Talk:Gem/Archive

List by Jewel
I don't see much point to this section, so I'm taking it out. If anyone's got any arguements to why it's in any way useful... present them 18:44, 10 December 2006 (EST)

This page will be very useful later for planing what jewel we want to add to a socket. I have just spent alot of time on thottbot gathering info that was already here. I was going to add it if it wasn't. Please leave this for reference later and planing of gear gem buffs and link it better into Gems/Sockets pages. Psyke, 2 Jan 2007


 * *replies a month later* Okey I was unclear.  This page is most definitely intended as a fast lookup point for finding what jewels you can use to get the stats you want in the jewel colors you want.  What I removed was a list that was simply sorted by the stone type (these stones are garnets, these are rubies...).  That information was not arranged in a way that made finding the stats you might want very easy, stats depend on the cut, not the raw stone the gem was cut from.  The page was redone in a layout that hopefully will make finding and comparing your options very easy.   19:44, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Jewel or Gem?
From what I've seen, we're using Gem to describe an uncut raw stone, and Jewel to describe a faceted one usable in a socket. In fact, the article current states the interchanging the two is incorrect. This is incorrect (I worked in jewelry for a number of years). A gemstone is considered to be a cut, faceted, polished or otherwise processed mineral that has some sort of value. Jewel can be used interchangeably, but usually implies that the gem has been set in a rare metal, thus becoming jewelry. From what I've seen of Blizzard's use, they refer to the unsocketed items as gems and to the person crafting these items and the jewelry that uses them as jewelcrafters. That would be the correct terminology, we should stop referring to the raw items as "gems" and instead use "minerals". One might note however that the icons Blizzard uses for the pre-BC minerals tend to show faceted gems, so I can see where the confusion could arise.

I do, however, think Blizzard should not have used the word "socket" but instead used "setting". I've only seen setting crop up as an item name for a material used by jewelcrafters. 04:27, 25 January 2007 (EST)

I think it's worth pointing out that Blizzard, at this link: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/jewelcrafting.html specifically refers to both uncut and cut stones as "gems." In a game where terminology is often very specific (for example, even though a freezing trap quite clearly immobilizes you, it is NOT an "immobilizing effect"), I feel that it is important to maintain this usage, even if uncut stones would not be "gems" in real life terminology.

List by cut
I had this list on the Socket page before I found something similar (but better) here. Feel free to implement a better-looking version of it on this page, my wikiformat skills are lacking.

However, from what I've seen neither this nor what's on the page right now is the best way to sort these. Most people will come here looking for a certain effect so they can search the AH to find something they want to use. (I know I do.) Maybe the best way would be to organize it by tank, melee, nuker, healer, etc. and then have the listing of all the jewels that would be appropriate for that role. --Scrotch 22:13, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Red, Yellow, and Blue Socket Jewels

 * Bold: +str
 * Bright: +ap
 * Brilliant: +int
 * Dazzling: +mana/5, +int
 * Delicate: +agi
 * Enduring: +defense, +stam
 * Flashing: +parry
 * Gleaming: +spell crit
 * Glinting: +hit, +agi
 * Glowing: +spell damage, +stam
 * Inscribed: +crit, +str
 * Jagged: +crit, +stam
 * Luminous: +heal, +int
 * Lustrous: +mana/5
 * Potent: +spell crit, +spell damage
 * Radiant: +spell crit, +spell penetration
 * Rigid: +hit
 * Royal: +heal, +mana/5
 * Runed: +spell damage
 * Shifting: +agi, +stam
 * Smooth: +crit
 * Solid: +stam
 * Sovereign: +str, +stam
 * Sparkling: +spi
 * Subtle: +dodge
 * Stormy: +spell penetration
 * Teardrop: +heal
 * Thick: +defense

