Talk:Turalyon

Warcraft 2
I have reason to believe that General Turalyon is the character you play in warcraft 2! plz message me back if you have anything to say about this?

Err... of course he is, he's a hero Paladin avaliable in some expansion missions. His statistics and in-game likeness are offered in the article. and sign your posts with four tides please.--Ragestorm 06:04, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

Chris Metzen has stated that the expeditionary forces survived the closing of the Dark Portal at BlizzCon 2005 --Caeryn 18:39, 28 July 2006 (EDT)


 * With all due respect, that's rather obvious, since some of them are in The Burning Crusade. Swiftstar 15:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)Swiftstar


 * With all due respect you should look at post dates ;) 16:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Turalyon in the past AND the present?
Is it possible that Turalyon can be seen in both the Caverns of Time raid instance AND present day outland?It says that the fate of the expition team was unknown which could mean that turalyon is still alive.Of Course he would be an old man because Warcraft 2 took place a long time before WoW.-Hammerdin


 * While i was browsing through some forums, i entered a discussion that said that Turalyon might be Highlord Mograine's (ashbringer) second son. In the quest text, Fairbanks says this son is the PUREST of paladins and is currently in outland. Do you guys think this makes sense ? -Pulyx 11:26, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Good Statement, Pulyx!!! N'Nanz 22:30, 20 OCtober 2006

Oh My god, the statement about Turalyon being his second son makes alot of sense but the thing is I feel Turalyon is probably to old to be his son cause in the lore he was Lother's right hand man in the First and Second wars and he was probably in his late 20's or early 30's which would mean that now he'd have to be 50's or 60's like Khadgar, unless I'm wrong and Highlord Mograine is like pushin 70 or 80 years old.


 * You are right about the ages. Visiting the Caverns of Time - Durnholde instance and wandering down to Southshore, you can meet Mograine and his son Renault. Renault is a young boy. This was after the 1st and 2nd wars in which Turalyon played a part. Therefore, Either Mograine is a lot older than he looks or Turalyon isn't his son (They are about the same age! So I'm going for the 2nd option). Of course this is all conjecture and everyone knows the Lore isn't a fixture. As nowhere is Turalyon given more of a name than 'Turalyon', his surname remains a mystery and so does his lineage. Suppose this gets labelled 'wait and see!' - Jimbob


 * He's confirmed as "missing" in the beta, and none of the Caverns of Time instances contain room for him to appear.-_Ragestorm 19:56, 26 November 2006 (EST)

Since all the expedition leaders have been confirmed as alive, the Morgraine-Turalyon theory seems to hold the most weight. Assuming he was a young man during the Draenor Campaign, he would be in his late 30s as in our current timeline. We have no idea how much time has passed between WoW and WoW: BC yet.

I don't think time will be an issue. Since WarCraft lore isn't established firmly alot of it is simply made up on a go-along basis. The old timeline made Grom Hellscream almost 200, and the new one makes him around 10. --Grid 14:55, 27 November 2006 (EST)

??? Turalyon would probably have been in his later 30s during the original expedition. Art aside, how likely is it that a teenager was not only a paladin, but became a major commander and fathered a son (already adult), and be only in his late 30s right now?--Ragestorm 17:13, 27 November 2006 (EST)


 * I wouldn't be too certain about Grom Hellscream's age, Horde Player's guide comments that Kil'Jaeden contacted Ner'zhul over 130 years before World of Warcraft/Burning Crusade time frame. So considering that makes Ner'zhul very old. I'm not certain how that effects Grom's age.Baggins 22:15, 27 November 2006 (EST)

In the WarCraft 3 manual Grom is specifically listed as 35.--Grid


 * Which means that orcs have much short lifespans than humans... Regardless, this is impossible, Rise of the Horde (and I'm very sorry, but novels take precidence over all other out-game lore) confirms that the orcs were corrupted in the span of about a decade and a half. Orcish lifespans of that length are impossible, as 200 years is described as an inconceivably long time to the orcish mindset. -- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:39, 7 January 2007 (EST)

"and I'm very sorry, but novels take precidence over all other out-game lore"

While I agree, that we have an inconsistency here, according to Blizzard, Novels, RPG, and Manga are all equal sources of lore. Metzen is involved in all 3 and he is part of the staff of the RPG, as both material writer, and Creative and Rules design. The book is also clear to point out that comes from the creative minds of the computer games. All we can do is consider this an inconsistency and leave it at that.Baggins 23:56, 7 January 2007 (EST)


 * Not Turalyon-related; transfer to usertalk.-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:58, 7 January 2007 (EST)

