Talk:Silvermoon City

The Green crystals
In the History section, it states that green demonic crystlas have been erected to power the city. As stated in a mission text on sunstrider isle, the crystals are neither demonic and have also been there since before they even became blood elves. I would hazard a guess these crystals in Silvermoon are the same, since they look identicle. Perhaps it can be re-written, like "Some in the Alliance and the Horde even, believe that the crystals that power Silvermoons magics are demonic in nature, however, these crystals have been present since before the scourge sacking and would therefor not be powered by demonic power". Something to consider. --Nurizeko


 * I decided to add in a minor edit to reflect the information from the quest on Sunstrider Island (I believe it to be the first BE quest actually) since there is A) no proof the crystals are demonic that I am aware of and B) the quest text already identified them as being present long before the scourge and the birth of the Blood Elves. Finally its also known by now that Azeroth Blood Elves aren't heavy users of demonic magic like their estranged Outland cousins. --Nurizeko
 * they could have been around since the Sundering, when the demons first invaded. They are something of a "soul crystal" in the rpg. Usually pulled from someone's body during a demonic sacrificial ritual.Baggins (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you considered that the questgiver may be lying? The crystals are fel-green, filled with demonic fire, and have glowering, sinister eyes. They are referenced in the character creation introduction in terms of "new sources" of Arcane power, which we know was the siphoning of Fel energies from demons, taught to Kael'thas by Illidan, and relayed to Quel'Thalas by High Magister Rommath.  Perhaps crystal arrays were used before to distribute the energies of the Sunwell, and were guarded by mana wyrms.  The green crystals have driven the mana wyrms insane, the lynxes feral and the tenders hostile.  I think there is every reason to assume these are demonic crystals, foremost being their presence in the heart of the Warlock Sanctum.Jubaal (talk) 02:34, October 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Personally, no, I had not considered that. However, it would fill in a rather large but rarely touched upon plot hole. I would call it dangerous to assume that NPCs are lying, but it could be noted as a theory.-- 02:43, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

How Large is Silvermoon????
Blizz Reports that that it will be the largest City in WoW next to Exodar,But really how large?? From Screenshots we've seen it looks pretty big but can we get a a rough guess?I'd guess it would be at least twice as large as Stormwind but then again we will have to wait for blizz to confirm the size of Silvermoon in depth. Hammerdin

At this point it's really impossible to tell. Some previews will say it's huge, others will say it's half the size of orgrimmar. You'd need to ask a tester, but to the extent of my knowledge I believe it will be slightly larger than the average capital User: Mystoksor

Transportation
When you speak to the bat handler (though she's called a dragonhawk handler in text), the option isn't "Show me where I can fly", it's "I'd like to fly to Tranquilien," which indicates that there is only one flight path connection, similar to the single connection between the Exodar and Bloodmist Isle. I'm not yet sure how the area connects to the rest of the Eastern Kingdoms; I haven't seen a boat or zeppelin tower around Silvermoon or Tranquilien.

There is very little benefit to putting in "reasonable assumptions" about beta info such as this, since they so often wrong. There's just no telling what Blizzard is going to do.--Aeleas 16:13, 18 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Apparently there is some sort of teleportation at level 10 between Silvermoon and the Undercity. I used up all of my character copies on Alliance characters, so I won't be able to test it.--Aeleas 16:35, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
 * There is indeed a teleporter to the UC by the Mage Trainers in Silvermoon. At level 5, he tells me I'm too low level.  His name, "Peoreth of the Weakest Sauce", may indicate he is a placeholder.--Aeleas 17:43, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Osrelg, can you confirm the additional flight paths you added to the article? My experience in the beta, as well as other sources indicate there aren't any flight paths out of Quel'Thalas, just the one internal one between Silvermoon and Tranquilien.--Aeleas 01:40, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

