Talk:Rhonin

Arator
I added Arator in the "relatives" section to keep things coherent with Arator's page. --DarthMuffin 19:54, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

Rhonin
I never saw Rhonin as a major character in the novels. Even in Day of the Dragon he lacked the resources and such of a true hero/adventurer. I personally would've enjoyed it more if it was Krasus/Korialstrasz or some other creature taking that role. Anybody agree? -- TheOneCalledRed - 2nd of December 06'


 * I disagree. If anything I loved the character and his values. The hidden backstory of his previous mission, the choices he makes, his personality. Krasus is nice and all but he is rather one minded in my opinion throughout the books. (Sern 00:24, 12 March 2007 (EDT))

Agreed. Rhonin was more human of a character. You are never really sure of what he's going to do or how he is going to react. He's not the classic political mage. Rannulf 07:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Rhonin
I doubt it, but; the 2.0.1 patch revealed much more of the interior of the Caverns of Time, including, a pair of blood evles, both in adult and child form, by the names of Andormu and Nozari (Names of which relate to Nozdormu, the Timeless One) and they are, acoording to their viewable conversation, brother and sister, can they possibly be the twin children of Rhonin?

Nozari: http://www.wowwiki.com/Nozari

Azdormu:http://www.wowwiki.com/Andormu

-Benser, 10th Jan '06

No, as they are dragons.--Maibe 17:10, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Page Revamp!?
I so badly would like to redo this page in the style that other major characters of books are done. That is the info on: - Erissia
 * War of the Ancients
 * Second War

Surname?
So, does anyone remember his actual surname? I only found how the paladin called him Redhair, but i KNOW that, as I red DotD the first time I frowned over the paladin getting the surname wrong in his rage...But I can't find the other name...--Maibe 19:19, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Also, Cenarius calls him Rhonin Redhair in one of the well of eternity book. Darigaaz the Igniter 22:27, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

I've read each novel several times, and I honestly can't remember him being given another name. Lame as it is, even given how last names usually sound in Warcraft, I think it is his real last name. He never states it, but Cenarius could've known from when he and the other demigods probed his mind. I put the name on his profile, but it's been removed. --Austin P 09:07, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

The fact its capitalized and not just lower case makes it as much of a name or title as any paladin surname or title. Uther the Lightbringer, or Uther Lightbringer anyone? I say it certainly diserves to be put as the main article name as well as in the infobox.Baggins 03:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I had put it in the infobox twice, but Ragestorm removed it. I figured he had his reasons, so I just put the citations at the bottom of his profile. --Austin P 15:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Ya, thanks for the citations I came across it myself during reading Day of the Dragon yesterday, thought it was worth adding if we are to follow standards we have adopted for full names/titles.Baggins 15:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, what edition are you reading that it's used on page 75? It's not in my copy. Second, I removed it (prior to citations) because it was Cenarius who called him that in The Sundering. If there's a human character who uses it, that's better evidence, but I don't think that's enoguh evidence to change the pagename. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 00:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

First edition. And it's not 75, it's 72. --Austin P 15:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * True evidence, definetly. Still not enough to change the pagename in my book. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 15:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently Sinestra refers to him as Rhonin Redhair in Night of the Dragon (the single reference in the book). What is this? One reference to Rhonin Redhair per series?Baggins (talk) 03:01, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Mary Sue

 * Non-editorial discussion moved to Talk:Rhonin/Mary_Sue. Please note that this discussion has been CLOSED by order of the Head Bookkeeper. -_ Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 

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Why is he under Alliance?
Just about everyone has figured out that Rhonin is infact Nuetral, why is he listed as Alliance?


 * Because he was Alliance until recently, and these pages don't magicly update themselves you know. Go ahead and edit it. 03:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He still considers himself as part of the Alliance if you read from the novels but like Jaina have no ill feelings towards the Horde. They put him neutral so Horde players can do his quests.

