Talk:Religion

Wildhammers and Shamanism ?????
Hum ... I agree that the Wildhammers are much more involved in the respect of the nature and the primitive life than their other Dwarven cousins, but how the hell do we know they're shamanistic ? Is it just a suggestion based on what we know of them or was it quickly mentioned by an early official statement ?--Kirochi 09:27, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


 * Good point, I'm pretty sure they aren't truly shamanistic either. -- Kirkburn 10:20, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


 * I'm pretty sure there's confirmation in one of the RPG books, but I don't have them so I can't cite it. --Kakwakas 15:10, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


 * It's mentioned in the Alliance & Horde Compendium, so I added it in. --Kinst 00:19, 13 November 2006 (EST)


 * I'm pretty sure the connection is as old as Warcraft II, IIRC.Baggins 00:22, 13 November 2006 (EST)

Murloc Voodoo?
I removed murlocs from the voodoo & loa worship section. There's no evidence of murlocs worshipping loa or performing voodoo... They pretty much only follow the naga (and thus most likely Old Gods). --Kakwakas 00:13, 11 September 2006 (EDT)

Ogres
Some sources state that they are shamanistic ... Well, we've already discussed this point and it's not up to me to decide what to write there. But there's actually something else : there were Ogre Stonemaul priests in Warcraft III : TFT (second part of Rexxar's campaign). As a bookkeeper I'd have to be able to answer the question "So, who do they pray to?", but I have to say that I'm clueless on this subject. Not the Holy Light, not the Troll Gods, not Elune, maybe the Gronns?--Kirochi 04:51, 11 September 2006 (EDT)


 * I think its Shamanism, as they are tied to the orcs in some ways at least from the time on Draenor, and the Ogre Magi from WC3 has spells that look awfully lot like the orc shaman spells -Rovdyr 16:44, 19 February 2007 (EST)


 * No, shamans use shamanism. Priests don't use shamanism. A magi is not the same as a priest. A shaman is not the same as a priest. Nobundo himself is a living proof of the difference between a shaman and a priest. Before : a religion. After : shamanism.-- K )  (talk) 17:44, 21 February 2007 (EST)


 * I think you're taking it a little too far. Just because the class was called Stonemaul Priest doesn't mean that they necessarily couldn't be shamanistic. That happened lots in WCIII, for example the Tauren Spirit Walker was a shamanisic class that was not called, per se, a shaman. --~ Grudgham (talk) 20:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, by the orcs and taurens shamans are regarded as the spiritually leaders, like priests is in the real world, so i'd say that Shamanism is a religion, as it is also on this page, therefore it could be that its synonyms -Rovdyr 16:42, 7 March 2007 (EST)


 * I'm no expert, but they have a shaman class and a priest separate class ... Hence ...-- K )  (talk) 10:04, 8 March 2007 (EST)

There are several kinds of ogre shamans in wow, especially in TBC for instance Ango'Rosh Shamans are scattered all over north western Zangarmarsh, and though it might not be the primary religion the draenei is listed as shamans and their primary religion is clearly the light. -Rovdyr 20:12, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Just because their race has shaman doesn't mean that their religion is necessarily based strictly around animistic shamanism. Ogres use warlocks as well as shaman... which would suggest that they are demon-worshippers as well as spirit-worshippers. BUT the Burning Crusade manual says that the Ogres worship their demigod-ancestors, the Gronn. The same thing holds true with the naga: they have shaman and sirens, but they worship Azshara as a demigoddess. We have to make sure that we keep in mind the distinction between the supernatural forces they embrace when fighting and the ones they honor and worship. --~ Grudgham 15:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * When you mention the term "priest", you are only looking at a single side of the matter. If I remember correctly, it is up to the individual to decide whether they want to follow the Light or the Shadow. If so, is it not possible that they follow a form of necromantic priesthood? --Whatariot34 3:00pm EST, may 2009