The only flight path from Silvermoon City is from the city to Tranquilien. Silvermoon City is connected to Undercity by transporters which are located in the Palace of Silvermoon and in the Ruins of Lordereon on top of Undercity. It doesn't cost anything to use them. The teleporters are not actual NPCs but rather large magical orb-like structures. .--Galawynd 15:02, 5 March 2007 (EDT)
 * The Silvermoon flight path now connects to Quel'Danas, and to the rest of the Eastern Kingdoms once one has discovered the flight path at Light's Hope Chapel in Eastern Plaguelands.Jubaal (talk) 02:48, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea... has for some time... you may wish to look at when that comment was made. 03:10, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Article Name
I suggest moving this page to Silvermoon City, as that is the city's full name both in-game and in most references to it. We already have Shattrath City under that naming style. -- 20:33, 21 January 2007 (EST)
 * It shouldn't. Zone names are inconsistent. Stormwind is sometimes called "Stormwind City" and "Ironforge" is sometimes called "City of Ironforge". Look them up on WoW info sites of your choice.
 * What we should follow is the ribbon title found on the maps. In which case Shattrath City should be moved to Shattrath. --Voidvector 22:53, 21 January 2007 (EST)
 * I suggest we should use "Silvermoon City" for the blood elf capital, and "Silvermoon Ruins" for the quest area including Falconwing Square. Or actually check what the minimap header is in-game, which is what I would do if servers were not down at the moment for routine maintenance. --Jubaal 08:46, 23 January 2007
 * The flags say 'Ruins of Silvermoon' and 'Silvermoon City'. And indeed, they also say 'Stormwind City' and 'City of Ironforge'. -- 13:08, 23 January 2007 (EST)
 * The article should indeed be moved at Silvermoon City. City of Ironforge and Stormwind City are less used in game than Shattrath City and Silvermoon City, justifying the move to Stormwind and Ironforge (At least for Ironforge). -- 07:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)

If this article is called Silvermoon City (which I dislike), the same pattern must go for Stormwind. Though best would be to simply change this article back to it's original name, "Silvermoon". --Odolwa 09:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Guards of Silvermoon
I don't have the expansion, and I would like to know what the guards are called. They look like spell breakers but I doubt they're called that. Mannerheim
 * They're just called "Silvermoon Guard(ian)". --Shandris 01:26, 26 January 2007 (EST)
 * Silvermoon Guardian for the guards in Eversong, and Silvermoon City Guardian for the ones inside the city. -- 08:38, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Two of everything
Does anybody have an idea why there are two banks, auction houses and inns in this city? Ratfox 11:02, 30 January 2007 (EST)


 * It's to help distribute players instead of having them all bunch up like they do in Orgrimmar or Ironforge. Although a good idea (something that would have helped both IF and Org), Silvermoon, in my experience, is so deserted it makes no difference. --Maenos 11:18, 30 January 2007 (EST)


 * I agree that the idea is a good one. The problem with Silvermoon is that it suffers something of the same thing as Darnassus (and Exodar) - it's in the "outskirts" of Horde land, which means it won't be nearly as populated as the other Horde cities on average. What it does do, though, is put Undercity more towards the center of Horde lands. The Forsaken capital is already experiencing a boost in player population. -- 16:17, 30 January 2007 (EST)


 * It's also profoundly annoying to navigate. My map of it is covered in confetti and lines showing the short ways to get anywhere that don't show on the maps...As soon as I could leave that area I was gone, and set my stone to UC. That's probably why UC got the boost, people fleeing the annoyance, and Undercity doesn't look nearly as bad now...--Azaram 06:00, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Female Statues
I tend to think I know a lot about the Warcraft lore... but who the hell are the giant Kael'thas-sized statues of the female elf supposed to be of? I don't recall any really popular female high/blood elves except Alleria, Sylvanas, and Vareesa... and I highly doubt it would be of Sylvanas or Vareesa. Alleria maybe, but... does anyone know if it is someone else? -- Lilythmageborn 09:38, 31 March 2007 (EST)

