| Server  </tt>
 *  |align="center" width="60px"| Faction  </tt>
 *  |align="left" width="80px"|Name </tt>
 *  |align="center" width="40px"|Gender </tt>
 *  |align="center" width="80px"| Race  </tt>
 * <tt> |align="center" width="70px"| Class  </tt>
 * <tt> |align="center" width="40px"| Level  </tt>
 * <tt> |-bgcolor="#040418" valign="top" </tt>
 * <tt> |align="center"|active </tt>
 * <tt> |align="center"|Dalaran US </tt>
 * <tt> |align="center"| </tt>
 * <tt> |align="left"|Gnomity </tt>
 * <tt> |align="center"|M </tt>
 * <tt> |align="center"|Gnome
 * <tt> |align="center"|Warrior
 * <tt> |align="center"|19 </tt>
 * <tt> |&#125; </tt>
 * Yields:


 * Granted, if you don't want create a table from scratch you might want to just hunt down someone else's table and copy/edit it. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 4:57 PM PDT 23 Aug 2007

Gems vs Minerals
Off updating engineered items, I got side tracked by the Talasite page. It seems that when the decision was made to shift Template:Gems to Template:Minerals, few of the links were updated. The old template was a sidebar, and so at the top of the page. There is now a new Gems template, which IMO has useful information, but is much better sitting at the bottom of the page. Both templates have some value, different information, but some overlap. Opinions on whether to: Please note that many minerals (Jade, for instance) that are not Gem stones need to have their links updated. I may get around to it, but... --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * use both templates (ala Talasite as of this writing),
 * just the minerals template (ala Blood Garnet)
 * just use the gems template (like Earthstorm Diamond)


 * Okay to have both. The gems template is misleading as it only lists gems. The minerals sidebar is getting kind of huge. -- Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 1:07 PM PDT 3 Aug 2007


 * I would suspect that the gems template is to show what items can be inserted into sockets. Maybe it should be called "Socket Gems" or some such, but for simplicity keep it as template:gems. But also, there are pearls (I think) that can be inserted into sockets, and enchanting-crafted items also. I don't know how you would want to finagle that. I'll give it a shot right now, and I'll consider my upcoming change revertible if anyone wants it back the way it was. Schmidt 05:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Pearls are considered gemstones in the real world, why would it be any different in WoW? I think both templates are fine and shold be used in context (BC minerals will get both templates, pre-BC ones will get minerals only) Perhaps minerals need some of that auto-collapse majick? Only show the relevant section?  05:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Doable, with Wikipedia:NavFrame. If you need to see it in action, have a look at Template:Mage. With NavFrame, it is also possible to force it to un-collapse in the specific section, which isn't done at Mage. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, so maybe I misunderstood. Based on what template:gems always was, it would be obvious to me that it's specifically for those gems that are to be cut or those that are ready as is to go into a socket. Not stuff like Mana Emerald (which is also something of a "gem") or Moss Agate which is only a reagent, not a gem to be cut and socketed. It simply doesn't make sense to fit older gems in such a template which from inception was specifically for socket gems. imo, nothing found in http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3.7 should be in such a list. On the other hand, the BC gems should be included with the older ones (perhaps) because many of them if not all are used as reagents in crafted items. Schmidt 06:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My only beef with this issue is that the profession is called Jewelcrafting and not gemcrafting. It would be easier if we could distinguish cuttable gems as "jewels" like it seemed to be when this whole idea started. Calling a Moss Agate "only a reagent" is unnecessarily confusing because all but the most alien items in WoW are generally analogous to real world items. Imagine how your fiancee would feel if you got her an engagement ring with big reagent or reagent necklace. This is the only reason why it would be nice to have the gems template be renamed to something a bit more specific. Keeping it gems is mostly for the lazy. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 11:49 PM PDT 24 Aug 2007


 * In the auction house, all what you call gems or jewels are listed as Gems. In a parallel vein, ammo bags that carry bullets not arrows are also grouped up under Quiver. Non-weapon offhand items fall under Armor. I'm not one to look for the reagent-only gems (rarely to never need them), but they are listed (in wowhead) as simple gems. I'm not positive, but my best guess would be that they appear in Trade Goods at the auctioneer. In any case, still, consider the scope of template:gems, and that of template:minerals. And there is no reference in WoW itself to them being "jewels" specifically other than the fact that they're cut by Jewelcrafters. Then again, ores are smelted by miners. Go figure. Incidentally, you wouldn't give your fiancee a "gem ring" or "jewel ring" either, for your engagement. Schmidt 08:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh, what if he doesn't like diamonds? Even then, diamonds are another gemstone in the end.  When I worked in Jewelry we had distinct display cases... "Bridal Diamonds", "Fashion Diamonds" (everything not bridal/wedding bands that had diamonds), "Fine gemstones", "Cubic Zirconia", "10KT Gold", "14KT Gold", and "Sterling Silver".  So yes, for someone who doesn't like diamonds, like my husband, one WOULD buy them a gemstone ring, unless they went for a stoneless ring like the gold and silver.  I'm somewhat partial to rubies, garnets and deep green emeralds (created obviously, real deep green ones are hideously expensive).
 * The whole point here was to make a distinction between cut items that fit in sockets and raw crafting materials. WoW never makes reference to "Jewels", but the word has the same meaning as "Gemstone"... so it didn't make much sense fo "Gem " to be raw and "jewel" to be processed... as was the previous nomenclature here on the wiki.  Yes, "Mineral" vs "gem" can be debated as well, but it makes more sense than "Gem" vs "Jewel" did.  Personally I like "Simple gem", it's much less confusing, and it is the naming Blizzy uses on the AH.  And for those that asked, "Simple" gems are listed under the "Gem" category, not the "Trade Goods" one.
 * Oh yea, also, I hate the word "Jewelcrafters"... the real-world analogue is "Jeweler" or "Gem Cutter" (which are two distinctly different things) :P 09:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

And back to the left. I just updated gems to the navbox design. Seems fair that it should be moved to, say, socketgems, and both templates used when appropriate. 10:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

et al.
So, Wrath of the Lich King is here, and no-doubt we're gonna get a great many pages appearing in the next few days. So i threw together a quick mini-logo to put into templates, Any Opinions?

