Talk:Kel'Thuzad

war section
Anyone notice how in the "After the War" section, there's a spot with five lines all beginning with Kel'Thuzad? Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it just look really odd. Maybe a bit of rewording could fix that. Pzychotix 03:04, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Kel'Thuzad in Caverns of Time
From leaked screenshots of TBC it appears that players can meet young Kel'Thuzad during first adventure into Caverns of Time. He stands around in Southshore. Any idea what is he doing there? --Potbasher 09:47, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Oh, could really well be. From what I've seen, there are talks about the Ashbringer being made in Tarren Mill by Turalyon, Morgraine and Co... The whole place is just one big "Got leet lore? Put it here!" -instance. I'll try to check on Kel'Thuzad for you, though. It's probably when he was still human (like in Road to Damnation). --Tinkerer 09:53, 25 October 2006 (EDT)


 * He spoke to Hecular about Necromancy in the CoT. I suppose one of his hiding places to practice necromancy would be in the Hillsbrad area. The Yeti cave in Hillsbrad is originally used by Hecular for Necromatic rituals. Kel'Thuzad was probably in the area to avoid Dalarani sentries in order to experiment with banned magics. --Invin Dranoel 13:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Gag Quotes
Are those fanmade, or from WC3?--Ragestorm 16:46, 2 November 2006 (EST)
 * They were the extra unit sounds Kel'Thuzad made in Warcraft III. Although I don't get the "I shall await my eternal reward" reference, so I'm not sure if that's a gag quote or not. 19:34, 14 November 2006 (EST)


 * It's safe to assume that one's real. Liches are almost immortal. --Ragestorm 20:12, 14 November 2006 (EST)


 * I know it's real. I just don't know what it's a reference to, or what the joke is in order to include it with the gags. ::Reads up on pop culture.:: 20:41, 14 November 2006 (EST)


 * No, I mean I think it was one of his actual lines. If you were a necromancer worshipping the king of undeath, doesn't that sound like the sort of thing you'd say?--Ragestorm 20:43, 14 November 2006 (EST)


 * It might've been both a unit sound and a cinematic line. Blizzard sometimes did that. It's a good excuse to play that campaign again. 15:55, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Undead Lich
Ragestorm is right of course. It is redundant. When you discuss a lich, its automatically known its undead, LOL.Baggins 13:04, 8 December 2006 (EST)
 * ::Chuckles.:: Yes, this is true. Looks fine now. 17:21, 8 December 2006 (EST)

Arthas?
Arthas is not, has never been, and never will be a relative of Kel'Thuzad.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 08:58, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Inspiration
Some of you may have heard of this guy, some may not have. I learned in sociology class that in the late 1800's and early 1900's there was a man named Aleister Crowley who delved into magic and the occult, was a member of a "magical" order in England, and then broke away and founded his own mystical cult known as Thelema. He was known for his obsession with the supernatural, his heavy heroin use, and the bizarre rituals he would perform both in public and in seclusion. He also claimed to hear voices which told him that he was to be the prophet of a new magical Eon. Other than the drugs (as far as Metzen has revealed) doesn't this guy sound a bit like Kel'thuzad?--Julzwinfield 6:53 21 August 2007 (EST)


 * No, just the generic cultist.-- 23:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Just wondering if there's any confirmation stating that picture is actually Kel'Thuzad and not a random lich. Naturally when I first saw it I assumed it was him, like I assumed the human was Arthas and the elf was Tyrande, but the orc is just a random orc(doesn't look a thing like Grom or Thrall, and who else is it going to be?), so I was wondering if there is an offical source saying that is Kel'Thuzad?

Fusion With Teranes
It would be a nice plot element to find out that Kel'thuzard and Teranes have actualy fused soles (as well as with Arthas' urine). Since they both share the same urn (A possible gag quote is "I'd never thought I would live to see the day I would be ruled by my own son... And I was right")

Someone please respon to the post ): --The last Alterac 10:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I know it's said -Be polite- but: You, sweetcheeks, are a fudging idiot...Can't you for once stop spamming discussions?!--Maibe 15:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

The Last Alterac, can you please stop posting rubbish spam like this? This is not what talk pages are for, and to quote Ragestorm, THIS IS NOT A FORUM!!!

Good day, Warchiefthrall 21:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Rubish like what? My second post or my first??? I fail to see the second one as it is more of an attention seeking thing but the 1st post was A FUCKING THEORY.--The last Alterac 07:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The talk pages aren't a place for completely out of left field theories. They're for discussing changes to the article.  And, in general, unless it's heavily supported by existing lore (and this definitely isn't), theories are not included in articles. -- Dark T Zeratul 08:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

And as Dark T says, talk pages are not for theories. And, if you don't mind, can you please tone down the cursing? Children read this, you know. Warchiefthrall 16:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I in thought talk pages people were aloud to post theories. Wasn't the urn Kelthuzard uses as a way to contain himself (or something like that.) contain King Teranas the Second's ashes? (And alright I'll turn down my swearing) --The last Alterac 08:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Each article has a Talk page — click on the article's discussion link at the top of the page — for questions, reporting vandalism or discussions on the article. From Here. You aren't discussing the article, you are making random theories up, that isn't what talk pages are for. Nabudis 08:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * He's not even making up theories, if you take it precisely...He's just spamming--Maibe 13:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I am not spamming. I have not made a single refference besides the following sentence ABOUT A RESTRAUNT CHAIN.--The last Alterac 00:18, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

His Return
I know that he would return I just know it. Liches can ressurect themselves right? The psy whatever (urn for short) that contains him is lost. A Scourge member might of got it and has bringed it to Arthas and Kel'Thuzad must be revived TNK 18:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)worldtaker

