Talk:Malfurion Stormrage

Old Discussion
http://pacifistguild.org/media/index.cgi?id=586

Don't know how to integrate this, but it seems Ol' Furion is doing well.

Yeah, lots of nice stuff there...


 * I transcribed the conversation in the screenshot to the article under "Conversation with Remulos".
 * --Fandyllic

Vive el Shan'do Stormrage!

any chance of him ever coming out of the dream?-- Whitewolf14304

A fairly slim one- perhaps if the Nightmare ends and the Dream is secure again- possibly the next expansion. --Ragestorm 06:22, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

Where exactly is Furion????I Have Searched Everywhere from Moonglade to Stonetalon Peak!!!We have a Picture of him But where exactly IS HE!!!!!!Maybe He will appear in the Expansion Pack

"Vive El Shan'do Stormrage!"


 * Good Gods, does nobody read anything anymore. As you could tell from the manual, or this article, or this talk page, Furion is trapped inside the Emerald Dream!--Ragestorm 07:01, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Why is FURION later called MALFURION? Where is the MAL from? I've always been wondering! -- Wyvernoid


 * Wasn't he ALWAYS called malfurion? Furion is just a shortened version of it. Please. Read the page. it's RIGHT THERE. SECTION: Summary. WHERE: End of it. Pzychotix 04:53, 7 August 2006 (EDT)


 * In Reign of Chaos and the Night Elf history it was always "Furion." However, this was a nickname used among friends and family- like "Jonathan" becomes "Jon" or "Richard" becomes "Rich." the character was concieved with the name "Malfurion,'' and that name has been used in most cases since. You'll notice that he was only referred to as "Furion" by Tyrande and Illidan, his beloved and his brother. --Ragestorm 07:57, 7 August 2006 (EDT)
 * Thanks to all you guys! Sorry for my silliness ^_^ --Wyvernoid 01:45, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Ah, but in War of the Ancients his nickname is Mal. And that doesn't make a lot of sense. Probably just Knaak not checking his facts correctly. User:Xavius, with a sig that won't work correctly, 4 February 2008


 * OMG. --Sul&#39;jin 13:54, 6 January 2007 (EST)


 * Perhaps it should be questioned as to what Malfurion is referring to when he claims an ancient evil has taken the Emerald Dream. I am sure there are multiple speculations but I would only merit those dealing with enemies found in the War of the Ancients.  That is, Old Gods, demons, and Deathwing.  In the War of the Ancients trilogy, the Old Gods are referred to as an ancient evil by Krasus.  They are imprisoned on their own plane by description in the RPG books, and yet they influence Azeroth, which we can see by C'thun's prescense.  If they can influence Azeroth, surely they can influence the Emerald Dream.  For the demons, there is some talk about Archimonde being inside of the Emerald Dream.  That he managed to safeguard his soul into the dream when his body was destroyed at Hyjal.  And finally, Deathwing.  No one really knows his whereabouts right now except that he is believed to have been captured by Alexstrasza and is held by her somewhere, possibly Grim Batol.  In the War of the Ancients trilogy Deathwing was able to enter the dream when he caught Malfurion snooping around with the Demon Soul.
 * So, these are three posibilities of what may be taking over the Emerald Dream, each one probably no less correct than the other.
 * Thoughts? -- --Lilythmageborn

My personal opinion is that its Xavius acting through the will of the old gods, its a very long and complex theory so i wont say it here unless someone cares :) -Baclan


 * Well, I think the most suiting idea is that Sargeras bonded together with the old gods again, just like he did in the first invasion to Azeroth. If that so, literally, Azeroth is in danger, thus we can conclude, that we are screwed if its like that, cuz in WoW it takes 40 people to kill one Old God... and i think it's his avatar and not C'thun himself... and don't forget, there are more forgotten ones (i assume, because we saw already two: one in AQ and one in Azjol'Nerub where Arthas killed one). So yes, I think the evil Malfurion's talkign about are The Old Gods combined with Sargeras' evil... The next expansion pack of WoW will tell us...
 * oh, why can't those be the Titans that went mad? one already did and it was long ago... why can't they be the titans?
 * --Creator

Q: As we see in Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, Tyrande is awakening Malfurion with the Horn of Cenarius to aid them with fighting the Scourge. but my question is that: WHEN DID HE GO TO SLEEP?! I know that after his awakening it is told that he and the rest of the Druids went to sleep inorder to keep the gift of the Aspects working - The eternal life gift to the Night Elves. But neither here in the article nor in the end of Warcraft: War of the Ancients: The Sundering it is told that he ever went to sleep. even here, in the article it is being told that he was awake after the fomation of Nordrassil. so when did he go to sleep? i've read the article few times over and over and played the levels in the game a few times but nothing is answering the question or makes a conflict between the facts... aid? thanks. -Creator

Nevermind, found the answer... they did sleep to maintain the gift...

Emm Sargeras never bonded together with the old gods..they used him as a way to enter Azeroth. (Keilden 07:41, 2 May 2007 (EDT))

Images
Does anyone have a better image of him? I don't like the idea of such an important character relegated to a WC3 shot.--Ragestorm 21:38, 27 November 2006 (EST)

Where exactly is that pic from? http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Malfurion.jpg? It seems... well, Pathetic. It's horrible to misrepresent such an important character simply because that's as close as modelviewer will let you get.


 * How about a screenshot of Malfurion from Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos last cinematic? --Sul&#39;jin 19:51, 5 January 2007 (EST)


 * That would be great- though I don't recall him looking particularly noble. As for that model viewer, isn't Furion's hair supposed to be blue?-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:48, 5 January 2007 (EST)


 * I'll see what can be done about that. Meanwhile I would suggest removing that image. And about his hair - his Apparition seems to have them green, but he had them blue in W3 and TFT. --Sul&#39;jin 13:53, 6 January 2007 (EST)


 * Malfurion Stormrages hair is a mossy green color, as indicated by the War of the Ancients tril. Illidans however is blue.