Meta Socket Jewels

 * Bracing: effects unknown
 * Brutal: +damage, chance to stun on hit
 * Destructive: +spell crit, +spell reflect
 * Enigmatic: +crit, +snare and root resist
 * Insightful: +int, chance to restore mana on cast
 * Mystical: chance for next spell to be instant cast on cast
 * Powerful: effects unknown
 * Swift: +ap, run speed increase
 * Tenacious: +defense, chance to restore health on hit
 * imo sorting it by color is probably one of the better ways to do it, as people will be looking for a certain color to fill the socket requirements first, and after that the most desireable effect for that socket color. 02:47, 26 January 2007 (EST)


 * True, but because three different colors of jewels can fit into multiple sockets, having the list by jewel color is going to create a lot of jumping around the page. Maybe what should be done is for the jewels to be sorted by the sockets they fit into (e.g. red socket lists red, purple and orange jewels), and have duplicate information for those jewels that fit into multiple sockets.--Scrotch 13:15, 26 January 2007 (EST)


 * The first problem is that "cuts" are not uniform, Blizzy isn't known for perfect consistency. Second issue are the 2-color gems.  There's no simple way to lay them out so that "joe moron" will have his answer in front of him every time.  Duplicate info is just wasted time and space to me... people will change one and not expect the same info to be on the page somewhere else, things will mismatch.  The page is already grouped by colors for the easiest lookups, then the tables are sorted by stat types.   It shouldn't take but a glace at the 3 color tables they need to see what general stats are available.  After that choice is made, the "strength" of their stats depends on the available sources to the player.  Take me, I'm a hunter.  I get a drop with a blue socket *looks up table*  Blue gems don't interest me...  Green have crit/stam, that's okeyish.... Purple have AGI/Stam, I think I'd go with that personally.  Now I just need to find a source.  It's fairly likely that the blue has some rep requirement somewhere, so I'd check the AH and see if there's a green available.  I can always upgrade later!
 * I understand the desire to group by Healer/Tank/MeleeDPS/MagicDPS... but that's only going to stir up argument... hell look at Comparison of Aldor and Scryer rewards. I think the best bet is to sort by color, then group by stat.  It's not hard to find which stats interest you with just a quick glance over the table.   18:02, 26 January 2007 (EST)


 * I think that the current setup is the most useful, since most people are trying to decide what to put into a certain socket and can this way get an overview based on what they can put in the socket, I find it very easy and helpful to use in its current form. The part that needs the most work IMO is the information for each jewel. --Josemite 23:51, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Meta gem activation
Interesting tidbit of information a guildy and I "discovered". To activate a meta gem, you need to --Dracomage 19:53, 29 January 2007 (EST)
 * 1) wear items with socket colors that meet the requirement of the meta gem,
 * 2) have those sockets filled. Even if an item's sockets are not completely filled (for that item's socket bonus), your meta gem will still activate.


 * But they have to be filled with the correct color, yes? Say your meta has a req of 5 red... that means you need equipment with 5 red sockets with red-matching gems in them, correct?  What if you have 5 blue sockets with 5 red gems in them?  Or 5 red sockets with yellow gems in them?   22:24, 29 January 2007 (EST)


 * if a metagem needs 5 red,, couldnt you stick 5 red gems into yellow sockets? or does it need to be "red sockets" with "red gems" ? 03:54, 31 January 2007 (EST)


 * I talked with some of my guildmates today and they told me it was like this: If a Meta requires atleast five red, all you need to have is five red jewels in any kind of socket on your equiped gear. A purple gem will count as one red AND one blue. --Ragowit 07:25, 1 February 2007 (EST)


 * Good to know, I'll adjust the page accordingly 22:34, 1 February 2007 (EST)


 * Additionally it has to be clarified, that Multi-colored gems count towards both their originating colors but only count once. For example a requires 2 yellows and 1 red. You can use orange gems to fulfill both needs, but you still need three gems summed up after all.
 * -- Slayman 07:42, 02/25/07 (GMT+1)


