Talk:Jormungar

A welcome break from Ouro's model.-- 23:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I call Dragonblight world boss. Or maybe Borean Tundra.  --Adonzo 09:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Uldum speculation
Uldum is a dungeon located in Southern Tanaris, it is one of the three original titan cities left behind on Azeroth. Uldum is noted for it's too front wooden doors, which are hanging, bulging outwards with a giant gaping hole in the center ringed in arrows.

The Jormungar Wyrm is a monster shown in Wotlk's Bestiary, it is named after a famous serpent in Norse mythology that grew so large it encircled the world to devour it's own tail.

What is the connection you ask?

Well I was outside Uldum the other day, pondering what possibly could of made that hole, why people were shooting at it, who those people were and where they are now, when I noticed something on the stone pillars surrounding the Valley of Wonder.

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uldumgh8.jpg

Notice anything?

That's right, the artwork on the pillars pays homage to the very namesake of this new monster being suddenly introduced in the next expansion.

This leaves us with two old questions.

1. When will Uldum become an open instance, and what does it hold?

2. What made that hole and where is it now?

And one new question.

3. What is the Jormungar Wyrm, and how does it relate to Uldum, and why is it surfacing only now? -Caster < Colossus > Eldre'Thalas


 * But couldn't this also be a reference to the ouroboros, and hence Ouro? Confusing.... Vulpes Wolf 23:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If it is connected to the ouroboros (wich I also believe), it have strong connection to the fact that ouroboros is a reference to the life, death and rebirth cycle, and since the titans are the "makers" of several of the current sentient species (and the fact that trolls worships a supreme serpentine God of Life), and by parallelism, sumerian old gods with snake-like features created the life on Earth (very widespread cult by the way - not only by the sumerians - another example, 2 coiled serpents are a symbol of life, and by extension the DNA - and it seems too that the titan language involved cuneiform letters, firstly created by the summerians; casually?), it is possible that the pillars just points the fact that the titans are the "creators" of the actual life in Azeroth (and many other worlds around the Dark Beyond /shrugs). I don't believe it is connected to this flat worm in Northrend anyway (and why a worm would travel from south to north (and traveled underwater if that happened 9.999 years ago) just for the sake of "traveling").
 * By the way, perhaps the hole on Uldum were made by maddened earthen or by frustrated dwarves, or even by those mountain giants, by elementals (they still are at war with the titans) or by another character related to Ironaya or Myzrael? Did you counted the silithid? They wanted to overrun the ancient world after the titans departure, so, perhaps they wanted to usurp the secrets there too. Oh, and the pirates, don't forget them and their treasure-lust (and Drysc is just only a Community Manager - but the fact of something scaping from the titan vault it is also plausible - but not nearly related to the Jormungar Wyrm, period) -- [[Image:IconSmall_ForestTroll_Male.gif‎ ]] Ravenore, the Necroshadowmancer 00:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well Ouro is connected to the Qiraji, which are connected to the nerubians, which are connected to Northrend, so perhaps it's the nerubian form of Ouro?Xlel 21:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Still I believe, if Blizzard artists aren't lazy as always, that those pilars may be retconned at due time or by the addition of the instance of Ulduar. I am one who believes that the pillars surrounding the old titan sites depicting that serpentine animal are just totemical pillars carved by ancient trolls who worshipped the titans (as the titans are their makers), then abandoned those "temples" with the time but kept the snake worship. The only thing I believe it is "titan-made" are the greek-like ruins on Uldaman, The Shimmering Flats and Wetlands (and those tapestries depicting solar systems and cunneiform words). Just because dwarves likes to call to every ancient architecture as "titan" (wich doesn't overwrites the fact that the trolls could worshipped the ancient places left by the titans), doesn't makes every of their excavations or arqueological babble and site discoveries tossed by the Explorer's Guild as titan-made ruins. Just a thought. There are also pillars with the same features around Hyjal, wich as for today, doesn't have any titan vault or ruins (but trolls dwell there - curious). --[[Image:IconSmall_ForestTroll_Male.gif‎ ]] Ravenore, the Necroshadowmancer 00:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice theory, but it doesn't hold water: most trolls worship the Loa and as of yet I have not heard of any trolls worshiping the titans. Furthermore, Blizzard has given no lore to support the theory that such ruins are troll-made any more than they are Flying Spagehetti Monster-made. Trolls are native to almost every region in Azeroth. Their proximity proves nothing. -- 20:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Post bestiary update
The new information revealed seems to imply that there are more than one of these creatures and they have been native to Northrend since the founding of the Nerubian nation. The Uldum theory is stil viable, however, if perhaps the thing that escaped from Uldum procreated and the numerous worms in Northrend are it's spawn. Unfortunately, the above information also states that jormungar are excelent tunnelers, boring through solid rock with ease. It would make no sense to attempt to hold such a creature in a stone prison, nor would it escape by going out the guarded front door if it could tunnel out.Infrit (talk) 04:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there even a point in including this in the article? The speculation on the Uldum page that something burst out should be sufficient; I don't see any need to include this on every single page where some person says "maybe it was this!", especially since it borders very much on pure speculation. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Name
The images shown (and partly the description) are not the Wrym stage of a Jormungar. Might want to moved the article back to simply Jormungar until the bestiary updates with Wrym specific info. Alpha sourced, so can't say much else. -- 17:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not think there are stages at this point. There is the regular type and whatever the Jormungar Tunnelers are.-- 03:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Are they realy so big?!
Judging on the concept art as well as the fact that they were used to carve tunnels deep into Northrends ice,I dont realy think that these guys gonna be trash mobs....--ÐæMønÐ 21:56, 16 Juni 2008 (UTC)