User talk:Sky2042/Archive 1

Wiki conversions
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Bracers of the Green Fortress
Hey thanks for fixing my wiki on the Bracers of the Green Fortress. I did look at the Boilerplate:Item and it didn't really help much as far as the layout goes. After you fixed my wiki I now understand what the point of the Boilerplate is, when it originally seemed very confusing.(Maybe I'm just a moron ;-P). I just wanted to get the wiki up there so I could link to it from my server's rare crafting page. However, now I can actually link to something that looks like it took more than 5 minutes to create.--Flop 00:48, 2 March 2007 (EST)

BC DPS Equipment (cloth) vs. BC Priest DPS Equipment
Some time ago you moved BC Priest DPS Equipment to BC DPS Equipment (cloth), stating that this equipment is not exclusive to priests. Well, I think you are wrong. First: there are no swords there (mages and warlocks can use them, but priests can't). Second: there is some stuff with Shadow Damage (e.g. Boots of the QShifting Nightmare) there, which leaves mages out (it's only for priests and warlocks). And last but not least: there are parts of Incarnate Regalia (T4) and Avatar Regalia (T5) sets there, which are priest only. To sum it all up: I think we should move this page back to BC Priest DPS Equipment. -- Vysogota 15:18, 3 March 2007 (EST)

KasoBot
Very much a work in progress =P Just playing around seeing what i can come up with.--Kaso 15:53, 10 March 2007 (EST)

thanks
thanks for noticing my crappy new entry based on c&p, will make use of the template you linked me to in the future - Nathanyel 16:13, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

testing sig
User:Sky2042 (talk) 02:47, 17 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Sig fever! -- 02:59, 17 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Indeed! Sadly, I just copy/modified someone else's sig =/.  15:25, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Server:Barthilas US
Recently the user User:Distant Vandalised a page under Server:Barthilas US - he also made changes to a guild progression table of which you were the last editor. Could you please ensure those changes were correct and not valdalism, thanks 11:43, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks 2
Thanks for fixing random words in our article about magnus :))

RC Patrol
Well, I did what you asked me to and checked that patrol option, but I don't see much difference tbh. What are this little red exclamation marks for, actually? -- Vysogota 23:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks!
I'd like to say thanks for your work on the Doomguard split. If you'd like to work on other Warlock pages, I've started a project at User:DuTempete/Warlock project, and we're welcoming any assistance at all. =P -- 09:22, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the help on the warlock stuff... You are great and/or awesome.--Sandwichman2448 19:58, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

In an unrelated subject... Thank you!--Sandwichman2448 17:34, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Ability Infobox
I can add more links no problem. I'm going to flesh out some more mage talents tonight. --Piumosso-Uldum 23:05, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Questbox and external links for quests
Noticed the What Are These Things name change and addition of external links section. Personally, I didn't think the external links section was necessary, as the questbox template adds links in the "see also" section of the quest box. Whatever you find useful, though. I'll check for links that may have become broken due to the move.--Eirik Ratcatcher 19:48, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
 * If you actually look at the history of the template you'll find that I was the one that added in the External links section for the Quest Box... 09:15, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Had no complaint about the template, Kiltek! :)  And no worries about the additional External links section, Sky.  If you missed it, others will to.   Leaving that there.  I DID, though, go back and reroute all the links to the former page to the moved page name instead of relying on the redirect.  There weren't that many, and it seemed neater. --Eirik Ratcatcher 12:59, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Mage talents/abilities
Hi there. I've had my eye on updating most of the mage stuff, since it was mostly stubs and inconsistent content. I figured I'd start with something simple at the "leaf node" pages like talents, but I can cover the abilities/spells while a new talent boilerplate is being made. The new ability layout is much better than the old. I'll post my thoughts on a "good" ability page over on Talk:Boilerplate:Ability --Piumosso-Uldum 00:11, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Casual Gamerz looting system
We actually use SK for groups of 20+. I personally expect to run some 40 man runs again at some point, but it might be another 6 months or so. I still want to get into Naxx and BWL, and with all the 70s in my guild we will be able to at some point do them fairly easily. As far as changes to it, I am actually thinking about changing it to be used for any 20+ raid or level 70 10+ raid.

As for how SK works for us, It works pritty well. We have had arguments in the past over it, but with the release of the BC, we have not used it sence. I plan to restart the SK lists with no one in them fairly soon. Most of the arguments that we had in the past were over how people were added to the list and what class got what items. Whether the item went to a class list or to the general list was the main question most times.

Bcarticle -> bc
Ok, cool. I Actually liked the way the Bcarticle template was putting in the note, but either was is fine by me. I will continue correcting pages that do not have the bc template call on them as I find them. 19:08, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I have to admit that I did prefer the way Bcarticle labelled things, but it's not a big deal - I can quite happily live with the Bc template, and agree it's almost certainly better to not have 2 templates for the same purpose. I have amended your bot request to include moving T:Bc up to the top of articles, as some item articles have  after the tooltip, and the result of this change breaks the formatting a bit. --Murph 22:16, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I thought about requesting that... it's about time that that should be done again (It is a request from a while ago). I also like the idea of ; however, it breaks more important templates such as wikipedia :). Not only that, but the verbage used on T:Bc was very explicitly thought over by the crew, which is another issue I had with bcarticle. --User:Sky2042 (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Buffs inside the infobox
Consider: User:Piumosso-Uldum/Sandbox1 --Piumosso-Uldum 22:59, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I'm going to work on the whole infobox a bit more. There's a parser functions issue that makes it not work well with the pipe code in tables, so some embedded templates are unavoidable.  But I can move the parameters to the main template and do the embedding in the code rather than the explicit method now.  --Piumosso-Uldum 23:50, 7 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Check in now. --Piumosso-Uldum 00:33, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
 * BONUS - I got rid of the pesky blank fields for un-talented abilities. The switch is just to catch the special cases, like the disambig for Magic, and I think Magic is the only one.  Putting curse or poison in the template already links to an appropriate article, so the default case catches those.  Either way, if an article like curse gets moved to Curse (Dispel Type) I still have to edit the template. --Piumosso-Uldum 00:51, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Putting the image on the right in the box would be consistent with other tooltip things on wowwiki, like for items. I am tired so I will try that tomorrow. --Piumosso-Uldum 01:29, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Be careful changing parameter names. It will break pages that already use it, requiring unnecessary edits. --Piumosso-Uldum 00:27, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
 * When it comes to code, underscore_style, CamelCase, and other styles is akin to British vs. American english. One style has no logical benefit over another other than personal preference (consistency aside), and everyone has their own preference.  I only change variable names if the name itself is bad (ambiguous or misleading).  Otherwise, I just follow what the programmer in front of me does. Years of software development has taught me to stay out of religious wars. --Piumosso-Uldum 00:51, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