If Rhonin Now Leads the Kirin Tor...
...then is Ansirem Runeweaver out of a job? He's been described as the "leader of the Kirin Tor" until Rhonin was tapped as the leader of the new Dalaran. --Joshmaul 11:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The way i see it theres different possibilities. We misinterpreted it. He wasn't really leader, just leader of the reconstruction. I doubt this since i'm almost sure the mmo and rpg calls him ruler of dalaran verbatim. He could have died. Notice theres an area in Dalaran named after him. Possibly in memorium. Of course Krasus' Landing (if it's not an literal landing spot for the dragon) is named after someone living so he isn't nessesarly dead. Plus the npc (unless they switched it out) needs to remain in Dalaran for the quest, which, along with Rhonins poularity is a good reason for why he was traded for leader. Maybe he passed the mantle to Rhonin, refusing more 'terms', if such a thing exists, as ruler. 12:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know if Rhonin's in the beta yet, but it'll probably be explained. Also possible that Rhonin's just in charge of the efforts against Malygos (given his connection with the dragons), and that Ansirem is still in charge of the nation.
 * Warthok, what do you mean "Rhonin's popularity"? Every Warcraft fan I've ever spoken to about him, here and elsewhere, are either ambivalent or hate him. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rhonin is in beta, but doesn't give any gossip options. 14:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Lemme rephrase that. That he's well known, unlike Runeweaver. His unpopularity has gone down drasitcly lately however. It seems its no longer cool to jump onboard that bandwagon. 14:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank Elune for that, he's only really that Mary-Sueish on two occasions. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

If Rhonin or someone doesn't discuss it themselves in game, then they're probably waiting for night of the dragon to go into it. Somehow I doubt Rhonin's just "Incharge of the northrend expidition", since they're moving the whole city state there.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 05:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, the quote is "in charge of the Northrend expedition" Note the space between the in and the charge, the capital N and the correct spelling of expedition (same goes, Night of the Dragon, not night of the dragon). Second, they're not moving the whole city-state there, just the whole city. The state bit of it is right where was. Third, you're probably right. Fourth, this discussion is now officially non-editorial and will be terminated. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Rhonin Goldhair?
So Rhonin Redhair is now blonde? Way to go, guys... Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that. That's really screwy. --Joshmaul (talk) 00:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Reddish-blonde tops.-- 01:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

How could they confuse red with yellow? He also looks idiotic with that grumpy-looking mouth. Not to mention that he looks more like a Warrior than a Mage. I don't get how they could mess this up! =S Now we might aswell give Arthas pink hair and Thrall purple hair.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 22:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Guess who made one too many visits to the barbershop... I'm telling you, those goblins aren't to be trusted. 22:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * His hair is not yellow. I'll agree is could be a darker shade of orange, but it's certainly not yellow. 22:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly, it's gold. Which is by no means red. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]] Xavius, the Satyr Lord  18:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)¨

Xavius got it right. Here is a link depicting how the gold-colour looks like: http://www.ruraldelivery.net.nz/absolutenm/articlefiles/322-gold%20colour%20bkg%20lge.jpg. It's identical to Rhonin's hair colour!--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 08:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Classification
Shouldn't Rhonin be classified as an Archmage by now? I know he isnt reffered to as such directly but it's preatty safe to assume the leader of Dalaran would also be in the ranks of the Archmages. Amirw (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well not necessarily. There are other ways to "prestige" power, archmage is just one path.Baggins (talk) 10:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Debatable, but he is officialy known as the ruler of Dalaran, can't imagine they would give it to anyone who isn't considered an Archmage. Much less add him into the Six. Amirw (talk) 11:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Also there is a possible difference between Archmage by class and an archmage by occupation. One is an honorary title, the other is well player class, :p...Baggins (talk)


 * And still yet i think it's safe to say he is the former if not the latter, why can't i mind control people godamnit? :( Amirw (talk) 11:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Eh, pointless arguement anyways, Dark Factions already confirms he is an archmage at the point that book takes place. I apparently added the reference earlier and forgot all about it... I cited it now to avoid future confusion.Baggins (talk) 12:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

dragonheart - surname or title?
Rhonin is described as "Draig'cyfaill" as his surname in Night of the Dragon, which means Dragonheart in the dwarven tongue (which I assume since both words are first mentioned by a dwarf) and it appears that this is a name now established for Rhonin as "the legendary wizard", although i'm not sure whether he holds that name or title only within the dwarven society or everywhere on Azeroth.

Since no surname has been given so far and Redhair is still up for discussion, should the name Dragonheart be added as Rhonins name or at least as his title? I don't think the name Redhair is retconned, since the book states clearly that Dragonheart is a name "by which many now called the legendary wizard".

so, should the name in some form be included?


 * I'll get back to you when I get my claws on the book myself- it should go as a name if a surname or title if an epithet. -- Ragestorm  (talk &middot; contr) 02:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * He is called Redhair again in the book. Dragonheart is very clearly presented as honorary title given to him by dwarves, and certainly belongs in the article but not as part of his name or the page name. I'll let you read it yourselves but the form in which Redhair is used makes it pretty clear its his surname. 05:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I hope so, the previous evidence was extremely unconvincing. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 06:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

"Redhair" sounds more like a nickname than an actual surname to me though.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 21:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Drag'cythail is a title. Its mentioned twice in the book. Once its mentioned that many are now calling him that based on his previous heroic actions. It doesn't specify who the many are, though a dwarf is the one that acknowledges that many are calling him that. The other time its mentioned the book implies that Malygos gave him the title, and that Rhonin is the only magic using human he could respect. Paraphrasing from memory here.


