Talk:Draenei Lost Ones

Shamanistic
It's said there that they have shamanistic rituals ... WTF ? If this is true (means have a solid basis) Draenei could REALLY be shamanistic ... (for God's sake oO)--Kirochi 07:29, 16 April 2006 (EDT)

Lost Ones is a name that the tribe of sub-species Draenei that came to Azeroth after the destruction of their world call themselves. However members of that type of sub-species that still exist on Draenei do not call themselves "Lost Ones", and are adds with Akama's Group which is currently known as the Broken. There is some evidence that Akama's group started out as this particular variety of mutation(as they were seen in TFT), but were mutated further into the Broken style subspecies after they were exposed to further demonic influences while under Illiden, in remarks in Blizzard's Broken article.Baggins 14:38, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

Well, well, all draenei at The Harborage have either become uncorrupted draeneir or broken style draenei.Baggins 03:27, 23 November 2006 (EST)

Page Move
What's up with the name change? I liked Lost One just fine. Are they known as "Draenei Lost Ones" anywhere? --Hobinheim 23:41, 23 December 2006 (EST)

In game, and also the RPG, they call themselves Draenei still, along with Lost Ones. Lost Ones is used more as a faction/clan name. There are some uncorrupted Draenei that still treat them as Draenei and are looking for some kind of cure to return them to their original forms.Baggins 23:43, 23 December 2006 (EST)


 * I guess I'm saying... Why namespace the faction with Draenei if there are no other Lost Ones in the universe? It's not like there are Troll Lost Ones, right? So stick with the lesser of the two for a page name. --Hobinheim 23:46, 23 December 2006 (EST)

It is more for disambiguation purposes, as they are still technically Draenei. There are also other clans that look like Lost Ones, but have different faction names.Baggins 23:50, 23 December 2006 (EST)

Blizzard has really given us a headache with the Draenei. Good god. Not that Blizzard has ever done a good job with lore housekeeping... A new quest in Swamp of Sorrows exposes us to one Draenei's suspicion that the Lost Ones are actually the result of Blood Elf meddling. Not only is this never elaborated, it seems TOTALLY superfluous. We already know that Draenei were exposed to terrible fel energies before and after the destruction of Draenor. It seems more likely to me that the Lost Ones reached their current, sad state on Draenor as a result of this exposure, and then escaped through the Dark Portal along with some (less exposed) Broken. That some of the Lost Ones are warlocks suggests the Lost Ones are the result of a second wave of Eredar corruption by the Dark Legion. benefice2 13:29, 19 January 2007 (EST)


 * I fail to see how your comment has anything to do with this topic (the changing of the pagename)-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:05, 19 January 2007 (EST)

"A new quest in Swamp of Sorrows exposes us to one Draenei's suspicion that the Lost Ones are actually the result of Blood Elf meddling."

Actually the quest only states that some giant lost ones, are were created through blood elf meddling, not all the lost ones as a whole. Lost ones have existed before blood elves came to outland.Baggins 16:56, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Man, the Blood Elves are the nosiest bunch of weirdos in WoW, they mess with gnomes, draenei, dragonhawks, lynxes. What else did they mutate into some evil kind of slave?


 * What is the excuse for this article completely violating WW:NAME? Sorry Baggins, but your initial explanation doesn't address the naming issue very clearly and seems kind of oblique. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] Fandyllic  (talk &middot; contr) 8:46 PM PST 8 Sep 2008

Class?
Why is "Druid" listed as an available character class? Doesn't seem to apply. Moonshadow101 14:45, 10 January 2007 (EST)
 * Maybe it's some reference to some Warcraft RPG info... Maybe after their degeneration they created some connection to the Nature? Or another error came out because of their retcon - I a lot of inconsistencies of the new Draenei with the rest of Warcraft Lore, especially the History of Warcraft, e.g. it says that the eredar were all innately evil, like the Nathrezim. --Sul&#39;jin 14:56, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Shamans more than druids... Don't think any RPG book lists them as druids. Although their shaman connection gives them a connection to nature.Baggins 14:51, 13 January 2007 (EST)


 * I quote, morons :