More infobox
For PBAoE, I've just been putting the radius in the range field, but a distinct radius for ground-targeted spells would be helpful, there are a lot out there. It works for some odd things like the arcane brilliance and other group buff which have mechanics that use a similar radius distinct from the spell range. Same with seed of corruption. Piumosso-Uldum 21:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Short Stories/Novel Template
There are many sources of "short stories" the RPG books are one of them. While quote or section of article may have a citation to an RPG book, sometimes the info comes from the short stories rather than actual RPG material. Thus the novel template is used to point out that info is from a short story rather than just an rpg material. I haven't completed the "short story" article, but as you notice it contains synopses or links to all short stories found throughout various sources including strategy guides, rpg, and websites, etc.Baggins 10:48, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Server layout
I like your layout for Server:Shadowmoon US, I hope you don't mind if I steal the layout for Server:Magtheridon Europe in a near future. ;) -- 11:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the info, however I couldn't find any info about the dotted underline belonging to admins in WP:SIG. But I removed it nontheless. -- 08:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete/Talk
The current implementation of Delete/Talk doesn't work correctly if you use the "reason" parameters. The "reason" parameters automatically put a vote for you with the specified reason. However, the current implementation will put four straight tildes instead of actually putting your name down as a signature. Look through what I changed and you'll understand. User:Pzychotix/Sandbox at the bottom will have an example of what will happen in it's current implementation. I've fixed it, so currently it looks fine, but if you revert it back to what it was, you'll see that there will be only four tildes instead of my sig.

Pzychotix 20:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Though it may be true, can it be fixed rather than putting your sig in there. 23:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you mean. What I've done is only a minor change. By moving the "includeonly" tag just two tildes over, it's fixed. I'm pretty sure that by splitting the tilde's up like that, the four tildes don't get to be processed together, and aren't converted into a sig. Go to my sandbox now. You'll see how it's broken now. Revert it back to my changes, and then see my sandbox again. The four tildes you previously saw will become the signature for the first vote, as intended. I don't see the problem here. Pzychotix 01:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A little more tinkering shows that through proper use (with the subst as it was intended), it's fine, but without the use of the subst, it doesn't work. Although using it without the subst is not intended, I don't feel that's an excuse to not fix a glitch (which is what my edit does). Pzychotix 01:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * My bad all. From :


 * "The code ~ ~ will be displayed as when the template is not included, ~ when the template is included, but it will only be expanded as the active user when the template is subst'd, which is to say when it has been joined within the same block once again."


 * Apparently there isn't much of a way to fix it, and I wasn't paying attention to what my change did. Sorry about all this. Pzychotix 04:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding My Gold Spam Personal Article...
Hey, you! ...thanks for making my article look nicer. XD I was confused as to what you did at first when I looked at the article history and compared version, but then I noticed that the article sub-sections look a lot nicer now due to creative use of the == == and === === article...thingies. Thanks! ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 18:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: personal image template
Ok, there are two: Npcbox, and Infobox PC. Take your pick. :) --User:Sky2042 (talk) 05:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm... I meant more like this:

 This image is the personal property of a WoWWiki user and should not be used without the original owner's permission.
 * But you know... Better!  ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 07:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Incinerate/Incineration
I have no idea when the change happened, I just noticed it today. My guess is it happened in 2.0.1 when the warlock spell was added. --Piumosso-Uldum 05:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Missing icons
Could you upload to WoWWiki icons for and ? It looks like there are many 2.1 icons missing here and I don't know how to extract them from Wowhead... --

Appologize
I'd like to appologize for the small/great mistake I just made. I wanted to remove some gramatic mistakes that I made. I haven't realiyed that I pushed the Save button 2 times, and so all the page was reoved. I hope, I didn't make a lot of problems.
 * No problems. It looked like a mistake to me, so I just reverted it. :) --User:Sky2042 (talk) 16:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

No bc template?
I'm referring to your comments here. What's up? Did we just stop using it all together? I thought it was pretty useful, but hey... 20:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC) btw, is your sig intentionally not supposed to work? --User:Sky2042 (talk) 20:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Essentially, it was being overused. We still don't know how we will replace it, but there it is.
 * Um what? I can follow all of the links in it.  Does it not work for you?
 * Nvm. I see how it is. xD --User:Sky2042 (talk) 17:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Engineering Recipes
C&P from the Village Pump: 4. Category:Engineering Schematics: those objects that teach particular (engineering) recipes 5. Category:Engineering Recipes: I am unsure if this represents ... --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Engineering recipes refers to the recipes that you learn, not the ones you can buy straight from the trainer, eg, white items and such. --Sky (talk | con | sm us) 02:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * So what is the distinction between these two, then? I'd rather not start out muddling things only to find I was wrong... --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The only distinction I can see is that one is more precisely named than the other. --User:Sky2042 (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Item Change
OK, I'm essentially a wiki-noob so I don't know if I should respond on my page or yours. Anyways, I would be very happy to adhere to a standard for images and pages if there is one. I started adding the gallery tags around the pictures because User:Gryphon started doing that to (some) of the loot pages, but I will do what you are doing if that's a better way. I just don't want to cause too much unnecessary work for others :P Sturmtiger 05:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey
I noticed you edited my page. Can I ask what you edited on it. Just would like to know Legolas5802 21:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Click the History tab and then 'diff'.-- 21:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Question about the rare pets
Why did you change the name? Aka Paradox 01:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC) :(
 * Plural is bad, as well as having an improper noun capitalized. :) You can still link to rare Pets if you wish. --User:Sky2042 (talk) 17:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for being gentle ...
... in your editing followup. I did not know we had standardized on the second word being lower case in an "External links" section title. Or particularly why. Not that I'm attached to it, but can you explain? --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. See WP:MOS --User:Sky2042 (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

IRSource?
You made reference ... I think... to "irsource". Please examine my clueless demeanor and expand upon your comment... :) --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Categorizing
You naughty person, stealing my categories >_< I find it funny we were working on the same category at the same time :P Thanks for the help! -- 22:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing my userpage, never knew you could just do that instead of lots of  :)--  Jeoh   talk  · stalk  18:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Bookkeepers
Two quick clarifications: 1) you do have pre-WoW lore experience, yes? and 2) please tell me Illidan's not your favorite character ;-P. Now then, your application and credentials appear to be in excellent order, so the fact that we're not accepting new members is the only reason you're not yet brought into the fold. This is due to the fact that all community teams are in flux and I haven't had time to finish the Bookkeepers' streamlined guidelines yet. Once this rehaul is completed, within the next couple of weeks, your application will be reprocessed. Addendum: I must also say that you are the single most devious diplomat who has ever applied.-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * About the page's background color... Thanks, my screen's so old and dark that I couldn't even see I had messed up colors =p-- K )  (talk) 12:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming Warcraft Novels
http://sff.net/people/knaak/Novels.htmlBaggins 08:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Templates
Hi, I'm creating a new template (Template:War), I don't know how to add a third or fourth side. Would you please take a look at Scourge Civil War and correct the mistakes on the template?.--Gonzalo84 19:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. The template requires that if you are going to be having multi-force functionality, that you also include the number of forces, or "armies". It is the same way as T:battle now is. --User:Sky2042 (talk) 19:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