Sign your posts, please. Odd, that must have been retconned. Regardless, that WoW modelviewer image cannot be him- no fashion agency, strip mall, or magazine in the northern hemisphere would call that color "mossy green." -- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:50, 5 February 2007 (EST)

I want to point out that the image below Malfurion and Tyrande, the cover of the Well of Eternity, is not Malfurion, it is Lord Xavius. In addition to being a tad uglier than Mal is usually shown as, the hair is not green, and it shows the eyes to fit the description given in the book-black with ruby streaks running through them. Though personally, they look more pink than ruby, but it's obviously Xavius. --Austin P 11:59, 1 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Well, Furion's features are usually described as "lupine", and his cancelled appearance in a Reign of Chaos cinematic is incredibly ugly. Also, there is no logical reason Xavius would be on the cover, given that Tyrande and Illidan hold those position on the other two books. Finally, the hair and skin tone are changed because of the overall lighting of the image. So, while a question mark can be raised as to an accurate portrayal of Furion, it isn't obviously Xavius. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 09:19, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Valid points, but how would you explain the eyes? --Austin P 08:58, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Bad lighting combined with the fact that night elves don't have visible pupils. Best I've got, at any rate. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 10:54, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Hmm. Come to think of it, it's not just that Tyrande and Illidan are on the other covers, but who's on the cover with them. Tyrande had a special fondness for Brox, and Illidan had a special respect for Rhonin. Malfurion, of course, formed a bond with Krasus, who I presume is the person on the cover of the first novel. So all things considered, it probably IS Malfurion. Perhaps they ether got confused as to who they were drawing, or they just picked a bad color to use on his eyes. --Austin P 16:22, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Location?
If Malfurion is still in the emerald dream, where is his body? And how does his body survive without food or water? --Ramming pure 06:17, 29 January 2007 (EST)


 * His body is missing, the theory being that he has become trapped in the Dream, including his physical self. When a druid enters the Dream, they go into a sort of hibernation state where the need for food, drink etc is reduced to almost zero. Still, if they stay in the Dream for too long, their physical body will eventually wither and die. -- 07:38, 29 January 2007 (EST)
 * You can see this in War of the Ancients: The Well of Eternity, where Malfurion is entering the Emerald dream and isn't commiong back for a long time... --Creator 12:06, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Hmm. In the Horde Player's guide, Brann mentions him being in a coma. Error? Austin P 07:51, 1 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Physically, he's in a coma. his mind is in the Dream. Think of it as Brann not understanding the full details. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 08:25, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

But if his body is missing, how can anyone say he's in a coma? Austin P 07:15, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Lore-wise, his body is in the Stormrage Barrow Dens in Moonglade. Tyrande periodically goes and tends to him.  He's simply not there in-game is all. - Dark T Zeratul 08:04, 2 May 2007 (EDT)


 * There was also just one barrow den in Moonglade, with the only occupent being him in WCIII.-- 20:59, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

"Think of it as Brann not understanding the full details"

Actually he discusses the fact that Malfurion is lost in Nightmare of the Emerald Dream (at least in the Alliance Player's Guide, and even Lands of Mystery, IIRC), so he certaionly knows all the details, and he even makes use of "coma" in those sources too. The body is in a coma, this is not a contradiction. In anycase on a related note, psychologists really don't know the full extent of mental activity in a coma patient. That is they don't know if someone in a coma blank, with no awareness or thoughts...or if they are aware and still thinking.Baggins 14:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * My bet is that Malfurion and the Emerald Nightmare will be the subject of the next expansion after WoTLK. Which would be so great, because Furion is my absolute favorite character in the entire Warcraft tale, and in my opinion, if not THE most, one of the most important beings in history.

Marriage
I don't know but when did tyrande marry Malfurion? Lichkingofthescourge 00:42, 10 March 2007 (EST)


 * Sign your posts, please. At some point around the growth of the World Tree. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 08:16, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * Night elves don't usually marry. Are you sure they're married? I was under the impression they weren't. Night elves form life long bonds, but marriage isn't a kaldorei tradition. --Oponyxal (talk) 10:58, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, they might as well have been married already, as far as anyone was concerned. But Knaak felt the need to throw them a fancy wedding in Stormrage anyway.  Don't ask. [[Image:IconSmall Draenei Female.gif]] Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 23:34, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Level ???
Is it actually possible that this guy is leveled in the hundreds? Can level 70s not even see his level? Spinosauria 14:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * All I can say is, he'd bloody well better have a 100+ level (fluctuates depending on proximity to Tyrande and trees). -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 20:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say that he has a pretty normal level (probably "Level 63" because that's the level pre-TBC raid bosses and faction leaders had) but the boss-flag causes the server to hide the actual level from the players. For example Illidan, who is currently the strongest in-game boss, has an actual level of 73, but is displayed as "Level ??" to Level 70 players because of his boss flag. Also note that the level only has an effect on hit/crit/miss rates and doesn't have anything to do with HP, DPS or abilities, although Blizzard usually designs higher level NPCs to have higher stats. Privatekey 21:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * All bosses, Illidan, Kael'Thas, C'Thun, Bloodlord Mandokir, and all faction leaders included, have a dynamic level based on the level of the player fighting them, as regards crushing blows and resists/dodges/parries. They are treated as 3 levels higher than the player attacking them, so Onyxia (or whoever) hits a 60 tank like she's 63, but hits a 68 tank as if she's 71. The ?? and skull are because of this dynamic level system. Granted, if you wander into the grove in Duskwood at level 20 and run into whichever dragon boss is there, you'll still get one-shotted, because the level isn't used to calculate straight damage, but crushing blows, hits, and crits, and how well the boss avoids being hit/crit by a player's abilities and attacks. Hence why you can have a 70 tanking Mandokir, who is a 73 to him, but a 60 warlock can still land dots on him, because to the lock, he's only 63. It's also why you have to have better spell hit and spell penetration (or attack power and hit/crit rating for melee) if you're raiding. Sarial 04:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Malfurion picture under Lore heading
Hello people, is it me or is this picture Image:Malfurion.jpg not Malfurion. There are several details incorrect:
 * The hair color: "His shoulder-length, dark green hair..."
 * The eye color: "He blinked his silver, pupil-less eyes twice..."
 * The skin color: "Sweat poured down Malfurion's violet countenance."

If I look at the picture the eyes are voilet, the hair is golden/brown and the skin looks pale. All in all I think Xavius might be a better candidate for the picture.

I didn't remove the picture from the article and will leave that up to the bookkeepers.

11:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Artists often don't check every single detail with exact particular details contained in written works. I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's not like every image of Malfurion contains the same exact details. In fact images are very inconsistent on characters. They don't come together and agree upon an exact structure. Plus, given the type of shot, with the sun affecting the color and making it hard to determine the exact colors, it's a bit hard to say what color the picture employs. To me, the hair is green, and the skin is purple. Only the eye can be said for sure to be purple. —Pzychotix (talk &middot; contr) 11:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The entire image has a purple/pink tinge to it. Also, Tyrande and Illidan are on the other covers- last I checked, the Night elf "Big Three" are Furion, Tyrande, and Illidan. I SWEAR we've been through this exact conversation before. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 12:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It is true that Tyrande and Illidan are on the covers of the other books and that's what striked me as odd, both Tyrande and Illidan are displayed correctly. At first I though it was Krasus but he's displayed on the cover of WoE as well. After having a good look it might be Malfurion but the with the sun coming in from the left a lot of details (and colours) are drowned. 13:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh and found the other dicussion about it...didn't read hard enough 14:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, Pzychotix. For example, in the cover of the Finnich "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" Cedric Diggory has blond hair, not dark, as the fact is mentioned in the book. Also, Malfoys are depicted dark-haired instead of blond in the cover of "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets". There is also a lot of more mistakes in the covers... the illustator, Mika Launis, has not been exact with these ones.
 * The light in the cover of the "Well of Eternity" makes Furion's outlooks look a little odd, and the purple eyes may be the freedom of the artist :). --Nuti (talk) 09:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Keeper of the Grove
I thought the Keeper of a grove is a race, so how is Furion a Night Elf, be one? Mr.X8 01:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's also a character class- takes the place of archdruid in RoC. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

...and arguably one of the most powerful beings in history.
From what I've seen, Malfurion's strength seems to come from his wisdom, not his power in combat. He is definitely no match for say Archimonde at the end of WC3:ROC, at least in a one on one duel. I think we should get rid of the sentence, any thoughts? -- Raze 01:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * He did extremely well in battle with Archimonde in the War of the Ancients. 01:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sentence needs elaborating I suppose. Maybe when I get around to finishing the books. -- Raze 04:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, Furion defeated Archimonde with a root-like spell in War of the Ancients, although Archimonde had been fighting Malorne for a time so he was probably weakened. My best guess is that he is relatively close to Archimonde in power (probably slightly below.) Lckyluke372


 * I would say at his regular emotional state, he is relatively close to Archimonde in power. HOWEVER, in the War of the Ancients, it is well detailed that Malfurion's power is many times multiplied by his emotions. When Tyrande was taken by Satyrs from Furion's grip, Malfurion involuntarily created an extremely powerful storm, from his wild emotions. If focused on a target such as Archimonde, he wouldn't even stand a chance. At Furion's peak of power, I'd say he is without a doubt one of the strongest beings in existence. --Kenada 9:45, 07 October 2007 (EST)


 * Yeah, he might give Velen as the single most powerful good humanoid ever (excluding Medivh, who could pimp slap both of them together.) Lckyluke372 11:35, 14 October 2007 (CST)

According to S&L, Malorne is a lot more powerful than Cenarius, and based on the fact the Cenarion is Furion's teacher, is an Ancient, and is way more powerful than Furion in WC3, I'd say Malorne is way above Furion's power level. And, since Malorne was a close match for Archimonde, it seems that Malfurion wouldn't stand a chance against Archimonde. Jclipps 20:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Gameplay Mechanics aren't canon, and furthermore, Malfurion fought Archimonde in the War of the Ancients and Archimonde barely escaped with his life. Also, people become far. far better than their teachers quite frequently, do you think any of Bruce Lee' teachers would want to fight him? Lckyluke372 (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to revise my previous statement after rereading War of the Ancients it has become abundantly clear to me that Malfurion's power is near limitless, with perhaps only Sargeras surpassing him on the demon's side. Furion can channel all of the power that the world has to offer, and as a relatively inexperienced druid was able to kill Xavius despite the fact that he was being fed power directly from Sargeras. Lckyluke372 (talk) 02:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

War of the Ancients is a poorly written book from an author who things Dragon Ball Z has a good story. Knaak wouldn't know a balanced character if one slapped him in the face, he works under the "more powerful the better" side of things, atleast where that trilogy is concerned. If Malfurion was nearly as powerful as you seem to think, the third war would have ended when he woke up. On another note, Malfurioin never fought Achimonde. He cast entangling roots on him, and Achimonde retreated, for any number of reasons. "Barely escaped with his life" is quite the overstatement. I'd also like to point out that Malfurion was very nearly done in by a pack of felhounds at another point in the books, so consistency isn't exactly one of the novel's storng points.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 17:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not you like Knaak's writing didn't count doesn't make it canon, Chris Metzen does, and if Metzen says that WotA is canon that means he made it canon that Furion was that powerful, not Knaak. In the book, Malfurion rooted Archimonde, Archimonde was being crushed to death, but managed to survive by fleeing the battle. Even if that hadn't happened, Malfurion still healed Korialastrasz from hundreds of miles while he was on the brink of death, something which Krasus called impossible. The Third War wouldn't have been over when Furion woke up, because unlike his brother, Furion realizes that there are no "quick fix" spells, and any spell powerful enough to wipe out all of the Legion in one blow would be nigh impossible to control (remember how Illidan almost unintentionally tore the world apart trying to get the Lich King?). Also in WOA, Furion nearly destroyed "everyone and everything" by creating a massive thunderstorm, clearly demonstrating his massive power. Lckyluke372 (talk) 00:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Its true, my disliking of Knaak doesn't change the fact that its canon. But my point is that it should be taken with a grain of salt, regardless. If Knaak wrote a book with Thrall as the main character, he'd have Thrall about as powerful as he had Malfurion in wota. If he wrote a book about Velen, it would be the same story. So forth, and so on.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 01:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thats unfair, Rhonin wasn't that powerful at all, in his first book, the only really massively powerful one in Day of the Dragon was Deathwing, and we already knew that about him. Lckyluke372 (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll grant you that Day of the Dragon wasn't that bad. However, WotA definately was. From Rhonin, Ilidan, and Krasus decimating whole armies of demons with a few random spells, Krasus going toe to toe with Deathwing dispite being young and in a weakened state, Malfurion resisting the old god's corruption (nothing to do with magic power, just making that character so pure and uncorruptable that even the old gods can't tempt him). Don't get me wrong, WotA was an enjoyable read, but the books weren't good by any extent of the imagination, and Knaak over/under powering characters for situational use/needs can't be denied.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 02:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Krasus got crushed by Deathwing, the only things on his side were the element of surprise, and the fact that he had a lot of rage on his side and he still almost died, if you look at all the events that happen from start to finish, they probably took 30 seconds. Illidan, Krasus, and Rhonin didn't destroy whole armies, they destroyed mostly one demon at a time, Rhonin had grown accustomed to casting without the well to draw on, so of course he was far more dangerous than normal, he had already become fairly powerful to begin with. Krasus didn't really do that much comparatively, and Illidan only did so by drawing on the powers of all the Moon Guard. Furthermore, the damage they inflicted was increased by the fact that the demons tactics were incredibly crude until Archimonde showed up, and even then, Archimonde couldn't make his troops any smarter, he could only give them smart orders and hope they were able to take enough initiative to do it well. The Old Gods did tempt Furion, he just managed to overcome it. In the Return of the King, Sam wasn't even at at all tempted by the Ring, but its considered one of the best books ever. Lckyluke372 (talk) 03:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

