Talk:Twilight's Hammer cult

Split/Remerge
According to Horde's Player's Guide, the "cult" is still called the "Twilight's Hammer Clan". Infact its said to be the same thing, just that some demons somehow got control of the clan. Do they really need to be seperated and disambugated?Baggins 12:07, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * A clan by dictionary definition is a group consists people from same extended family. I sure hope those humans/taurens who patrol Silithus are not descended from orcs. Joke aside, their new structure is a religious organization, not a clan. Someone else previously suggested a split see Talk:Twilight's Hammer, although there weren't any discussion, I just thought it was appropriate to split. --Voidvector 12:23, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Don't go by what a dictionary clan definition is, go by the Warcraft Definition, remember the Laughing Skull clan? It was an orc clan, but you might remember it was lead by an Ogre, and had other ogres within it? In Alliance Player's Guide it confirms it is still the clan but they are now accepting members from other races.Baggins 12:27, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Not only that remember Ogrim Doomhammer? He has been a member of two clans :). For a time he rose in power in Thunderlord Clan, but was also a member of Blackrock clan. Besides we are talking about the Twilight's Hammer Clan it was initially lead by the Ogre Cho'gall. So yes the real world definition really doesn't cut it.

Besides, in the world of gamers, a clan is something that someone can join, :). Also look at definition 3, yep not all members have to be related.

clan (klăn) n.
 * 1. A traditional social unit in the Scottish Highlands, consisting of a number of families claiming a common *ancestor and following the same hereditary chieftain.
 * 2. A division of a tribe tracing descent from a common ancestor.
 * 3. A large group of relatives, friends, or associates.

Webster:
 * 2 : a group united by a common interest or common characteristics

So yes clan has more than one meaning, and it doesn't fall into limited definition you first gave.

Baggins 12:34, 28 December 2006 (EST)


 * Taking it from a classification stand point, the two should be disambiguated. They are structurally different, serving different leaders, allied with different factions, and composed of different members. Their connection being the unexplained transition mentioned in the RPG guides. Without this information, I had no reason to believe they are even the same group.


 * Take another group for example, the "Alliance", they are far more consistent group and yet have Alliance of Lordaeron and Alliance in separate articles. Likewise, the horde: Horde, Dark Horde, Horde (pre-Thrall). --Voidvector 13:06, 28 December 2006 (EST)