SD
Please add reasons for SD. -- 15:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for sd-ing my Gnome-rage page... now i know how to delete. 00:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No problema. :) --User:Sky2042 (talk) 00:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Quests:Faction
You seem to have moved (or militated for the move) of Category:Quests:(faction). I am interested to know what makes that category more worth moving than, for instance, Category:Zone:(zone name)? or is that on your hit list too? --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * (Pretending to be Sky) We are planning on moving all of those categories eventually (including Instance:(instance), Continent:(continent), Quest:(zone)). It just happened that the Category:Quests:(faction) looked like the easiest to start off with. If all the quest pages were done properly (with no categories hardcoded, just those that the quest box puts in automatically), then it would be incredibly easy to change. Unfortunately there are a plethora of quests which have not been updated in ages and don't even have a quest box, or have categories duplicated by the quest box. In any case, the quest pages being updated is sort of going along with the change, which means its going to take a while. Hope this helps. - 00:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Both are on my coughscoughhitlist. :D. As Jiyambi said, this was just the easiest mass change we could do. Atm, we're cleaning out the old categories, usually adding a stub/Quest or some other such template in the process. --User:Sky2042 (talk) 04:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Personal Images (Resolved)
I don't understand why you say I don't have a choice as to where or how I use an image that clearly has no use outside of a personal user page...which is precicely why I made that template and used it on my personal images. It's not like I slapped that template on a Blizzard image of Thrall or an image of the world map or something... I mean, if you can find some other place as to where the images of my personal roleplay characters might, could, or would be used, by all means...do tell. Alternately, if this is one of those "You don't own your these images because they're from in-game World of Warcraft stuff," then fine. All I'm saying is that they have no use outside of my character's profile pages and therefore I believe my template is perfectly fine. Furthermore, don't remove the template from my images and immediately nominate said template for speedy deletion on the grounds of "not used". It never occured to me to publicize my template, quite frankly. I figured it was fine enough on the Templates page. ~ Doc Lithius [ U|T|C ] 08:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No-one else uses such a template (and literally, no-one). I certainly did not find it necessary for one person to have a template all to themselves ;P. In effect, I was just doing general cleanup of the category it was in and decided we didn't need a personal template in the global template namespace. My personal suggestion would be to use a local template (gah, where's the link?), such as User:Doc Lithius/images. Use of which would be  . Alternatively, just add the verbage to the description of the image; no-one else will use it anyway.


 * As for ownership, the pictures are now under the domain of the GNUFDL. Obviously, copyrighted to Blizzard. --User:Sky2042 (talk) 09:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * PS: It was the wordage; as if, no-one else was allowed to use the picture. Admittedly, I can't think of a usage for it, but ya' never know. --User:Sky2042 (talk) 09:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Gems/Jewels/whatevers
Once we get a consensus on what to do with Gem terminology we'll be needing some-bot to recategorize pages (and perhaps rename them too). You're handy with a bot; don't suppose I could rope you in to that? --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hah, more categorization fun! -- 19:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Eirik: Send a tell to User:Fisker. It says I've got a semi-automated program handy, but I don't really; it refuses to call the pagenames from a whatlinkshere page, or the category page. :(. It works just fine on wikipedia, though! >_<. I'll see if an earlier build will help, but we can see. If anything, we can get another "kill the categories" group together. I know Mikaka loves that, as does Jiyambi, eh? :P --User:Sky2042 (talk) 03:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "Love" is such a strong word... >_< Still, I would be willing to help out... *after* we complete the current category projects. -- 17:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Zone category project
Heya, I made a draft project page for the zone category project: Wowpedia:Zone category project. You should add yourself to the project roster (just put Category:Zone category project members on your user page). And edit away at the project page if you see anything that should be changed - I know we may be getting a bot to do some of the work, so if anything becomes definite in that area we may need to change it. -- 23:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Trashpage
Ah, wtf now. Didn't I explicitly ASK you to tell me about any single modification you'd apply to one of my pages? Why did you do this anyway?-- K )  (talk) 19:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Um what if I ask you NOT to touch my page for such a reason? I prefer to have broken links on my own page that talks about the History of WoWwiki rather than showing that I allow changes to my pages.
 * BTW, I think the idea of removing AMA is great, something had to be done long ago about this. Would just have been better if everybody had been notified first.-- K )  (talk) 19:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, fine... I just thought a 'this has been removed from WoWwiki, kept for historical reasons blah blah blah' template would've worked either.-- K )  (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

It was supposed to have been removed a while ago, but I hadn't got around to it :) Also, I wanted to make sure it wasn't brought up and contested at all. 20:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Korgath
Hi this is Zabel, Im putting this here I guess cause apparently Im about to "trash talk" or something. Anyways the Korgath server doesn't mind or even care about my "notable" page edits, its one person who keeps deleting it just to be an annoying asshole. But w/e freedom of speech or w/e peace out you communist ass.


 * Obviously a sensible way to solve problems, insult those who you want to discuss it with ... There's a difference between freedom of speech and talking crap on server pages. We aren't fans of people bringing drama to the wiki. 02:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * How much of a notable player can you be if you have to enter yourself? btw, freedom of speech doesn't exist on the internet unless you own your own domain. 23:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Boilerplates
I like the boilerplate preload links (the links next to "This article is for: an ability - an item - a mob - etc." that are on the edit page. I am thinking about implementing the same thing on our wiki site but I have no idea how to accomplish this. Is this accomplished through an existing extension or did you guys custom code this using hooks? Or did you modify the actual mediawiki code? Any advice would be appreciated! Ahui 17:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed an actual quote
This modification was unjustified. Thrall actually says that here: -- K )  (talk) 08:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So long as it can be justified (looked like a parody of 300 to me). His contribs looked almost vandalish, so I reverted one or two without taking the minute or two to watch a video that I didn't know existed. Also commented said video out of this page. --User:Sky2042 (talk) 08:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Formulas:Resilience deleted
Formulas:Resilience has been deleted. Btw Sky, "see your talk page" is not a good reason for a Speedy Delete, but I figured it out. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 4:30 PM PDT 2 Nov 2007

Trying to make a page
Im trying to make a funny page about randall thats why it was flagged as silly and you keep deleting it

check the references and just dont delete that page

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903741064&sid=1&pageNo=2 is the page it was decided on

Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!
Sky, we gotta figure out a better progression template overall, 'cause the value of tracking heroics/5-mans is only useful for the first couple weeks, if that. I'd like to see better in-game raid/progression tracking, but until then I figure this place is a good proving ground. Cheers!

