Talk:Thaddeus Loenbrough

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FREAKING HILARIOUS.

I only want to know if this is fan fiction or smething that is actually in game.

What?
It says in this page "In lore it is not uncommon for orcs to side with the Alliance instead of the Horde." When has this ever happened? &#123;&#123;User:Mr.X8/Sig}} 22:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The roleplaying game is full of many examples of hero parties made up of both factions, and independent races coming together, in short stories and accounts by Brann and others.Baggins 22:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

But orcs actually siding for the alliance and not the horde, if no we should re-word it better. &#123;&#123;User:Mr.X8/Sig}} 22:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually some do side with the Alliance. Half-orcs usually though.Baggins 22:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Are there any actual examples? &#123;&#123;User:Mr.X8/Sig}} 22:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Short Stories covers a few examples.Baggins 23:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is some info from the rpg;
 * The alliance and horde fought on the same side at the end of the last war. Some heroes are soldiers who met on the battlefield in that fateful time. Each still believes in his affiliation, but none can deny the bond that was formed between them in epic battle. Other heroes are are eager young adventurers who share a desire for wealth that overshadows any political affiliations. Other individuals who are staunch followers of their affiliations may find themselves forced to unite against a common threat. Undead still roam the land, and both humans and orcs hate the Burning Legion. Given the choice of killing an undead or a human, an orc will usually choose the undead, and a human would most likely do the same if the tables were turned. At least, the orc and the human may agree to destroy the undead before laying into one another. The common cause could be all that's needed to develop a new relationship. Heroes may develop from rivals into respected companions.
 * --Baggins 23:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * More information;
 * Many orcs were raised by humans and identify more with the Alliance than the Horde. Some humans and high elves are part of the Horde.
 * --Baggins 23:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right, in the short stories, there was a tauren on the alliance, and a human on the horde. And with slaves, what about them? If a human is a slave to a let's say a troll, even i he didn't like the horde, would he still be considered "on/in the Horde"? Or would he have to be loyal to be considered "in/on the Horde"? &#123;&#123;User:Mr.X8/Sig}} 00:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

According to the RPG, the usual reasons one might be part of an another affiliation; IThe hero was born into the affiliation. Reared from infancy by members of the new affiliation to which he now belongs.
 * The hero was saved from certain death or a terrible calamity by members of the new affiliation.
 * Befriended by members of the opposite side.
 * The hero flees from her own side.
 * The hero witnessed members of his affiliation doing something he found reprehensible or performing a horrible atrocity.
 * The hero was/is magically controlled or magically altered.
 * His values mesh more completely with the new affiliation.
 * Disgusted with the leadership of his old affiliation.
 * Is really a double agent, pretending to belong to the new affiliation, while still reporting to his old faction.

It doesn't appear slavery is one of the reasons. I'm guessing that a slave isn't considered a member. Technically someone who is magically controlled is kinda of enslaved, but the difference is probably that the person thinks they are choosing to join the new side of their own free will, unaware they are being manipulated.Baggins 00:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

What about Theresa in Undercity. She is a "slave", but is magically forced to be for the Horde. What should we put her under?  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  23:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)