There was some discussion on IRC about how the template is over/miss used, and perhaps because of that we do not need a  nor infact a. Anyone wish to discuss that? I have different sizes if the minilogo, if smaller/larger is wanted.

--Kaso 21:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's normally abbreviated to Wrath. I just made this one from yours, I think this might be better.  <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;">IconSmall_Dwarf_Male.gif<span style="background:#191919; border:1px solid #494949; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-variant:small-caps; font-size:90%;"><span style="cursor:help" title="Click me!"> K a n a r u   <span style="background:#252525; border:1px solid #494949; border-left:0px; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-right:4px; font-size:90%;"> <font color="#EEEEEE">discussion   01:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Blood Elves[[File:Bc_icon.gif]]
 * Death Knights[[File:Wrath-Logo-Small.PNG]]


 * Yes thats pretty nice actually i was worried mine was a little too large, the Wrath one does seem to better sized. I wonder if anyone else has opinions on this? --Kaso 20:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Just like "the burning crusade" is cut down to BC.
 * i think "wrath of the lich king" might just be cut down to WK, or WLK
 * i'm not sure the big banners are needed, though for continents it'll definitely be a good idea. 15:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like I used a different image than [[File:Wotlk-mini.png]] for wotlk-inline . Nothing personal, but I like the "Wrath" one, since it is a bit sharper as far as readability and a bit smaller. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 5:34 PM PDT 6 Aug 2007


 * Two weeks later... I like "Wrath" better myself. It's sharper, a tad smaller, and more logical than "WotLK".  With Burning Crusade "BC worked well, it was easy to say, but you try saying, or typing "WotLK".... it just doesn't roll off the tongue...   05:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Preview of new default skin options!
Check out the preview page for ideas on what the new default skin may become, and leave your feedback on the talk page!

--Rustak 23:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The yellow is too bright IMO. Can you tweak it to match a bit closer to the bottom of the W logo?   09:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * What he said, absolutely. Maybe even some "used" look like the logo itself. Apart from that I think it's fine, but why does it have to be changed at all? <span style="color:#ff9900;font-family:verdana;font-size:11px;font-weight:bold;cursor:help;" title="My hovercraft is full of eels.">Flotsam ( talk   con )  16:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess the thought here is that some of the gadgets and features of the new design will encourage editing, and returning readership? As far as I can tell, it's not going to make things any easier on those of us who are already editing, but it sure is more Wikia-fied. --<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete   talk  |  contr  17:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Respond on Wowpedia talk:Default Skin Preview, please! Thanks :) 21:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh god no,, don't add half a page of that wikia stuff, we complained before the move that that was 1 thing nobody wanted to see. We like the colors the way they are :P and huge panels really distract from the normal content. 07:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Owie my eyes! What's wrong with the nice gentle grey background? Having them available as possible choices, ok, but eye-meltingly loud colors bad. --Azaram 04:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

PNG problem
Ever since the main page redesign, .png files will not display for me! 02:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you using Internet Explorer? --Pcj (T&bull;C) 02:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There was javascript implemented a while ago to help make png's transparent in IE6, that should be the only thing affecting png, not the main page redesign. -- 14:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I've been away. Yes, I am using IE6.  Is there something I need to en-/dis-able?   23:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean. *All* PNGs won't display? 23:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, let me be more specific. As a page loads (no the image, the whole page) I can see the image.  But as soon as it finishes loading, all the images become transparent.  I can click on them still, but they arent there.  It's not a broken image either.  If I click the image, and it takes me to the Image: page, it is STILL transparent.   02:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I am having exactly the same problem as is stated above by Lessthan 1337 02:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC). This is on a system with Win XP and IE6. Any help would be appreciated. --Cuznvini 23:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Some questions: Is this only on the main page? Is this only .png images? do you have javascript enabled or disabled on IE?  Please can you give a link to an image that is affected.  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I can see, all PNG images using transparent colors disappear immediately after the page finishes loading. Specific examples include the WoWWiki logo, Blinky the Beholder, and the "Wiki Spotlight" icon, regardless of what spotlight is displayed.  The images both look fine and remain on the page in Opera, but in Internet Explorer 6.0 (and presumably below), the images disappear after the page finishes loading and the image for Blinky is not transparent at all. (In fact, before it disappears, it comes up as Blinky on a light grey-colored background.)  ~ <font color="#00BF00">Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 13:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I can see the problem on IE6. I tried to disable javascript, but still saw the problem (possibly I didn't get all controls for that, I'm not familiar with IE). Kirkburn, maybe you could comment out the section of js relating to image transparencies and see if that's the problem? From what I see this is affecting all png files on all pages. -- sannse (talk) 11:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know if this has anything to do with this problem, but every page on WoWWiki that I display has a error message in IE6:
 * Line: 52
 * Char: 1
 * Error: 'wgBreakFrames' is undefined
 * Code: 0
 * Cuznvini 05:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That's to do with the upgrade, and should go away once monobook is up to date. It took me far longer than it should have, but it's definitely the fix on transparencies in the local js file.  I've removed this from common.js now, thinking it's better to see ugly backgrounds rather than no image at all!  But one of the admins here can revert me if you feel different of course :) -- sannse (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've got good news and I've got bad news...
 * The Good News: The graphics aren't hiding on me anymore!
 * The Bad News: Blinky still doesn't have a transparent background in Internet Explorer 6. XD
 * Just figured you might wanna know! :3 ~ <font color="#00BF00">Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 11:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm afraid I don't know how to fix that, or even if it's possible to do so smoothly... I just removed the fix that didn't work :-/ I hate to give this as advice, but can you upgrade or switch browser?  IE6 just isn't designed to see transparencies in .png -- sannse (talk) 07:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey guys, me again. All .pngs work for me now and I didn't do anything.  Thanks for your help and good luck to all others who still have problems.   23:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To Sannse -- I'm gonna put this as politely as I can. *inhale noise*  ...no.  But transparent PNGs really aren't my thing anyway, so don't worry too much about it.  I sure won't if I ever actually have something to upload in PNG format that has a solid background! (Yes, I have a program that can make it transparent.  Don't worry.)  ;3  ~ <font color="#00BF00">Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 23:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, this kind of explains the stuff I'd been seeing. Like on the Rare Pet page, all the pictures have a white border around them in IE6. Work fine in Firefox, haven't tried any other browsers. This is a work computer, so I can't change browsers on it. Blinky and Deathwing both have blank white backgrounds around them on the main page. 'Change browsers' really isn't a good answer to the problem, as IE6 is still the standard (as much as I hate it...) --Azaram 05:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Azaram, Blink shouldn't be having that issue, but Deathwing was actually uploaded with a white background (It's out of MG, I believe). --Sky (t · c · w) 05:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Playxpert
The following is an article taken from the Main Page:

