Talk:Kael'thas Sunstrider (Magisters' Terrace tactics)

Rumor or confirmed?
What evidence is there that Kael'thas will be found in the Sunwell? Hekirou 16:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC) I think it's pure speculation.--Odolwa 16:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's speculation. It's educated speculation that has something to it, but it's speculation.  My beef is that this page is here.  Now I truly believe he will be at this instance.  There really is no doubt in my mind that he'll be there.  However, this page is absolutely useless.  What little information we have on it is uncertain.We don't know enough.  Why put up this page when we don't know anything to put on it.  Granted, when he gets put in (and I'm fairly certain he will be), this will save some time, but that will take a in the mean time all this does is take up space. Meneldir


 * Even if he's there, I doubt we will fight him or see him killed. One boss at two different places doesn't make sense. --Odolwa 17:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not like Blizzard hasn't done this before.. You do fight Hakkar twice. Besides, Kael'thas does taunt you for not killing him when you return the Verdant Sphere. My guess is that the players will interrupt him while he's summoning Kil'jaeden. He'll probably either be smacked down like Majordomo Executus or just complete the summoning with his last breath. --Shalkis 04:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed speedy delete tag because we have confirmation in an interview with Tigole (I think tigole) that Kael'thas will appear as boss in Sunwell Plateau, and because the speedy delete tag said it was too early, we should wait for WotLK to come out, but Sunwell Plateau will not be released in WotLK, it will be released in patch 2.4. Knossan 21:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Link plx. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe the Fireball damage might actually be higher - I made an educated guess based on how much HP our tank seemed to be losing when he got hit by one. If someone wants to confirm the values, that'd be great. - Vermain

Imagin He stil survives and becomes an undead felsworn wrenched! 02:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Instead of the Headless Horseman we would have the Headless Blood Mage! Leviathon 02:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Lol,right 02:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Wretched
I dont know; Is it just me, or does Kael'Thas look like a wretched now? ._.;; Lodra 22:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

He is 22:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Could the crystal have been there for a much longer time?
I just checked the images of 'old' Kael and the wretched version. I don't know well how 'old' Kael's chestplate looks from the side, but in the Black temple trailer and the screenshot it looks slightly as if the crystal stuck in his chest for quite some time...--Maibe 00:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking that also since he does have a green glow on his chest on his non wretched model. Leviathon 05:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly my thoughts. I really need to find a a picture that shows him from the side. (modelviewer not working and guild ain't raiding)--Maibe 11:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've been looking at Kael'thas' model, and there is definitely a glow emanating from his chest. At first, I thought it was was from the green decor on his chest, but the glow is definitely sourced behind this, between his breastplate and his neck. A side view of this is hard to get due to his hair, and the damn tracers from his balls obscuring everything in animations --Gordal 17:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but his "felf" new form seems to indicate that he simply erupted like the rest of his wretched allies (but not like the "demonical" blood elves wich got wings and horns who seem a bit more "concerned" about keeping themselves away from uglyness and wretchedness). I'm like suspecting that he ate the third magical orb of his and this rooted and sprouted from his chest. Just a thought. [[Image:IconLarge_Troll_Male.gif]] Ravenore, the Necroshadowmancer 04:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Mhn...isn't the third orb the thing you deliver to A'dal after you killed Kael'thas at the eye?--Maibe 17:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

If he dosnt die
What and were would he be if he still survives?Major legon leeder?Felsworn? 18:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Headless --Gordal 09:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd love blizzard if they would allow him to survive or ressurect somehow.Not very likely but we can dream anyway :) . If he wouldn't die or be ressurected I think he would help fight the lich king and burning legion(Marakanis 18:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC))


 * So does Sylvanas, enthusiastically even, but that doesn't mean the Forsaken are all good people. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Sylvanas help to pwn Arthas. After that, I wouldn't mind if she got killed.


 * As far as Kael'thas is concerned, if he survives after this it will only give Blizzard a chance to warp him further. He now bears little resemblance to the sympathetic character seen in The Frozen Throne. In his first WoW appearance, he'd gone from being an unfairly persecuted hero (or anti-hero), to totally evil. In his second appearance, he's now evil and a Wretched or zombie. What will Blizzard do to him if he comes back a third time? Unless they plan on redeeming him somehow I would rather he just stayed dead. I feel pretty much the same way about Illidan. I would like to see him as a hero again, and if they aren't willing to do that with him I don't want him resurrected.


