Talk:First War

I'm not sure where Durotan's murder belongs in the timeline. It may even belong in the entry on the Second War. I know Blizzard hasn't been very good with continuity here (see the entry on Grom Hellscream and the speculation about his age for another example), but in the novel about Thrall's journey from being IN thrall to Warchief of the new Horde, "Lord of the Clans", Durotan was assassinated shortly after meeting in secret with Orgrim Doomhammer, who led the Horde at the time. This either means that the meeting happened during the Second War instead of the first as the manual for Warcraft III says, or simply that Durotan and Doomhammer met during the First War but AFTER Doomhammer's coup against Blackhand. Another indication that Durotan was killed during the Second War instead of the first is that he had met with Doomhammer to tell him about Gul'dan's treachery and manipulation. Doomhammer was convinced and told Durotan that Gul'dan would be dealt with soon, and he was sincere when he said it. It doesn't seem likely that Doomhammer would learn what Gul'dan had been up to in the final days of the First War and then wait until the Second War to go after him.

I know this arguement is fairly old, but I agree. It doesn't seem likely to me that Durotan died during the Fist War. At the very least he died at the end of the First War or at some point during the Second. Warchiefthrall 11:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Second sentence
Where it says "The human kingdom of Azeroth was completely destroyed". Shouldn't it be Arathor instead?


 * Neither really, Stormwind was a Kingdom in it's own right. The eastern continent (then) comprising of Stormwind, Khaz Modan and Lordaeron as well as city states that are mentioned on the Arathor page. --Paynes 21:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Different definitions defining different sized areas of land. See, Azeroth (Azeroth (world), Azeroth (continent), Kingdom of Azeroth), and Stormwind, Stormwind City...Baggins 21:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * But can we agree that to use the term Azeroth here is a bit vague when it not 100% true in any sense. As the entire continent was not taken after the first war nor the southern area of the continent. --Paynes 21:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually alot of sources state that the "kingdom of Azeroth" was taken, :p. Also point of note, Khaz Modan, Lordaeron, and Azeroth are considered seperate continents of the eastern kingdoms. They aren't all considered the same continent in lore.Baggins 21:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes yes, I agree. I take back everything I said here. The current text is correct. Consider Paynes was never here. To the original question then ... the page is correct to sya Azeroth as Arathor was to the north and most definately not taken when the Orcs sacked Stormwind thus ending the First War (hopefully this is true)


 * And I wanted to say Eastern Kingdoms but never considered them to be different continents. Never really thought about the Eastern Kingdom to be split up into continents. --Paynes 22:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, :).Baggins 22:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Blackhand's ascension
Warcraft I tells that Blackhand rose to power during the war, though Rise of the Horde tells that Blakchand was already the Warchief and the puppet of Gul'dan a handful of years before the Opening of the Dark Portal. What should we keep here?-- K )  (talk) 10:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Where did the humans escape?
Where had Lothar led the survivors to Lordearon? I dont see any docks in the maps and my only guess is in current Westfall you see a light house that might've shown docks excisted during the First war. Gorvar (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * They went to Lordaeron. As for how they got there, Stormwind might've had docks back then like it does now. 16:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistencies in the Chronology
"Medivh sends Gul'dan ANOTHER vision" - but there is no earlier reference to a 1st vision.

"Durotan, chieftain of the Frostwolf clan, and his mate Draka seek an audience with Doomhammer and tell him of Gul'dan's betrayal" - what betrayal? Wasn't mentioned before; needs to be explained. Austinlwyman4 (talk) 18:40, September 8, 2010 (UTC)