User talk:Laurly/Archive02

npcbox
not sure if you've noticed, but this edit here should indicate what's wrong. --Sky (t · c · w) 08:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * um oops agro <> aggro thanks sky Laurly 11:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

also
Let me direct your attention to Namespaces. I suspect your bot is capable of handling that which I would request of it, so I'm asking you if you're willing to help. --Sky (t · c · w) 08:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

WWBot
How about having only one bot up on IRC? Set up a SVN for it and share code beetween foxbot, kasobot, laurlybot and grab some ideas from newsbot (!jobqueue for one). Yes/No ? -- 06:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Laurlybot is almost never on IRC i only bring her on if i want to submit a bunch of pages rather then let her find pages on her own. She checks stubs and wanted pages and processes them.  As far as sharing code i don't think that will work as laurlybot is VB6 and i think the others are lua something. Although i would love to see how foxlit is paraphrasing item template but being its lua im not sure how much of it i would understand. IIR foxbot was originally kasobot and foxlit improved the code. Also from what i understand foxbot has taken over most of kasobots work already.  Laurlybot can submit item requests to foxbot when its online but like i said shes rarely on line.  Think of laurlybot more as an application then a script because as its VB6 it is more like an application. (i tend to go over board when im coding) When i run the program i can tell it what to do via the application. Laurly 08:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Quest:Doling Justice (2)
This quest was auto-generated with an incorrect category. But for the life of me, I cannot figure out how your bot might have gotten THAT category... --Eirik Ratcatcher 22:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noting the bug. I'm going though the hole quest generation thing today stamp out this and a few other bugs that ppl have found.  Laurly 08:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Bot action against Quest:Diplomatic Measures
You bot removed the text from this quest and redirected only to the horde version even though the page was for the alliance version. Please be aware of this issue. --Tetsuo86 15:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If there is more then one quest per quest name she creates a disambig page for that name and then creates the different quests after:
 * Quest:Diplomatic Measures (Horde)
 * Quest:Diplomatic Measures (Alliance)
 * I had to go create the Alliance one from the history of the disambig page. That was all I was saying. The page was overwritten and I didn't see that it got recreated at all.
 * Not sure who posted this you didn't sign your comment. The bot normally will crawl the pages and add any missing quests but we where testing it last night its possible that i restarted the bot and the quest got lost.  I need to start queing to the database so that requests don't get lost with a reboot.  I have her processing that quest chain now. Laurly 12:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll add a complaint of abuse to Quest:What Are These Things?. The page worked perfectly well to handle both alliance and horde versions of the quest prior to the bot passing. The disambig page was entierly unnecessary. --Eirik Ratcatcher 21:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The bot only does what its told to do that quest chain was submitted the bot ran it. The bot has generated more then 1000 quest pages in the last week. If you feel that strongly about that one quest looking like that i encourage you to revert the change by the bot, personally i think it would be better to have quests consistent.  But i hope you will also fix all the quest chain pages to link to that one page.  Laurly 07:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course. It's not the bot I object to; it's the overrunning of previously existing pages by whoever invokes the bot that I object to.  And the same personality quirk that makes this an important issue to me is the same one that would cause me to fix links as well.
 * But then, the same bot changes broke those same links that had been established for that chain in the preexisting page. So that's kinda a wash, isn't it?  --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * First of all, there's no reason you should have been content with only one page for both quests. No one should have to sort through an article just to find one quest among others.  Second of all, if the person who flagged the article for Laurlybot did not save the unique information, that being things like tips and bugs and patches, then you need to have a word with the person who tagged it, not Laurly.  And even if they didn't, you can always look at a previous version of the article for copy/paste.  Laurlybot is here to make our lives easier in the long run, even though there may be some short-term issues, and I must say she has been doing a very good job of that.  -- DuTempete   talk  |  contr  21:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes the bot does over write pages. If i was to add code to prevent this a lot of basically crap pages wouldn't get recreated.  There for the bot has to assume that the person submitting the quest knows what they are doing.  If someone does make a mistake of submitting a quest like Dutempte said they can always be reverted.  I try to watch what the bot is doing from time to time but as it processes 4 - 7 pages a minute (when its running) its hard to watch them all.  Currently we are relying on the people that submit the quest to check and make sure everything is ok.  I do have a few checks in the bot if it cant find exp or start or end npc the bot itself will flag the quest to for someone to check it manually.  But i do agree with dutempte having one page that displays two quests is a little confusing or i would have the bot create pages like that. I have been thinking about making the disambig pages a little more informative. How about a table with quest name start NPC, end NPC, zone and maybe there reward list icons? I will think on it over the weekend and see what i can figure out next week. Laurly 11:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As you may have seen, I have done some evil things with the engineering specialization quests. One (set) of them, I labeled with the zone you pick it up from.  Another, with the specialization involved.  Didn't do it to be difficult, just that it made more sense to me that way.  Just to add to your deliberations... --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think what you are doing is grate and exactly what i was hoping someone would have time to do. Laurly 07:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

spelling.
nothing major, though i noticed:
 * 13:36, 18 August 2007 ‎Quest:The Good News and The Bad News/Quest chain (hist) ‎[295 bytes] ‎Laurlybot (Talk | contribs) ((Bot: quest:8729)Page Taged by:Pcj (18:42, 17 August 2007))

.. it's called tagged, two g's. :) 11:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * fixed thanks :) Laurly 11:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

More spelling: Item pages use "This item is droped by ...". Should be dropped. Eg Witherbark Tusk. Thanks! -- Harveydrone 22:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Laurlybot + warlock disambigs = OH GOD NOES!
Laurly, check out User:DuTempete/sandbox3, and I think you'll understand. Every one of those pages in the left column were created before Laurlybot created the new ones. I doubt the same problem would exist with other types of quests (Those that aren't Warlock), since those are just very f---ed up, and it's nobody's fault. I'm going through everything and cleaning it up, so I've got that under control, but I thought you might want to take a look.

Also, I dunno if you've fixed this or not, but I noticed that the Undercity quests were getting the wrong city name in the questbox, leading to an incorrect categorization. The city name should be "The Undercity". -- DuTempete  talk  |  contr  20:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Programmaticly creating a distinct quest name was not easy. Basically what you need to remember is this is a bot by tagging the quests for processing all the bot is given is a name and it has to figure out what the quest id is from there.  A topic about this went around village pump when i first started generating quest pages with the bot back in july.  The only real option was to do the following.

If there are two quests with the same name and they each have different factions you get. Quest:Quest name (Horde) Quest:Quest name (Alliance)

If there is more then one quest name with the same faction you get Quest:Quest name (1) Quest:Quest name (2) ect..

Then the confusing part it attempts to join the two. If there is say 4 quests 1 is horde the others are alliance you get. Quest:Quest name (Horde) Quest:Quest name (Alliance) (1) Quest:Quest name (Alliance) (2) Quest:Quest name (Alliance) (3)


 * Programticly generating distinct quest names is always going to be buggy. In some cases humans will have to have the bot dump it to the sandbox and then copy it and paste it in the correct name yourself, or to let the bot generate the page with the name it wants and then just move the page yourself.  Once we are done generating the majority of the quests i will add an irc command that will let you request a quest via the quest id and supply the name you want it to use.   Until then humans are going to have to help out a bit.  Note: if the bot cant find a quest id for a tagged quest just wont generate some will have to be submitted by quest id from irc. Laurly 21:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As for the undercity one thats a bug and i will fix that tomrrow :) Laurly 21:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hehe, I wasn't telling you you did anything wrong, or that it needed to be fixed. I understand the problems the naming would cause your programming.  I was letting you know, in case there might be conditions similar to this one that maybe it's best Laurlybot doesn't create the pages.  It sounds like you have a plan for that, which is great.


 * I recall the conversation in the VP, and I even moved it to Wowpedia talk:Naming policy, but the original VP section got bumped to the archive before anyone got to see that I put it there. I just haven't remembered to repost a link since then so that we could actually finalize something the bots can adhere to. -- DuTempete   talk  |  contr  00:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

