Talk:Reputation

Reputation Clarification | 5/23/2005 11:57:36 AM PDT
source: Blizzard Forum I realize that many of you may already be aware of the following information I've provided concerning reputation gain, however I have seen some confusion on the subject and wanted to provide some clarification.

Reputation gained from quests is much like how experience is gained from doing a quest. When you complete a quest that offers a reputation reward, you will increase your standing by a set number. Some quests will give more reputation that others; this is usually because the quest is more challenging to complete. If a quest gives reputation to a faction that is part of a group of factions (Alliance, Horde, Steamwheedle Catrel, etc.), then there is a chance that your reputation will also go up some with the other member factions. The amount increased is usually only a portion of what you gained with the main faction involved in the quest, but the amount you gain in this manner never takes away from the total you gained overall.

When a player completes a quest that is much lower in level than they are, they receive only a fraction of the XP they normally would. This same rule applies to reputation gains with a faction. For example, a level 60 Alliance player completing the famous Kobold Camp Cleanup will receive at best 10% of what a level-appropriate character would receive. To receive the full amount of reputation that a quest might give, it is important to remember to be in the level appropriate range.

Increasing one’s reputation with a faction is not a quick process. It takes time to show one’s loyalty earn the faction’s trust. Completing a quest that involves one of WoW’s many factions is a significant step in the right direction – especially if the quest is challenging – but nonetheless just one of many steps you’ll need to take. As a player increases in rank (up toward Exalted status), it’ll take an increasing amount of effort to prove yourself to a faction. Also – players should note that it is intended that there is no real way to gain reputation with the “Big 4�? of either side (Alliance, Horde) by killing monsters. Only quests give reputation needed to increase in rank with a faction of the Alliance or Horde.

- Eyonix; Online Community Representative

Q: June 10, 2005
Why do all the factions say that only "Shadowprey Guardians" are mobs killable to gain reputation? That doesn't make a lot of sense. --TedC 10:49, 10 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Q: May 28, 2005
Howya!

Is there any way someone could get a message to Coringar for me. I have a lot of information that he'd find very useful for his FAQ, but as I'm on the European severs I'm not able to post to his thread.

My eMail addy is in profile. Cheers!

-- Anat, Euro Argent Dawn [ 10:23, 28 May 2005 Anat (FAO Coringar) ]

Links on Repeatable Reputation Quests
At some point I'm going to put Thottbot.com or WoW Allakhazam links on all the repeatable reputation quests... Probably not from Goblin Workshop, since they seem incomplete.
 * - Fandyllic 1:54 PM PDT 29 July 2005

Random praise
Just wanted to say this is a very impressive article :) Barneyboo 15:52, 17 Oct 2005 (EDT)

The Syndicate
I found out some info on the Syndicate faction and tossed it in that section. It may not be as pretty as the rest, but someone might have fun with it. Clean it up or do what ever you want with it. Beautiful piece of work by the way. Keep at it.

Oct 21, 2005

Reorganization | 10/25/05
I've taken on the task of overhauling and updating the whole of this article. I hope to put information on all factions into a clean, universal format, as many of them are in a rather messy state. Hopefully, when complete, the article will be much easier to navigate and much more helpful to viewers. Please bear with me as I work to complete this endeavor.
 * - LunarApostle 25 October, 2005

I've got more info that was never posted, if you feel like a collaberation, let me know, E-mail is in profile (if you can find it)
 * - Coringar 13 January, 2006

Morrowgrain
I see no indication that Morrowgrain raises Cenarion Circle faction. I just did a test and received 25 TB faction and no mention of Cenarion faction (although that would make more sense). I'm only friendly with Cenarion, and I don't recall ever seeing it from turning in truckloads of morrowgrain when I was neutral either.

I'm not sure if this changed with a patch, but 'Arrows are for Sissies' does NOT give Ironforge reputation. I'm going to be bold and remove it.

