Talk:Leatherworking patterns

I've completely reworked the patterns table(s), and expanded them to include all the recipes that I can find reference to (including two dubious ones, listed at the end). The previous table only listed up to a skill of ~190, so it's now rather enormous in comparison, but at least comprehensive. I've split the table up by mastery level. Required skill level, and skill-up colours were updated and all moved to the one column for space/reading efficiency. Reputation/specialization requirements and restrictions of other kinds (factional, seasonal) are all included in a new column, which I think makes good sense. I also cleaned up some of the wording in other sections of the page, though didn't expand anything greatly -- W.woods 15:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Update: now converted the tables to use AJAX code which not only loads them as collapsed, but also avoids the download of any of their contained data until they're clicked on. As part of this, patterns were divided up by mastery level and given their own pages that are effectively transcluded back into this one. This means (i) the page loads much faster and helps reduce the effects of server issues, (ii) users who are only interested in a particular range of patterns won't be spammed with everything, but also (iii) still allows users to view all tables at once if they so wish. See Wowpedia talk:Village pump for the discussion that lead to this. -- W.woods (talk) 10:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

To Check for Cataclysm
--W.woods (talk) 04:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The only things left to check are all related to recipes that were gained through specializations. Specialization was removed in Cataclysm:
 * Are recipes that required specialization quests even available any more?
 * If they're still available, Wowhead lists Dragonscale Gauntlets and Wolfshead Helm as requiring 245 skill. Their comments page says 225 (as does our page). Need to double check this.
 * The following are listed on Wowhead as requiring 385 skill now. I suspect that's wrong and it's still 375 as listed on here, but will need to check:
 * Ebon Netherscale Belt, Ebon Netherscale Bracers and Ebon Netherscale Breastplate
 * Netherstrike Belt, Netherstrike Bracers and Netherstrike Breastplate
 * Primalstrike Belt, Primalstrike Bracers and Primalstrike Vest
 * Windhawk Belt, Windhawk Bracers and Windhawk Hauberk
 * All the ammo bag recipes were removed from the game, but were they also removed from the recipe tabs of players that knew them? If so, I'll remove them from the lists. If not, I'll keep them (with a note) even if nobody new can learn them. - all recipes were removed from players who knew them except for Quiver of a Thousand Feathers. I left this one on the list even though it can no longer be learned by new players.
 * Black Chitinguard Boots are listed on Wowhead as requiring 390 skill. This page said 400. I've adjusted this page but still need to confirm on live that this is correct. - Wowhead was wrong. Still requires 400
 * Confirm Dark Arctic Chestpiece now requires 405 skill and Dark Arctic Leggings requires 400 (as per Wowhead). Both used to require 395. - require 395 still. Wowhead is wrong on both
 * Check skill level of Savage Armor Kit (425 seems too low) - no, 425 is correct

IF !Javascript THEN fail
You guys have looked at this page with Javascript turned off, haven't you? Sorry, but looking at this without javascript/tooltips, I get a page that is pretty well useless for its purpose. I understand why you did what you did (reducing load times), but ... no. It is not helpful to me, the non-javascript user.

May I request an alternate strategy: provide default tables that are minimal (say, pattern name, skill level to train, "trainer/vendor/other", no pics, no tips, no recipe contents, etc...) for the non-javascript user. You're already committed to "if AJAX AND request more THEN send flood of data". So simply (or not so simply) add: "if AJAX (enabled) THEN send collapsed table on top of default"? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest putting this on Village Pump as a point of discussion. There are people that were involved with the creation of that code that will probably want to weigh in, and won't see this --w.woods (talk) 10:09, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Items out of date
I decided to start a shaman alt and went to look at all the low level leather recipes available only to discover that many of them have been changed in one patch or another. For example the spirit on the fine leather items has been replaced with spell power and several of the embossed items have been made uncommon with stats added. Armour values have also been changed on some items. I think i have fixed up the apprentice items but there are a lot to go through and cross reference to make sure they are up to date. I will be working through the journeyman recipes next when i have free time but help would be appreciated. I am using Wowhead as a reference, i think their data is pulled directly from the game. -- Exiton (talk) 18:38, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

- All Apprentice recipes have been double checked -- Exiton (talk) 00:08, September 12, 2009 (UTC) - Journeyman Recipes up to and including 105 skill have been checked and updated -- Exiton (talk) 00:36, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

- I fixed the Toughened Leather Armour and Fletcher's Gloves entries, with data pulled straight from the game -- Enigbo (talk) 11:56, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Keen! --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:48, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Illustrious recipes
Should hopefully all be in and correct, as well as new Cataclysm Grand Master-level recipes. --W.woods (talk) 01:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)