(actu) (dern) 1 décembre 2006 à 05:25 Harij (Discuter | contributions) (Added Druid (there are Lost One Druids in Zangarmash)) If you paid a look at the history you probably would've noticed why the word "Druid" was added before reverting such an interesting information.-- K )  (talk) 17:27, 13 January 2007 (EST)


 * I never reverted it.Baggins 17:28, 13 January 2007 (EST)


 * Yeah, read again. I warned you, watch the history before even considering reverting. Oh my god ...-- K )  (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2007 (EST)

I never planned to revert it. Only pointing out it wasn't from the RPG. I personally assumed it was a BC thing.Baggins 17:35, 13 January 2007 (EST)


 * Paladin is a class? They are cut off from the light, No?-- 20:31, 5 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Paladin's not listed as a class. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 22:22, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

A Feralfen DruidBaggins 22:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

they were cut off from the light as the orcs were cut off from the elements, yet they gained them back years later. the dranei became shaman after the orcs left dranor, although it was a broken who first became a shaman for the dranei. one thing i am suprised about is that the dranei cant be rouges because in WC3 all dranei had permiet constant shadow meld no matter what time of day even when they move, but it may be only the broken who can go invisable. stormrage1313666

The reason why they don't have rogues? To balance the class lists for all races. Its gameplay thing. They'll likely have ability to be rogues in the RPG.

I'm confused
Ok, I dont understand this race. Why are they druids? If they devolved, that means at one time the regular Draenei would have been at one time Broken and Lost Ones. Its like if humans were to devolve, we would devolve to apes (or Adam and Eve), not super humans. If theyre ruled over by the Broken, does that mean theyre Alliance or some of Illidans troops? How did they devolve? Demonice magic like the orcs turned red &green from it, or just some kind of new Genesis and it just happened? I dont understand why these guys were shunned, its not theyre fault they devolved, not like the orcs who chose to be like they are. Why are they mages if theyre primitive, I thought only intelligent races could become mages. Like if youre a non mage, sometimes the mage or portal trainers say youre not smart enough to understand mage or portal magic. (Mr.X8 00:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC))


 * They've physically devolved. Not necessarily mentally. Pzychotix 11:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

So that means then at one point in WoW time, the Draenei looked (or were) Broken and even farher back Lost Ones. (Mr.X8 20:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC))


 * No. You're taking devolution as the same as evolution, except backwards instead of forward.  To devolve can also mean to deteriorate, which is the case for the Draenei becoming the Broken and Lost ones.  The Broken and Lost Ones are recent changes.  From all the information that has been presented, the (unchanged) draenei have always looked as they do now.--Maenos 20:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

YES! :) thanx everyone! Now that the whole devolution thing has been solved, how come they can be druids, is there anywhere that says they were/are druids? (Mr.X8 20:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC))


 * Look up one section. Apparently there are Lost Ones who are Druids inside Zangarmarsh. Pzychotix 23:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

yeah, stupid me. I looked at that article thing  after I wrote this.

"not like the orcs who chose to be like they are." No they didn't they were tricked and lied to by the burning Legion. This is shown in Rise of The Horde. Zarnks 05:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I say they chose it. Mr.X8 22:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The orcs were tricked. The lost ones became druids after the light left and they looked for other beliefs.-- 23:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Pic
Almost every race has a smal pic such as

Do the draenei lost ones have their own pic like the races above? Mr.X8 01:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Playable races have those little pics. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah and so do alot of non playable ones. Fel orcs, high elves, ogres, broken, dark iron dwarves. Mr.X8 02:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Would someone be able to make a pic for them, since they are major inhabitants of the Swamp of Sorrows and Outland? Mr.X8 03:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Mr.X8, I hereby give you the mission of creating this icon. Good luck.-- K )  (talk) 13:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Wait, wait, wait. Half time I don't know what I'm doing when I edit stuff, I can't do it. Mr.X8 18:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

They already have one. Look: List of draenei in Azeroth. -- 18:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh the reason it didn't come up for me was because when I did Lost One, I typed in LostOne Male.