Cloth Quartermasters
I added tables to record the locations of the Cloth Quartermasters. All I know right now is Stormwind which I filled in. I don't have any Horde characters so some stinking hordy will need to fill those in. ::grin::

LinhartR 14:50, 3 May 2006 (EDT)

As I just completed the quest for runecloth un the Undercity, I edited the RRQ section to indicate that the first time you do it, you need 60 runecloth, and thereafter you only need 20. Also edited it to indicate that you actually need to complete the Wool, Silk and Mageweave quests before you'll bet the Runecloth one. As a Stinking Hordie ::get your spelling right:: I'll add in the locations where appropriate. I can't fill out the table for the experience reward as I hit Level 60 before I started doing the cloth quests, so I didn't get any experience.

Chantillary 2006:08:16 10:06, (MDT)

Rewritten the article
I've rewritten the whole article.. The old one was too long and VERY messy. I've removed:
 * Suggestions for gaining Reputation with various factions and Repeatable Reputation Quests: there are more complete information in each faction page.
 * All the outdated information (old patches)...
 * Dropped/Reward Mounts: not pertinent to the article
 * Rank 3 10% discount: not pertinent to the article
 * Cloth Quartermasters tables: it was very messy and incomplete.. we should add it again if someone wants to fix it though
 * Other outdated, repeated or not pertinent information

I added:
 * Reputation sheet

I hope it'll be much easier to read and more helpful now. What do you think? Koper 19:44, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Patch 2.01
It would seem that there have been significant changes in patch 2.01, reputation gain no longer decays. I have tested several low level quests (level ~20 quests on a 60 toon) and recived the full amount of reputation for it. In addition it appears that the amount of reputation gained have been increased for many quests.

10 December 2006.

I was running my level 70 through the Draenei starting zone with a low level alt, and you do NOT get full rep for all the quests. Most of the quests gave me significantly less rep on my level 70 as my alt. Some of them did give the full rep, but I would said at least 9 out of 10 gave a reduced rep gain (the 20% that used to be the norm.)

I removed the bit about 2.0.1 giving full reputation. I spoke with a GM today regarding the issue and he said that low level quests do not give full rep and that it was working as intended. There was confusion in the patch notes with particular quests not giving rep properly. All quests should be giving reduced reputation the farther you get from the appropriate quest level. -Deadgar 9:00AM ET 3/7/07


 * I did all the starting area quests I had missed recently in order to get rep up to buy racial mounts from other horde races, and got full rep for all the quests at 65-70. Feebtlas 13:00, 7 April 2007 (EDT)