Faith (word usage)
The RPG source book LoC uses the word Faith instead of Religion. May be we should move? --Voidvector 12:22, 1 January 2007 (EST)


 * I think that faith and religion are two different things. Faith is in your head and heart, religion is in your community. We won't go and ask an NPC about what he thinks of the Earth Mother, while we still can get clues about how he celebrates her. We really can't tell about faith but we do about religion.-- K )  (talk) 17:44, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Troll shamans
Does having the player class mean they are shamans? I don't know much about the Trolls but I always thought of the Troll player class shaman as witchdoctors or somethign simmilar. Zukhramm 11:09, 17 January 2007 (EST)


 * I agree, nothing truly justifies the Trolls' shamanistic ways. Maybe what was called 'witch-doctor' during Warcraft III could mean priest OR mage OR shaman. Then, game mechanics, blah blah blah. That, and the Horde needed more than only two races in the Earthen Ring-- K )  (talk) 17:44, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Earth Mother
What religion is Earth Mother? --Voidvector 21:07, 17 January 2007 (EST)


 * Tauren, no official name.-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:12, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Draenor?
I've been wondering for a long time about the native religions on Draenor. Burning Crusade solved a lot of those problems when they explained the Draenei (Holy Light Naaru thing) and the Ogres (Gronn) but they still have yet to explain the Orc religion. It's simply described as shamanism, but then they talk about more concrete Orcish dieties, the Five Elementals. There's also, just based on a lot of the Orc dialogue, some ancestor worship going on. Also, on a couple of servers on WoW that I had characters on, a sort of unofficial Panethon was made up based a lot on Norse and Greco-Roman mythology. It seemed to make sense to everyone, and they explained the idol on the Orc Altar of Storms in WC3 as Draenor's Thunder God. If anyone has any more enlightening information about the Orcs' religion please post. ~ Grudgham 15:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't really understand the problem here.. The orcs are Shamanistic, and it's as simple as that. Read the pages for Shamanism, and the Elemental Spirits and it should be pretty much solved, as they don't really have a 'pantheon' in the same way as the norse or the greco-roman beliefs, however if you wanna RP in that way, and the community around you is accepting it, don't let me stop you :P -Rovdyr (talk) 15:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The RPing wasn't really the thing that concerned me, I know that has no effect on lore, what I was more concerned about was the Altar of Storms statue. The Altar in WCII, when it was still a warlock monument, didn't have any statue like that on it, but since the orcs under Thrall have "reclaimed it" as part of their shamanistic culture, I figured there was some correlation between the sculpture being honored and the orcish shamanistic religion. I suppose it's possible that the statue merely depicts an orcish shaman, but it doesn't really seem to fit that people would honor specific shamans with statues... they seemed to be less vain than that. --~ Grudgham (talk) 20:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Name change
Really, "Other gods" just doesn't sound right. "Deities" "Objects of worship" or "Speculative or self proclaimed gods" seems it would fit better. Also, I'm pretty sure the elemental lords belong back on the Eternal page, as they are listed as eternal in shadows and light.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 05:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ya I have tried like five titles and they keep getting erased or redirected, so you can come up with a proper name if you want for this one. The elemental lords had no citation. No citation means it has to go, go, go.        (talk  - contr ) 05:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Ragnaros, shadows and light page 103, Nepulon page 101, Al'akir page 99, and Therazane page 105. All have the eternal template, which is the same thing that lables Elune, Cenarius, and the other ancients as eternal. If they ever get around to it, I'm sure a few of these characters will be labled as eternal in the rpg.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 05:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Or he could have just looked at the Shadows and Light article for the contents... But its pretty obvious he would have ignored it anyways... he's going to be enjoyig a short ban for this action, it was not the first itme I warned him for removal of the page, and adding stuff that doesn't really fit the mold of the purpose of such pages. These minor faiths go better on religion. God is a pretty bad word to really define because Blizzard has given like three defintions. The real gods and the not so real gods... and the completelyh false gods...Baggins (talk) 05:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)