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 * border=1px #999 outset
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PLAYXPERT is a next-generation in-game community management toolset developed for PC-based and MMO games. Built around a completely unique in-game overlay technology, PLAYXPERT brings the tools that gamers use into the games they play.

In conjunction with Wikia, PLAYXPERT is proud to announce the WoWWiki Widget - an in-game widget allowing users to access, read, and contribute to the most popular wiki about World of Warcraft. Users can search, read, and submit new content into WoWWiki without leaving the game.
 * Screenshots - Image:Playxpert1.jpg and Image:Playxpert2.jpg
 * WoWWiki Widget overview -

Visit PLAYXPERT.com for more details!

Related news stories - profy - Mashable - GamesIndustry.biz

From some background - PLAYXPERT recently approached Wikia with news of their overlay technology to allow people to browse WoWWiki whilst staying in-game. We think it's cool, and want to let you know about it. PLAYXPERT are also planning on creating similar widgets for other Wikia wikis, but you can test out the beta client and WoWWiki widget right now by signing up on their site! (edit: Windows only, it seems) 20:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's the best thing ever! I an installing this bugger right now!  ...or as soon as I get it, anyways.  XD  I mean, alt-tabbing out wasn't that much of a hassle, but having it right there in-game is just fabulous, considering I've yet to find a "Notepad" AddOn for World of Warcraft.  ~ <font color="#00BF00">Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 21:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There used to be one called, oddly enough, 'Notepad', but it was munged in one of the patches quite a while ago. Haven't seen a good one in quite a while. One problem with this, which is a Wowwiki problem rather than a problem with Playxpert, is that a lot of the coordinates and things have either been taken out or have never been put in many of the quests that one may want to look up, leaving basically just the quest text as already listed in the game. For the last couple of weeks, all the quests I've wanted to look up, to get useful information I've had to go to Wowhead. --Azaram 10:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this a widget (a mini-app on Mac OS X) or a gadget (a mini-app on Windows Vista)? It looks like a gadget (no mention of Mac, at least). From the download of the Beta, this appears to be a Windows-only solution. I couldn't find any system requirements on their site. Please list if such things are Windows-only please. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 5:02 PM PDT 17 Aug 2007


 * My apologies, I haven't been able to test it out myself yet - I'm on Linux atm :D ... as for being called a widget, I think that's just a general term being used for this program. In other news, another article mentioning this here -  00:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Going to look through the other guides but having bad luck with this so far. Basically it just lagged my machine to a near standstill. -- 00:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this available also to Windows XP or just Vista? I guess you have to register with them to use their product. I probably will sometime soon, if it works with XP. Schmidt 00:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

New boilerplate: pet ability
I was looking at warlock pet abilities (of course), and noticed the horrid lack of a standard format. I searched, and to my dismay, found no boilerplate! *gasp* So, what should a warlock do, but create her own?

Check out User:DuTempete/sandbox2, and please make any comments or suggestions you would like. I ripped the infobox template from ALiEN's Template:Infobox ability, and almost all of the content from Help:Ability articles, then adjusted for pet specific content. --<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete  talk  |  contr  05:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This would be awesome. For both hunter as well as warlock pets, I assume? In the infobox, as far as I know, all warlock pet abilities use mana, and hunter pet abilities use focus. Maybe also a place to indicate whether it's an active or passive ability. (Not sure if any minion abilities are passive, but many hunter pets' are.) -- Harveydrone ( talk | work ) 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * How about I just add "Passive" as an option for cooldown? Or do any of the Hunter pets' passive abilities have cooldowns? --<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete   talk  |  contr  01:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I've completed a few warlock pet articles with this format. Check out Blood Pact, or Consume Shadows for examples. --<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete  talk  |  contr  01:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