 * In March 2007 I did all the starting quests on my alliance mage at levels 60-62, along with the newer mid-level Exodar quests (having previously done all other rep-giving quests under level 60; I kept ridiculously complete records on this) and the vast bulk of quest experience was similar to what the anonymous person claimed above, that "you do NOT get full rep for all the quests".  Nearly every quest under level 30 gave me 10% of the full reputation, and the couple that gave full reputation appeared to be bugged that way, not particular special.  I don't have my records in front of me to tell you which couple they were, but they weren't significant in being the end of a major chain or such. --Tale 13:14, 9 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Just finished getting Night Elf (Darnassus) reputation up to exalted with my level 39 Gnome Mage, in preperation for acquiring a cat mount. I performed quests in Ashenvale, Darkshore, and even Teldrassil with full reputation rewards.  I have not at any recent time seen any reduction in reputation gain at any level differential, including the "Mist" escort quest for which I outranked the quest by a full 28 levels. This is of course with 2.1.2. Everything always comes out at nice even values, 350, 250, 100, 75 etc. JoshuaRodman 23:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In case it wasn't clear enough, I believe the article under discussion is dead wrong. Can anyone confirm the described math in any situation at all?  For example we could start comparing notes on reputation rewards for particular quests. JoshuaRodman 23:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I just recently did a major rep grind with a level 40 Tauren Druid in order to get Exalted with Org to get a Wolf Mount. I did newbie quests in all the starting areas. All quests with a quest level of 4 or less gave only their main faction's rep with no spillover, but gave full faction reward (One exception, Valley of Trials quests give both Darkspear and Org rep and I'd assume the same for dwarf/gnome newbie quests). The exception being Silvermoon for whom I could not obtain or complete any of the level 4 or under quests. For level 5 and beyond quests I received the full main faction and spillover reputation reward on all quests with no level penalty with Silvermoon quests again being the exception which gave both Silvermoon and spillover rep in accordance with the level scaled system currently detailed on the Article page. This also persists beyond the newbie areas as the BE in Stonetalon gave very little rep when doing her quests at 40 compared to the other quest givers in the area giving full rep rewards. --Roach 02:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In short, it appears that under the current system, the Article is accurate in describing how Blood Elf and (presumably) Dranaei factioned quests reward rep but that Pre-TBC main factions give full rep for all their quests without regard to level. --Roach 02:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Are we entirely sure that the variance in reputation granted isn't due to the reputation level one has when undertaking the quest? I've found quite a few grey quests actually do grant full reputation, but that may be because I still did them early enough that I was only Friendly with the faction in question. Is it possible that people going back and doing these quests and getting less than the full amount were Honored, Revered, or Exalted with the factions in question at the time, and were getting reduced reputation gains for that reason? Synied 13:19, 5 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I was revered with the factions (Undercity, Orgrimmar, Darkspear Trolls & Thunder Bluff) from leveling up to 70, I then went back and did the starting zone quests I had missed to get exalted and got full rep for all. Maybe it's a horde thing... Feebtlas 13:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The article still claims that "Full reputation is still gained by questing at a higher level. For example, completing low level quests with a level 70 character now gives full reputation." However, I believe that Roach's comment above is correct, and I have experienced this lately with my level 20 gnome who is questing in Teldrassil and Darkshore for full rep, but only getting 10% in Bloodmyst/Azuremyst. Shouldn't we change the article to reflect this? I can't comment on the Blood elf starting area, however. Dfscott 17:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds like the draenei quests are still broken :/ 18:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Repeatable Reputation Quests
I made some minor changes here adding in that you can do a lot of AV quests to raise Reputation with Player Factions. I linked it to a new article I'm still in the middle of creating, it's Repeatable Reputation Quests where I am compiling a list of all of the quests you can repeat for reputation with every faction in the game. It isn't complete yet though.

-Seanjohn (Warsong) December 12th 2006

Article merge suggested
Why isn't this artice merged with, or partially merged, with Faction ? Nycthion


 * Faction looks rather crappy in comparison, I say whatever extrea bits (if any) on that page should be megred over here and that page redirected. 03:07, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Faction actually looks like a slight redundancy to the stub.  16:14, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

"Silver Dragon" Portrait
I've been unable to confirm the rumor that if a player gets exalted with all 4 factions (this was pre-BC) within Alliance/Horde, the player would be given a silver dragon around his/her portrait like a rare mob. I've never gotten close to exalted with all 4 (or now 5). Anyone know anything about this? -- 03:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've never heard of such a thing, and I've definitely never seen such a thing. If it were true, there'd definitely be a couple players that would have it by now, but apparently no. Pzychotix 04:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To add, getting this level of rep just isn't that hard to do. I'm high revered or exalted on four out of five factions (I don't have BC installed, so the fifth is a lot harder). See the above discussion about a lack of reduction in quest reputation for completing quests at high level. I'm only in the 40s.  Someone who played enough time to hit 60 or  70 would be have easily achieved this.  If it was true, you would have seen a lot of these. JoshuaRodman 07:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Repairs and factions
I'm unable to confirm this with other factions, but I'm not sure whether the repair guys are buggy or designed this way on purpose. From my experience, to repair armor will never go above 10% (the honored discount). Anyone else see this? -- 10:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, I need to say, I tried it with the Lower City blacksmith supplier, and I'm exalted with LC. -- 10:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion for adding a new link
I created a website called the WoW Reputation Calculator, which reads your reputation data from the armory and gives you a personalized report on what to do to get your rep up with each (currently only BC) faction. I continually get positive feedback from users about how useful this tool is, and I thought it would be helpful to many people to have a link to it from some reputation related pages on wowwiki.com. Before I just added it, I wanted to make sure that was ok. Any thoughts? Thanks, Thinkspill 06:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't need to ask. If it's in violation of policy then someone would eventually remove it.  10:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Reputation Table
Sky2042 removed the complete table of factions with reputations without discussing it or giving any reason and replaced it with a broken link. The list was very informative, well formatted and had the most important information in a concise overview - and provided the links to more details. One might consider the information in this table as partly redundant with that given on the "Faction" page, so moving it to that page would be an option. But completely deleting it is certainly not an option because the list on the faction page is only half as good (information is missing and the formatting is obviously worse). Improving the topic needs much more work than just deleting. And a bit of discussion or at least giving reasons for the change would be a nice idea anyway. I'm reverting the page to it's previous state.


