Talk:Stormwind (kingdom)

Is the flag still being used?
Is Stormwind using the old flag of Azeroth? Theron.


 * Yes, and lion's head is found on shields and elsewhere. You can just make it out on the small picture showing the front gates in this article.--Aeleas 10:14, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Viva la Azeroth!
I feel strongly that Blizzard should change "Stormwind" back to Azeroth. They only changed it because it was confusing, but if people can't figure it out then they're too young to be playing WoW! Mannerheim

Currency
According to Lands of Conflict, apparently some of the outlying ares like Westfall, Redridge, and Duskwood are using different currency than that used in Stormwind itself, and some of them won't accept Stormwind currency in protest because it hasn't sent them help.

It seems to strongly imply that they consider themselves sovereign independent nations that are part of Storwind's Alliance, or at least satellite nations trying to have some form of independence.Baggins 22:29, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Section not merged from Azeroth
The following section was not merged from Azeroth because the information it contains is already included in this article in greater detail. --Voidvector 06:44, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Azeroth (Kingdom)
The Kingdom of Azeroth was one of the original seven kingdoms that split from the kingdom of Arathor. The nation was destroyed during the First War, with its refugees becoming part of the Alliance of Lordaeron during the Second War, and rebuilt following the Alliance victory over the Horde in that conflict, with a new capital, "New Stormwind". The kingdom was renamed the Kingdom of Stormwind after the Third War.


 * And why would they change the name of their Kingdom?! Thats like renaming Great Britain to the Kingdom of London! Their not a city-state like Dalaran. Mannerheim

Why did you erase my signed name? As for why the kingdom's name was changed? I don't know ask Blizzard.Baggins 18:02, 5 January 2007 (EST)


 * They probably changed to name just to avoid confusion. If all the original names were kept, we'd have azeroth the continent, azeroth the kingdom, and azeroth the world, instead of the eastern kingdoms and stormwind we have in the game right now.Minionman 15:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Isnt the continent still called Azeroth? Blizzard is a bitch for renaming it. I MEAN THERE IS A CONTINENT CALLED AUSTRALIA, A country and a street. (yet we never renaimed that street xd)

Settlements in the Swamp of Sorrows
Is there any lore on the forts and settlements in the Swamp of Sorrows in the First War? They're obviously there, but did Azeroth lay claim to the vast region?--Mannerheim 00:54, 9 March 2007 (EST)

History section
Let's see what to focus on: the first part seems good to me and the rest of the history must be short as the current. It miss:
 * Reconstrucion of the Capital
 * Nobles debts with stonemasons
 * Birth of the Defias Brotherhood
 * Varian disappearence/Katrana appearence (don't take this as a chronological order)
 * Nation split/region control loss
 * Birth of local governments/anarchy
 * Brief hint to Varian's return

Oh and about the table section I didn't understand how you require it, however I made just a stub. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 19:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

nation of Stormwind
If the word "nation" is actually lower-case then it should be removed from the page. Every single kingdom has been called "nation of" in lore. I have read the RPGs and I have seen it a dozen times. We would have to put that "nation of" on every page if this is the case. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 07:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Kingdom of Stormwind and Stormwind
I don't really understand the difference between this article (Kingdom of Stormwind) and the article Stormwind. Aren't they both the same? Stormwind is labeled as the city plus the surrounding mountain region. Isn't that the current kingdom? The surrounding zones/lands were only part of the Azeroth kingdom.. Besides, anything mentioned in this article is explained in greater detail in the 'Stormwind' article. Unireal 22:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * One is about the region of stormwind according to the lore in the RPG which is the city and the mountains behind it, not including Elwyn Forest (which is considered its own region). This article is about the kingdom, its current and previous land holdings.Baggins (talk) 20:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Though, seeing as the current kingdom itself consists of nothing more than the city + Stormwind zone, won't it be likely that anything mentioned about the kingdom will already be covered in either the 'Stormwind City' article or the Stormwind zone article? I also thought any mention of previous outposts would lead to the 'Kingdom of Azeroth' article. (I know I'm quite new here, so please be gentle with me :-). I'm just being curious)... In any case, the template (Template:Faction_links) should link to the Kingdom or city, instead of the zone. Unireal 23:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * They are not exactly the same... the Stormwind region is a self contained region that does not include Elwynn Forest, or any of the outlying regions. It is bordered by Elwynn Forest region.


 * The Kingdom of Stormwind is region/nation that includes several outlying regions. This article breaks down the relations between the various outlying regions. But it is in contrast to the earlier Kingdom of Azeroth which had its own set of regions.


 * We once had the the two pages merged before, but people were rightfully confused on differences between the self-contained region, and the kingdom itself.Baggins (talk) 05:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Faction or region
Seeing as this article is about the faction 'Kingdom of Stormwind', would it not be more logical to have a faction infobox, instead of a Infobox zone? The Infobox zone is already covered in the Stormwind region article. This actually goes for all 'kingdom' related articles. I'm not touching it myself though. Last time I changed a Infobox zone, despite my good intentions, I screwed up horribly :p. Unireal 05:02, 15 March 2009 (CET)
 * um, Stormwind (faction). Let me fix the links in the page.Baggins (talk) 04:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps one can merge this article into the Stormwind (faction) article? The ingame reputation faction is pretty much the same as the kingdom described in this article. Unireal 05:28, 15 March 2009 (CET)
 * Nah, new system being followed. Player race pages, and faction pages are seperate entities despite the amount of cross over might exist with other pages. Essentially its been deemed mandatory to seperate game mechanics from lore pages. Previously the game mechanics were in the general stormwind page scattered throughout the entire article, and not easy to find. The decision is now to have just the mechanic material on the page to make it easier for players to understand the reputation system.Baggins (talk) 04:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. That makes sense. My point about the Infobox zone in this article still stands though. It is not a zone. It is a faction. This goes for all kingdom articles actually. Unireal 23:35, 19 March 2009 (CET)


 * Technically more of a region than a faction. Yes, not really the same thing as an in-game zone.Baggins (talk) 11:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Regions are just like in-game zones. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 05:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * They can be, but in most non-WoW media Azeroth is a lot bigger (Not represented fully in WoW).-- 19:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well scale wise you are right. On paper though, they would be the same written or something. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 01:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

This discussion seems more about distinguishing between the land and the faction controlling it, but no, they are not completely the same.-- 20:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The difference here is that in game Stormwind is not a zone but a subzone of Elwynn Forest zone. In the RPG it was a region seperate from Elwynn Forest.Baggins (talk) 07:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Population..again..
Sorry if I'm being annoying about this. I was reading the City page and saw 200,000 people living there,and then here with 200,000 people in the Kingdom? How does that work? --Senoj (talk) 00:06, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * The RPGs say that the city has 200,000 but they doesn't mention the kingdom's total population, so I think I'll remove it from this infobox. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 02:55, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh right :) could it be estimated by adding up the population of the city and the other zones? I assume the populations there are all from the RPG.. --Senoj (talk) 14:02, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Westfall
Wait a sec. I don't get it anymore. Some parts of the article say that Westfall is also Stormwind, but some parts say that isn't the case. So... is Westfall also Stormwind, or is it still Defias or something else? (Luxor (talk) 06:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC))