Talk:Goblin

Loyalty
It appears some goblins still are loyal to the horde. You can find horde pvped goblins in Feralas,Ogrimmar and the zepplin.

My theory is that the goblins are 100 % neutral.

The goblins in Feralas are also friendly for alliance. They are the only goblins that give repeatable quest that gives you reputation with Steamwheedel Cartel. And I think blizz made them friendly for both horde or alliance so no one could kill them. Those mobs are near the path almost every ally take to get to dire maul. If they would not be friendly all allys would kill them every time they were gonna do dire maul.

There are 3 reasons there are goblins in ogrimmar: 1. Horde needs a engineer trainer in Kalimdor and in their capital. 2. They are needed in order to complete the "Samophlange" quest chain. 3. They give horde-quests for gnomeregan.

At first the goblins in Ogrimmar where neutral. The reason blizz made them friendly to horde and hostile to alliance is that they didn´t want ally to get that quest. The alliance version of that quest can be found in Tinker Town.

And now the Zeppelin, Alliance got boats that can make them transport safely between kalimdor and eastern kingdoms. Blizz wanted Horde to get something similar. So they gave them Zeppelins. The problem is alliance also used these transports. So blizz made the goblins friendly to horde and hostile to alliance and added level 55 elite guards.

I doubt its just for gameplay you can find horde shredders in Ashenvale. Is it that hard to believe that some goblins are not neutral. Plus this picture labled named horde races has a goblin in it. And the goblin in the horde town in Feralas is horde pvped. Remember not all goblins are the same. I think it deserves a mention in this article. Plus this picture labled named horde races has a goblin in it. http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/warcraft_metzen019b.html#gallery


 * Plus, this stupid picture doesn't even show Trolls nor Ogres.--Kirochi 09:08, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

Remember the mission in wc3, when you had to get 10000 lumber? On that mission you could buy shredders from ==Neutral== goblin buildings. The reason why the night elves and the rest of the alliance don´t have any shredders is because they don´t want to cut down the trees in ashenvale. BUT the horde wants to cut them down so they employ goblins and hire/buy shredders =) to help them harvest lumber. And the reason the goblin in the horde town in Feralas is horde PvPed is probably because of the same reason the goblins in Ogrimmar is horde pvped, Blizz does not wan´t ally to be able to get that quest. I think blizz first wanted goblins to be part of the horde, because they wanted something similar like gnomes but for horde. But then they later realised the alliance needed more towns in kalimdor. And besides goblins fits better to the role as neutral tradesmen and merchants, then slaves working for the horde.


 * Well according to the Brann Bronzebeard, Goblins can be bought or intimidated into working for the horde, LOL. Which was the likely the case for the Goblins that helped fight in first and second war.Baggins 15:28, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

The alliance mostly doesn't use shredders because gnomes can build them. And I doubt they made the goblins horde pvped for no reason. I mean there are goblins seperate from the steemwheedle cartel like Fizzle Darkstorm the goblin working for the burning blade and of course venture co. Besides goblins have always been partial to horde. I think most goblins are neutral but some goblins prefer working for the horde. I mean horde helped Gazlowe,they fought with orcs(fel orcs but still orcs) before. Saying all goblins are neutral is like saying all humans are alliance.


 * Well there is the Stormpike faction in Alterac Valley that will hire Goblin Shredders...Baggins 19:02, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

Woot finnaly someone who agrees with me I've been saying goblins should have been horde for years. Yet every time some one always says their too neutral. But not all goblins are the same whos to say some feel they have more in common with the horde then the steamwheedle cartel. -Goblin sapper

Shouldn't this be pluralized as per WoWWiki guidelines? Gilly DH 12:16, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

Theres also an Alliance goblin in SW Castle. Mr.X8 22:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Goblins origins?
They are natives to Azeroth for sure, but... (you know what I mean). Theron.


 * They are moste likely to come from an island south of Maelstrom. (can't remember the name of the island) On that island, the goblin capital, Undermine is located, and it is there the four trade princes (including Sam Steamwheedle and Yanik Venture) reside. Since their capital is there, it is most likely that the island is their origin. --Kulsprutejojjo 07:10, 22 August 2006 (EDT)


 * Hypothesis; They evolved from Trolls. *shrugs* they shared the same islands. --Nurizeko

Goblins evolved from Dragons?
Well, I had just a slight thought about this. First, is that I thought that Goblins were reptilian, their green skin might be scaley and they have been described as "cold blooded" and "beady eyed", reptilian characteristics. Now, supposedly all reptiles on Azeroth are evolved from Dragons, which is why most reptiles (Crocolisks, basilisks) have six limbs (Dragons have 4 legs, 2 wings). Now, goblins do NOT have 6 limbs, and that is one of the fundamental problems with my theorey (Also the fact that they have hair AND the females have boobs. Lawlz, bewbz). Finally, I believe in one of the RP books, it is stated that the reason Goblins are so greedy is because Gold is one of their staple food sources. Consuming metal is a telltale sign of a silicon based life form. What silicon based lifeforms do we have? The Earthen, created by the Titans. In addition, Dragons have been known to both consume Earth (Black Dragons, I think) and hoard gold, I guess to consume. So, now, do all creations of the Titans eat minerals, and are all metal and rock eating beings related to Titanic creations, furthermore, are all mineral consumers related to titanic creations? I mean, if all reptiles are related to Dragons, and Dragons eat minerals, that also explains why basilisks turn enemies to crystal, now wouldn't it? Omacron 22:19, 31 October 2006 (EST)


 * Interesting.
 * Actually in RPG books we learn that there is a pre-species of Goblin named Spider-Eye Goblin, which most likely descends from Spiders. OK, that sounds crappy, but it's the only hint we've got.
 * Something related : in the WotA trilogy the Goblins worked for Deathwing/Neltharion, to craft the Dragon soul and his armor, so they were already around and ass-kicking engineers.-- K )  (talk) 04:28, 1 November 2006 (EST)
 * Ah, but that's like saying apes and humans cannot both exist at the same time. Also, regarding spider-eye goblins, I have nothing to say... another blow to my theory, but a theory nonetheless. Omacron 18:56, 3 November 2006 (EST)
 * About your point on apes & humans: the monkeys we know today aren't the same as our ancestors. They have evolved too, and we merely have a common ancestor.-- K )  (talk) 01:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

'Goblins don't outmatch' blahblahblah ...
'... because they often blow themselves up'. I wish I could do that too =) . That's maybe why even "breeding like rabbits" they still not always give birth to children =) .-- K )  (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2006 (EST)

"That's maybe why even 'breeding like rabbits' they still not always give birth to children." That doesn't make sense. In order to be constituted as 'breeding' they must give birth to children. Breeding has no other meaning, and if you think it does, then you need to be reread the dictionary. Acjpb 17:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Goblin's don't beat the Gnomes in Engineering, the only reason that their technology is more prevailent around the world is because they're so focused on selling their stuff to everyone else. Razzik 03:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I would think Gob and Gnome tech is kinda seperate but equal. They specialize in different fields of engineering. Goblins tech is more for times of war, Gnome is more just for.....everytime else. Basicly a Gob would probably build a nuke while gnome would build a car that runs on water. It's just the different mentalities. Rannulf 01:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

goblins came from trolls or vice-versa
any1 think trolls came from goblins or the other way around cause there is a little resembence. ideas?Airiph 19:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * They came from Spider-eye goblins; trolls are older anyway if there is relation at all.-- 19:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

it was an idea...latly ideas were all ive bean doing Airiph 19:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That is fine. :P -- 19:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Spider-eye goblins are stated to be one of the first goblinoid races. It is not said that they are the ancestors of the prime goblins. The term goblinoid also indicates that they look like goblins, but aren't actual goblins.--Austin P 21:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * <:O -- 22:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I think they came from Orcs, if anyone. --Cyfer Prodier (talk) 17:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, they don't. The orcs are from Draenor, the goblins are from Azeroth (world). Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Main pic
Is that the best main pic we got? Cormundo 16:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured
How does this article get to be featured when it has a huge warning right at the top? Kimera757 13:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Necromancy
Aren't some of them necromancers too? I think there was a quest in Durotar where you're supposed to kill one. Maybe he's a warlock, I haven't played a warlock since December '06  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  15:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * He is a warlock, not a necromancer (I don't think there are any undead mobs in Durotar, as a matter of fact). Fizzle Darkstorm in Thunder Ridge.--Illidan Rocks 17:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Landro
I added Landro Longshot to the Notable Goblins list, think he is notable ;) --The Lich King 17:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Dark Factions has a history of the goblins!
Warlock has done a review on SoL - http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=71903 09:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Great! I look forward to seeing all the other lore mentioned. :) -- 18:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Ogre Mount
I was wondering where it mentions Goblins using Ogres as mounts? (talk - contr ) 04:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The goblin alchemist neutral hero unit in the frozen throne rode in a ricksha(sp) carried by an ogre. I think it says somewhere else they use ogre mounts as well, but I'm not sure.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 05:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL Ogres are not that smart are they.        (talk  - contr ) 06:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No actually they just like gold for carrying around a little guy on their back. Lordrayken (talk) 10:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

When the "smart-evolution" happens?
So, it is common knowledge since the War2x that the goblins made the armor of deathwing: "Their earliest appearance chronologically was in War of the Ancients trilogy; Neltharion created the Demon Soul before the War of the Ancients with the help of goblin artificers — hinting that the goblins may be an ancient race."

But how can they have done it just after the War of ancients if they become smart-freaks after they got exposed to the minerals, which was extracted form the island, created after the sundering?!?!?!