 * No signature?    Rolandius [[Image:Wc3Knight.gif|16x16px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 14:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Patch 2.4.0.
In patch 2.3.0 was introduced discount in vendor prices depended on reputation with vendor's faction. Official patch notes said about it and only about it. In patch 2.4.0 the same discount was applied to flight masters and repair masters but nothing was in the patch notes. The Reputation page of WoWWiki clearly says about vendor's discount and nothing about flight/repair one. I've added info about it and Coobra deleted it. I want to know why not not mention it as if that discount doesn't exist. --LStranger 14:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Correction, it was an undocumented bug fix for in 2.4. It was meant to happen in 2.3. You can add that to the page, as a bug fix, but not as "Added in 2.4". Cause that is an incorrect statement, that is why it has been removed... twice and the first time it was removed was not by me. 20:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Emotes?
I've noticed that certain guards in major faction cities, such as Silvermoon and Stormwind, react to your emotes, like /salute. Does this have anything to do with reputation? As your reputation goes up, can you do more things as a little added bonus? Schrödinger&#39;s Sword 12:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, they have always done this. No matter your faction. 01:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Possible spillover cap?
While working to see if hitting Exalted is possible by level 30, I appear to have hit a snag when my target faction's rep reached 13999/21000. I no longer appear to be gaining rep from spillover, despite having gained 2k rep with a second faction after hitting 13999. I'm not sure if this is an undocumented issue before now, a side effect of doing quests way below my level, or something that cropped up in the most recent patch. Any ideas?
 * It's possible (like professions) that there is a rep cap at certain levels... it might have never been noticed before cause no one tries to get exalted before level 30, no reason to... or rather was no reason to, till now with the mounts moving from 40 to 30. 12:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay then. This sounds like it's time for an experiment. I'll whip up a new character and try to tag another faction and see what happens. DeVelaine (talk) 14:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * After a few hours of fiddling around and testing with two characters, I've found that there isn't a cap on reputation of 13999/21000 for spillover. However, there appears be a quest level below which spillover just doesn't happen. That may have been my problem before. If I can narrow it down to a specific quest level, I'll certainly share. Until then, I'm going to keep working with it. DeVelaine (talk) 01:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Final results on Exalted by level 30. Possible? Yes. However, this may be something that's only possible for humans due to the rep bonus. There's not nearly enough high rep quests for each faction to only do quests for that faction and make it. You'll run out long before hand. Even with the human bonus, I still had to do nearly all of the quests in Bloodmyst Isle, Westfall, and Loch Modan, just to get exalted with Darnassus. All of those quests were done at level 29, when the XP gain was minimal. When I was done, I had just about 7 bars of XP to go, and more than half was rested. So this is possible, but I don't see anyone other than humans pulling this off. DeVelaine (talk) 04:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Spillover mechanics
27 July, 2010

I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed or tested, but I haven't been able to find any information regarding this. If anyone has the time to test it or the contacts within Blizzard to verify whether it's accurate or not, I'd appreciate having a final answer on this.

In trying to gain Exalted reputation with all five Alliance factions, it appears that there is a mechanic in place regarding spillover rep, based on one's current rep level with each faction. It seems like spillover does not occur for factions with whom you already have a higher rep level, nor for factions with whom your rep level is more than one level below the faction you're questing with. For example:


 * If I'm currently Revered with Darnassus, Honored with Exodar, and Friendly with Ironforge, Gnomer, and Stormwind, doing Darnassus quests would give me spillover only with Exodar, doing Exodar quests would give me spillover with Ironforge, Gnomer, and Stormwind, but not Darnassus, and doing quests with Ironforge would give me spillover with Gnomer and Stormwind, but not Exodar or Darnassus.