I am not sure but I assumed that they are there more for the reason that they want to assert the fact that they are highborne, so they put many highborne statues like the ones in Dire Maul around their city, not that it is anyone special.-- 19:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think they are just a generic set of statues. They symbolize priesthood as such or the Farstriders(ones with bows), some may just not have any connection with a specific character of notion. Dancing chicks in the fountain for example. Most notable statues(including ones many ppl never knew about) have tablets below them. ElfElunaAlina 23:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Something about the Guards?
Some of Silvermoon City's guards seem a bit strange. Right after the entrance, there is a Gatewatcher and two guards harassing a citizen, and upstairs in one of the Inn's is a Silvermoon Adept standing above a dead Silvermoon Stillblade responding with "Nothing to see here, citizen." I think there should at least be a small mention of this, as these characters don't look like they have articles here. The names might not be accurate, but it's all from memory. Pyrkinas 03:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The latter is used in Palladin redemption quest. You kill him and then use the Naaru powers to bring him back to life. What's about the girl just near the entrance is a mystery toruring my mind. ElfElunaAlina 23:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The city is shown to be the epitome of peace and order, but in actuality it is controlled and policed strictly. Think 1984, the movie. This idea is reflected by the woman at the enterence being interrogated and if you find a demonstration taking place (forget where), the speakers start saying things that the ruling body would not like said so a mage is summoned and uses some spell to "change their minds" literally. The Silvermoon Guardians (arcane ones) mention randomly that "termination" is the punishment for infractions. Etc etc... MintMazzo 08:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Riding trainer
Where is the trainer that teaches you how to ride mounts? I have hit level 40 and the guards don't tell you where he is, and I have not been able to find him on my own. First of all, does anyone know where he is? And secondly, that info should be added to the article, that's what I was looking for, I'm sure someone else has too. -Kaxx 07:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The article isn't about riding trainers. The article is about Silvermoon City. The article Riding instructors is about riding trainers. Try there. —Pzychotix (talk &middot; contr) 07:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I figured the riding trainer was in the city, in which case this article should mention and link to the NPCs page who trains the riding skill. That's what I meant, plus where are the links to that riding instructor page on the table of contents? I couldn't find it. -Kaxx 07:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It can be found by using the search engine. Don't underestimate it. —Pzychotix (talk &middot; contr) 07:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And in fact the riding trainer / hawkstrider vendor is [i]not[/i] in Silvermoon City, but in Eversong Woods between Shepherds' Gate and Farstrider Retreat.

Strange colors
Hey if I get it corectly then the high elves before Arthas invaded did not favor red so much as to make an entire city with red as we see in the game, is this because of the game mechanics to make it look more like a horde capital? (Marakanis)


 * I do not know, it was green and blue in WCIII. Game mechanics perhaps, but not to look Hordeish.-- 23:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The blood elves like the colour red. What makes you think they aren't able to redecorate? :) 22:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's it, I'm just going to assume that every Blood Elf has a additional and hidden "Interior Design" tradeskill from now on. --Gordal 15:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Well from the looks of Allerian Stronghold, the High Ekves' colors were blue, white and gold. But, the colors of the various High Elven Lodges, are purple, gold and green, maybe a little white and red. Mr.X8 23:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Point of note the construction of the city, and the temples surrounding Sunwell Grove can be seen in Sunwell trilogy Ultimate Edition. The buildings were red even back then.Baggins (talk) 06:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

High Elves
Can we include more about when Silvermoon was a High Elven city? Not just the little blurbs we have now. Mr.X8 20:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course? Do you have that info? 22:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No, but I could look it up. Like maybe some WC3 stuff or stuff from the High Elves' article. Mr.X8 03:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

old silvermoon?
Should we make a page of the High Elf version of silvermoon?The crest is just a blood Knight`s crest just blue outside and silver inside. 23:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Where do you get this?-- 23:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Silvermoon Crest Shield 23:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Graphics recycling perhaps?-- 23:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * We have had this discussion earlier, but we aren't sure what the old high elves emblem is exactly. There have been many emblems given for the high elves and many show up in game even. Including the unicorn.Baggins 23:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe,I think I saw The silver bird blue outside somewhere else 23:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the silver & blue phoenix is somewhere in Allerian Stronghold.  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Actualy it might have,but I dont remember 19:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Silverymoon
Anyone think its possible, likely, or worth mentioning the...similarities between Silvermoon City and Silverymoon, the capitol city of the Silver Marches in DnD? There's the name, obviously, the fact that they are both elven capitols, cities renown for magic, so forth and so on.Tweak the Whacked 05:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

"...call it Delaware!"
When I read that bit of info I laughed so hard because I live in Delaware!--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 00:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Exploration: Getting There Is Half The Pain
While trying to get the Exploration achievements, I had trouble getting credit for this particular subzone. Rightly so: I'm Alliance. And those two 70 Elite guards had me thinking that there were probably more that I wasn't seeing.