Wee
Goodbye! Had fun; need a break. --Sky (talk | con | wh ) 02:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice Job
Keep up the good work. Also how many characters wore capes?(SmashingPumpkins1 07:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC))

local copy of Image:Crusadeheader.jpg?
It's fine. Go ahead and delete it. AMBER (RΘCK)  09:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

LBDress.jpg
Why was this deleted?

Lowercase redirects
Hey, Sky! What do you have against dark iron dwarf being redirected to the properly-named article? -- 01:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Images
D'oh! Lotta minor edits for me in the near future. =p And I'm taking them from Wowhead and cropping as needed. --Tiwuno 09:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Or you could change them for me. =o Thanks! --Tiwuno 09:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Char tws70mage.jpg
Hello. If you don't mind me asking, why did you delete ? Seeing as many people have pictures of their characters for their userpage, I figured it is permitted - Was that wrong? Thanks. · tws  T C  · 23:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The old one is linked on my user page. Silly as I am, i didn't save the image locally. Can't you restore the deleted one? · tws  T <font style="color: #FFFFFF; font-weight: bold; background: #0066FF;">C  · 07:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The image was linked. I created the link with this edit, about 1 hour before you deleted it. It was, however, merely linked, not displayed with [[Image:...]], which is why you didn't see it on the image page ("What links here" would have revealed the link). I haven't saved it at all, I deleted it after uploading it. I'll have to recreate it, which is no biggie since it is a whackjob in terms of photoediting anyway. You could have contacted me first though. :-p · <strong style="color: #FFFFFF;">tws <font style="color: #FFFFFF; font-weight: bold; background: #0066FF;"> T <font style="color: #FFFFFF; font-weight: bold; background: #0066FF;">C  · 08:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Logo convert request
I noticed you wanted the Wikipedia logo changed to .png to remove the black background...but it's doable in .gif too, so I made both a gif and png file.-- 22:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm, I just noticed that the new logo in .gif replaced the "old" one. Maybe it's just me, but it might be worth looking into.-- 00:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

PvP Rank Template
Need you to look at this. Want your statement before an eventual revert of your change. -- 16:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yay more accidental blocks
Your block of Tehbuttcheeksfairy is blocking me. =( --Tiwuno 23:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Same. -- 23:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too, but not all the time, strangely. Machewman 00:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Same here. Which is extremely strange considering my IP is not 10.8.2.144...  I honestly thought that my last edit of the Undocumented Chages for Patch 2.3.2 got me banned somehow, despite the fact it was A. accurate, and B. in no way against policy.  ~ <font color="#00BF00">Doc Lithius [ U|T|C ] 00:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Any ETA for when I'll be able to edit again? There are other admins on, right?--Tiwuno 00:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm blocked too: you shouldnt block a IP adress, that is given to several users bei the ISP... aren't there other methods? Fernsehmuell 00:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We've never had this issue. It happens to be a bug in some way; who knows how it was introduced. For the future, if I block someone incorrectly and are notified of it on this page, and do not respond promptly, then you should contact another administrator on their talk page or on IRC. Should be resolved for most of you. =) Cheers! --Sky (t | c | w ) 03:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean we've never had this problem until recently. ;) --Tiwuno 02:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Pft. --Sky (t | c | w ) 02:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirects
Hey! I was just wondering how the redirects should work im looking to redirect wowwiki.com/magnus --> magnus guild page Neptulon eu. Thanks

internal adress on wiki

AerianKork 13:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC) ---

Ah, ok. the magnus guildpage was situated at --/magnus before, and i wanted it to redirect, but its np. Guess it isnt allowed anymore. But how are those instant redirects nowadays then? arent allowed? cus that was what i was looking to do, but the old code didnt work:)

AerianKork 10:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of legitimate pages
Why did you delete Amani Charm Box and Amani Treasure Box?--Tiwuno 20:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, didn't see this until too late. I was looking at the Wanted pages, saw that Amani Charm Box had multiple broken links, and went about correcting it.  Let us know if there's a reason for deleting this pages. --  22:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Superb Editing and Proofing!
Thank you, once again, for following in my footsteps and cleaning up the bits where I err. Is it that you're on a verification committee, or just a case of "ah, he's edited some more pages; I'd better see what he's messed up this time..."? :) --Eirik Ratcatcher 01:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

And again, thanks... I have little patience for Pcj's "we had to destroy the page in order to save it" method of flagging pages. OTOH, we have a 64x64 pixel image associated with the image. I know there are folks against it "because we have the image in the tooltip", but said image is what, 16x16? So what's wrong with displaying the full sized image at full size on the page describing the item for which the image was made? Pay him no mind... :)--Eirik Ratcatcher 20:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * PS - if you're looking for consistency, the whole lot of rocket pages would need reviewed. --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Guild Page
Thanks for helping out with the Guild templates on The Claw :) --Leord 00:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes Really
The wiki police are out to get me......

Tier .5
I tagged them for a "full" update so the links to their respective quests would be included. --Tiwuno 05:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to remove the tags and updated the pages with the questlong template if you wish, I simply tagged them for the sake of standardization. --Tiwuno 06:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Class mess
What is the difference between class ideas and Possible future hero classes? I was talking with Baggins, and he said that one is trying to discuss classes in general, the other is trying to discuss hero classes. He also said the distinction between hero and regular classes is not very much yet, and the two could be merged, with a section on hero classes, and a section on regular classes. Should the ideas section should be merged into another article, or what? He said to ask you, so please help me.-- 02:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Shadowmoon Edit
Haha. Your recent edit just confused the hell out of me. I was just about to change all that junk and I went to look at the edit box and saw it wasn't there... and was highly confused. I thought I had super special awesome mind powers to just think, and the wiki edits itself.