New to Making Wikis
I am new to making Wikis. I tried to read all the advice they give, but a lot doesn't make sense to someone who is new, imo. Can someone help me make Fanfiction pages? -- Daenen 01:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * To start your own fanfiction, type http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Daenen/(some name) into your browser, hit the edit button, and you're off!. Anything else you'd like to know? --Sky (t · c · w) 01:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, how do I do things like paragraphs, pictures, lines, titles, etc.
 * Paragraphs: just hit a double enter, like the forums. Pictures require that you upload the picture and then use the format (imagename).(filetype) . Lines? Titles are easy. Just use == (heading name) == for one, and then for sub sections use three equals or more. for another new section, use 2 equals on each side again. Anything else? --Sky (t · c · w) 01:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures?
 * Click the link silly. --Sky (t · c · w) 01:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you make a link?
 * Use (linked item) . And please, sign your posts with '~' please. --Sky (t · c · w) 01:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Its a bit confusing. I will try, and come back --((User:Daenen)) How do I do the little mini screen on the right side that says name, race, gender, picture, etc? --Daenen
 * Try copy and pasting, and then changing the ones you want changed. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 01:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you Bold/Underline and do I have to mark something as fanfiction, and how? -- Daenen
 * If you want to mark as fanfic (which you have to, indeed), place at the top of your page. Bolding requires either using  and , or putting ''' around the relevant items. Underlining is and  . --Sky (t · c · w) 02:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Now I am having a problem. ((http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Daenen/Daenen)). How do I fix it? Daenen 02:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)Daenen
 * I fixed it, now you need an image. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 02:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This may be bad advice but I'm gonna give it anyway. I'm new to all this stuff too.  What I have done is looked at other peoples work and then copied the code I liked.  Then from there I added or took away based on what I saw on even more people's pages.  From there I had figured out enough to change them in ways that were my own (not that no one else has done it, just that I didn't see it before I did it).  I think as long as you aren't stealing other people's content and merely formatting you are ok.  Also I have found its best to search for the guides as to naming pages and categorizing pages before you make them.  This will help you avoid needing to rename or delete pages. -- 07:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Looking at existing stuff is VERY GOOD ADVICE. The fastest way I've found to leran how to do things is look at something that already works.  Also, you're asking very basic editing questions here... try reading that Editing help link right net the submit buttons when you edit.   09:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Category:Fan fiction holds the kind of articles you would want to be looking at, and what you seem to want to do. There's lots of it, so have fun!  --<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete   talk  |  contr  11:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Are tables of Content Automatic?


 * Yes, the ToCs are automatic, and will show when you have 3 or more sub-headings. Ways to manipulate the ToC are found at Help:Editing. --<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete   talk  |  contr  14:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this Daenen page for a Warcraft RPG character? I wonder if we should make a template for RPG player characters (maybe PCRPG or something), like PC for WoW player characters? -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 12 PM PDT 24 Aug 2007

Am I squatting?
I was reading up on Wikisquatting and I honestly want to make sure what I am doing with my character page doesn't qualify. I am leaning towards no but I want to make sure before I go further, I don't want to waste my time. So, here is my main character page Mucke, please have a look and tell me what you think, either here or on the discussion page is fine by me. -- 22:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The idea of this page is so people don't have to go to individual users to ask things :) 18:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikisquatting means hijacking a wiki (or part of it) for another purpose. While the average WoWWikian may not have much interest in your character over anyone else's, it is neither of no use nor is it unrelated to WoW.  You even follow the character article policy almost to the letter.  I would caution you, though, that having your character in a public namespace rather than under your user page implicitly invites others to contribute.  (As I've just done, so that it does follow policy to the letter.  [[File:Smiley.gif]])   18:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses, and the help in making my page more up-to-code. I've been having a lot of fun playing with the Wiki and wanted to make sure I hadn't gone too far. Well, I'll keep playing and if you ever notice anything questionable just holler at me or fix it or whatever. -- 06:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I need HELP
Can anybody tell me what i do if i forgot my password ?do i make another account ?(like this one)or contact someone to say my account name and e-mail?pls help me (Andy91 23:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC))


 * You should be able to email yourself the password via the button on the login screen (it will be sent to whichever email account you chose for the old account). 00:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Character pages
can someone help me make a page for my char, i read the page on how to create one but i dont understand what adress bar to put the imformation in -- Dunnsworth 06:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete
PLEASE people, give reasons why you are marking an article as speedydelete. Some are vague and seem to be only personal opinion as to why they are being deleted and not by policy or by obvious article error. -- 15:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, please don't wipe articles when adding delete tags! 21:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Corrupted Blood Article
Moved from Wowpedia talk:Main Page Dev.

I'm a little curious, in regards to the link about the Corrupted Blood epidemic story from the BBC - it happened almost two years ago, why did it take this long for the BBC to pick up this story? For that matter, why does this story look like a re-hash of what other articles have said since they fixed it? (Funny enough, I got the game about two weeks before the epidemic started...) This is not new news (well, it might be to anyone who got WoW after September-October of 2005, but still...) --Joshmaul 04:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you visit Corrupted_Blood, you will notice there are 2 stories from the BBC. The first was written 2 years ago around the time of the event, whereas the second (the one you appear to be referring to) was written recently. So, the BBC did not take long, you just only read the recent article which appears to talk about how Corrupted Blood may give clues to modeling the spread of diseases via simulation.
 * The real question is why any serious medical researcher would use the Corrupted Blood phenomenon as any kind of guide for disease spread modeling. I was there and people were intentionally trying to spread the disease just to see people die. While one's view of humanity may be dim, I doubt that kind of thing would happen in the RL.-- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 5:50 PM PDT 23 Aug 2007
 * There's another article floating out there in the tubes about the mentalities, and how that is exactly what the model would represent. Some would choose to try and aid, some would flee the death zone, and some would spread it, among others. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The only way WoW could be used to model the realistic spread of disease is if the death cost was much higher, not just a corpse run and 10% durability. -- 22:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC) <-- anyone know why my sig does this on indents?

wiki template q
I'd like to have the paremeters "red=1", "yellow=2" result in showing 1 or 2 sockets of that color.. i could make a red1, red2, red3 parameter but that seems an ugly way of doing it. Surely it'd be possible to have a template show 1, 2 or 3 sockets with 1 statement? discussed at Talk:BC caster DPS cloth 08:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * BC_Priest_DPS_Equipment/Row
 * Easier if a LoopFunctions extension were installed, you'd have to hard code it for right now. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 16:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Feared as much. Isn't it possible to do a if/else though?
 * e.g. if red=1 display a red socket. else if red=2 display 2 red sockets. else if red=3 display 3 red sockets.
 * And the same for the other colors. 06:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't a work for these purposes? --Sky (t · c · w) 06:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Shalll need to experiment with that . 14:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems to work nicely 09:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Agitated ancestors of Nagrand
I had created a quest chain, a page titled "The Agitated Ancestors of Nagrand". This chain illustrated the quest chain currently described at Quest:A_Visit_With_the_Greatmother/Quest_chain. So far, I have found no sign that the page ever existed - nothing in the deletion or move logs, no sign of the page in my contribution history, nothing except some comments about it, and links in the histories of the relevant quest chains. "links to pages" doesn't show the page either.

I would like to know what has become of that page, in that I did spend a nontrivial amount of time creating it. Has it gone to tumbolia? Was it deleted with cause? without cause? I would appreciate the warning in case other such pages disappear similarly. And yes, I have noted the change of pages from Quest Chain:xxx to xxx quest chain. No worries there. -- Eirik Ratcatcher 23:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wierd! I just had a look at google; it completely disappeared. (link from Mag'har, but that's a cached history, I think). What's the exact link; an admin can have a look at the deletion. --Sky (t · c · w) 23:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Erm... I recall fixing a dead link involving that chain on the Mag'har page... Is this my fault again? I did the same edit on the mag'har page at the same time. -- 00:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you found the link dead, it couldn't have been your fault the page went away. But yeah, the history has the correct page name for when I added the page.  (Were I to rename the page, my choices would have been "The Agitated Ancestors of Nagrand quest chain" or "Hero of the Mag'har quest chain", and I checked both of those, no hits. --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "The Agitated Ancestors of Nagrand" page was deleted on Aug 19 (deletion log). I removed a few dead links to it from Garadar, Mag'har, Nagrand Forge Camp quest chain, and Talk:Nagrand Forge Camp quest chain. - 21:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I had it restored, and then I moved it to Hero of the Mag'har quest chain. Eirik, if you would be so kind as to switch the pages that link to Quest:A_Visit_With_the_Greatmother/Quest_chain to the other, and then tag the Quest:subpage with a speedydelete, that would be appreciated. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 22:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. I looked in the deletion log and must have missed it. --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hyjal and the Demon Hunters
In the demon hunter atricle it says human demon hunters have been spotted along with 1 NE Demon Hunter "guarding" Mt. Hyjal. Does anyone have a screenshot of these human Demon Hunters, because Im too low to go to Hyjal to see them. Mr.X8 00:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It is only in the extra RPG text, not in-game.-- 00:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

High Elves
Would we be able to add all the great Alliance High Elves like Anasterian and Alleria onto the table at the bottom of most pages. The one that lists the Horde and Alliance races, along with the heroes and races of variuos factions. Mr.X8 00:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What?-- 00:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The table with heroes looks like almost like this:

Factions


 * Spam aside, that is for factions, not people. Do you mean make a new table? We have one for heroes (if not an outdated one).-- 00:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's what Im trying to say. I think all the Alliance High Elves should be added to the heroes table. Mr.X8

This?-- 00:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

War3mainchars

Yes, but is there a way to add Valleria, Anasterian, Vereesa, and what other famous High Elves on the Alliance? Mr.X8 00:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It is transcludeable, that means you edit it on another page and add it with { s. The true page is Template:War3mainchars. Edit it if you want. If you mess up the codeing my hide (And yours too) will be the new background. Also, editing this template will make it change on evey page it appears on filling the job-Q and that means lag.-- 00:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Right, Ill let an administrator or someone who knows what they're doing edit it. Mr.X8 00:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Grr. You will let an administrator or someone who knows what they're doing edit it? Like I can't? >:( -- 00:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I never said you couldn't. In fact you're here and you know what you're doing, so... Mr.X8 00:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Equipment
I've encountered a bunch of "equipment" pages, BC_Priest_DPS_Equipment, BC healing equipment (cloth), Healing_equipment, BC_Hunter_Equipment, BC tanking equipment (druid), BC tanking equipment (paladin), Damage shield, Defense equipment, Resistance equipment, Rogue equipment, and undoubtly a bunch more. Most of them are added into Category:Equipment. But that's not very "browse friendly".

Most pages look completely different from each other, use different templates or simply none at all. Some are pretty hard to find.

Initially i figured BC_Priest_DPS_Equipment could be improved with templates and then moved to BC_Cloth_DPS_Equipment or such, but why stop there?

Now, my idea is that we could probably rebuild this from the root up, and begin filling from there from a base template. In the end it'd be better organised, easier to find, and contain more information, easy to access. the usual wiki stuff.

Problem being, it's a huge undertaking. I'm sure there would be a person or 2 saying "its a wiki - go and start and if we dont like it we'll just revert it". This project is sort of relevant to a "lot" of pages, and i for one don't think simply starting on this is the way to go. Perhaps it's best to stuff this into Talk:Equipment and have a more focused discussion about this.