This is getting closer to a discussion better suited for a forum. If you happen to post on the wow officall forums, feel free to start a topic there and I'll be happy to continue this debate with you. However, my original point was that Malfurion was as powerful as he was in the war of the ancients because Knaak wrote the trilogy. If another writer wrote the books, they may have toned it down a bit. Future writers who include Malfurion in their work may tone it down a bit. The RPG definately tones it down quite a bit. Thats all I'm saying.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 03:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course he does the same thing with his villains too. Sargeras is supposed to be so powerful, that if he arrived on the planet, there would be no hope, however if all of the rest of the Legion arrived on the planet there would be hope. So why does Sargeras need the Legion? Furthermore, it says it took many titans to chain the Old Gods up, and that Sargeras and his legion were nothing compared to them. So the Old Gods are individually more powerful and more evil than Sargeras? Who himself is so powerful that he can destroy the entire planet and its defenders by himself? And yet none of these people are powerful enough to make it onto the planet by themselves? Lckyluke372 (talk) 17:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not an expert but I think I might be able to answer some of your questions. First off, there would be a very slim hope that the world could survive since the demons were killable. They were not invulnerable to the Azerothian swords, arrows, and spells. There was only a slight chance of survival because there was just so, so many demons, billions more than the population of Azeroth. The chance is only there because they were killable. Also, they couldn't all come out the portal at the same time, otherwise the resistance would've probably been overrun very quickly. If Sargeras arrived there wouldn't be any hope because really, who would be able to even scratch the Dark Titan? Maybe if there was weapons like Broxigar's in the hands of each Azerothian they would be able to irritate him a little by scratching the demon lord a little bit before he killed them and being able to heal his "insect bites". That is why I think there would be no hope for the world when he arrived. Also, considering his unimaginable power there would be no resistance strong enough to stop him. Second, I'm not sure why he would need the Legion, maybe to clear the way quicker? Could've just been a lazy titan, something to look more into possibly. Thirdly, the opinion that Sargeras and his Legion were nothing compared to the Old Gods was just that, an opinion, and funny enough it came from the Old Gods themselves. Individually I doubt any of them are powerful enough to defeat Sargeras. They are, though, extremely powerful beings who would most likely find little to no resistance from the mortals of Azeroth. On an evil level though, it's hard to say because there are points made about Sargeras just being corrupted and not evil, and same with the OGs. Finally, the OGs were weakened, imprisoned with a variety of very strong magic, and also imprisoned somewhere very deep in the earth and guarded by being personally assinged by the titans. As for Sargeras, I bet there is a reason he couldn't just pop into the world on his own but I can't think of one right now. Maybe it's just the distance or there had to be something very strong and stable to allow such a titan to pass through the galaxies and planes so quickly. It was the same deal with Archimonde and Kil'jaeden. Jclipps (talk) 04:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It's funny, I've never come across any evidence to suggest the Titans were stronger than the Old Gods individually, I have seen evidence to suggest the Old Gods were more powerful than the Titans individually. But people will insist until they are blue in the face that the Titans were more powerful. Lckyluke372 (talk) 04:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you give a link or something for the evidence? I want to find out the truth myself. Jclipps (talk) 17:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, this certainly seems like the place to discuss. I would agree with the luckyluke#'s guy, that a single old god is slightly more powerful than a titan. If you have read about C'thun, you will remember that he fought one-on-one with a titan, and that the titan fell. We know that C'thun survived, whether he was split into pieces or whatever, and that now he is in Ahn'Qiraj. At least his main part. Sargeras was the Pantheons' greatest warrior, as attested by "The Origin of the Burning Legion" in the WarCraft III manual. So he is most likely about as powerful as an old god. But remember that he single-handedly, and easily, defeated and imprisoned countless demons before he was corrupted and freed them. That means that his own legion of innumerable demons would be nothing more than a scrawny rat against him. But since he is as powerful as an old god, and there were three waiting to pounce(five minus C'thun and the one skewered by the masters' glaive in darkshore), then yeah, him and his band of fiery evil would have stood no chance against them. But why would Sargeras need a whole Burning Legion at his command anyway? Well I guess he just felt like it. Don't you think that eradicating all life and seizing all power in the universe would seem a little overwhelming to any one person? I'd probably just put it off 'til tomorrow, and the tomorrow after that...But getting back to the original discussion, is Malfurion one of the most powerful beings in history? I would definitely say yes. He is currently at least as powerful as Cenarius, and certainly more so when his emotions go wild. But his power is not unlimited. Not even close. In his quick skirmish against Archimonde, who was weaker than normal(from his fight against Malorne, a demigod nearly as powerful as him) Malfurion was able to drive him back by overwhelming him, however temporarily, with colossal roots (which did not almost crush him to death). Archimonde simply decided it was better to retreat instead of risking his life killing an angry druid he was unsure of, and possibly being attacked by any oncoming demigods or aspects. He favored commanding the demons anyway, and rarely ever fought directly against an army. I think that if Archimonde had been doing something like torturing Tyrande, and Malfurion arrived upon the scene, that he would splatter Archimonde all over the wall. Some really big wall. But Mal is definitely one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth. I do not think that it is just because Knaak wrote the book. I actually found his writing very enjoyable, even if he did use the word "monumental" a lot. Excessively. Well, Did I miss anything? Feel free to ask for a share of my vast knowledge. --Mesethusela (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, could you tell me where to find this evidence that the Old Gods were stronger than the Titans? Also, when you say "Titans" are you refering to each and everyone, the Pantheon, or just the regular titans? You also make it seem like Sargeras is the strongest of the Pantheon. It says he was the strongest warrior and champion, but that doesn't aautomatically make him the strongest of all the Titans. Aman'thul I would think and have seen is stronger than him, even though he is not a warrior. Jclipps (talk) 03:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