 * Well, the island might have existed prior to the Sundering. The continents were all pressed together, but a few islands might have been present. Or the goblins in Neltharion's servants were his personal slaves and he increased their intelligence himself. Or Knaak wasn't told about the mineral. Or the RPG people didn't take Neltharion's goblins into account. Or some combination thereof. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 18:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I always thought that the minerals made them smart in creating devices that were complicated like Clockwerk goblins or anything with a lot of moving parts that could break down if not maintained correctly. Or they could have just been a different type of goblin as there is with Coal goblins.    Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25x25px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 20:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I should point out that there is no mention of the mineral-obtained intelligence in any source other than the RPG. I've never seen it until this discussion (shows how often I read the race articles) -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 01:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * When in doubt, doubt the RPG.-- K )  (talk) 18:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Point of note as far as I know no source states that the island of Kezan was formed after the sundering. As for its location it is approximately south of both current continents. No source states when the Goblins were mining the mineral. Yes, the smartness was for technology of the engineering kind, rather than blacksmithing variety. There is a huge difference between forging metal plates, than creating robots. Baggins (talk) 11:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Classes
This is a general question also. How do we know that all the classes listed for a race are really classes? I know the RPG, WoW, and other games gives us many classes but what about Bruiser or Grunt? Aren't those more like occupations? Is the part of an NPC's name also the name of a class always? If we are getting Bruiser from Goblin Bruiser and Grunt from some other NPC, does that mean we can say Miner is a class because of all the NPCs with Miner in their name or that Quartermaster is a class because of all the NPCs with Quartermaster in their name? For instance, it says on the Herald article that is is a class. Wouldn't Herald be an occupation for that NPC? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 13:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Alignment
IMO, goblin's alignment should be Neutral Evil, not only Neutral, they are greed and go only for their interests. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 13:31, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems that the sources say that as a whole the goblins are True Neutral. They are right down the middle. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 13:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it totally makes sense for Goblins to be Neutral Evil. (SARCASM.) I really love it when people don't read the same article they are discussing about... AND I QUOTE... VERBATIM... FROM THE WOWWIKI GOBLIN PAGE... "Old friends, the goblins fought with the Horde in the Second War, but broke off when they realized that it's more profitable to work both sides. However, many goblins remember the fun of the Horde and are willing to lower mercenary prices to Thrall and his people. Goblins offer almost exclusive transport services for the Horde, whether in their steamboats or zeppelins" Yep. Goblins are definitley only looking out for themselves. Of course. Yep. /SARCASM /SARCASM. Lordrayken (talk) 10:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Goblins and the Horde
I think some are still loyal to the Horde because they might be related to Orcs... I know how stupid that sounds but they bot hare naturally green in terms of skin color... Is this a possibility?


 * No, there isn't any relation, they are from different planets. And maybe some goblins are Horde-aligned or even allies, but you can't say they are loyal to the Horde if there isn't a source. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, orcs aren't supposed to be green, they're supposed to be brown, so unless goblins have also been corrupted by fel magic, they can't be related. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 11:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If skin color denotes relation, then oh my god, Black and White people must be two different aliens on planet earth. Lordrayken (talk) 10:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I have 3 things that burst your theory, Mr. Unknown(What else should I call the guy???), about orcs and goblins related.

1: The Goblins are from Kezan, same island as the Trolls, and are probably a little related to them.

2: The Goblins are green, yes, orcs are green, yes, BUT, the orcs are from a totaly DIFFERENT PLANET, and, the orcs should have been BROWN.

See my point? --Hey, I'm Gerrom 09:04, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Playable Race
Wow.com has just reviled Goblins(along with Worgen) to be a playable race in the next expansion (WoW: Cataclysm). I would add this information myself, but I don't know if this information is vetted yet. Plus, I don't want to screw anything up.

Oh, and Goblins will be Horde-side only. So much for neutrality.

http://www.wow.com/2009/08/10/cataclysm-races-leaked/

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 * Until it's confirmed by Blizzard, it doesn't go in. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Halgy, its not ALL the goblins, just some of them. Some of the goblins respect the Horde, because they remember how fun it was during the 2nd war, but others care so much about profit. --Hey, I'm Gerrom 09:06, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

When they join the Horde, what happens to all their cities? BobNamataki (talk) 16:10, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think somewhere else, somebody said the Steamwheedle Cartel cities would remain neutral. The guys we'll be able to play will be Bilgewater or something, and because they'll be affiliated with Horde, they will only allow Horde characters into their cities.  --Super Bhaal (talk) 20:07, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

goblin classes and faith
this article says: "Goblins place their faith in themselves and in gold. They raise eyebrows at insubstantial concepts such as shamanism and the Holy Light, preferring gods they can see, weigh, and spend.". Is it just me, or is it strange that, if this is true, the new playable goblins can become shaman and priest? Or is this just the very adaptive bilgewater cartel? Mezirsha (talk) 18:38, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Too soon to know.-- 18:40, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * As of Cata's release we know the priests exist mainly to accept "donations", and the shaman are basically business men...that deal with the elements.¡Por la Horda! (talk) 04:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Goblin Death Knights
Whats the explanation for goblin death knights? The only thing I can think of is that some of the goblins who fought for the Horde in Northrend were killed and raised by the Lich King. Olioster (talk) 09:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * As said on the page Death knight races the goblin death knights are former members of the Steamwheedle Cartel. The whole explanation can be found in the quest A Special Surprise
 * - Aedror (talk) 10:52, 20 April 2011 (UTC)