the way it could be done
09:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Something like that either way. And ofcourse the bottom question, once the templates are set up, how much could a bot fill into the tables? 08:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * In my pokings at the hunter one, I'm finding it's a bitch to get all the stats in. If I could just put in the basic item list, and a bot come along and fill in all the stats and the source, I'd be ever so happy.  That would make it super easy to maintain a list (we just add the items, the bot auto-fills each on a daily or whatever basis), and the style could be kept consistant across them all.
 * *edit* Also, I really don't like the subpage design here, it looks ugly. A nice consistant naming pattern "BC equipment" or maybe "<Whatever>  equipment guide" would be better.  I like to look at the pages as a guide to the equipment progression, and we have to take into account that come Wrath all new pages will be made.  09:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hierarchical inside the pages they'd still need splitting according to such a manner though, regardless of the actual page name. agree? 11:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to add that some casters prefer spelldamage over crit, and others prefer crit, based on class. Perhaps there should be two separate pages for spell damage and spell crit. Perhaps a similar situation with melee, including hit rating, crit rating, and attack power. Even if you don't have separate pages, separate tables would be helpful. Probably, though, all defense gear would go on one page, but again have separate tables for straight defense, parry, block rating, block value, and dodge. Just a few thoughts, in case some of you hadn't considered the differences. Schmidt 18:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * See now, that's where I think everything "desirable" should just be grouped up by iLevel, list out all the relevant stats, and let the player pick. It's hard enough maintaining one page... but double the tables?  Screw that.   19:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't remember where I saw it in Wikipedia, but they had a table (Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients is one such) that would allow sorting based on which header you chose. Perhaps we can do the same here, with obvious results. But yeah, it seems to boil down to searching wowhead.com in such a mannner: spell damage > 120 and spell hit rating > 0 for pally. Then again, the resultant table doesn't allow sorting by the various stats. (Obviously the example leaves only a small number of items, easily compared, but other searches would yield more daunting results such as a search with the same criteria but for mage. Schmidt 20:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Depends what a bot can do really. i'm not too knowledgeable about that bit. i'd say we should be able to select a main stat to sort the tables by.. but it'd have to be a highlyl specialized bot. you can add dmg, crit, hit into the table np. but there'll always be a single stat to sort by.  09:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks very interesting "class="wikitable sortable", doesn't immediately work out of the box it seems, but its got potential.
 * edit: probably doesnt work with template rows, rather than actual fixed tables. Going to be messy to implement extensive tables then. 07:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

BC Cloth DPS Equipment. First table converted, and 1 on talkpage. looks quite nice imo, compared to the older version :) 13:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Updated example for bigger project template 09:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna tweak your template a bit. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Which one? 09:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Warhammer Beta Giveaway for WowWiki editors
Wikia has gotten access to 10 Warhammer Online Beta Keys,so to give them away we've decided to do an edit challenge. The challenge starts today and ends September 4th, 2007. Go Here to get more details and sign up!

-- angies 18:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Boo hiiss, etc.. no europeans as usual. 11:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't exactly disagree with you there ... maybe when they launch in the EU we'll get more love from EAMythic :) 11:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Is the 50 edit thing for edits just on the Warhammer wiki or do edits on wowwiki count? - 16:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Darktable
As you may have noticed I have been spending an inordinate amount of time converting over templates and tables to darktable for two reasons: However, I have limited time and there's one area that is reasonably simple to fix that needs work - zone and instance pages. They all need to be converted to the Azuremyst Isle design - specifically the tables. Any help is appeciated, and please point out any other areas that need work! 08:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Consistency and ease of use (see Category:Navigation templates for examples)
 * 2) Skin switching (I am currently browsing the site on monobook)


 * I will help out. The boilerplate you're using looks good. -- Fandyllic (talk &middot; contr) 7:51 AM PDT 28 Aug 2007


 * Do we really need a section for "Characteristics"... it seems like a table header would be fine, that info is appropriate for an opening section.  05:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I and Jiyambi were working on Teldrassil prior to my short break. As Tekkub said, Characteristics is "eh". We thought maybe an infobox zone to replace the characteristics box wouldn't be a bad idea, to fill up the whitespace on the right hand side. Just a thought, however. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I approve 21:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Atm all I'm doing is going through fixing the tables (i.e. removing all hardcoded formatting) and removing tocright (yes, it needs to be removed from a LOT of pages) ... if people want get a good template for other design points, don't wait for me :) 06:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wait, what's wrong with ? --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Inconsistent design, and can mess with the page design. Since most articles have infoboxes now, it is especially silly. 10:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * template:tocright was intended for rather rare usage, but just common enough to warrant a template rather than coding it that way on several different pages. It does have an ill effect on page layout, too, in too many cases. Schmidt 13:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Personally, I _HATE_ the TOCs. I force a bit of CSS in on my end that completely hides them.  I find the need for one EXTREMELY rare.  I would be happy if we could throw em into a on-hover thing really.  Some smatt text in the top right, "TOC" or "Table of Contents", that shows up when hovered over would kick ass.  The whole problem is their usefullnes is limited, and they take up so god damn much space!   02:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

External images
Hi All, Wikia are changing the way we deal with external images. They will be off by default, meaning an image from another site can't be embedded in pages here. We will make exceptions for agreed sites, such as those that have given specific permission for linking in this way. Images from other wikis hosted by Wikia will also be allowed. If you think there are images on this wiki that will be affected, then we can give you a list of pages to clear up. I think everyone uploads here anyway, and uploaded images are unaffected.

Please see Wikia:Help:Externally hosted images for more info on this, and more on why we feel external images need to be restricted in this way. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds ok, most images are uploaded here for displaying anyway. 15:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There are a few here that aren't uploaded, off the top of my head of which is Sentinel spell. --Sky (t · c · w) 16:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I replaced it with Image:Spell_Nature_Sentinal.png. - 16:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Is Sentinal the right spelling? =/ Is it important enough to move it? Schmidt 13:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That's how Blizzard named/misspelled it. If you go look at the icons for the Moonglow spell on Thottbot and Alla, the icon is misspelled the same way. - 15:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's surprising how many of the icon names have poor spelling, sometimes really poor... but then, no-one's ever supposed to see them, so I guess they don't receive a lot of QA. ^.^   16:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And yet they give us (mainly addon devs) a tool to extract the art... yea *noone* outside Blizzy is supposed to see those names :P  05:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There's also mispelled things actually in the game, like the Viscous Hammer (presumably 'vicious', since there's no real reason for a hammer to be a thick liquid) and the Torquoise Brooch of Mumble. ( http://thottbot.com/i25065 ) Someone needs to run the game through a speelchucker...--Azaram 05:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thought Bubble Icon
I seem to recall the thought bubble icon was available. In-game, this is used as a prompt for a chain of dialog. For instance, when some NPC wants to "tell you his story". I can't seem to find, it, though. Was I hallucinating? -- Eirik Ratcatcher 17:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This? [[File:GossipGossipIcon.png]] -- 18:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ...no, that's speech bubble. :P --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ....doesn't mean it isn't what he might be talking about. -- 18:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Pretty close, at least. Thinking of for pages like The_Tale_of_Neltharaku. --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Auto-categorizing subzones
Hey, I was hoping I could get a few people to help out with some work I've recently started on. I've been putting

