Template talk:Infobox Horde

Black dragons
Add Black Drakes and Black dragon to the race list, the dragonmaw have enslaved some.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, they can have a note under the dragonmaw clan section, but they're not a Horde race. 04:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Same applies to the kobolds and wyverns yet they are on the list, they are a horde slave race.--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Wyverns are not slaves, they mutually work together... and if you want me to remove Kobolds I will then, I wasn't all that into having them on the list as is. 16:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you gunna remove Kobolds doesn't that take out Low Common aswell, what other horde races speak Low Common ?? --ArbiterX122591 (talk) 20:21, 91 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ogres. 02:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Lady Liadrin
Lady Liadrin is as a Horde leader as Tirion is an Alliance one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * Plz use sigs and make new section when appropriate, i don't agree Tirion fused the silver hand and made it into the argent crusade a neutral faction, the blood knights still exist as a faction although allied with Sha'tar and renouced ties with the prince, they didn't renounce their ties with the nation of Quel'thalas and continue to teach blood knights in the horde.--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * She fits the bill of secondary leader perfectly. She leads the Horde's primary paladin sect, and has ties elsewhere too like Hamuul and Malfurion; albeit slightly weaker since the SSO is meaningless now. Unlike Tirion, who was, you know... exiled from the Alliance. Grissom (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I really don't agree. Those who have exiled Tirion (Daelin, Arthas, Teranas and Antonidas) are all dead and the human kingdoms they represented no belong to the Alliance (excepted Kul'Tiras). For instance it's not because the Alliance tried to execute the blood elves (high elves at this moment, racially speaking) that there's no high elves part of the modern Alliance today.

File:LadyLiadrin.jpg Furthermore, as you can see on this screenshot, Liadrin is wearing the Shattered Sun Offensive's tabard, a neutral organization. She was never involved in any Horde global events so I don't think that's relevent to put her in the Horde secondary leaders list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * You're grasping at straws; I don't quite see where this is coming from and your argument is frankly incomparable. Here's the thing - Lady Liadrin leads the Blood Knights. The Blood Knights are a prominent Horde organization with a lot of exposure. If Liadrin was somehow deposed of her rank as Blood Knight Matriarch, then sure, she would have no ties to the Horde. But she hasn't been. She still leads this Horde organization as its supreme leader. That's why she's on the secondary leaders list.


 * And sign your posts. Four "~"s. Grissom (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)