Talk:List of mages

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Well, the length of this is getting to the point that it could probably be split by major organizations.Baggins (talk) 18:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

(N&#39;Nanz (talk) 20:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)) sighs! :p

categorization issues
Be careful not all arcane magic users are necessarily "mages". Arcanists for example in lore are not mages, but can become mages as one of their subfields.

Spells that are used by "mage" can also be used by other arcane caster fields.

So in other words if we have clear evidence as to what their "caster type" is based on their NPC class/title, or lore, then that should take precedence. If someone is clearly stated to be a mage, then they should be on this page. If someone isn't but hasn't been given other titles then they could fit on this page as well.

These same rules apply to all other list of pages, death knights, paladins, warriors, rogues, priests, shamans, etc.Baggins (talk) 21:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure. But we can take as mages NPC that have titles like wizards, mages, warmages, battlemages, arcanists (and other terms unreleted to elementalist shamans and arcane warlocks)? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 09:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Just link to those other pages, as "see also" at the bottom. Lorewise those classes are very different. As I said arcanist is not a mage, but arcanists can become mages for example. So we should be going by lore, not lumping things together just because they are casters that use arcane.Baggins (talk)

Ok. I just though it was the opposite with the arcanist as a mage let's say "specialized" in arcane (or pyromancer for fire for example). Do we have to remove all arcanists from the list? Or we wait wotlk developements?" --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 18:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Point of note arcanists are a base class, that can focus into mage, warlock or necromancer classes lore wise. That is an arcanist can be both a mage and an arcanist, but we need evidence first that they are called mages in the lore, or ingame. Battlemages have become a specific class in the rpg. Wizards are a specific class lorewise/and the original rpg. Warmages were a specific class lorewise in the rpg. Also a quote in Cycle of Hatred also split, wizards, sorcerers, mages, conjurers, into seperate groups.


 * Now if you have a single character who is described as both a "mage" and an "arcanist" which may be the case, since many arcanists become mages, then sure list them here and on the other page. We always list multiclassed characters by their known player classes or npc classes on the related pages.Baggins (talk) 19:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Archmage is tricky subject too, since archmages could come from any arcane caster class, arcanists, sorcers, conjurers, mages, wizards, etc. Archmage of Kirin Tor, would be specifically kirin tor and wouldn't have necromancer arhcmagi, or warlock archmagi .Baggins (talk) 19:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "specialized" in arcane"

Well further explanation is that arcane is split into several subfields. Arcane (more or less misc. uncategorized spells), Arcane Fire, Arcane Ice/Water, Arcane Earth, Arcane Air, Arcane Nature, Fel, Arcane Death, etc. So an arcanist could be unfocused utilizing spells from various magic schools. If he chooses to focus into say Arcane Fire, Water, Earth and Air he'd become a mage. If he chose fel, he'd be warlock. If he chose to focus into death related arcane magics he'd be a necromancer. Even still certain spells may still crossover between the various caster types. Rain of Fire for example is a conjurer/warlock spell.Baggins (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Thus we can assume arcanists of the Kirin Tor can become only mages (other than being only arcanists) because the other arcane arts are forbidden by their society? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * They only forbid necromancy and warlocks, for obvious reasons. They have alot of conjurers, sorcerers, wizards, mages, inscribers and arcanists for example. The policy in the game is anything as long as it isn't warlock or necromancer. The game specifies all you really need to become an archmage is to have certain level of arcane spell knowledge, and certain level of knowledge of at least five of the schools of magic (there is like a dozen). Its open to any person that meet those requirements no matter what class they might have (with the exceptions of warlocks and necromancers).
 * "...Necromancer or the warlock are not welcome in the Kirin Tor. In fact, they are lucky to escape the wrath of the archmages alive." Baggins
 * So in other words not all archmagi are "mages".(talk) 19:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Good. I found this informations very useful. Why don't you add them to archmages' article? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 08:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * They aren't already?Baggins (talk) 08:22, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

No, I mean the part about the five on more than twelve arcane school proficiency. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 08:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh well yes I suppose as soon as I convert the lore from the abilities to the page.Baggins (talk) 08:35, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't find them nor in Archamge page, nor in archamage of the Kirin Tor page --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 08:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)