When I say "titans" I am referencing them in general, though not definably. You are right, just because because he was their strongest warrior doesn't mean he was the absolute most powerful one. The Pantheon rules, or at least leads the titan society because they are the wisest, or something like that. We do not have proof, or even mention(as far as I know), that the Pantheon was composed of overall more powerful titans, just that they are the leaders. Sargeras is Aman'thul's brother, so they are probably very close in power, the Highfather most likely more powerful. Sargeras I think was the second most powerful titan. I favor this idea, I have no proof. But it makes sense. He was chosen to do the mission of taking out the demons, because Aman'thul had to stay with the rest of the titans and be "Highfather". And the evidence? I am glad you wrote "evidence", because that is what it is, it isn't proof. But if you know much about C'thun you will remember that he fought a titan. The titan was killed, but C'thun survived, no matter what kind of shape he came out of battle in. It might have been that the particular titan he fought was just weaker than most, or maybe C'thun was one of the strongest old gods. But the bottom line is, in the only one-on-one titan vs. old god battle ever known in history, the old god was the victor. So I think it is safe to assume, at least for now, that an old god is more powerful than a titan. And since Sargeras was the greatest warrior of the titans, I would think he is about equal in power with an old god. But still, there are no certainties. Just because a being is classified in a race does not mean he has a set power level. Just power-level "guidelines". Look at humans. Some of us can kick the trash out of police-men, like Rambo, and some of us are sissy wimps, like my cousin. -I have removed the text that was once here, having realized it was a stupid thing for me to say. I guess I just got worked up.- Mesethusela (talk) 09:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we have now con beyond the entire point, so I'm serving this discussion with a non-editorial warning. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we archive it elsewhere so it doesn't taint the rest of the page and no one is tempted to restart it. 13:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry! I shan't write more. --Mesethusela (talk) 21:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Wrath of the Lich King
If it hadn't been for Malfurion, the Lich King and the Scourge would had been ultimately destroyed. Him stopping Illidan's spell was in my eyes a grave mistake. How come the citizens of Azeorth aren't carrying a deep hatred for what he did that day? Maybe he will appear in the expansion in an attempt to redeem his wrongdoings? Though he sure didn't seem to have much guilt about it in Warcraft III: Frozen Throne. --Odolwa 23:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm... how about because most of Azeroth doesn't know exactly what happened? or how about the fact that the spell was tearing at the roof of the world, which would have wrought immense damage to the planet's entire ecosystem? What wrongdoings? -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 00:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

And an unstoppable army of undead washing over the planet is going to have such a positive effect on the ecosystem. Just kidding. Anyway, Its very possible people are aware that Illidan almost destroyed the lich king and Malfurion stopped that, since most of the world isn't druids and shaman and therefore don't have the same empathy for the natural world, they'd be less likely to see Malfurion as being in the right for any reason other than its Malfurion vs Illidan, so Malfurion must be in the right.

Its also possible Illidan's spell would have got the job done before the damage to the enviorment was permenent, but its a moot arguement. Its been a while since I've played that campaign but I remember it as Malfurion jumping the gun because he was upset about Tyrande "dying", and jumped to the conclusion that Illidan was destroying Northrend for the hell of it. He may not have had any wrong doings, but he definatly made some misjudgements, letting Illidan go as many times as he did. It would be interesting if we find out whether or not Malfurion ever things "What if" in regards to the situation.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Personality Clash?
Is it worth noting that Illidan and Malfurion have opposite personalties? "Stalwart," "wise" and "righteous" for Furion while Illidan's is more like "Unpredictable", "Arrogant", and "Power Hungry"

Not only that but Furion is more innocent and mature, while Illidan is corrupt and, to a point, childish, as seen with how each of the brother's treated Tyrande. Just saying Rannulf 05:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's necessarily needed in the article; most people can figure it out for themselves. Besides, it's obviously explained by why one's trying to rule Outland and the other's not. El le th wen 19:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Spouse? But I thought...
I'm rather confused-- spouse of Tyrande? I was under the impression that the concept of a ceremony of marriage was never referred to, let alone used, in Kal'dorei culture. Can someone correct me on this if I'm wrong. I've always considered relationships between Night Elves to be more of a 'lovers' sort of thing. --Imizael 06:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Technically, marriage has never been referred to with respect to gnomes, dwarves, trolls, draenei, or tauren either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. -- Dark T Zeratul 10:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Warthok changed it to "mate" a term that is used in kaldorei culture. Personally, I'm not sure that "lover" works for a couple that's been together for ten thousand years. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 18:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think the term mate is one that Night Elves use (may be wrong in that respect). Tyrande and Furion always seemed to refer to each other as "my love" (or something to that effect), so I think lovers is a better term. Still, that's just me. Warchiefthrall 20:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "Mate" is used several times in The Well of Eternity and The Demon Soul. Admittedly, that's pre-Sundering culture, but something as mundane as that wouldn't be changed. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, well I haven't read "The Demon Soul" as of yet, so I wouldn't know. I just don't think the term "mate" is suitable for a relationship that Tyrande and Furion have. Still, it's probably more official than anything else. Warchiefthrall 18:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...I agree. --Mesethusela (talk) 01:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

War of the Shifting Sands
Curious, does anyone know where he was during the conflict? I remember in WC3 he mentions that he'd been sleeping for 1000 years at the time Tyrande woke him up wich would put the last time he was awake around the time of the war(though it could have been 50 years before or after or more, I generally take time measurements like that to be rounded off). Does Staghelm just trap Furion in the dream every thousand years or so so he gets a chance to shine?Tweak the Whacked 19:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Assuming Staghelm did it, it would be the first time. Or Malfurion would have confronted him ages ago. The same thing popped into my head last time i played WC3. I just assume the numbers are a little off (rounded), and he was asleep during the war having just gone back to the dream. 19:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

In Hyjal summit
I think Malfurion should have appeared in the Hyjal Summit instance: afterall, it was him who summoned the whisps to kill Archimonde, so I think the entire instance should work in another way: you kill the first four bosses, then it's the time of Archimonde...you battle archimonde, take him down to about 40%, then he stuns you all and begins to attack the world tree...but Malfurion Stormrage comes, sounds the horn of cenarius and hundreds of whisps attack archimonde and kill him.