Thanks for updating. --IceSage 08:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Magisters' Terrace
The name of the new 5-man instance scheduled to appear in Patch 2.4.0 will be Magisters' Terrace as it appears in the newly relased map, not Magister's Terrace. I tried to fix the mispelling but somebody reverted the change. Can you fix it? --N&#39;Nanz 10:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

--N&#39;Nanz 11:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I was just in the PTR - N'Nanz is right, it's clearly listed as "Magisters'", not "Magister's". --Joshmaul 19:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry. That was me. I assumed Blizz could spell.-- 19:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They can spell. Magisters' Terrace is correct grammar; it is the plural possessive. I'll look into fixing all the categories. --Sky (t | c | w) 19:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Now do not I look stupid... -er.-- 19:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Both ways are grammatically correct in certain cases - e.g. singular "Magister's" if there was one "Magister" being spoken of. Not incorrect spelling, just not this case. 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Quest:A Haunted History/Quest chain
You really think the current version looks better than the old version? Organizing it the way you did seems confusing to me, especially with the three neutral quests formatted differently than the rest of them. --Tiwuno 23:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a look at it now. Yes/no/maybe? --Tiwuno 23:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So if the way I formatted it was incorrect, about 99% of the articles on Category:Quest chains are also formatted incorrectly? --Tiwuno 23:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Essentially. If you wish to clean them up though, I should forewarn you that the majority of those pages probably shouldn't exist, as the majority of them are not proper articles, nor are they quest chains of longer than 5+ chains, making them rather useless compared to having inline links on the quest pages. Do as thou wilt, though. :) --Sky (t | c | w) 23:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)\
 * Hm, sounds like something to add to my User:Tiwuno/Ongoing|Maintenance-related categories page. [[Image:Tongueout.gif]] --Tiwuno 00:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: 2.4 items
I had opened the individual pages earlier and input the information, but couldn't submit until now when I've got my connection back online. -- 07:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Weird?
Do you mean the item is weird or the policy is weird? | Link -- 15:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Lightbringer Wristguards
Nice catch! Never let me slack off, do ya? --Tiwuno 07:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Why did you re-add Heroic Magister's Terrace to 10-man progression template?
It's a 5-man, same as every other heroic. Kadaan 20:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it has items of a high item level, but I don't believe a non-raid instance belongs in a progression list. Zul'aman has higher/equal item levels to SSC/TK, and definitely higher than Mag/Gruul, but is on the 10-man progression template instead of the 25-man. It's not about loot quality, it's about raid progression. Kadaan 17:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I still strongly disagree that it belongs on a guild progression chart. It will most likely not be something run "as a guild" but in pugs, like all heroics now. Is there a way we can vote on it? The only reason it was brought to my attention was an officer in my guild complaining that it doesn't belong there, and I agree. Perhaps an individual "instances completed" checklist on a user page, but not for a guild. Kadaan 21:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion log
. So you've got 6400 to go. 07:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for fixing my format problems on my fake items page!

Think you can tell me the best way to make a fake item that is not in game? Frostworn1822 03:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply to talk about fake items
Frostworn1822 04:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Is this standard formating of a fake item? Do I have to tag it as a silly item?

Contributions
What is the tool you use to count your contributions on your main page? Frostworn1822 04:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Item?
Is the Item template going out of favor? I notice you have changed at least one page out of it. At this point, it might take a bot. As well, if I didn't 'get the memo', others also will have missed it. --Eirik Ratcatcher 20:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Quest chain names
Just trying to keep it consistent with all the other quest chain pages. Infact, I was making the pages "Quest:Nothing But The Truth/Quest chain", till I was informed that they should be "Quest:Nothing But The Truth quest chain". And some questchains I have been putting the chain on the first quest, and linking to it from the other quests. So...I'm hearing 2-3 ways of how its supposed to be done, and seeing 2-3 ways of it being done. Is there actually a place on the wiki where it states the correct way of doing things? Cause I was trying to be consistent, and now I hear thats wrong... 03:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I understood, the correct naming convention is "Nothing But The Truth quest chain", without the "Quest:" in front of it. I have had discussions about this with people before (don't remember who tho), because I, too, was confused. I looked and couldn't find anywhere which mentioned this. Perhaps we should have a discussion on the Village Pump and put the resolution into Help:Quest articles or something. -- 05:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have been using the form "XXX quest chain", where XXX is some descriptive name. Often, but not always, it has been the name of one of the quests.  Sometimes, the name of the unifying object of the quest.  The name of the first quest in the chain is seldom a descriptive choice, and my idea in the name is to make it readily identifiable.
 * OTOH, I (personally) have been leaving all "Quest:xxx/Quest chain" pages alone until I decide either 1) "this deserves to be a page of its own", 2) "this is still useful as a transclusion page" (wherein I generally remove the "quest chains" category), or 3) "this might as well be included bodily" (wherein I generally mark it for deletion).
 * Your own milage may vary. --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Your own milage may vary. --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Your own milage may vary. --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it would be a good idea to make a page describing the standard way of making a quest chain page. Detailing the correct way to name the page and how to name the page, be it the name of the first quest or last quest, or something more descriptive of the quest. Cause I know sometimes that the chain page might already be made for some quests (but didn't get placed within certain quests) rather than being able to automatically know what its called you have to go through the other quests to figure it out, and thats partly due to no standard naming. 21:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You know, I think one of these help pages was made by Eirik in the past but got deleted during the boilerplate cleanup last year. Perhaps he would be willing to make a new one? -- 22:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * See Help:Quest chain articles and Help:Quest chain articles/Preload. Would appreciate feedback. --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I blame the voices, they told me to do it. 07:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you dip the macaronis in cheese sauce first, then you can use those =D 07:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ugh... cream chesse shouldn't even be considered cheese... its like the gnomes in the alliance, you'll deal with them, but you don't have to like them. 07:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Bot Tags
In that case there's a bunch that I've deleted over the course of today, and perhaps yesterday. If you see them please put them back in. Otherwise I'll look through my log and try and do that later. In the meantime I'll stop deleting that tag. =) Thanks for the heads up. -- 04:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Drek'thar-I disagree
I wanted to show how loathsome his actions had been. He is no redeemed lost lamb of God. He has been a true monster and this part of his history should not be forgotten.-- K )  (talk) 18:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The heck? I had previously stated what I was about to do, oh only a few days ago. Yes, on Drek'thar's article's very own talk page. No one bothered to answer. What I said was not, and by not I mean not at all, biased, as it is what Christie Golden mentions in her book Rise of the Horde, and I beg of you, how biased it is to say that he is a children murderer? No, it's a fact, not a point of view. And that he is a war criminal? How hard is it to acknowledge that a soldier that stalked and torn to shreds and burnt to ashes dozens of innocent civilians is a war criminal? It's not like he only followed orders, as the book states that he was more than happy to join the orcs in their savage slaughtering of the draenei. I beg your pardon, I was not saying that I disapprove of the mention that he holds himself responsible for what he did, Lord of the Clans explains it very clearly. But I do not appreciate that this part of his existence be ignored and hidden.-- K )  (talk) 21:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It is said that every single orc, apart from Durotan, that fought in the draenei wars, helped to kill and destroy all draenei individuals. It is said that Drek'thar himself encouraged all the Frostwolves to kill every single draenei, and was the first to do so; and Durotan, as Golden reports, has seen all orcs in battle charging and savagely murdering men, women and children. No, I'm not wanting to look for references about Ner'zhul and Durotan about that, because I know they didn't kill draenei children. Durotan made it his personal guideline and Ner'zhul didn't fight at all, staying in his tent and bowing to Kil'jaeden or crying to Gul'dan. But I wanted to insist on that fact because Drek'thar is alive and considered as a good guy. Forgetting about his crimes is like taking only what's shiny and leaving the rest on the dung pile, which is not a proper way to handle lore.
 * I know how specific the term of 'war criminal' can be, but we are here talking about people who attacked some civilians who hadn't injured them in any way. I know why Thrall would've forgiven Drek'thar for what he was, since they thought nothing could be done about that since the draenei were nearly extinct. But at the end of Rise of the Horde, Thrall learns that the draenei are back. His first reaction is not about trying to welcome them and apologize for his people, as he has tried to do with the humans several times. No, he only feared about how to handle the Horde now that the draenei were here to tell the Alliance about his people and their past doings. I believe a cohesion of the Horde is more important to Thrall than spreading the truth among his people and taking back his support from Drek'thar, who is clearly opposing the Alliance at the moment, hence the draenei.-- K )  (talk) 22:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Have I finished the book yet? Of course I have. But it is night time here and I'm afraid I'm not enough in shape to get out of my bed and look for the appropriate page in the book. I don't exactly understand why you're speaking about Durotan now, he might have been the least vicious soldier among them. Durotan killed innocents, but did not kill children, which is my point. Drek'thar, on the other hand, had none of such moral restraints. I told you about Thrall because he is the one who keeps him as the chieftain of the Frostwolf Clan, letting a war criminal hold a high position in his wannabe redeemed Horde.-- K )  (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