Again, this is a preliminary impression, based on casual observation, without having kept records, as I just noticed after I was already Revered with Darnassus and Exodar, and Honored with the other three. So as mentioned, if anyone has the time and inclination to verify whether this is truly the case, having a definite answer would be nice. If it IS correct, it would also need to be documented in the article, and would be of great assistance if anyone were to write a tutorial on maximizing Alliance/Horde reputation gains. -- NastyPope (talk) 16:31, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spillover rep should be applied equally to all other reputations, regardless of rep level. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:16, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's what I always thought, but when I was still doing Exodar (Revered) quests, and was still only Friendly with Gnomer, Ironforge, and Stormwind, those three didn't seem to be getting any spillover, but when I started doing Darnassus (Honored) quests, I started getting spillover again. From the other direction, now that I'm Revered with Darnassus and Exodar, and Honored with the other three, the Ironforge quests I'm doing aren't giving me any spillover for Darnassus and Exodar.  However, as mentioned, this is all anecdotal, with no records or documentation to support my findings. -- NastyPope (talk) 16:31, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Upon further observation, I've noticed that my Ironforge/Gnomer quests (Honored with both) aren't giving me spillover rep with Stormwind (Honored), either. Curious. -- NastyPope (talk) 01:52, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw this in the Jan. 26, 2011 "Hotfixes":
 * "•Thunder Bluff reputation no longer increases further from Horde faction gains than other races, now correctly capping at Friendly."
 * From this, it sure looks to me like the mechanic is: If you gain rep with any Horde or Alliance faction, you gain 1/4 as much spillover rep for each of the other allied factions, as long as those factions are "friendly" or below. (Spillover rep will not give you that last point to push you from "friendly" to "honored".) And this seems to be my experience. Apparently this was bugged for Thunder Bluff, but is now being fixed. (Which may explain why NastyPope was seeing different behavior.)


 * So some questions I got are:


 * * Has any Blizzard source confirmed this? Any blue posts anywhere?
 * * What rep groups does this apply to? Horde and Alliance, presumably. How about Steamwheedle? Any similar mechanic with Horde Expedition/Alliance Vanguard?
 * * Just when did this change happen? Is it reffed in any of the patch notes?


 * If I don't hear otherwise, I'll change the page in the next couple of days just to note the new spillover rules for (base game) Horde and Alliance groups. -- Shoutingboy (talk) 22:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Cataclysm Update | 12/13/2010 5:32 AM CST
Just wanted to point out that while there has been an obvious attempt to update this page for the Cataclysm expansion, a few things still need to be done. (This is mostly a list for myself, but I thought I'd put it up for all in case someone else beats me to it.)

°Most of the new zones have been added as categories in the Factions list, except Tol Barad and Twilight Highlands.

°Wildhammer need to be moved from "Removed" to "Twilight Highlands" on the list, with a note that it's been readded as of the expac.

°Shen'dralar needs to be moved to "Removed".

I would do all this now, but I'm new to the wiki thing and want to make sure I have all the data and rules on these changes before I do so. It's too late (or rather early) for me to do that research right this second.

I did however make changes to the top chart concerning faction rewards (tabards specifically) and a paragraph that said that in WotLK Shen'dralar and Ravenholdt had no achievs attached to them. (Both were required for Insane in the Membrane, though Shen'dralar has obviously since been removed.)

I feel like there was more to be listed, but I'm fading fast.

Basically it just needs to be updated. Thanks all. --  Drasol    T C 12:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I did everything I listed here. If anybody notices anything else let me know here and I'll try to fix it.  D r a s o l    talk   contr    05:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Bugged reputation gains?
When you max a reputation, then continue doing quests that give reputation to that faction, it sys something about giving you +250 reputation to the Horde. I was told by my guildies this was supposed to grant that much reputation to each of the home cities not yet maxed... yet I'm getting nothing. Is this a bug? I know it hasn't been giving it because I had two quests, guessed what it meant after I turned in the first quest, and double checked before and after I turned in my second quest. Doofu (talk) 04:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Brood of Nozdormu
As far as I know, this faction is stil in-game. What's your source for its removal? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)