Heard somewhere that the point of hyjal summit is that the infinate dragonflight is preventing furion from summoning the wisp, thus giving the legion more time to reach the tree.Tweak the Whacked 04:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Blizzard should have made this a little bit more clear:P--Gorund 11:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Name
I've been confused at Malfurion's name. In Reign of Chaos, his name was "Furion". Whereas in The Frozen Throne, WoW, and the War of the Ancients trilogy, he's referred to as "Malfurion". I suppose "Furion" could be a shortage for his name, because I believe I remember Tyrande calling him "Furion" once in one of the War of the Ancients books. It's really been peeving me recently, so I was hoping there could be some clarification at the name change. If it could be considered one. -- Archmage Rodyn


 * I think Furion is merely a nickname between his friends and family, such as Illidan and Tyrande. Also, it's already been answered at the top of the talk page :P Warchiefthrall (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, I found something fun from his name: mal = a negative prefix, and furion has similarity with word "fury". So, the name tells that Malfurion is "malfury", so he is not violent or aggressive :P He he, I had fun again. --Nuti (talk) 10:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Beneath the totally and utterly calm exterior likes a force with the might of a thousand hurricanes.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Very true. Nice stab at an awe-inspiring statement, Ragestorm. Although you misspelled "lies"... --Mesethusela (talk) 02:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Is a misspelling that makes another proper word a misspelling, or a hint at a deeper truth? Or is it a case of fast typing on a comparatively small keyboard?-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Those are the questions. Let's try to block the stab... Well, we can think also that Malfurion means "mal", "fury" and "on", "malfury on" so he has not not the aggressive aspect on. Ha ha. --Nuti (talk) 05:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Antlers
Why does Malfurion have antlers? Does being a Keeper of the Grove just make you "grow" them? Swiftgryphon (talk)


 * According the article of Broll Bearmantle, some night elves may birth with antlers. It's extremely rare gift, and it means that the elf with antlers "will do great deeds" and "manifest greatness". At least on cover of The War of the Ancients - Archive, the young Furion has tiny antlers, and in that time he was just studying druidism.
 * According what I know, Furion, Broll, and Fandral Staghelm are only night elves that are confirmed to have REAL antlers, and every of them are gifted druids. Or does someone know any other really antlered night elves? Illidan has horns, not antlers. --Nuti (talk) 10:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Since when does Staghelm have antlers? He doesn't have antlers in-game, nor on any of the art-pictures. --WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 17:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * ...oops. I always looked at the name and forgot to see the real picture! ^^' Sorry! I and my crazy brains and memory apologize! --Nuti (talk) 17:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Going a bit off topic here, shouldn't all druids, at least night elf males, have antlers when they become powerful? Broll was said to have been born with them, marking him as a powerful druid, but Malfurion grew them once he started learning druidism. Does this mean Night Elves have evolved to the point where they're so attuned to nature like how blood elves are to fel magic that greens eyes are genetic, that they're born with signs of nature? Or is a small mistake on Blizz's part? So is a birthright or attained after a certain point to have antlers? Mykael Mourningsun (talk) 07:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe antlers show that a being has a great affinity for druidic magic, and by the way, Malfurion was the first mortal Druid, so I think he grew the antlers because the teachings of Cenarius affected him, and that it affects other Night Elves similliar, you know, Broll wasn't born with those antlers that big. --Meltheon (talk) 16:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Categories
This entry has many red links as categories. I am not sure if that is for future categories or if something was changed and made them red links? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 04:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As all of those red-link categories contained only Malfurion, and all of them were apparently generated by the Appearances template, I commented it out for the time being. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Appearances is Ragestorm's project I believe.Baggins (talk) 07:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Eventual Appearance
I sure hope that when Malfurion does finally become properly featured in the game, that they change the model. Either they should create a apecial one for him (like Sylvanas, Varian, Alexstrasza etc.) or give him some different gear. The Stormrage set is pretty cool, but doesn't suit him. In my opinion it should be called 'The Bearmantle Raiment,' Furion is not a feral druid. I've seen it around too many times on normal players, he wouldn't stand out. Also, when has he ever worn a chest piece before? As a nature man, he's almost always seen shirtless, with a big cloak and 'druidish' leg coverings. I think he should have something like the Nordrassil shoulders and kilt, with the Stormrage antlers, or the green shoulders and kilt from the heroic tier 8 armour. Like a better version of Staghelm's outfit. Finally, he has a big beard in WC3 like that of a dwarf, which would definitely require a special model.Tazmantdr (talk) 17:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure he'll get a special model like Varian. Alexstrasza's model is very much like Sylvanas', so it not too special. Then again, Varian just has the human model with special skin... so he may get a special model like Kil'jaeden. But hopefully not all clay looking. Annywho... I always wondered since he had dark blue hair in WC3, but it was later changed to dark green, was that implying he was a Druid of the Talon? It would make sense since Druids of the Talon were Balance since they used spells, and Malfurion has only used spells, both offensive and healing, just a little unsure since Malfurion hasn't ever shapeshifted. Which is another oddity, if Furion never changed into an animal, then would that mean whoever did first is almost as powerful as him for discovering a new ability? Sorry to derail there, just curious. --Mykael Mourningsun