CSS Darktable and CSS Darktable th
I noticed and  were used by laurly bot on a maaassive number of pages instead of the correct class="darktable" - any way this can be fixed? 05:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Working on it. -- 17:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Laurlybot and categorizing mobs
I was hoping that you could change your bot to categorize mobs not under the zone category, but under Zone Name mobs, to conform to new categorization specifications. For example, Tirisfal Glades mobs go under Category:Tirisfal Glades mobs. Actually, there are quite a few things I'd like to change about the way Laurlybot makes mob pages (the drop tables are really, really silly, as most of the information therein is just the worl drops that happen to have dropped from the mob), but for now that's something I think will help a lot. --Mikaka 22:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * check Zone Name mobs i will fix that tomorrow.  As far as the drops page i kinda agree with you. Check this page it was an idea i had yesterday Blistering_Rot/NPCs_Drops what do you think about the part at the bottom? Then the plan is to remove all world drops from the drops table.  I will probably start mass npc page generation next week so if you have any other ideas please feel free to post them. Its easer to fix it now then after the bot has generated 1k+ pages.  Laurly 07:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't like the NPC drops stuff -at all-, primarily because it makes more transclud. pages, which are evil. Could you "comment that out" temporarily? :) --Sky (t · c · w) 07:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * i like the drops personally. My guess is you havent seen User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc/NPCs_Teaches ,User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc/NPCs_Sells, User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc/NPCs_Gather and User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc/NPCs_Quests on top of drops :) now thats a lot of transclud. pages. Note: the new gather one will have data for (Skinning,mining,herbing,and pickpocket) where they apply Laurly 07:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Flamewaker Elite/NPCs Sells
I wasn't aware Flamewaker Elites sold anything. Has this bug been fixed? --Pcj (T•C) 01:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also Great Gray Kodo/NPCs Sells, Great White Kodo/NPCs Sells, Great Brown Kodo/NPCs Sells, etc. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 01:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * both of those pages where created back in july when i first started working on the bot. The data was riped from a different source then the bot uses now the old source had questionable data. So yes it should be fixed now i will try and rerun both of those pages to be sure. Laurly 09:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Druid quests
I want to clean up these quest chains next, but here you have the bug that the database sites are cluttered with wrong info, confusing larulybot. Some are still flagged as bot requests, how long does the queue take usually? --Hurax 14:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you don't get to the druid quest chains, I might well. I've been doing it all by hand, so you are likely to get there first.--Eirik Ratcatcher 00:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have been very busy with rl stuff the last few weeks so haven't had time to run the bot.  If you guys could give me the names of the quests you want run i can kick them off via irc and have them up for you asap. Laurly 07:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * L10 quest chain finished, at least put in all notes and removed the bugs. Eirik, if you have any suggestions on how to integrate them (with the obvious parallels between Alliance and Horde), tell me or change it yourself. L14 und L16 are next on my list, again some quests where the database sites have bugs with the duplicate names. For the main page Druid quests, which imho looks rather ugly now, I'll wait till the individual pages are all qoutable. --Hurax 08:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * S'okay, Laurly. The quests in question have already been run.  Hurax, see my note on your talk page.  Basically, you can find my opinion on Power over Poison quest chain.  Which amounts to making a single 'quest chain' page that describes the chain and is placed in the various quest categories, moving the alliance and horde "xxx/quest chain" pages under (and into) it (and removing categories from those pages), and various minor changes to accommodate all of that.  Also, thanks for pointing out Druid Quests, where the link to the quest chain is also useful.  (And thanks again, Laurly, for hosting the discussion. :) )--Eirik Ratcatcher 19:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey
How are you doing? Haven't seen you in awhile. Hope everything is ok! --Pcj (T•C) 20:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * We just want your bot ... well, not just that :P We do miss you! 21:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * sorry guys i have been really busy with rl stuff the last few weeks. But i'm glad you miss me :)  Im hoping things will calm down next week.  NPC's is ready to run i think i'm just going to limit the number of drops it displays to 10 because i haven't found a really good way of figuring out whats an world drop and whats not one since armory isn't really accurate in that regard.  see you soon Laurly 09:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Elinks on Laurlybot placeholder pages?
It would be nice if the Laurlybot placeholders (User:Laurlybot/Donpc et al) had elinks blocks to search Wowhead, Allak, and TB. (Like those displayed on pages where the NPC/item/whatever ID isn't present.)   13:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 13:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Adding link to Doquests doesn't work as expected because the Quest: namespace isn't a true one. --Pcj (T&bull;C) 13:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Some Laurlybot change requests
Hey, few things about Laurlybot. Firstly, on tameable mobs, it misspells "tamed" as "taimed". Little bit annoying.
 * Yeah i found that bug the other day and fixed it unfortunately anything already generated is going to have to be fixed manually I might be able to run some kinda script against the bots database to find all the tamable mobs and have the bot rerun them. I will look into that later once they have all be run