 * I'd like to point out that the "each mulit-colored gem only applies once" is false. I currently have a meta-gem in my helm that requires 5red, 5 yellow, and 5 blue. I only have 8 sockets equiped and each gem is a 2color gem. i had 6 blue, 5 yellow and 5 red. Although the Shift-rightclicking on the Helm to dispaly the gems, the meta gem had "requires 5 yellow gems" and "requires 5 red gems" greyed out, but the bonus still activates. The Meta gem is not greyed out in the link while mousing over my helm in the Character window.
 * -- Darkstar614


 * Hrm, maybe the requirement for that meta is "5 red OR 5 yellow OR 5 blue"? Could you unequip enough gear to confirm that you only need 5 of one color for this meta?   01:20, 28 February 2007 (EST)


 * Having only 5 blue gems equipped the red and yellow requirements are still greyed out and the bonus does not active.
 * --Darkstar614


 * I can also attest (from experience) to dual coloured gems counting as both colours (counting as two gems towards the total). And then even logically, three of the meta jewels require 5 of each color to activate... Put me together a functional set that has 15 sockets for caster, dps, and tank (because each of them has an appropriate earthstorm jewel). Tier 5 enhancement Shaman has 9 sockets, I've seen 3 on a weapon before, 1 on a necklace... Still 2 short... 10:42, 28 February 2007 (MST)


 * The question is though, how does it affect Meta Gems that are of the "Requires more *color* than *color* gems" variety? I am a druid and was wondering about this in regards to the Malorne set. The healing set has 7 sockets: 1 red, 1 yellow, 1 meta, 4 blue. The Bracing Earthstorm Diamond is the most logical choice being +26 healing and 2% threat redux. But the requirements are kind of strange. Requires more Yellow than Blue gems, Requires more red than Blue gems. First question is do you have to meet all requirements? If so it is not possible, but it's a little confusing on how it is phrased. If each multi-color jewel counts as both colors, it's not possible to get the set bonuses and use the meta gem. Because you would have to put in say 2 Purple colored and 2 Green colored in the blue slots. But that still would out number the Yellow and Red colored jewels by the Blue colored ones 4:3. So that doesnt meet the requirements for the meta. But if you only need to meet either/or on the yellow:blue or red:blue requirements for the meta, then it is possible. This would have to be done filling all the blue slots with multi-colors of a specific color; either green or purple. But if it does only count 1 color on the multi-color gems, then which would it choose in this situation? Which kind of leads me to believe that it would in fact count both colors for the color requirements of the meta gem and thus mess up the set socket bonuses. Sorry for being so long, it is just a complicated question. Having a hard time figuring it out in my head. Splyph 3:01PM, 1 March 2007 (CET)


 * In the case you described, there is a way to get around it (two orange and 4 prismatics) although not very functional in most circumstances. You would either need to find another item to socket (the tier sets do not cover all equipable slots) or you would have to forgo the socket bonus of one of the items to activate your meta gem bonus. Oborro 12:48pm, 1 March 2007 (MST)


 * Well, you can't really get around it because 2 oranges and 4 secondary (secondary color jewels as opposed to primary colored ones) because that still equates to 4 red, 4 yellow, and 4 blue, which doesn't meet the requirements. This can only be done if there is another piece of gear that has a socket that you are willing to fill with an orange. But just for that set you would have to sacrifice a socket bonus to use the meta, which would better than say the +3 spirit bonus off the boots (iirc). Splyph 3:03AM, 2 March 2007 (CET)


 * In my example I was referring to using 2 orange (which is a secondary colour) and 4 prismatics (which count as the three primary colours) which would give 6 red, 6 yellow, and 4 blue... which fulfills the requirements, but most likely isn't gonna have the stats he'll be looking for. Oborro 3:41Am, 2 March 2007 (MST)

Jewel Source Tag
I believe it would be helpful to add a tag to existing jewel list to indicate how they are acquired. This way someone who only does PvP can ignore raid drops, and vice versa. Also, jewelcrafters can easily scan the list and see which jewels are craftable. Here's an example of what I intend:

[Example removed to save space.]