The Truth Behind the Nightmare?
As shown on Malfurion's page, he says: 
 * Keeper Remulos says: Malfurion!
 * Malfurion Stormrage says: Remulos, old friend. It is good to see you once more. I knew the message would find its way to you – one way or another.
 * Keeper Remulos says: It was shrouded in nightmares, Malfurion. What is happening in the Dream? What could cause such atrocities?
 * Malfurion Stormrage says: I fear for the worst, old friend. Within the Dream we fight a new foe, born of an ancient evil. Ysera's noble brood has fallen victim to the old whisperings. It seems as if the Nightmare has broken through the realm to find a new host on Azeroth.
 * Keeper Remulos says: I sensed as much, Malfurion. Dark days loom ahead.
 * Malfurion Stormrage says: Aye Remulos, prepare the mortal races.
 * Keeper Remulos says: You have been gone too long, Malfurion. Peace between the Children of Azeroth has become tenuous at best. What of my father? Of your brother? Have you any news?
 * Malfurion Stormrage says: Cenarius fights at my side. Illidan sits atop his throne in Outland – brooding. I'm afraid that the loss to Arthas proved to be his breaking point. Madness has embraced him, Remulos. He replays the events in his mind a thousand times per day, but in his mind, he is the victor and Arthas is utterly defeated. He is too far gone, old friend. I fear that the time may soon come that our bond is tested and it will not be as it was at the Well in Zin-Azshari.
 * Malfurion Stormrage says: Remulos, I am being drawn back... Tyrande... send her my love... Tell her I am safe... Tell her... Tell her I will return... Farewell...
 * Keeper Remulos says: Farewell, old friend... Farewell...

The ancient evil reference, the whisperings... I have a feeling the Nightmare is truly an Old God. The Master's Glaive could be an Old God, as he is sometimes referred to as "Nightmare." Another hint of this is his proximity to an Emerald portal in Ashenvale. Bigstackstwo (talk) 1:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

That's still debated. The 'Old God' there might not even be an old god. It might be a Forgotten One. Although "Forgotten One" could just be another term for the Old Gods since they were forgotten until the War of the Ancients by Krasus and Rhonin, who were from the current time, meaning when they got back, the old god, who turned out to be Yogg-Saron, was forgotten again until C'Thun. And even if it's an old god in Darkshore, it's dead. And only druids are known to pass into the Dream upon death, but they somehow reemerge as wisps and even become Ancient Protectors and Ancients of War/Lore and so on. Hakkar has been speculated as well, and he also has the ability to cause telepathic whispers and has a close proximity to an Emerald Portal (Duskwood), but him being the offspring of an old god is nearly impossible since he's revered by some trolls, he may just be a loa like the one in Zul'Drak. And even then, he may still be corrupting the Dream. Who knows? Too much to guess. I wouldn't necessarily doubt the old gods, but the one in Darkshore is highly unlikely. There's still an old god under the Great Sea and one in Tirisfal Glades. Plus the entity in Master's Glaive being referred to as "Nightmare" could just be a lightly used term. And what of Anzu? He was a false god, so who did he serve? Or was he a creature special to the Dream who became corrupted? And how did he reach the minds of the Arakkoa in Outland from the Emerald Dream, a parallel world to only Azeroth? Way too much info around the Dream and Nightmare, but nothing actually in it. We've only heard very little bits and pieces of info about both. The Dream also has different layers, so has the Nightmare gotten into them? And if the four dragons were able to emerge from the Dream, why can't Cenarius? If he no longer has a corporeal body, but can go in and out of the Dream entirely at will, why can't he now? Or does he choose not to? And what if Malfurion were to step through a portal? Would he remain in dream form like when he passed into the material in the War of the Ancients trilogy since his body is still in a den? Blizz has only scratched the surface of the Dream and it's happenings. But they've been working on it since they began working on the original WoW, so maybe they've a lot of info now and just withhold it from us. --Mykael Mourningsun

Is Malfurion the WoW Merlin?
It seems as if the relations between the two are too similar to be coincidence. Merlin, historically, was more a druid than a mage. It was only later, through media, that he was personified as a wizard because people often referred to a mystic as a practitioner of the arcane arts. Also, his lover, Tyrande, is extremely similar to Nimue, Merlin's lover. Nimue was called the Lady of the Lake because she was the High Priestess of Avalon, the island within the lake, and served the Earth Goddess; who would then resemble Elune. Nimue's high status from being High Priestess is also like that of Tyrande's. Tyrande also lives on an island, well a tree on an island, that for years was a myth to the younger races just as Avalon was to humans. Merlin's origins are also unclear, he obtained his mystical skills as a young boy, he had no mortal father and as to where his mother was when he was growing up is unknown. Malfurion was just known to have practiced druidism through his younger years, and had no parents. Merlin was also known to have meditated for so long and so deeply that he would often enter a dream-like trance and could stay that way for long periods of time, and come out with greater wisdom. Malfurion meditates to enter the Emerald Dream to achieve greater power in druidism and to understand the natural world better. Their differences only begin where Merlin then takes Arthur to grow up and establish Camelot and Malfurion has been in the Emerald Dream and has been fighting the nightmare even to this day. Another difference is that after Arthur's death at the hands of his son, Mordred, Merlin vanished. Malfurion has nowhere to vanish that we will have no idea where he is. We at least know he's in the Emerald Dream, regardless of the fact that we don't know where in it he is. Mykael Mourningsun (talk) 13:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Generally speaking, it's very hard not to look at a powerful senior wizard or druid in any fantasy and not see a bit of Merlin in them. Please take it to the forums.-- Ragestorm  (talk &middot; contr) 23:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That's kind of a vague statement. The only other caster in Warcraft that would resemble Merlin would be Kel'thuzad, being that Arthas is Arthur and Kel'thuzad was his advisor. But he isn't as similar to Merlin in Arthurian Legend as Malfurion is. Malfurion resembles Merlin in more aspects than that of a wise, old caster type. His history matches Merlin's rather identically. Mykael Mourningsun (talk) 07:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Merlin's no mortal father story doesn't match up with Malfurion's parents, who were apparently both night elves have been dead for some time, well before Furion took up druidism. Though Nimue has always been one of the identifications of the Lady of the Lake, the association with her as the High Priestess of Avalon (itself sketchy, as Avalon was originally more an Isle of the Blessed-type place than a center of worship) and the Earth Mother is a modern conceit brilliantly popularized by Marion Zimmer Bradley- the Lady is only described in older sources as an enchantress who is the guardian of Excalibur, and Nimue as the Merlin's scheming lover who imprisons him.  The identification of Merlin as a druid is a similar modern conceit developed by retroactively applying modern knowledge of the Celts that didn't exist in the middle ages- the stories consistently describe Merlin as simply a wizard or enchanter (and before that, a prophet and a madman) until modern authors and archaeologists realized that if he ever existed, he was probably a druid.
 * That said, I don't have a problem with seeing Merlinic influences on Malfurion, I just don't think there's as much of a syncretism as you claim.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Arthurian legend is always being changed in media. I was just pointing out some things that are very similar. He more so seems like Merlin than any other WoW character, and Blizz won't necessarily make it straight out of the books. So the specifics you pointed out won't all be taken into consideration. Hence why I didn't go too in depth. Nimue is scheming in one story, but a High Priestess in another, I'm sure Blizz likes the Priestess better. It fits into the story. And with Merlin being identified as a druid, regardless of which era that was, it again fits with Malfurion. Pulling things out of tons of sources to disqualify a small claim seems excessive. Malfurion shares plenty of traits with Merlin to seem to be heavily influenced by him. That's all I'm saying. Mykael Mourningsun (talk) 21:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems like you're trying to find a character that fits Merlin more than you are seeing Merlin in Malfurion. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Malfurion in Alliance?
I've been wondering about it on his page for a while, so is Malfurion considered a member of the Alliance or is he more of a neutral party (a.k.a. Horde friendly). If so then perhaps his faction logo should be changed to neutral especially considering the role he is expected to play in Cataclysm.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 23:43, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say to leave it until we know for sure. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:45, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