Also, would it be possible to add in some whitespace between sections, as is generally used throughout WoWWiki? It would make subsequent edits much easier, as otherwise the text becomes one huge block. Also, if you could put each category on a seperate line rather then having them all run together, it would help.
 * example please? take any page change it to what you want it to look like and link it to me and i will see what i can do Laurly 10:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Finally, you may recall me requesting that you change how Laurlybot categorizes mobs and NPCs a while ago. Now that the Zone category project is underway, it is becoming more important. It would help our efforts immensely if you could just change how a mob or NPC is categorized from in to  or. I realize a lot of these zones haven't been made yet, but we're well on our way into this project, and these categories will eventually be made. Thanks a bunch. --Mikaka 21:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I noticed that as well i have been going back and manually adding Category:Zone on the cats that where incorrect or missing. Wouldn't it be easer to just change Template:Npcbox and T:Mobbox to auto cat? then we wouldn't have to worry about changing each page if down the road we want to change it again. Laurly 10:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * As an example, look at my edit here. Basically, I'd just like for the source code to be more readable by humans.


 * Auto catting is the ideal solution, but the problem with that is the location parameter on both Npcbox and Mobbox is usually filled with other info besides the zone (Npcbox is supposed to have the coordinates and requires brackets, and Mobbox has the subzone). This could be solved by dividing this into two or three parameters, subzone, zone, and coordinates, and then we'd still need some sort of parsing for mobs that appear in multiple zones (rare, but it happens). But then we have to change the 1000+ pages with Mobbox and the 4000+ pages with NPCbox. I suppose we could also pass the location parameter through a parser to find any instances of zone names and then place them in the appropriate categories, but that would be a ton of work, and I have no idea how to go about it. If you have any better ideas about how to auto cat, I'm all ears. --Mikaka 03:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * i have been thinking about reworking npcbox and mobbox they arnt the same and they should be. for example npcbox uses creature for (human, beast ...) yet mobbox uses type.  Npcbox uses type for elite, rare ... mobbox uses rare, elite.   Its a bit confusing and they should be the same.  adding a zone and coordinate is also something i was thinking of so that we could get auto cating to work.  As for redoing the pages the bot can do that with a bit of tweaking.   And it wouldn't take long for her to run them all as the data's already on the pages its just a matter of changing the layout a bit. Laurly 12:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

XP updates
Wowhead should have them updated soon for quests; I was wondering if you could program the bot just to fiddle with questbox quest pages. Possibly. Please? :) -- Sky (talk | con | wh ) 06:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah can do. just a question of redoing all the quests from lvls 30 - 60.  Laurly 20:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please be careful that it does not blow away other entries such as reputation or category. Many Larulybot-created pages that I've corrected have either blanks or incorrect information for those two entries. --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Report to Nazgrel
I'm kind of confused, why did you move Quest:Report to Nazgrel to Quest:Report to Nazgrel (2)? Hekirou 12:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, crap, I see it now. The only problem is, the first quest of that name doesn't have an article now.  Hekirou 12:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * that one was generated in July when i first started working on the bot I wouldn't be surprised if you found a few quests that where bugged. i try and just fix anyones i find that are messed up.  Laurly 20:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

botting, still
Could you change the code in your bot to not do the whole subpage thing anymore? Seeing as you have no plans on updating the information, I don't see why not. Also, the use of the templates perplexes me (why not just use the template code?).

I also thought of something like this that came up earlier, and it was voted on, and the vote was that all the information be retained on one page. That vote (now policy) is Policy/Writing/Item Articles. Please stop the subpages, for my sanity. xD --Sky (talk | con | wh ) 08:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * i believe the vote was to leave it on the subpage so that the bot could run and reupdate the data. The problem is if we move it to one page it would be to much of a risk the bot trying to do a replace on something that we don't want replaced.  Its safer to leave it on a subpage. And since when do we have no plans to do updates on the info?Laurly 09:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Policy/Writing/Item Articles <--- thats items laurlybot doesn't generate items it does NPCs and quests. So if there are subpages on items you need to speak with foxlit about foxbot as hes the one doing items.Laurly 09:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know it doesn't do items. The link was to show that this sort of thing has been dealt with in the past. And have you noticed: % drop chance was correct at the time the page was generated/created. This will not be updated.? Your bot adds that, so presumably, your bot truly isn't going to be updating the information. Wrong presumption, then? --Sky (talk | con | wh ) 09:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah we just added that so people didn't think that it was going to be updated live. My plan was to rerun them all once a month or so.   Theres 2k+ NPC's i don't want to spam the websites im riping from to much. Doing it once a month seamed reasonable especially if i do say X nr a day.  I'm working on the code now basically a smaller version of the bot to do just that. I'm trying to get it stable enough and standalone enough that i could give it to a couple of the admins to run off there pc's so my connection doesn't get spamed so much :) Laurly 11:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Zul'Aman boss - timed loot
I noticed you added the Amani Divining Staff in a new "Timed Event" lootbox to Akil'Zon's page in ZA. I'd like to remove that, since that loot is not specific to Akil'Zon. Instead, it depends on the order in which you kill the bosses. See the new Zul'Aman timed event article that explains this and lists all the Timed event loot. There is a link to this article in the "Loot" section of the Akil'Zon page. Therefore, let me know if you'd have a problem with me reverting your change. -- Adonran 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have been looking all over trying to find the list of the loot that drops from the timed events and havent been able to find it. Personally i would rather see them under the normal loot like we do with the heroic / normal loot.  Chess_event thats in a chest to and not on the boss.  i posed this under the Zul'Aman main discussion page so we can get opinions Talk:Zul%27Aman Laurly 09:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Another Laurlybot spell-check...
"taimed" -> "tamed". http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Winter_Wolf&diff=1046289&oldid=1005891