Do you mean a phylactery? Warden Shadowsong (talk) 18:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Tes phylactery thanks for refreshing my memory TNK 19:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)worldtaker

Necromancer Epic Necromancer or both?
While i was fixing up the campaign map descriptions it dawned on me, what should i list kel'thuzad as in the forces? Necromancer? His name? or Epic Necromancer? While yeah he's a necromancer all of the epic necromancers were at first, shouldnt Kel'thuzad be classified as Epic Necromancer as well? or Arch Necromancer? For now he's listed as Kel'thuzad but im not sure if its alright listed as just that.-- 00:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Voice actor
About the edit of User:SDKPhoenix, he put that Kel'thuzad has a new unknown voice actor. I'm really sure that in World of Warcraft, Warcraft III RoC and TFT was the same. Or his voice actor was changed in Wrath of the Lich King? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 04:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In Reign of Chaos, the Frozen Throne, and World of Warcraft (Naxxramas-60) he was voiced by Michael McConnohie. In Wrath of the Lich King (Naxxramas-80) he is voiced by someone different (even though almost all of his lines are the same). Egrem (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah he got a new voice actor. Listen to him in Warcraft 3 or his original incarnation in WoW, and then go to new Naxx and listen to him. The quotes are the same, but by a different person.


 * He's also a lot more difficult to understand. If it wasn't for the text I wouldn't have a clue what he was saying. Heljak (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This is very strange, why would blizzard change the voice actor and then put the same quotes...they could have recycled the sound. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 03:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Main Saying
Anyone know why he always says "Your curiosity will be the death of you"?


 * That's basically because if you are curious enough to enter in Naxxramas (the old one of course :p ), you'd probably be dead very soon. Loremaster A&#39;noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 23:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It was also one of his first lines in RoC, it's his catchphrase. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 23:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * On top of that, it's also a throwback to one of Blizzard's older games: in Diablo, a mage called Zhar the Mad is studying in the labyrinth beneath the Tristram cathedral, and says this line when you try to take something from his bookshelf.Laith Arkham (talk) 18:55, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Independant
I know but I am not sure why they put it. Maybe it is because he controls the Scourge army in the Plaguelands? "When Arthas was called to Northrend to defend the Frozen Throne, Kel'Thuzad was left to oversee the Lich King's army and the newly formed Plaguelands of the Scourge. KelThuzad is perhaps the second most powerful undead entity in the world." This is what it says under his name, "Medium Undead (Independent)". I compared that with others like Kael, "Medium Humanoid (Blood Elf)", and so it seemed like it meant he was "Independent Undead" at the same time as being part of the "Scourge". Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 06:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

First Paragraph wrong?
In the first paragraph, it says that Kel'Thuzad is now in Dragonblight. But I just walked past him in Borean Tundra. Is he in two places at once? Sean0michael (talk) 15:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Borean Toundra is only a projection it seems. 16:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it's the real Kel'Thuzad: the story progresses with you first arriving in the Borean Tundra and finding out that Kel'Thuzad is back, and then in Dragonblight you see that Naxxramas is now in Northrend, and Kel'Thuzad is in it. It's like the same with Ymiron first being awakened in Howling Fjord, then later on is the last boss in Utgarde Pinnacle. -- 16:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Death in WOTLK
Do Kel'Thuzad die when players kill him in Naxxramas in WOTLK, or do he get ressurected by his phylactery again, like in classic WoW?
 * He doesn't drop his phylactery if that's what you mean, but the undead seem to be notoriously difficult to permanently destroy. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:37, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

"Baby Lich"?
I was looking through the ModelViewer and noticed a model called "Baby Lich" which seems to be a, I guess you could say "Chibi" version of Kel'Thuzard, albeit more detailed. Anything significant? Future pet or something? Mykael Mourningsun (talk) 10:50, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Lich King got desperate. --Super Bhaal (talk) 16:56, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * MMO datamined a pet called "Lil' KT," but no info on where it comes from. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:17, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Staying "Alive"
If you buy the Lil'_K.T. pet, you get a letter from Kel'Thuzad himself, where he mentions both instances (no pun intended, honestly) of Naxxramas. I don't know if letters such as these are canon or not, but if they are, surely that is proof that his defeat in Naxxramas wasn't permanent.  Xavius, the Satyr Lord  17:16, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Warlock
Kel'Thuzad has given his name to the Tier 9 Alliance Warlock-set (Kel'Thuzad's Regalia), which puzzles me. Has he ever been a Warlock?--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 16:56, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not TECHNICALLY, although I suppose summoning the entire upper echelons of the Burning Legion into Azeroth is close enough for the set name. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:58, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

You're right. Summoning a powerful demonic entity as Archimonde sure would take some Warlock-skills, I suppose.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 17:16, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers for 3.3
Can someone tell me why there's a mention of what happens after Arthas dies in an article about Kel'thuzad? If it absolutely has to be there, put it under a spoiler tag or something, cause you just spoiled the ending for me. Bloodfyr (talk) 20:59, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * removed it, don't think KT is even relevant anymore and the phylactery should be destroyed for good. --Hurax (talk) 19:37, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

IPA Transcription
I take issue with the IPA transcription of Kel'Thuzad's name on the page (/'kɛlθʔzɑːd/). From listening to him say his own name in WCIII, it sounds more like [ˌkɛlθʊˈzɑːd] or [ˌkɛlθəˈzɑːd]. I don't hear any glottal stop, and there definitely needs to be another vowel. Primary stress definitely sounds like it's on the final syllable, with secondary stress on the first. I don't know how to pull out the sound file and look at it in Praat, though, so I can't say for sure I've got it right, but it sure isn't as it stands. Also, I don't know if the /ɑ/ is long phonemically, not knowing much about the in-game language his name comes from.Xtiandeth (talk) 00:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)