I was answer in regards to Baggins' question about Grom's ambiguous age. It's not. He was 35 in the manual.--Zexx 01:44, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Zexx we should probalby take it to Grom's talk page, but first off he as age 46 in the manual not 35. However that was not the issue, the issue was not what sources say Grom's age was but if the age fits with the timelines we have been given by Blizzard. I'm pretty sure there are no sources that say his age is 200, or his age is specifically 10. Just that apparently if the math is done, depending on the timeline 46 doesn't come out so easily.Baggins 01:59, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Ok to clear things up, one, Turalyon was not at all part of the First War, he is from Lorderon and they did not fight until the Second War. And second, Turalyon fought as a Paladin in the Second War around his early twenties, since they said he was close to Khadgar's age even though Khadgar looks much older. This should be kind of cleared up from the new book "Tides of Darkness" by Aaron Rosenberg. --Turalyon

Picture
If I took a picture of his monument in Stormwind to put on this page, could I send it to some one else to put it on there? I'm really crappy with doin that sort of stuff. :( - Erissia

Teron Gorefiend
Could he be Teron Gorefiend? Well the body? As he is missing, and when Gorefiend rides off to the Black Temple he is an Orc (An Actual LIVING Orc) But when you fight him he is infact Human with a MACE, a favored Weapon of Paladins! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

Orcish Deathknights use weapons called "truncheons" (sp?) A truncheon is a mace. Gorefiend did not use Turalyon's corpse, sorry. contributed by: Zaltann


 * Try actually reading articles before appointing theories. Gorefiend's human body is a knight from the First War. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh, no, Teron Gorefiend's corpse was SLASHED in two as easy as you slash the wind, he has a point, how the hell did he receive the corpse? Perhaps he FOUND the Corpse, and asked you to bring his Truncheon, etc.

Fact Proven.By the mother moon! and the white Stage! (talk)

Leader of the Alliance?
I know that there isn't a single person in charge of the Alliance at the moment and if there was it's highly debatable who would lead, but if Turalyon did return do you think he would be the one to do it? because he was the commander of the Alliance after Lothar died (Tides of Darkness page 258-259) although I could be wrong, Jaina or Varian Wrynn may be more proper choices. --Genova 05:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know whether he has the skills to rule as a king, but he'd be one of the best choices to lead the Alliance's military. --Austin P 18:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The Supreme Allied Commander could - and, in Lothar's case, did - command the loyalty of the Alliance leaders. Turalyon, as Lothar's lieutenant (and, if I read it correctly, successor), could probably have done the same. Certainly he had Terenas' support, and likely Proudmoore and Varian's as well. Whether he will step in now, since we know he's alive, it's unclear, but I believe both he and Jaina - being basically the "heirs" of the Alliance leadership (Jaina as Daelin Proudmoore's daughter and leader of the Lordaeron survivors during the Battle of Mount Hyjal, and Turalyon as Lothar's right hand and successor) - have the strongest claims to leadership of the Alliance - though I think because of his connection to Lothar, Turalyon probably has the stronger claim.


 * I base this on the fact that Terenas is dead, his son is the Lich King, and all but two of the member kingdoms either destroyed (Lordaeron, Dalaran, Stromgarde), isolated (Gilneas), or betrayed the Alliance (Alterac and Quel'Thalas, though technically you could say in the case of Quel'Thalas, the Alliance betrayed them - or at least what remained of them after the Scourge attack). --Joshmaul 23:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I hope they work on Turalyon's story more because there are still many details about his background that are missing. I believe that his character has the potential for a great story. He definatly should come back and be a major figure against the scourge and burning legion, and hopefully be the Supreme Allied Commander once again. --Turalyon 07:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, although the proposition sounds tempting since the Alliance don't have a strong central figure like the Horde have in Thrall. But then adding a figurehead to the Alliance just feels lame. Like the devs are doing it just because the Horde have it. It makes both of the factions feel more reflective of each other and generic. I certainly wouldn't want the societal and racial unity the Alliance have applied to the Horde. The idea that they're all very different races with different agendas forced to work together because they are outcasts is a defining hallmark of the Horde. If those problems the members of the Horde had to work through simply vanished to remain consistent with the Alliance, it'd be lame. --- Zexx 20:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

That is in a way true, although if Turalyon were to come back, he has the right to return to his postion since he is Lothars successor. I do not want the alliance and horde to reflect one another by having a parallel heroic figure such as Thrall, i just wish they would touch up the stories a bit for the sake of wow lore. The alliance doesnt need one central character, but i do believe that figures such as Malfurion, Turalyon, Alleria, and other heroes should come back in the alliance's time of need in future expansions since they had imporant roles in the past. I am just hoping they make a good story on Turalyon and Alleria because that is something I definitely want to see followed through, but thats a different topic. --Turalyon 07:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Quel'Thalas, though technically you could say in the case of Quel'Thalas, the Alliance betrayed them - or at least what remained of them after the Scourge attack By the time the 3rd war started Quelthalas is not in the Allience as they left the Allience of Lordaeron the same reason Stromgaurde left..although if Turalyon were to come back, he has the right to return to his postion since he is Lothars successor. Another matter is would he want to be The Surpreme Allience Commander again? Anyone would grow weary of battles (and after being stranded on Draenor you think he would want a peaceful life by leaving the military and settling down?(Like the anonymous captain's desires). And after having your own fair share of battles who would not grow out of warcraft? (NO I DON't mean the series I mean warcraft as in the art of war) --The last Alterac 04:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Quick Question
Exactly what language is that on the plaque. It doesn't appear to be Thallassian. Dwarvish? Does anyone know?
 * Of Blood and Honor It appears it is an ancient form of common. I guess you could think of it as their version of old english.Warthok 03:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Dissillusioned?
In "Tides of Darkness" he has some issues regarding his faith in the holy light, and how evil the old horde was, how's he going to react when he learns about the new horde (look at his quotes...)? Xlel 04:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably the same way that Khadgar did, seeing as they both fought alongside an orcish clan in Warcraft 2... --Paulus 14:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I think he is good with his faith now. Because at the time he said that, he did not really no how to use the light. But by the time Lothar died he had a strong presence of the light, stronger than the other paladins, including Uther. --Turalyon 04:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Turalyon Mograines Second Son? What if its HIS Son?
I read that many people belive Turalyon might be Mograines Second son the only one who can wield the ashbringer.