 * And speaking of Illidan, I really wish that he were around to hear Kael's "mongrel" crack. Because similar to my feelings about Sylvanas, even though Illidan's become very evil himself I would still enjoy seeing him kick the ass of somebody even worse. :D --Illidan Rocks 08:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Idk, him and lork kezzek should survive. 18:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Well if you ask me it seems like the quest that has you take his head might be a placeholder. There is no dialouge for completing it and the quest is for heroic magister terrace where you kill kael (Again) he has new quotes when you fight him in heroic and drops better gear. Seems really strange to have taken his head for a quest to get heroic mode of the instance and to kill him again. Unless his model has no head in heroic (Rofl) it seems like the quest might be edited. --User:Whitedragon254

Strategy Questions

 * Can dampen magic reduce the damage from his Arcane Energy cast every tick? If so, that would result in a reduction of a very significant portion of the damage...
 * In Heroic Mode, Cloak of Shadows does not seem to prevent the Arcane Energy damage. Danleo 20:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

--Jejunus 14:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The text in the main article says his Shock Barrier is identical to the one he uses in TK... in form yes, but I would doubt it can absorb 80,000 damage, so maybe that text should be changed, unless it's true, which would make the instance impossible for a 5-man group
 * When it says its "identical", I dont think it means that it absorbs the same amount of damage, only that it is just the same spell he uses, probably a weaker version that can be DPS'ed down easily by a 5 man.. Still, would be nice to get some confirmation on how much damage the shield does take before it is down.  F D  X  15:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A note should also be written that Kael has the bad idea to Flamestrike himself, then cast the Shock Barrier, then Pyroblast. It happened to us during most of our tries. Danleo 20:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Missing in the strategy section is the fact that when the arcane orbs despawn in phase two and Kael'Thas enters phase three is that he is suffering from a debuff that increases damage taken by 50%. We found it a much easier encounter to have everyone dot him up before phase two and then just all fly far far away from him and concentrate on avoiding the orbs. We used health pots / stones as needed, and then once the orbs despawned and we all hit the ground we just turned a nuked him (heoric mode).  Had to do the orbs twice as phase 2 and 3 will repeat until he dies.


 * Arcane Energy ticks for about 240, not 400 in normal mode - Sheep2045
 * I'd still be interested to know if dampen magic can reduce the per-tick damage on Arcane Energy... that would make the encounter almost trivial. Anyone willing to test?  --Jejunus 04:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Jejunas' and Danleo's suggestions were incorporated before I got here, as was the '50% extra damage in Phase 3' tip. What was eating me was the near-identical nature of "Strategy 1" and "Strategy 2".  So many repeated points were just asking to be condensed down, and so I did.  I didn't see advice on how to place people in the room, so I added that too.  Just about the only assertion I straight-out removed was "He [Kael] also summons Phoenixes as per normal mode, but at an increased number."  This statement is ungrammatical, and it's not apparent what it means.  Perhaps it was saying the rate of phoenix creation is faster?  That's not true.  Is it saying more of them appear total?  Well, that could be, but people will fight longer due to the Shock Barrier.  It's not really Heroic that causes this. JIM 13:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Primal Nether
Does anyone know if Kael is supposed to drop a Primal Nether in Heroic Mode ? Danleo 20:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * With the number of threads on the Bug Report forum I think it's safe to say that he currently does not. Whether or not he is supposed to is another matter, as none of the threads have yet gotten a Blue response on the matter. -- Dark T Zeratul 20:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a response to a ticket I made concerning the Primal Nether question

Primal Nethers are not currently available from Heroic Kael’thas Sunstrider in Magister’s Terrace, this is not considered to be "broken" and should be functioning as designed.

We do apologize, however, if you wish to acquire Primal Nethers you can purchase them off the Auction House, from other players or with Badges of Justice from G'eras in Shattrath City. Additionally the other Heroic instances should still have a chance to drop them.
 * Now does other Heroic instances should still have a chance to drop them mean that Primal Nether are no longer have a 100% drop rate from Heroics? Danleo 17:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Boar's Speed
I would like to pressure for the removal of Boar's Speed from Kael's listed loot table. It is misleading. Boar's Speed likely was found on Kael but it is an Burning Crusade World Drop, not specific to him. It may be that Outlands World Drops of all types may appear on Kael - if that is so, we should note that and that alone, as an anomaly.