 * Sinestra makes the obligatory single reference to Rhonin Redhair, that seems to be a trademark in each Knaack series that Rhonin appears in. the statement was something like, "Very good, Rhonin Redhair".Baggins (talk) 21:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

3.1. Update
Since 3.1, Rhonin's character model in Dalaran actually now has red hair. Can someone get a new screenshot? --Nihil Morari (talk) 07:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I took this picture in WoW just now. I don't know if its any use at all, but it confirms the changed hair colour. Also on comparing this with the older image, I believe the skin colour has been changed to a paler hue. Heljak (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Page name
Per naming policy shouldn't this page called Rhonin Redhead and the page Rhonin redirects there and not the opposite? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 08:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

A Downsized Rhonin
Is it just me or does Rhonin Redhair play an extremely minor role in the overarching storyline of Wrath of the Lich King. All he does is give players a quest that leads to the Violet Hold and ends the Algalon quest chain from Ulduar. After being displayed as a practically godlike character by Chris Metzen, I just expected him to have a bigger or at least slightly more substantial role in Wrath gameplay and lore.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 22:17, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * He was never really "godlike," mostly just lucky. At his best, during the War of the Ancients, his power increased substantially due to the presence of the Well of Eternity. But yes, you're right, his role is extremely minor. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:20, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I realize that he is not really godlike, that is just how Metzen portrayed him. I'm just pointing out Blizzard could have done a lot more with him and the Kirin Tor in general. It seems that Mister Fordring and his argent allies are getting all the spotlight. P.S. I'm not trying to compare Rhonin to a Mary-Sue I'm just trying to spark an interesting conversation on why he isn't used that often in WotLK.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 22:25, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this is more the matter of Blizzard taking Knick-Knaak's god-like characters and knocking them down to size. (Yeah, they authorized the books, but still.) --Joshmaul (talk) 22:42, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting theory. Here's to hoping he helps out with Icecrown Citadel.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 22:45, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the Kirin Tor were mainly there to deal with Maylgos. The Lich King is the real threat of the expansion, and the Argent Crusade is the primary force against them. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:07, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dark T said what i was thinking. I think too much is being read into Rhonin's minor role, and some wishful thinking might be sneaking in. His purpose was to be leader of Dalaran whose main concern was Malygos and story surrounded the blue dragonflight and their working together with the Wyrmrest Accord. He did get involved a bit with Ulduar and of course he, the Kirin Tor, and even the dragons are all somewhat involved in the assult on Icecrown Citadel, but they are far from being front and center, which is the argent crusade's real purpose. 04:27, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Ulduar
I don't think he invited Garrosh. Why would he? BobNamataki (talk) 16:02, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * He likely didn't invite Garrosh. Its most likely that he just invited Thrall and Garrosh was just Thrall's guest, considering he is the Horde military commander in Northrend.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 01:56, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

The WOW intro...
In the World Of Warcraft intro you can see a mage fighting an Infernal, couldn't the mage be Rhonin? Theyre both mages, they share some resemlings...

Relation to the Argent Tournament
Is it possible, that because of the failure between the Horde and Alliance to cooperate to tame Ulduar, and the disaster at the Wrathgate, that it was in fact Rhonin who sought the assistance of Tirion Fordring as a method to bring the two factions back together through the Argent Tournament? --Venixer (talk) 00:53, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's theoretically possible purely in the sense that nothing says he didn't, but since there's no evidence whatsoever that he did either I don't really see any merit to this theory. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:54, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm simply looking at cause and effect. It seems that the Argent Tournament was just a way to bring the Horde and Alliance back to working together. Tirion's words during the scripted event states that he will not tolerate fighting under his roof when he greets Thrall and Garrosh. True this isn't directly an admittance that it was Rhonin who wanted this to happen, but it seems a little too coinsidential, that after the falling out between the two factions, and the brawl in Dalaran, that another major power and leader, Tirion steps up to unite them again. --Venixer (talk) 22:02, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the primary purpose of the tournament was to separate out the strongest fighters so they could be sent to Icecrown. Simply sending in everyone was a very poor idea, because the weak ones would just get killed and raised as Scourge, making it much more difficult for the rest of the army. Ultimately, while this is a nice theory it has no basis whatsoever in lore, so it can't go in the article. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:28, July 10, 2010 (UTC)