Talk:Arthas: Rise of the Lich King

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Do you think Arthas and the newly announced Stormrage by Knaak will be following the Warcraft 3 / Frozen Throne campaigns or will be featuring these characters in their current state?Dakovski (talk) 05:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

As I'm sure Ragestorm will say, this is not a forum and such discussion doesn't belong here. On a personal note, I'd say that seems likely, and if its true I hope there is also a Thrall novel in the works as well, as a direct sequal to Lord of the Clans.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 06:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Golden stated, or at least implied, that it's akin to telling Arthas' story. The "present" will be in/around WotLK and the past leading up to that. On another note, where did the release date come from?--Hawki (talk) 03:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Title
The picture of the front cover says Athas: Rise of the Lich King. I think that would be the whole title correct? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 11:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am moving the article.Dakovski (talk) 11:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool that works. LOL Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 11:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

World of Warcraft in front of hte title?
Isn't the title a bit long? Since when have we put "World of Warcraft" in front of titles? Are we to start moving Beyond the Dark Portal to World of Warcraft: Beyond the Dark Portal? This page could easily just be Arthas: Rise of the Lich King.

Its no freakin duh that most websites will have "world of warcraft" in front of the main title of the book since that's standard practice for all the novels. Previous novels list the books as "World of Warcraft", or "Warcraft" as part of their titles. But we have never once listed the series title under the book articles in the past, except for if a title needs to be disambiguated from something with the same title. Please give a good reason why we would change the system now?Baggins (talk) 01:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hallow's End?
I know this isn't a forum, and what I say won't change much, but anyone else think that Hallow's End being in the book is kinda a plot-hole? I mean, if the Hallow's End article is correct, Hallow's End is supposed to celebrate the Forsaken's defection from the Scourge.

But...the Forsaken didn't exist yet. As in, no Hallow's End. Yet...Hallow's End is in this. PLOT-HOLE ANYONE!?!?!??!?!?! Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 02:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hallow's End was originally a festival near the end of harvest for humans. The Forsaken later adopted it. Possibly the name itself was used for the original version.--Hawki (talk) 10:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 10:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Galley
I won one of the galleys for the book, so is it alright if I begin creating profiles for the new characters and updating information, or do I have to wait till the official book is released to make the changes? I know the differences between the galley and the original. I've got some pivotal information on our darling Captain, but I don't know what the rules are in this scenario. --Timolas (talk) 20:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Newer comments on the bottom please. Rule is about two weeks after official release dates (Were dying to update these articles as well). So no spoilers yet. BTW good job on you know what. 22:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Someone let me know when the ETA is lifted. By god please let me have the honour of making the Falric article, I think I earned it with the dilemma I solved, and Falric is one of my favourite characters! --Timolas (talk) 19:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Without giving many spoilers, I just think that "The Captain" page should become a page akin to Emissary, and then give each part of W3 to each character.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 08:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to disagree Lon. Separate characters deserve separate pages, so to speak. --Timolas (talk) 14:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * More than one person is called captain, and they all play the W3 cinematics as The Captain with the same voice actor.


 * "The Captain" page should be like "Emmissary" page, something like a disambiguation.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 09:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Parallels with StarCraft?
This is perhaps stretching things, especially as I'm not among the lucky buggers who got their hands on the novel early, but I've noticed a key similarity between this novel and the StarCraft novel I, Mengsk in regards to their seperation of sections-three each, all covering a period of their protagonist's life. Judging from the three sections mentioned in this article, it definetly seems to be the case.

Granted this technique is hardly unique, but with Arcturus and Arthas being key characters in their respective universes and with the two books being written by different authors, I can't help but wonder if this may be something of a standard modus operandi by Blizzard, dictating a similar style of writing for phases of their protagonists' life. Not overt trivia, but I thought it was perhaps worth mentioning.--Hawki (talk) 10:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Final Chapter
As I have read it, it seems that in the final chapter, there is a dream scene with Arthas, Matthias Lehner, and Ner'zhul. In that scene, Arthas stabs Matthias. I understand that this is when his heart was removed. But after he stabs Lehner, Ner'zhul starts to ramble about what they can do together. Before he can finish, Arthas stabs Ner'zhul and proclaims: "No, no we. No one tells me what to do.  I've got everything I need from you - now the power is mine and mine alone.  Now there is only I.  I am the Lich King". Is this a lore recton as to the Lich King's identity, or is it truly a no-purpose dream? --Noabr (talk) 21:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's real and it's consequences are also. 02:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's real. There's only Arthas now.


