Talk:Second War

Style
Very nicely done Fiendish :) Just wasnted to give my compliments --Tinkerer 12:22, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

This isnt entirely correct...you have a few parts missing (like the fact that Orgrim was about to finish off Lordaeron in 1 final operation, but the treachery of Gul'Dan destroyed that) and you have the part of Day of the Dragon incorrect...Grim Batol wasnt taken until the war was over, and Nekros was trying to rebuild the army in order to start it anew. Lord Prestor didnt happen until then. Overall, quite good, but a few problems here and there (none that really effect the overall outcome, however)--Haddon 03:37, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

Argh, so much editting needed. I just added basic information (source: novel Tides of Darkness and WCII), but there's a lot of grammar mistakes I can't be bothered to deal with right now, sorry! -RampageA

How long did it last?
I'm wondering it because we know that at his very beginning the Silver Hand was formed and now we know through the Ashbringer comic that during the battle at Blackrock Spire, Alexandros Mograine was already a paladin (or at last a warrior wielding healing powers) even though he was not one of the first appointed Knight of the Silver Hand. I think it takes a very long time in order to train as a paladin. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 20:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In truth, the very first paladin's really didn't train to be paladins, many were just knights who where adherants to the Church doctrine. When the calling came, they were promoted into paladins. As for length of the war, you can get an idea from the various timeline.Baggins (talk) 20:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, very likely. This makes Mograine not a full paladin perhaps did he never become one, who knows!? :) --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 21:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure he's a full paladin, in the same way that Uther, Saiden Dathrohan and Turalyon are full paladins. They got promoted at the beginning of the war. As for all the paladins that were promoted, we haven't been given names, but we know new recruits were added in throughout the war. You got recruited into the organization, you don't train to become one. Additionally, a level 1 paladin (to use RPG terminology) with limited skill is still a paladin, as much as the epic level paladin is... Just one is far more powerful than the other.Baggins (talk) 21:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Northrend?
In Day of the Dragon, Krasus (who went to seek Malygos' aid) came across several Orcs frozen by the Aspect and mused how the war got even this far north. Any idea why the Horde would go to Northrend, the Alliance only had few villages there. Gorvar (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Sylvanas?
After the elf king decided to join the war, it's very clear Sylvanas lead their forces, not her sister, so the commanders part should make a change. SLOWPOKE (talk) 18:22, 07 Jan 2010 (PTC)
 * Sylvanas led the forces of Quel'thalas, Alleria led the cadre of rangers assisting the human armies and played a far larger role. You could make an arguement for adding Sylvanas (one i'll back) but theres no reason to remove her sister. 03:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

No, after the elves really joined the war, Alleria clearly stated Sylvanas was "Commander of our forces", she was under her sister's command. Alleria joined the war earlier, but from military view, Sylvanas was clearly the commander of all elf forces. rather than her sister. Alleria only got promoted to captain after this. Sylvanas was the Ranger General. SLOWPOKE (talk) 11:44, 08 Jan 2010 (PTC)


 * I didn't say she wasn't. I said Alleria was far more involved. Alleria may not have been THE commander but she was A commander. Like i said: you can add Sylvanas, but not at the cost of replacing her sister, and i would suggest Anasterain and Magni be added as well to be fair all around. 19:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, we can not decide military issues about who was more involved in the book.

Alleria did not even represent the official order of the kingdom, she just came by her own will, with a few rangers. After the elf really joined the war, Sylvanas's forces definitly was much more important than just her sister's a band of rangers, and these were under her command now.

SLOWPOKE (talk) 11:49, 08 Jan 2010 (PTC)


 * Slowpoke try to understand what i'm saying. It has nothing to do with rank or being the main one in charge. By that logic we should remove Turaylon, Danath, and Khadgar as well. It's about those who had an official capacity in the war. Alleria had an official capacity, she was ranger captain. Her sister should be added, but by no means should Alleria be removed. Take a step back and look at the big picture, do you really think Alleria Windrunner should be removed from a list of commanders in the Second War? No. 19:55, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok I think I misunderstood. I just think Sylvanas should be added and from military view she was more important than her sister. SLOWPOKE (talk) 12:35, 08 Jan 2010 (PTC)
 * Agreed. 20:40, January 8, 2010 (UTC)