If unconvinced by my argument, see WoWArmory. This recipe for | Steelweave is undeniably linked to Delrissa. However, 'both' entries for | Boar's Speed are linked to no-one. JIM 12:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd agree with this. I haven't seen any evidence that Boar's Speed drops off Kael, nor any reason for it to be suddenly made into a boss dropped recipe after being a world drop for so long. Torate 13:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Formula: Enchant Boots - Cat's Swiftness dropped from him for us a few runs back, as a BOP recipe. Heroic, I believe, but I'm not sure.  And I don't know if it was a random drop or if it's part of his loot table.  But maybe he has a chance to drop a BOP Boar's/Cat's feet enchant?  (Coincidentally the husband of our group's enchanter -- who got the Cat's drop -- happened to get the Boar's Speed formula a day or two later, as a non-binding recipe.  Making for one very happy enchanter. ;) --Scrotch 23:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)  addition: see  for a wowhead discussion of the BOP Boar's speed dropping from Kael.  It seems he may also drop world drop DPS potion recipes also. --Scrotch 23:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Just an educated guess, but makes a lot of sense to me - he can drop any world drop recipe (or several of them) but it will be BoP. I myself have seen him drop Vitality the other day, first thought it was just a world drop, but when I saw it was BoP was confused. Seeing Boar's Speed here and by what the above people say, he probably has several such recipes/patterns/formulas, but they're all BoP. Ugljesa


 * Alot of the Patch 2.4 data is incomplete, but I wouldn't be surprised if this recipe drops from Kael... see Formula: Enchant Boots - Boar's Speed on Wowhead which is BoP while I know for a fact that Formula: Enchant Boots - Boar's Speed also on Wowhead is a world drop, since I got it with my enchanter rogue. WOWDB shows this recipe dropping from Kael. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 5:42 PM PST 29 Mar 2008

Wow. Okay. This conversation just gets more and more interesting. Having reviewed the links people provided (thanks, people!) I am convinced that three boot enchants drop from Kael - contrary to my original assumption, I'm not sorry to admit. It remains to be seen what the potion recipes may be. Uh, is it also being said that certain BOE recipes are going to be dropping as BOP's for the rest of time? I seem to remember that being officially announced, but I can't find it. JIM 11:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The world drop versions for Boar's, Cat's, and Vitality are still implemented. Kael was designed to provide an alternative way to 'farm' these enchants since they can be prohibitive to acquire for many players.  To prevent market saturation, the pattern drops from Kael are Bind on Pickup.  The world drop versions can still be exchanged.
 * 16:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Given that a number of BoP versions of BoE world drop patterns have appeared on Kael'thas on Heroic, I too would push for their removal from his loot list, but because I think a note about it would be better. It may or may not be safe to conclude that he can drop all of them - it's too early at this point - but I strongly suspect it is possible.  Adding each individual one to his loot table could quickly become excessive.  Something to the effect of "instead of a primal nether, Kael'thas drops rare world drop plans" would be more efficient.  This also seems to apply to the chance that the instance other bosses have of dropping a nether on normal mode; on my last run, Kael'thas dropped the Cat's Swiftness formula on a normal run. -- Dark T Zeratul 22:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

An Odd Strategy
So I was with a group doing regular MgT, and everyone except our pally tank wipes during Kael'thas's phase 2/3. I released, thinking we weren't going to finish it, run back into the instance, and the next time Kael cast gravity lapse, I was ported into the room! Can anyone confirm this glitch/strategy? Turbine2k5 17:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Fire Resist
I question the comment made on the page how some fire resist may help. I'm a druid tank, with about 19k HP, 74%reduction from armor 5man buffed in normal tanking gear, about T5 equiv. We wiped one time on heroic because the healer could not keep up with his fireballs, since the dps wasn't canceling them. On the next attempted I tried my full 365 fire resist Anetheron infernal tanking gear. 0% resist on all fireballs, and even his pyroblast at my demise (DPS still was not canceling anything -_-;). I believe some fire resist would assist in resisting the Phoenix's hellfire ability, however it has no benefit to a tank. For tanking this I would simply recommend as much +stam as possible.