He isn't opposing the Draenei. There are no Draenei in Alterac. Besides I think the size of the whole conflict is exaggerated in WoW. Anyway every orc was probably hyperbole as I highly doubt Grandmother Geyah or what would become the Mag'har were involved. Zarnks 04:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

How may I thank thee...
Was looking over some of your recent edits, and I have only two words: reagentbox, and item. HTML make it so easy to say that, too... :) --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Collateral damage from IP block
Your block of DukeNukumForeverlawl's IP address got me too. -- 22:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

As well as me. 23:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Me three.... Darknight411 23:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, very odd - reported :) 23:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I've been blocked :O
Hi, wanted to extend the macro page with this one: "[topic] Open All Bags But Rightmost One" [content]

And the system said that my ip is blocked because of whatever monkey-thing (and displayed an ip totally not mine) What can i do now? (Please respond to my e-mail if its possible)

thank you for your time in advance

(additional note: 2nd attempt to commit/save was OK - i wanted to re-summon the error to report it correctly but it commited my changes instead -> beyond me) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.

AlsoSee and sons
Done yet more research, found wikipedia's similar templates. Would value your input here, if you have time. --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm at my wit's end.
I am not sure what to do anymore. We have a player, Side85 on here, Undersky on the Altar of Storms realm forums, who insists on writing six or seven "LOL@" person posts a day on the forums, writing these weird comments about people. On this wiki, I was trying to capture some of our local color having a new section called "Forum Personalities". He's been erasing people's entries, scattering "Lol@nub" and whatnot on the descriptions. I talked to him on the realm forums, and now he believes he has a right to delete anything he wants since people have deleted his remarks. I have to check the site five times a day to figure out what stunt he has pulled. Has he erased the PVP section? Has he erased all the forum personality entries? Has he substituted all the Horde and Alliance guild website links to be replaced with links for gay porn? What should I do? I'm at my wits end.

--- Manicman11 02:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Those things sound like clear vandalism to me. You should report him on Wowpedia:Known vandals. Sky may be able to do something more direct, tho. -- 04:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He had done that, a few days ago. 04:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sky was kind enough to revert the page back twice. Thanks sky! At the time of the "wit's end" post we had Side85 still randomly deleting stuff and adding dumb comments. It's fixed now. Thank you! --- Manicman11 15:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's good to know someone thinks I make a difference. =] --Sky (t · c · w) 20:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey! Who did that? I'll give them what for ... 21:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Editing Help
You're the first person I thought of for editing help, since you were one of the first people to help me with the loot pages. ;) Anyway, having some formatting issues on Blackrock Spire loot.  I reverted the page to look like the rest of them, but since LBRS/UBRS are 2 different erm... templates, I just couldn't figure out how to have them display nicely one under the other.  Also if you take a look at them, they're laid out differently.  I don't know how to fix templates, so maybe you could help with that too?  *wriggles*  Thanks.  -- 10:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

SD-ing
To which are you referring, cause I always make sure to rename links away from the page that I SD. And those pages are usually user characters, images (of bad quality or not being used for a while), pages that I moved and don't require a redirect, or mistakes in naming pages that I create. 03:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea... I got distracted =/ 05:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandal
Here we go again... /sigh 06:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, just when you were deleting stuff anyway lol. 06:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, good thing I'm too addicted to WoWwiki to get off, like I've been trying to do for an hour now... 06:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I leave you alone now, so you can finish deleting all things I marked for speedydelete =P 06:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Poop... Well, I'm sure they'll be waiting for ya, when you get back from your AFK. Have fun. 06:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Since I see ya editing I'll post this here.
 * Me thinks Image:Icon-patch-22x22.png should just be protected... I don't see why anyone would even vandal that icon. 23:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Can I mention how cool Coobra's sig looks when posted several times like this? :) 03:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can. =P 04:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No you can't. This page exists solely for extolling my virtues... so shoo. Shoo. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

You and KayDeeThree...
Thank you both for doing the SpeedyDelete thing on the misnamed portions of Summoning the Charger quest chain. However, having rearranged things, relinked things, copied out the valuable bits, etc, I find myself fatigued. I will rest now, and try to flesh out the quest chain page itself another day.

Just started my own paladin on this chain, and thought it a fortuitous time to write it up... --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Old schooool!
Just leavin' a note, gogo TBG. It's Striken!