Lost one appearance retconed
no they completly retconned their appearance. There are model limitations like Grom's model in World of Warcraft but saying he was really a blue midget orc the whole time is an appearance retcon. All important lost ones are being retconned into broken for no apparent reason. If they wanted Akama to look like a broken(which were invented way later)they would have used a broken model. His appearance was completly retconned. Zarnks 02:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Stop bringing up Grom, it has no relevance here ...
 * Anyway, the draenei in WC3 weren't Lost Ones, they just used the same model. 02:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Grom wasn't green and tall,he just had the wrong model. Thats what Akama was originally intended to look like,Broken didn't even exist at that point. Now Blizzard says Akama wasn't brownskinned with two clawed toes,he was a blue tentacle guy the entire time. A complete appearance retcon. Zarnks 02:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Right. So the Broken appearance was altered, not the Lost Ones. 02:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Originally only mad draenei were called lost ones and looked identical to other draenei. Then Blizzard retconned the whole race into crazies. Zarnks 02:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And thus the discussion here also becomes pointless. 02:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

So you aprove of my changes then? Zarnks 02:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The retcon was the appearance changes, not the lore. Originally all draenei used the same model, but that was changed in the expansion. I said the discussin was pointless because you said "Originally only mad draenei were called lost ones and looked identical to other draenei. Then Blizzard retconned the whole race into crazies", which is twisting the truth to an extreme. 02:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Then Blizzard retconned the whole race into crazies", which is twisting the truth to an extreme. " No it's pretty much it. The Draenei lost ones in TFT and the harborage(pre BC) spoke eloquently and were sophisitcated in contrast to BC verison, where allare mindless,crazy creatures,inherently inferior to broken and Draenei. That in don't deserve to live(at least eyes of Blizzard and many npcs). It is a biology retcon. Zarnks 02:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Do I have to keep repeating that the draenei in WC3 were just that, draenei? Did anything actually say Akama and his followers were lost ones? 03:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

They use the lost one mode,now Blizzard is saying anyone using the model crazy,evil,both,inferior to draenei not using the model and not deserving to live. Frankly I find it sad how they took away the lore,culture and intelligence of the lost ones. Zarnks 03:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And there I was thinking we were getting somewhere ... y'know, I'm not going to keep repeating the same stuff. 04:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You guys and your WP:NPA lol Gamerunknown (talk) 13:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Backpacks
Why does every lost one have some kind of backpack. Has it ever been mentioned and explained why they have one in some kind of book or anything? Mr.X8 22:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

They were just drawn that way? They carry their skulls and kamas with them. I do not know.-- 23:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The bizarre connection between lost ones and bone golems?
Lost Ones and bone golems look eerily similar. They share the hood, the skull necklace, the loincloth and little pack on their hip, and the bag of bones on the back. It's very curious that they'd look so much the same when there's nothing to suggest they're related, otherwise. --Presea 22:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * They share the same wireframe, not backstory.-- 22:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

All models for the relatively unimportant races that are primarily just mobs seem to always look identical to each other. like how all Treants have necklaces, or furbolgs have rope thongs.--Truckman1 23:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Bone golems use a modified trogg model and Lost Ones use their own unique model, so they had to especially go out of their way to give the Lost One features to bone golems. Why they did is anyone's guess...  WoWWiki-Presea (talk) 23:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Still friendly?
Are there any friendly lost ones in WoW besides the BL quest giver?  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  19:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * With the harborage gone, there is just him and a few in Shatt.-- 23:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The term is "evolve" not "devolve"
Random House Unabridged Dictionary:

de·volve:

–verb (used with object)

1.	to transfer or delegate (a duty, responsibility, etc.) to or upon another; pass on.

2.	Obsolete. to cause to roll downward.

–verb (used without object)

3.	to be transferred or passed on from one to another: The responsibility devolved on me.

4.	Archaic. to roll or flow downward.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.:

De*volve"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Devolved; p. pr. & vb. n. Devolving.] [L. devolvere, devolutum, to roll down; de + volvere to roll down; de + volvere to roll. See Voluble.]

1. To roll onward or downward; to pass on.

Every headlong stream Devolves its winding waters to the main. --Akenside.

Devolved his rounded periods. --Tennyson.