BUT this is a distant idea seeming the fact that Turalyon is probably too old to be his son unless Mograine wus very young wen he was born.If say Turalyon was the second son of Mograine he is lost but it is the blood of a mograine who can wield the ashbringer and if im right Turalyon and Alleria Windrunner have a son which in many respects is a mograine if his father was.

Also Arator (the son) is a paladin in Honor Hold. Fairbanks said THIS son is the purest of all Paladins and is currently in Outland. Arator's title is Arator the Redeemer which is a sign of purity. As Fairbanksdid not specify that it was mograines son he could of meant Mograine's grandson if all the puzzle pieces fit Arator could be a Mograine therefore able to reforge the ashbringer and wield it.

Though it is shown in the next expansion Tirion Fordring wielding the Ashbringer in Valgade which makes a lot of questions spring to mind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * And the purpose of this uneditorial statement? This isn't a forum, you know.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * As you may or may not know, it has been revealed that Mograine's other son is Darion Mograine, Death Knight and leader of the Ebon Blade.  Now, whether or not he is a third son of Mograine is yet to be divulged, it should be taken into account that, since Mograine has been revealed to have fought in the Second War (the same war that Turalyon fought in), he would at the very least be his eldest son.  I, however, personally do believe that there is no relation between them.

Turalyon may be Dead?
As Arator says ''Do your dreams change,(name) Mine do not. I have one dream: A crimson skyline envelops me as Legion, numbering beyond comprehension battle in the distance. I kneel before the body of a man, presumably my father, and weep. As he is gasping for air, his body ***Wholly curshed****, he wispers something. Despite every effort, I am unable to hear what he is trying to tell me. That means, he is / In the near future, Turalyon is dying, and if I recall correctly, he is too, saying that he is in a Crimson sky, and Khadgar too says red as blood'' sky, means crimson-like, That I believe, turalyon,alleria,Khadgar and the others, are stuck with an army against the orcs (and possibly something far greater)and Turalyon dies that day. Khadgar is currently at shattrath, means that turalyon can be dead, that this happened before, or presumably, it will happen in the near future, I believe he is talking about Hellfire Peinunsula, (can bE Blades edge mountains, but presumably Hellfire Peinunsula) then I believe that very soon, we will witness The death of Turalyon,

BUT..he is saying also presumably my father means that It CAN be his father, but presumably him, but could also not be, so I wish to request a change in his status, or continue this discussion.By the mother moon! and the white Stage! 15:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * All your guesses are reasonable and I'd agree until the fact that Blizzard has already stated that he is alive. And if Arator's dream is a premonion... well he's still alive anyway, hehe. Dsmania (talk) 19:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, lets hope so.By the mother moon! and the white Stage! (talk)

Missing Info
There's some important information from the book Beyond the Dark Portal that I couldn't find in the biography. So I'm gona go ashead and add it in. --Morec of Rivendare (talk) 18:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Irony?
Is it worth stating on the page that it's possible he is a prisoner or something? I'm going out on a branch, but he and Alleria have a major hatred for orcs and Turalyon would say that the orcs aren't of Azeroth and should therefore be entirely destroyed. But he took an important orc, Orgrim Doomhammer, as a prisoner and killed the lesser orcs. So, could it be that in a sick, twisted irony that he, being not natural to Draenor (Outland), the orcs' home world, was taken prisoner by Fel Orcs that were once orcs on Azeroth who made it back and recognized him, possibly along with Alleria? --Mykael Mourningsun


 * If there's any evidence as to that being his fate, then yes, but otherwise don't. Pure speculation should be used only sparingly. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Personality
I take issue with the passage under personality where it refers to Turalyon taking mercy on Doomhammer. It seems that he didn't take Doomhammer prisoner out of mercy, but rather that he though death would be too good for him (Doomhammer.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

Priest Class? What?
When was he ever a Priest? he was a Knight, not priest--Knighthonor (talk) 01:55, May 12, 2010 (UTC)