I'm interested in comments for or against this before I start tagging up the list.

-- Mortalwombat 12:02, 5 February 2007 (EST)


 * Very nice, two points. 1) Do any drop in 5-mans or hard-mode 5-mans?  If so "D" might need expanded.  2) some craftables require reputation to buy the pattern, so perhaps that should be shown as well.  Personally I'd use 2 letters for these... "Vp" = Vendor PvP, "Vf" = Vendor faction rep, "Cf" Crafted faction rep.  The tags could also be linked to the corresponding wiki page for the vendor, faction, or other source to help the user find what they need quickly.   13:34, 5 February 2007 (EST)


 * I took your advice and separated the tags into tags and sub-tags. Added "limited" to the sub tags to indicate vendors with limited supply.  I haven't seen any non-raid drop jewels yst, but I'll keep my eye out as I go through the list.  If some pop up, I'll differentiate them.  I'm going to work on simply adding source tags for now, but perhaps if time permits, I can go back and  link them to vendors / bosses / etc.  -- Mortalwombat 15:26, 5 February 2007 (EST)


 * On another note, some recipes are random world drops/instance drops and would therefore be much rarer than say a recipe bought from the hellfire peninsula vendor, perhaps it would be helpful to indicate this as well? (such as Cv for a normal vendor, Cf for a faction gained recipe, and Cd for a dropped recipe)--Josemite 22:52, 5 February 2007 (EST)


 * I'm willing to consider this, but perhaps it's "too much" information? Technically, the source of the recipes should be listed on the jewelcrafting page, not the jewels page.  I have been marking the rep-required recipes as such.  I could go back and sub-tag the other crafted jewels with the recipe source, but only if that is really appropriate.  Mortalwombat 09:30, 6 February 2007 (EST)


 * Yes, now that I think about it more that would be too much, keep it simpler and just keep that information in the jewel subpage--Josemite 11:29, 6 February 2007 (EST)

band
i wonder if we could do something with the band template:

may be nice. 03:56, 8 February 2007 (EST)


 * mmmm... interesting.... Wonder if those can work in headings  03:25, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * hrm, i stuck some header bars above the tables (should be 100% width), not happy with the orange color yet though 03:54, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Category in AH
Under the sources, could someone add how to search for jewels in the AH? I haven't found out where they're listed yet(category etc), and I think it would be useful.Lijakaca 19:53, 22 February 2007 (EST)
 * Well you know the items names from here... but if you're looking for categories I think they crop up under Consumable 03:28, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * trade goods i think... blizzard is planning a category.. but yeh.. takes a while  03:40, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * Yes, trade goods...but it's nearly impossible to search for something like 'a blue gem'. Better to look here and see what you want, make two or three choices, then search by name for those. --Azaram 05:59, 3 March 2007 (EST)

Missing jewels
A list of missing jewels, here's what I've found so far:

--Josemite 10:54, 23 February 2007 (EST)


 * So add them, this is a wiki after all.  13:49, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * Alright, everything on wowhead should be on there, at least the numbers seem to add up. --Josemite 01:32, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Contradiction?

 * It should be noted that gems which match multiple socket colors can fulfill meta gem requirements for any color they match. For example, if a meta gem needs 3 red and 2 yellow to activate, 3 orange gems can activate this gem.

Seems to contradict:


 * Multi-colored gems will count towards both of their colors when socketed into an item, but will only count as one jewel, meaning you need the relevant amount of gems, but they can be Multi-colored.

Anyone who can either make this more clear, or correct it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * They count multiple times, Blizzard has confirmed this on their page about socket bonuses. I thought all the changes had been corrected, guess they weren't.   22:15, 11 March 2007 (EDT)