 

into the subzone navigation templates, to automatically categorize the subzone correctly. However, the subzones then need to be gone through manually and have the old categories (the Category:Zone:Zone Name and Category:Subzones) removed. I've already done Category:Hillsbrad Foothills subzones and Category:Tirisfal Glades subzones, but there are plenty of other zones to be done. If you're looking for something to do, that'd be helpful. -- Mikaka 04:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I had a thought: insert Category:Zone:x and Category:Continent:y into the "then" statement, then we can get rid of those on the main zone page. Or, I think, just Category:x and Category:y, as the old method is just that; old. --Sky (t · c · w) 21:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Server ?
Whats up with the server, its Slowwwwwww as heck, and giving error cant open page errors.. a lot "Safari can’t open the page “http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Wowpedia talk:Village_pump&action=submit” because it could not connect to the server “www.wowwiki.com”." 08:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems fine again now. 09:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

PC Gamer UK and the inability to spell
So, I'm sitting here with my latest PCG (a better magazine than the US version) and the image accompanying the article on WotLK is a disgrace: Notice a theme? They misread every u as an a and here's why: Image:Northrend.JPG. Next time they should get someone who plays WoW to do the work... (and suggest they look around the rest of the wiki whilst copying from it ;) 13:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a rip of the RPG map. So, wrong (e.g. Crystalsong Forest).
 * Zal'Drak
 * Aziol-Nerab
 * Gandrak
 * Uldaar


 * Oh, and it gets better. They accompany a caption about Lake Wintergrasp with ... Daggercap Bay. Furbolg info with ... Warsong Hold. Dragonblight info with ... the Howling Fjord. 'Insane' 'Tuskar' info with ... a random shot of broken stuff on the Borean Tundra coast. Also "between the sides of the canyon hover dozens of burning airships; the intention being that when strapped together they'll form the basis of an instanced dungeon" ... never heard that before. 13:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And you mock us. Hah! Schmidt 13:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Vanilla, BC, TBC, WLK, WOTLK.. etc
ok, What is a known / well used short for pre-tbc wow however?
 * BC is generally accepted as a short form for the burning crusade. TBC is a known alternative but not used much.
 * WK, WLK, WOTLK, are options for the wrath of the lich king. WK or WLK being the more functional ones.

And, is there any point, other than for old time's sake in keeping pre-tbc specific articles ( such as healing gear or resistance gear which is obviously far inferior to tbc items) related to that time period in the wiki, if they don't serve any clear common use. ? 14:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Wrath" also. As for pre-TBC, it was generally agreed upon just to go with "WoW Classic", or some variant. And no, if the gear pages haven't been updated, then ask for a delete or update them. --Sky (t · c · w) 21:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * WC - Wow Classic then. and i've added the "ood" (out of date) tag to some of them quite some time ago.  06:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * WC could be awkward, perhaps meaning Warcraft to some; specifically Warcraft I, but also others. I can't suggest a better term atm other than simply Classic. Maybe someone else could. Just a thought. Schmidt 23:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It does mean Warcraft. heh. --Sky (t · c · w) 19:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

village pump forums an option?
Would it in some way be possible to set up a wikiforum instead of using a single page for the village/warcraft pump?

These 2 pages flood so fast, it's hard to track any ongoing discussions, or who is replying to who. etc. a forum might be nice, if we dont have one already 14:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That idea is being worked on in WP:SR. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 14:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * kinky. how far are we on javascript popups for floating item tooltips?  15:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Done, as far as I'm concerned. See the bottom of  and let me know if you have any problems. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 17:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Would be nice to see that incorporated into Template:Loot for loot popups.. may be difficult though. 10:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Test Teamspeak online
I have made a TeamSpeak server that i invite you all to (ab)use : [teamspeak://ts.wowwiki.bxd.dk:8769] - Any TS bashers and VT fanbois begone, it is this or nothing at all ;). Should the test be successful (meaning my bandwidth can handle y'all) it will stay online, and i might increse the sound quality (Currently using the GSM 16.4 Kbit codec) 08:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And yes it works, come on in and talk with us  12:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

resist gear
Started overhaul on Resistance_equipment. 08:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture captions
Do we have a policy on the comments under pictures? Most of them just label what they are of. Some like the one on the Scarlet crusade page have flavor text. What is the standing? I do not want to make this like the *shudder* Transformers wiki.-- 01:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh... we don't have a policy. I'd say describe what's in the picture. If that's only one word, then go ahead and add some flavor text, I think. My . --Sky (t · c · w) 05:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Character Pages: Server vs User?
I'm a bit confused on the PC page policy. Should a player's character page be under Server:Servername/Character or User:Username/Character? Or is either acceptable?

-- Dorvelle 19:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll edit it. It should read probably something like: "Characters which are actually owned by a specific editor should be under "User:name/char" while characters which are only maintained by a certain editor should be at "Server:name/char". --Sky (t · c · w) 19:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, if a user has an article about a specific user that he wishes to allow other people to edit, it can be under the server, per WP:PA and WP:PC, but at no point should a PC article be in the main namespace. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 19:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Characters are under Server:, other personal articles are under User:, see Category:Scarlet Crusade US Characters for a good example. PC was separated from PA and ratified some time ago. -- 18:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Images and copyright
Well I have to say that for a website which makes such heavy use of fair use, I was a bit surprised to see such a widespread lack of attribution and misunderstanding of fair use laws. I just realised this at Image:Transmute-Rotation Print.png where someone thinks they can copyright Blizzard images, LOL!