Miss you in IRC! :) --Pcj (T•C) 23:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * yeah found that one already. I was on irc yesterday where where you? <3 Laurly 08:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hah, suppose I should read your talk page first. :P --Pcj (T&bull;C) 16:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

(Adding this here for visibility ....) More spelling: Item pages use "This item is droped by ...". Should be dropped. Eg Witherbark Tusk. Thanks! -- Harveydrone 01:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, also, on the dropped section, why is the uncommon drop chance the only one that's capitalized? --Pcj (T&bull;C) 18:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

slog bag
in the loot section it looks like there sneaked a typo into slot bag. example Harbinger_of_the_Raven


 * slog bag! i love this typo. <3 15:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * thats something i have seen before and im almost 100% sure that that term was riped from armory i will have to double check the code. Laurly 15:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Quest categories
I'm looking over the Blacksmithing category and I noticed a subcategory for Category:Blacksmithing quests, which is also a subcategory of Category:Quests by profession. I was going to move a bunch of articles from the main Blacksmithing category to the Quests category, but I noticed one of them had been created by Laurlybot. Do you use the profession quest categories? Should we? Just wondering what the standard is. -- 19:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no fear of upsetting Laurlybot with my changes... I have been moving quests to the profession quest categories as I encounter them, as that IS where they show up in-game.  Some quests related to blacksmithing 'belong' to other (zone) categories; these too should (IMHO) be added to Quests:Blacksmithing instead of directly to Blacksmithing.  I've just not been moving them unless I give them a full "Eiriking"... :) Perhaps I should be more speedy, and move them THEN edit them?  --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * When I come across them I'll do the same. Do you have an example of a finished quest?  I've been kind of timid about editing quests since there seem to be so many variations.  I usually just make sure there are no glaring errors, make sure it has a quest box and then leave it.  19:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

please don't blindly use all data from wowhead
* http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Vilewing_Chimaera&diff=1110525&oldid=993501 * http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Uvuros&diff=1110517&oldid=998807

Additionally, the categories made aren't uptodate (no clue how old the edits were) but it is [Category:Zone:Shadowmoon Valley] and not [Category:Zone:Shadowmoon Valley mobs]

cheers Armagon ( talk   con )  17:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, the category should be Category:Shadowmoon Valley mobs The zone categories are currently undergoing maintenance under the Zone category project.  We just haven't gotten to Shadowmoon Valley yet.  --  18:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * *That* is not the problem - of course the bot-generated pages have to be checked and adjusted, but if a mob has 100+ occurences in one zone and <10 in another, it would be wise to let the bot ignore the zone where the mobs most likely were kited to :) Armagon ( talk   con )  16:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

City NPCs
Laurlybot has been adding some NPCs to cities. That's fine of course, but would it be possible to not have it include Category:Cities on these pages? Every time it adds an NPC to a specific city category, it also adds Category:Cities, which is wrong. Thanks! -- 12:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Aggramar user template
Can you tell me exactly how the user template was broken? It works fine.-- 11:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This user plays on the European Aggramar server.

Thats exactly what i see. with a picture in a box. Please remove it again until its fixed or does something. What exactly is it you want it to do? Laurly 19:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't even appear to do anything even if i click on the image all i get is http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Aggramar.gif
 * Even if i click on the link in all i do is get directed to http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:User_Aggramar_Europe.
 * click on agramar and it brings you to the same page your on http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Aggramar_Europe