Talk:Khadgar

Khadgar in The Burning Crusade
I added a few lines to the section "Khadgar and the Burning Crusade" in the wake of Kaplan's confirmation that all the heroes from WarCraft II will make an appearance. I also added some specualtion of what he might be/do. I believe that the first part of the section should be removed, as it is obsolete now. I will leave it until someone else agrees with me though. As a side note, I really hope that they get rid of the Gandalf-like appearance shown on the statues, and that the in-game Khadgar will look like the real Khadgar we all came to love (a bit older, of course). --DarthMuffin 22:12, 16 September 2006 (EDT)


 * I'll try to fix it tomorrow. thanks for the heads-up, just what we want to see. --Ragestorm 22:34, 16 September 2006 (EDT)


 * I ended up editing it myself. I mostly rearranged the references to make everything a bit more coherent.  Feel free to further edit to your liking.  --DarthMuffin 17:34, 23 September 2006 (EDT)


 * No, you did a good job. My plate, both on the wiki and off, had been quite full, so thanks for the help. --Ragestorm 19:52, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

Picture
What in the Nether hppened to his infobox picture? It's supposed to (and according to the text, still does) show his face from a WC2 cinematic, not the WoW screenshot!--Ragestorm 10:05, 24 October 2006 (EDT)


 * It does now :) There's nothing more annoying than replacing an image that way... -- Kirkburn  (talk) 11:41, 24 October 2006 (EDT)

Rift question
I haven't played Warcraft II: The Dark Portal, so I'm putting my ignorance out there to start with. However, I have a question about the "rifts" that Khadgar ushered his companions into when Draenor was destroyed. Since Outland is simply shattered pieces of Draenor, what were these "rifts" and where did they lead to? I understand that Ner'zule opened up a bunch of portals to escape, thereby tearing Draenor apart in the process, but I was under the impression Khadgar simply hitched a ride on one of those floating pieces instead of going through some portal to who knows where and then somehow ending up back on Draenor's remains. 15:33, 16 November 2006 (EST)


 * It's clearly established in the epilogue that Khadgar entered one of the portals (don't know where "rift" came from) Ner'zhul opened, just before the planet was torn apart. Assuming that the laws of physics still hold, there's no way they would have survived- the chunks didn't drift apart, the planet exploded. It appears that the Expedition met the Naaru wherever it was that they went, and then returned to Outland when they realized its value. --Ragestorm 15:56, 16 November 2006 (EST)


 * Assuming the explosion was so fatal that they would have died, it's odd that there's any life left on Outland. However, I do agree it's possible he met the naaru and returned to Outland later. As long as it's clearly established that he went into a portal at some point before the destruction of Draenor in some official form, that clause is fine in my opinion. 16:48, 16 November 2006 (EST)


 * Admittedly, the Alliance on Azeroth might not have known, but that's what's established in the Beyond the Dark Portal epilogue.--Ragestorm 19:07, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Accepting Outland in the first place is already a giant suspension of belief for a bunch of scientific laws. For example, if Outland is just some floating chunks, how could it support such a diverse array of environments and still have enough gravitational force to keep moons circling around it?

My guess is that rift they entered was probably just retconned out, or that it was rather a safe haven of some sort to shield Khadgar and the Alliance Expedition.. But then that wouldn't explain how the indigenous life there still managed to survive. I hope we'll see more information on how Outland manages to exist once more info comes out.--Grid 17:37, 17 November 2006 (EST)


 * There are some quests or history you can look at ine xp that imply the rift from what I've heard from talking to people. Someone even showed me some links to screenshots. Apparently Khadger and his entourage actually did jump through a rift, and traveled around the twisting nether from world to world for a while. The then found some allies, Naaru as I recall, who they convinced to come back with them to help save Outland.Baggins 17:42, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Khadgar's age
It is implied that Medivh turned back the effects in The Last Guardian, page 308. Perhaps someone could double check?

I'll double check when I get home, but could you point out the implication? I read the book twice when writing that stub.--Zexx 02:48, 4 February 2007 (EST)

Who knows ....if he's still suffering from that aging spell then maybe there's gonna be a quest that will take u back to Medivh to help him be young again (although this type of quest should be after a while if Khadgar suffers from old age)so he can battle the Legion and the Scourge better.....at least i hope so because i always imagined Khadgar more of a Battlemage then and Archmage like he's in WoW (Marakanis 01:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)).

He was described as a battle-mage in The Last Guardian, wielding a sword as red as blood, wearing chain mail armor over his Dalarani Robes. I would imagine his fighting style to be sort of like Peter Jackson's Gandalf. --Invin Dranoel (talk) 17:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Retconned as Medivh's Appentice?
This was something I was wondering about but was Khadgar retconned into Medivh's appentice? The Beyond the Dark Portal manual simply describes Khadgar as a powerful archmage within the Kirin Tor who destroys the Dark Portal. It isn't until The Last Guardian that Khadgar is shown being taught by Medivh. Now a retcon is defined as "the deliberate changing of previously established facts in a work of serial fiction." In this case Khadgar, who previously had a very general background, is suddenly the apprentice to the most powerful archmage in Azeroth (and participates in killing him). This feels like a retcon to me. However, rather than contradict previously known facts, this change helps fill a hole in Khadgar's background and makes him a more interesting character. (Omega2010 (talk) 09:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC))


 * It isn't technically a retcon, more an expansion. Khadgar is Dalarani by nationality, and was sent by the Kirin Tor to become Medivh's apprentice, and was a powerful wizard within their power structure by the time of the Dark Portal. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 15:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Khadgar as a Guardian
I think that Khadgar should be new Guardian of Tirisfal, not Thrall or Med'an(who is a BIG mistake imo). He's powerful archmage and (what is most important) former aprentice of last Guardian Medivh. Medivh don't trained him for nothing after all. What do you think about that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Med'an is the Guardian. WoWWiki can not change that, and must report it as such.-- 15:40, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Possession
At points both Tides of Darkness and Through the Dark portal talk about a ring of understanding. That lets Khadgar understand languages he doesn't know. Does anyone know if Khadgar still has this. And if so has the proper name so it can be added. Mattyankees (talk) 03:56, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Was General Turalyon Retconned out of the Leadership of the Alliance Expedition?
Just wondering. Because Khadgar page no longer mentions him--Knighthonor (talk) 09:23, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * reads, "Turalyon and Alleria, wherever you are, may you be well." Also, nothing I've read so far has hinted at that.--Blayaden (talk) 14:47, August 29, 2010 (UTC)