A quick flick through images on WoWWiki shows that in most cases attribution is not given. According to Wowpedia:Copyright policy the source of material must be acknowledged. Considering that the vast majority of these images are from Blizzard Entertainment I figured it wouldn't be that hard to make a tag for it. Even Blizzard's policy on allowing this requires a copyright notice to be included. So I made one.. feel free to sexy it up (and I apologise if one of these has already been created - I was unable to find one). Attribution is incredibly important, not just legally, but for moral reasons and keeping within the spirit of a wiki. It took me a while to find the Fair Use policy here! I think these things should be more promininent. The template (found at Template:C-blizz) Eltressa 06:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * At the bottom of every page is a link toWowpedia:General disclaimer, which states this already. With this, there really is no reason (to me) to tag every single image page with this template. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That's not really good enough considering that a significant amount of images here aren't by Blizzard. It's no good to just say "all the ones that are from Blizzard, if you can figure out which are which, are from Blizzard". Eltressa 06:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can figure out which isn't usually that hard, based primarily on where they link to. Obviously, every single icon is Blizzards, so that doesn't really matter. There are a few rpg images floating around which aren't tagged with RPG, so that probably needs fixing. Let's see here... every screenshot produced is theirs by right. That should just about cover it, I think. --Sky (t · c · w) 07:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Quest: Stave of the Ancients.
The section "Quest: Stave of the Ancients" needs editting. Even though it's a level 60 quest, it still says "XP gained: 0" Can we fix this? -- Luffy 19:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed it according to Allakhazam -- 02:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "We"? You can edit pages too!   04:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Lies, all lies 06:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Quiet you. Not like you do any of that. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Battle/War Template help
Hi! I was wondering if some kind person could knock me up a three-way battle and war infobox template. The basic code is here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Battle. I *think* I could do it on my own but I'm new to wiki-ing and I'm pretty sure I'd cock it up repeatedly. Cheers! Also, I don't know why, but at the moment on the battle template "casualties" is coming up as "combatants". Not sure what to make of it. Coming Second 20:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My bad. I have issues copying and pasting. I'll throw together a three-way battle box. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm going to tweak battle. Be done soonish. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Coming Second 12:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Signature
Okay, I did not get what the WoWWiki signatures said to do to customize mine. Is there "an idiots guide to customizing a WoWWiki signature" or something? Mr.X8 00:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, but a good question. The best advice I gave on that I gave to Airiph.-- 00:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I dont have a signature thing on my preferences and I still don't get it, sorry Mr.X8 00:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Important info me and Pcj said:
 * You make them. Search for 'sig' on the site and hit edit to see what code does what. DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S SIGS THOUGH! :)--SWM2448 19:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Your preferences should have a box about Signatures right under your Email. Look closer.-- 00:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Check out the "Signature" field in your preferences...if you check the Raw Signature box you can put something like in there... save that and put something on that page to see how it works (or look at others). --Pcj (T•C) 19:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Right I clicked raw signature, what else do I do? Mr.X8 01:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

And do you mean Template:Sig? Mr.X8 01:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Errgggggg, I'll never be able to do it!!!! Mr.X8 01:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to make one for you! Check out the two I made in my sandbox: User:DuTempete/sandbox Hop into IRC any time, and I'll chat with you about it.--<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete  talk  |  contr  01:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Dude, thank you so much! When would be a good time for you? Mr.X8 01:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm... I on pretty much all the time, when I'm not in class. Thu-Sun, all day. --<span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete   talk  |  contr  02:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Little word of advice, don't go overboard with fancy picture signatures (they probably should just be for wowwiki staff only), and try to keep the size down, I've been persuaded against being able to use mine too much, since it screws the spacing in talk pages...Baggins 04:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Plenty options available, just don't copy it all into the actual page like mr dutempte up here..
 * its ugly and messy while editing 05:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ms. DuTempete will kick your ass for that :P Meanwhile, yeah, er, try not to copy mine ... people love doing that around here >_> 13:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Dang, Baggins, that stinks about your sig. I really liked that one!  I'll chat with you later, about something new.
 * Cj, on the sig that pastes itself in, rather than using a template, well, I'm not changing it for just you one or two people who don't like thinking a teeny bit harder when you look at the edit window. There's a very good reason I don't use the template format.  But, in the end, it's about how long the sig is, and what the person who uses the sig wants.  It's not up to the peanut gallery, Ms. Cj.
 * <span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete  talk  |  contr  14:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There are simple ways to template the sig and not have it impact the server (it's not that big of an impact as it was when the sig guide was written) when you want to change it. /Sig1 /Sig2 /Sig3 /SigEtc... You can add my vote to the peanut gallery. -- 14:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if you guys are serious about that, then have the suggestion removed from the help page. If it isn't supported by the wiki bureaucracy, then I'll change it.
 * <span style="font-size: 0.85em; font-family: arial, 'comic sans'; padding: .2em .3em; border: 1px #504c50 solid;background-color: #000000"> DuTempete  talk  |  contr  15:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Well actually, I was thinking of one like Apollo's, except the font a little smaller just regular type like DuTempete has, in red, have a HE icon instead of a BE icon, and the little thing that says (zeus) in the top right corner, I don't need Mr.X8 20:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

And what happeed to my name, last time there was a link to my userpage, now its just like regular non linked font Mr.X8 20:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You turned on raw signatures, which is part of how we make custom sigs. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 22:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, you're right Mr.X8 03:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)