So I made a Blood Elf on another server and ran her over there to explore without being attacked. Bingo! The Shepherd's Gate is just like the entrance to one of our keeps; you walk almost to the wall, turn left or right, then follow the hallway in a half-square to the exit on the other side of the bulkhead. So I rode in, ignoring the damage, and swung around the rectangle, then rode till I lost aggro and Hearthstoned out. Amusingly enough, another Ally followed me, perhaps taking advantage of all my aggro-grabbing.--ClemSnide (talk) 10:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Is this a guide on how to enter Silvermoon's gate?-- 18:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's just like the ones in Magister's Terrace. We really shouldn't need a guide for something as simple as this. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:13, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Back when I first explored Silvermoon City, I just went around the back and jumped over the wall onto some roof and then down to the floor into the destroyed section of Silvermoon City. LOL Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 07:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

ruins
Are the Ruins of Silvermoon different than the ruins of Silvermoon City? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 06:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

It's half the city, that hasn't been repaired yet.Baggins (talk) 06:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I put "Silvermoon was a major region of Quel'Thalas which included the Ruins of Silvermoon..." and you changed it to "Silvermoon was a major region of Quel'Thalas which included the Ruins of Silvermoon City..." which makes it look like there is a place called "Ruins of Silvermoon City" when there is not. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Point of note, actually at the time of Lands of Conflict all of Silvermoon City was in ruins, there was no specific area called "Ruins of Silvermoon" at the time. Context, context, context.Baggins (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Does it really even matter if is "Ruins of Silvermoon" or "Ruins of Silvermoon City"? Silvermoon IS a city, there is no difference between both. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 12:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Horde funding?
Guessing off the repairs still going on around Silvermoon, i'm guessing it must cost a lot. Anybody wondering where they got the money from? Did Thrall feel sorry and decided to donate 5000 gold to the Silvermoon banks? Gorvar (talk) 14:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why money? they conjured the materials :P Pudim17 (talk - contr) 19:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Population
The population of the Blood Elves is nearly ten times bigger than that of the High Elves, so if the HE population is 25000, the BE should be around 200-250 thousand people. There are some places apart of Silvermoon City inhabited by BE, but it’s clear that this huge city must have most of the BE people. If we base our argument in the dates of the lore, the population of Silvermoon City should be around 200,000 --Miklagard (talk) 18:51, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, that's interesting:
 * The high elves were once a significant force on the continent, but in recent times their numbers have been dramatically reduced, 90% of their race was slaughtered in the Third War. Following this, another 90% of the survivors changed their name to "blood elves" in remembrance of their fallen brethren, and no longer consider themselves high elven. Around 25,000 true high elves remain, most of whom cling to the Alliance trying to restore the glory of their once great people.
 * OK, so it's about 25 000 of HE in the world (that's true, because only Stromwind contains approx. 20 000). So, according to another 90% of the survivors changed their name to "blood elves" the total number of survivors is 250 000 (225 000 BE & 25 000 HE). But wait, that means there were 2 500 000 high elves before the Third War (cause survivors are also just 10% of former entire nation)! Which is absolutely ridiculous.
 * So I think it should be considered this way:
 * 90% of Quel'Thalas denizens were killed and 90% of survivors from this slaughter called themselves Blood Elves. Not counting HE 'outside' at all.
 * Than, perhaps there were about 500 000 of HE before Scourge invasion (we don't know the numbers, so that's just an example), 50 000 survived, 5000 remained HE. These 5000 joined other HE (~ 20 000), and so, there are 25 000 HE now. The weak point in such calculations is that number of BE is just 45 000, which is not much in comparison to 25 000 HE.
 * But I can't find any other normal explanation at least for now. --Dracula5 (talk) 4:30, August 01, 2010 (UTC)