On Daggerspine now as Jacklink/Imperial =)

Leave message vs Comment
Sorry and fair enough. I did wonder what happened to "leave message", I thought it had got reverted to some older version. On the new skin "+" is just way too short. 22:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

extrasuperspeedydelete of "ClassX builds"
Hiya. I noticed that you deleted the "ClassX builds" article I added in Category:Boilerplate_placeholders to cover the recent change I made to Classfooter. Apologies if I did something wrong - I stumbled across the ClassX placeholder articles when reviewing my edits, and thought I was doing the right thing by adding a new placeholder. I hope I didn't tread on any toes. :-) -- 06:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, it was nearly a year ago! I got busy for quite a while, and hadn't been doing much with WoWWiki, other than browsing it, until recently.
 * Fair enough. I created it based on a (possibly wrong) assumption for the existence of the other ClassX articles in Category:Boilerplate_placeholders.  I assumed that they were there to avoid red/broken links appearing at the bottom of Help:Ability_articles and Help:Talent_articles, in the ClassX at the bottom of both articles (originating in the /Preload sub-articles).  I'll happily put it back, if you think that's the right thing to do, otherwise I'll leave it alone.  -- 06:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Cats
I did it for less confusion as all cats were like this Item Screenshots, NPC Screenshots, Warcraft II Screenshots, Warcraft III Screenshots, and Zone Screenshots. Minus two, which had nothing in them anyway Mob screenshots and Object screenshots.

I figured whats the difference, they're only image categories, not article ones, but yea... rules be rules. 20:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Please at least put a reason when deleting pages
I was in the middle of editing and expanding Formulas:Armor penetration when you deleted it and gave no reason. This kind of thing really pisses me off, please stop doing it. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 9:39 PM PST 15 Apr 2008
 * I guess Kirkburn didn't talk to you. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 10:40 PM PST 15 Apr 2008
 * He did not. Consider me notified. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I told the person who was doing it at the time :/ 11:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

C:MfSDE
Yarr... as much as I can check... can't tell if it's linked using, unless there is a way that I'm not aware of. You're free to push the red button. 23:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Aww.. make me do more work, very well, but only cause you asked nicely. =P  03:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh... learn something everyday, thx. 03:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Summoning the Charger
Finally completed to my satisfaction. Would appreciate comments. A different page will have to describe the blood elf chain, and perhaps have cross-biguation between them. Think any of the links to Charger or Paladin Quests should be moved? --Eirik Ratcatcher 01:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete notification
Re the deletion of my guild page without notification (which might sound harsh to bystanders, but I can understand how such things happen): Does the addition of a delete tag (eg. speedydelete) send a notification? As long as that happens, the newer MW feature isn't really needed. I don't know administratively how deletes are handled, so I'm not sure if there's a process somewhere I should be monitoring to get early warning. ScratchMonkey 02:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

No you aren't alone
You just can't see our messages on IRC, apparently. 21:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

You work to undo all that I work for...
well, not really that bad, but when I made those pages for _____ pants of agility, and you deleted, was that because of a wowwiki policy or something? - User:The Thinker

VP
"Also, I requested he drop a note here on the VP, just exactly because I didn't want him coding a bot that would get me in trouble (a la Zeal ;P) ." Huh? :S -- <ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"><li style="display: inline;">User:Zealvurte</li><li style="display: inline;">User talk:Zealvurte</li><li style="display: inline;">Special:Contributions/Zealvurte</li><li style="display: inline;">User:Zealvurte</li></ul> 12:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

AOOOOOGA!
Do you want me to kick you every time? :) 21:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Hello
 * 2) MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown
 * 3) What's bringing you to help.wikia, and thanks for edits.

Pokemon
Just curious, what was with all that pokemon stuff in your sandbox3? :p

LOL?
What you got on me? $5? A blowjob? Hah. No one asked you. Leter (talk) 23:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Re: LOL?
No, I'm not going to fight you, cause you know you can't win, but hmm... I got the ability to Proxy, wait... no, that's a right. On the more civil side, let's compare the Main Page of Wikipedia to Kil'jaeden (tactics). Hmmmm.... let's see.... OH! I found an unprotected version here, interesting. Leter (talk) 23:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Navbox with columns
What do you think about it? I imported the code from wikipedia, but I need some help with the column border color. Think you could help?-- 20:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Sig substitution?
Whyfore the sig substitution? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Charinsert dot vs. entity
Sky, you don't understand why entities exist. It isn't a browser issue, but an underlying OS rendering issue. Entities exist so browser makers can ensure standardized glyph rendering. Wiki charinsert may or may not take this into account, but from what I can tell it doesn't. I've seen this problem with apostrophe's mostly, but it does happen. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 4:42 PM PST 23 May 2008


 * I would also add that "middot" is rather easier to type. 12:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ease of typing is irrelevant, as we have CharInsert. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, well, I don't think most users would look there to find this symbol to insert. I see • but is that even the same symbol? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * · is the correct symbol: It's next to the pretty looking S, which is to the left of "sign your username". --Sky (t · c · w) 22:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Can we have an agreement between you and Fandy on this, since I'd really rather avoid wheel wars. 12:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This seems to be in the same vain as the discussion i had going on unicode characters and entities on the VP. Sounds like i'm on Sky's side. -- 16:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Assistance on quest pages
I'm looking to run through the pages referred to under Reinforcing Redridge quest chain, but I'm running into the problem that when the quests were originally created, the bot created a fairly brain-dead disambig page for the similarly named pages. I lack the rights to simply move the first of the paired quests over the disambig page, but that's essentially what I'd like to do: Move questxxxx (1) on top of the questxxxx disambig page, then add in the quest progression, quest chain links, etc.

Can ya help a fellow out, gov'na? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Quest:Messenger to Stormwind (1) -> Quest:Messenger to Stormwind
 * Quest:Messenger to Westfall (1) -> Quest:Messenger to Westfall
 * Quest:Messenger to Darkshire (1) -> Quest:Messenger to Darkshire
 * Dem's da ones, Gov'na! Looks like Westfall was done pre-bot. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly! --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * My, aren't we speedy! --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess I've kept you all kinds of busy, haven't I? And I was too preoccupied to be able to catch a "don't do it that way" anyway... :/ --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Another request, if I may impose?
 * Quest:A Dark Threat Looms (1) -> Quest:A Dark Threat Looms

--Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yet more:
 * Quest:Suntara Stones (1) -> Quest:Suntara Stones
 * Quest:Prayer to Elune (1) -> Quest:Prayer to Elune

--Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

branns speculations are accepted in wowwiki
and eternal is still not race, before you edit, ask head bookmaster Ragestorm, or banclub —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * old god (presumed), happy now? M1330 (talk) 08:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * but eternal is still not race M1330 (talk) 08:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * just joking ^^, but he is old god to trolls, so he IS old god, ragnaros is only elemental commander, but old god to dwarves = old god, check it if you dont believe me M1330 (talk) 08:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