As much as I would love to think he'd get pissed at the Warsong orcs and wreak havoc upon the Horde for their genocide of trees and further encroachment on Night Elven territory, he has proven to be very passive. If there's a chance he can retain neutrality with the Horde, I'm sure he'd go for it. Plus Metzen loves the Horde, but also loves Malfurion. So I'm sure he may try to weasel in something that prevents Malfurion from unleashing the world's might upon the orcs. Not that I have anything against Metzen, but since he's the big boss of Lore, I'm certain he'd try to balance things with his two conflicting favourites. That and considering he could wave his hand and cause a mass gale wind to sweep up the orcs and land them in the South Seas, Blizz wouldn't want that happening. But I still root for Alliance over Neutral. Which makes me wonder if the Cenarion factions will become Alliance and the Alliance will have Tauren Druid NPCs just as they do Goblins, who are more Horde aligned, and that's not just the Bligewater guys. Who knows? Vae Victis 21:57, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see it now...
 * emote
 * emote
 * say
 * say
 * say
 * say
 * say
 * say
 * say
 * say --Super Bhaal (talk) 23:08, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * . . Congratulations. I no idea how to respond to that.
 * Oh yeah: take it to the forums!-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 00:41, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to open a can of worms here but I'm fairly sure he isn't part of the Alliance. He may eventually reside in Darnassus, but he never takes the Alliance crest and does not engage horde characters in any way, shape or form aside from that "we must work together to defeat " mentality. It's probably due to Knaak turning him into superman, but I think it's something to keep in mind. I'm sure it's nice for Alliance players to see him on this page with their faction symbol, but it's frankly misleading and there is nothing to suggest he's part of it, and some obvious ingame evidence to suggest he's not. Just something to keep in mind, perhaps. --


 * I think he is Alliance. He's mentioned in the new Cataclysm Night Elf player intro, he's a citizen of Darnassus and arguably a co-leader of the city and the Night Elf people with Tyrande, and I'm pretty sure that if Horde players were to enter Darnassus his NPC would aggro. He's similar to Hammul Runetotem in that he is neutral in the Hyjal event as well but the Hyjal event is a scripted instance where the Alliance and Horde put there differences aside. Doesn't mean they don't become Horde and Alliance when the threat is over. (Sports72Xtrm (talk) 13:07, September 11, 2010 (UTC))


 * I get your point, but in the current beta he's in Darnassus, lacking the Alliance symbol and does not engage horde players after Tyrande. Regardless of how I look at it, this tells me that while he obviously holds loyalties to his people, he does not consider himself a member of the Alliance. i mean, there's only so many excuses you can give as to why you'd refuse to help your wife having her face kicked in, though "neutrality" politically, while dubious, is one of them.


 * I don't really feel passionate enough about this to argue it, but I do believe writing him off as a member of the Alliance when he seems to value himself as more of a politically neutral character, who refuses to intervene against the Horde... seems to be frankly incorrect. --


 * I guess I can wait till the game comes out to see if the Alliance symbol will show then but I just think it's obvious he's Alliance even if he doesn't consider himself Alliance. Genn Greymane didn't consider himself part of the Alliance either but he was still technically a member of it in the second war. And it's not like the war with the orcs is something he can be neutral about unless he doesn't affiliate himself with Darnassus because they're at war with the Horde which is seeking to conquer the Night Elves in Cataclysm. I just think it's obvious where his loyalties lie even if it's not specifically stated and just don't feel he's neutral. (Sports72Xtrm (talk) 02:32, September 17, 2010 (UTC))

Malfurion's Age
I'm not sure if this is the place to ask but I was wondering just how old Stormrage is? User:Loganjamesalex 16:33, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if any source gave his age at the time of the War of the Ancients, but he was young then and he's about ten thousand years older now. I know that's probably not very helpful, but that's the best I can do. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:19, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * He was 15,032 in Warcraft III, but that may have been contradicted by subsequent later sources.-- 17:33, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Later sources imply that night elves cannot live for many thousands of years without Nordrassil (Furion would have been round 5,032 when it was created) and that Tyrande and the brothers Stormrage were considered young by pre-War kaldorei standards. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 20:06, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! Cheeseman 02:49, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

New Lines in Cataclysm
I'm 99% sure these lines are new. But can anyone confirm for me that Furion never said "Elune guide us" or "Hail to the Night!" in either WC3 game? If they are new, that means they got back Furion's original voice actor for Cataclysm.

I think he did say it, though as he will play sort of Major Role and most likely will be having some voice overs over the course of expansion it means they did get his old voice actor back. When they made Sylvanas say something actually, they did change her voice actress, since all the "Hi" quotes were directly from WarIII. And btw sign your posts:P Encaitar (talk) 17:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)