2. To transfer from one person to another; to deliver over; to hand down; -- generally with upon, sometimes with to or into.

They devolved a considerable share of their power upon their favorite. --Burke.

They devolved their whole authority into the hands of the council of sixty. --Addison.

While the usage of the term "devolve" is used in-game and by blizzard, I believe it should be considered flavor lore and not an actual use of the term. "Devolve" does not mean to become more primitive as showcased by the dictionary definitions above. Evolution does not mean to "progress" it means to change and adapt to the environment, which is the case seen here. I ask Baggins not to change the article back to the way it was.

-Warmani7 (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * While I agree on principle, Blizzard uses "devolve" and WoWWiki's convention is to go by what Blizzard uses. See racenames as a for instance. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 23:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I also agree, it makes me flinch to see the term, as it should for anyone familiar with evolutionary theory. It's a shame bureaucracy prevents correcting the article Gamerunknown (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Lost one image
With the launch of the Burning Crusade, the lost ones at The Harborage has been removed and replaced by Broken Exiles. Saving the image for historical purpose, as it would be misleading to put it in the article. 15:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Name?
Not a great question probably, but I was wondering, why are they called "Draenei Lost Ones" instead of "Lost Ones draenei", similiar to how "Broken draenei" are not called "Draenei Broken"? Is it from quests or games? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 04:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The terms sound less cumbersome when placed in this order. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 12:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 13:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Move suggestion
I suggest this could be moved to Lost Ones. However, moving it to Lost Ones is not permission to ignore the fact that depending on the source that Lost Ones can be referred to both draenei and Lost Ones as alternate names (depending on a character/source's point of view). That fact that Lost Ones are referred to as draenei by some characters (see Rise of the Horde, and a few in-game quests for examples) and other sources must still be strongly established in the article. We will continue to note that Lost Ones is a subrace/race of draenei rather than a seperate species.Baggins (talk) 23:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Should this be "Lost One" or "Lost Ones"? Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 05:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I found out a case where they are used lowercase (lost one) . Should it be moved lowercase or should it be kept like it is now? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 05:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Good question. They are a race which would make it lower case, but then I keep hearing on here that it is spelled "Lost Ones". On the other hand, races that are also organizations are upper case but I am not sure if they are just a race, making it lower case, or both, making it upper case. Also, I am confused on the whole "Lost One" versus "Lost Ones" way of spelling it. If I remember, I was told that the race was called "Lost Ones" and not "Lost One". Also, I think I read somewhere on here that there is a tribe of "Lost Ones" called "Lost Ones". Very confusing. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 05:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Lost ones is what you would describe the race as plural, an individual from the race is a lost one. Not unlike "humans" vs. a "human". If you were referring to the tribe, it would be "Lost Ones". As for the lower case vs. upper case issue; that quest seems to be good evidence to switching to lower case, if there aren't any quests or stories that spell it upper case :p... I'd hope its lower case as we have "keepers of the grove" race that's lower case as well.Baggins (talk) 05:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I found out another quest that put it lower case: . It appears that before the release of the Burning Crusade the race was put in lower case and the tribe in upper case, but when Burning Crusade came they put all (race and tribe) in upper case. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Stories like Unbroken seem to use upper case (for race and tribe). But you pretty much never see any exampls of an individual "Lost One" in those sources, only references in plural.Baggins (talk) 05:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought so, but the article was named Lost Ones for a long time and no one changed it. By the way, go to keeper of the grove and you will see it has been turned into Keeper of the Grove so I am confused. Shouldn't it be spelled lower case? Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 05:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I started a sandbox of the tribe, however it isn't refered as a tribe in any source, and for that reason I don't know how to name the article. I was thinking in Lost Ones (organization) but perhaps that isn't a good title. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 06:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess it could be an organization, but I am not sure. It looks similiar to the article Portal Seekers which I think is also an organization and/or tribe of lost ones. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Race
Okay, now that we have this article as a race, shouldn't the article's title be spelled "Lost one" and not "Lost One"? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 01:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've cited correctly the capitalization issue. As The Burning Crusade is more actualized than the classic WoW I think we should stick to it and should be left as "Lost One". Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Races are lower case though. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)