"and old god to the trolls{LoC 59}" touche,thats not branns speculation, lore, end of story, old god. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * btw they are eternal coz they are not old or demigods —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * its fact in wowwiki, branns not player who speculates that taurens eat at mcdonalds, :P —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Tauren don't eat at McDonalds?   Rolandius (talk) 09:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, they're usually chopped up to be served there. Don't tell the PETT (People for Ethical Treatment of Tauren) though. --Sky (t · c · w) 09:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL I am sure that group will show up in WoW sooner or later.   Rolandius (talk) 09:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

its not listed as speculation, ill ask ragestorm, because i dont want to "ask hobbit some half-brained rpg answer - ragestom", i do not fight for fun, but he is old god. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * First off, I don't care how annoyed you are, sign your posts. Second, Baggins is the one I rely on to handle RPG information, including most of what you're talking about. Third, Hakkar is not confirmed as an Old God or even one of their servants. All that exists are a collection of hints, rumors, and titular connections that can be explained away as metaphoric titles will be taken in a different context. Fourth, if something's race is unknown, but that being is an Eternal, then it is fine to put that as race, see Elune. Fifth, Hakkar's status is "killable". -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know why you all even bother arguing with this kid. He's been banned from editing infoboxes by baggins in the first place. It took 3 warnings for him to even understand he was banned from editing them... and yet he continues to do so. 20:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I continue to have my eye out for his edits.-- 20:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not here to defend M1330, since his edits do get out of control.


 * However, he is right on "eternals are not a race" its a descriptor but not a race. Most of the Eternals are not even related and are of seperate species. Secondly old gods are actually listed under eternals in Shadows & Light, although the book is not able to go into any detail about them. It does cover their Elemental Lord minions however. Also yes Brann surmises that Hakkar is somehow connected to the Old Gods, generally speaking many of Brann's theories act as insight into Blizzard's design and story processes, so yes it is very possible that he is connected to the old gods. It is more than likely the reference to old gods and hakkar made in Lands of Conflict was intended to be a direct reference to the Old Gods as well, i.e. old gods of the trolls. Also note the Lands of Conflict told of Ula-tek who very much mirrored Hakkar and is described as an old god as well. So it seems very likely that the authors were connecting both to the Old Gods, and less likely anything else.


 * It would make no sense for Blizzard to change direction and it seems more than likely that Brann's later comments are actually a follow up to what was previously stated in Lands of Conflict. Dark Factions continues this connection as well, I think (i'll look into it).Baggins (talk) 19:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I never once said it the status of eternal was a race; only that it could be used as one. --Sky (t · c · w) 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it fits more as a status than a race.Baggins (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Whether or not it fits as a race, I don't think it fits best as a status, particularly when Hakkar is killable and Xavius is dead.
 * Sorry for taking up your usertalk, Sky. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 01:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Baggins: Eh, I just didn't really need the long winded explanation; I just had an issue with M's edits. Life will go on. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah, Ragestorm, I welcome the lore chats. I still have what I consider an open app to the Bookkeeping club. ;)

Hello
In there messenger I used Porguese. If you need some help, I'd have very pleasuri in help you. I also know french and Spanish. Learn another languages are very wonderfull, I like so much *__*


 * Yeh, you sure. Sorry for used other language, but if you want some help I'm happy to help you.

Jordan Hansel (talk) 03:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay! I'm looking at the link you sent me, I'll try help ^^

Jordan Hansel (talk) 03:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Engineering Guide(s)
How shall I count the ways... Tinker's guide seems to be a rehash of Velgard's.  Meanwhile, in addition to Tinker's Engineering guide, there is also Engineering/Engineering Guide, which (IMO) is much better written as an actual guide. Currently I'm taking Tinker's guide and turning it into a more of a FAQ sort of guide. But having discovered this third one just now... Well... need to reconsider what is needed, and how to get there. Because, after all, Engineering is supposed to be a big part of 'guide' too. I'm not crazy about how the non-wow content is getting squeegied onto the engineering page either, but not sure where to go with it. Got suggestions? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: question
Mostly if the item doesn't come from the object it got its own page. 04:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe... and you know much =) 05:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Kalimag
You are pretty sure that the Kalimag guide is not fan fiction? I assumed it was not because it was added all at once during Huntress' only edit. I was surprised no one caught it sooner. People did not only not catch it, they embraced and added to it. Though, it may be uncited RPG info.-- 22:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Why did you remove the popular links
That messed up all my JavaScript, put it back. -- 14:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would presume by reverting your change to the sidebar. -- 17:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How about you answer my question first? I use those links, my JS modifies them so my own links go there. -- 18:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine. -- 18:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

An item article is ***NOT*** a tooltip.
Dude, why did you revert Poached Bluefish back from {{item links to {{loot|common links? The policy is that item links are prefered except where they don't work, mainly within tooltip. In the body of the article, they are fine. If this is incorrect, the policy documentation needs to be updated. --Madkaugh (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yarzill the Dragon
Going through my screenshots, I found one of the end of Quest:Lord Illidan Stormrage, riding off on Yarzill's back. But... I had a couple of UI elements in the pic. It's the picture I had, not like I can go back and take it again. So why am I bothering you? I think the UI elements could be photoshopped out fairly easily, but I lack the skill. And the tool. Know anyone good with images? Image:YarzillTheDragon.jpg --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Undelete Character page please
Hello Sky2042. could you undelete the character page for Persis Anaranë'Annárë Denselde please. I have been away for quite a while and would like to continue amending and Updating the character page please.

Thank you very much.

Persis


 * Character moved

Ok thank you for letting me know it was moved Sky. What do I do so that the Persis Anaranë'Annárë Denselde character page appears once I log in please? When I click on the user name I still get a message saying it has been Deleted/moved and I have to click on the Delete log to be able to see it


 * what do I do with the page then Sky

Thank you again Sky. I guess My question is - Can you Correct my account page so that When I click on my Character it will Redirect to the page that you moved of Persis Anaranë'Annárë Denselde please?

If not, will I have to Create A brand new Account with a brand new page? I hope not for that seems like an awful lot of hard work, to replace a page you moved.


 * Sky, it seems to me a user page redirecting to a user subpage does not violate the rule.-- 19:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Sky and Sandwichman for fixing this. I appreciate all the effort and support. you are all most kind. Thank you all again.

Category: Pets
catting - *snicker* I disagree, though, on removing the distinction between the categories. Especially as the sub-categories do not really define their contents. ... and that's 3 page views instead of one, to find the right category. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Armagone
Now User:Armagone is one of those folks with a custom sig that's 10 miles long. I recall that there's been some amount of back-and-forthing on "transclude a complex sig" vs "include the full thing"... could you tell me where that all landed, and why? 1K sig text (slight exaggeration) makes me weary, but I don't want to complain if that's the recommended thing these days. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Winter Veil presents
... thanks for the table tweak. ... but is the page useful? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)