 * Warcraft: Legends Volume 4 confirms it too. Watch the preview and see it by yourself.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 11:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Or, what I said on Talk:Lich King, what "left" from Arthas, "it" is now a creature of pure power and evil. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 14:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Timeline Continuity Error?
According to Drak'Thul in the Frozen Throne, Gul'dan had found the Tomb of Sargeras "nearly twenty years ago." That was towards the end of the Second War. Arthas was 24 years old in RoC, so he would have been about 25 in the Frozen Throne. So he couldn't have been older than 6 when the Second War started. (25-19=6.) Yet the book says he was 9 or 10 when the Second War started.


 * Alpha that's just one of literaly hundreds of problems with the official timelines. My advice is to put it out of your mind. The article just needs to state what the sources dealing directly with the the topic at hand say (In this case the book). If we got into this in the article it would stretch on and on and on. 02:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Time at Warcraft universe is fucked up. Don't try to find it sense. I'd just be happy with knowing what came first and what came third, without caring about the time that passed between each event.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The night at Hearthglen...
Now I haven't read the book yet, but i heard Jaina and Arthas 'rocked the Kashbah' in Hearthglen and promised each other after the war they would come back together, is that true and if so shouldn't we put it in both bio's of the charectures since it's sort of a big plot point. .Gorvar


 * On pages 92 and 93, Arthas takes Jaina to bed on Hallow's End, but the details of the event do not go into detail.-- 18:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

You would think for books which show demonic rituals/sacrifices, dismemberments and gore, they would at least go into a bit more depth to what happens behind closed doors and sqeaking bed matrasses. You sure it was only during the Hallows end, because i heard from a reliable source that they got closer again in Hearthglen the night before the attack. Gorvar


 * On pages 132 and 133, they have a heartfelt talk before the battle. On 144, which is between when Arthas talks to Medivh and Stratholme, they might be getting physical again. What did you hear?-- 21:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I heard it from a guy on youtube who reviews Warcraft lore and books. He is very reliable and very accurate about the charectures and events. Check weaponxsj on youtube and go for Arthas 101. Gorvar (talk) 21:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)Gorvar


 * They had 53X. End. If you don't realize it by yourself after reading the book, well, then it's because you're too young yet, and I'm sure Christie intended it, no misinterpretation by readers, not at all.
 * So, does this mean Jaina has a son/daughter? Who knows.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I heard a unfounded rumour she had a child in Dalaran, but it was mixed with 'Light and shadows', but then again, it's just that, a rumour that cant be backed up unless Blizzard suddenly shows a kid running around in theramore. Gorvar (talk) 11:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, they ended their relationship only same days after the first time, and didn't see each other until long. She could have had the child in secret.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Could be intresting if Blizzard takes the bait....Gorvar (talk) 13:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

How an unlucky guy Arthas is! First time had "a night at Hearthglen..." with a girl that he became father. C'mon you're a little too deep with your fantasy!!! --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 15:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

How do you mean? Gorvar (talk) 15:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm just glad Christie Golden is alot more comfortable writing about romance than Richard A. Knaak. In the War of the Ancients Trilogy the Malfurion/Tyrande romance was the most awkward thing ever, which builds up over three books to a light peck on the lips at the end :S [[Image:Marks Spec RoundIcon.png]] Tazmantdr [[Image:WC3RoC_logo_16x32.png]] Talk Contr. 21:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

She does yeh, she doesn't go into great detail about 'teh s3x', but you know it's a happy moment for both charectures and it means something in the long run. Like Durotan and Draka or Alleria and Turalyon. She wrote them down well and made their romance plausible. Gorvar (talk) 22:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Matthias?
Why is Matthias Lehner in Supporting Characters? I read the book and I have not spotted him, or was this an error and someone thought the 'sick boy' was Matthias?&#39;Eya (talk)
 * It's extremely likely that the sick boy in the prologue and epilogue is indeed Matthias Lehner. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:32, October 26, 2009 (UTC)