Talk:Tyrande Whisperwind

Long posts ago
The first part of this article taken from text on Wikipedia. Author apparently was 'Supermorff;. --Laisren 00:25, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Are we sure that picture of the Night Elves is Furion and Tyrande? that guy doesn't have antlers, and Tyrande is supposed to have dusky blue hair.--Ragestorm


 * Well, it's fairly obvious that at least Illidan is himself, and judging from the events of the War of the Ancients trilogy he never met with Cenarius alongside anyone but his brother and Tyrande. So whatever the differences are simply mistakes or retcons. Also, I remember Malfurion actually gained the antlers at a point in time in the trilogy: maybe this is before that time. --Pure.Wasted 20:55, 5 October 2006 (EDT)


 * I made that post around this time last year :-P. The image in question has since been removed. --Ragestorm 21:32, 5 October 2006 (EDT)


 * Among my other, numerous positive qualities, I especially pride myself on my intelligence.


 * ...>.< --Pure.Wasted 21:56, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

Personality
I feel the personality section is highly inaccurate. Tyrande was never really all that peaceful outside of the War of the Ancients trilogy. (She spends most of WC3 taunting people.) However, I don't want to edit it again without approval. --Aldrius 21:20, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

I'd have to agree with that. Her and all Nightelves were quite violent to outlanders stepping foot on Kalimdor. To the first mission you play her in is about killing a paladin.


 * Sign your posts. Recall that in the same mission, she helped some furbolgs escape, and that the paladin was leading forces of creatures who looked similar to the ones who kiled Cenarius. Ten thousand years of defening a gigantic tree from the Burning Crusade, half of that with your soulmate locked in the Emerald Dream, is bound to harden anybody. That is Tyrande's true personality, the other one the mask she is required to wear.--Ragestorm 10:53, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
 * I think a more accurate description would be that she's a more 'righteous' person. Someone very dedicated to their job with a song sense of duty and oath. Really, the only people she shows any true compassion for in the games are the Stormrage twins. Even Shandris she keeps at arm's length. I don't belive in 'true' personalities, though. I think that events in people's lives change them... but eh. It's up to you.--Aldrius 01:43, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

She also shows compassion for Kael'thas and his people, which is notable given how most Night Elves feel about High Elves. --Austin P 11:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Given this past discussion, I'm just curious the addition of "occasionally rash" to the personality section and looking for clarification. Referring to releasing Illidan? Anything else? Dakhma (talk) 22:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

How powerful is she really?
It seems to me that the opening paragraph is rather fawning, at best unencyclopedic. Is she really one of the most powerful persons ever? Once someone confirms this, I think I'll touch up that opening paragraph so it doesn't sound quite so... fanlove. --Zerstoren 15:35, 15 January 2007 (PST)


 * Technically, she is the most powerful priestess in Azerothian history, and she is very important, but you're essentially right; that intro is unencyclopedic. I'll modify.-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:40, 15 January 2007 (EST)

Tyrande could so totally take Fandral Staghelm. --Mesethusela 04:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

And by that I mean she could own him in a battle. Oh yeah. --Mesethusela (talk) 02:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I would think she's very powerful, considering she's able to channel the Mother Moon's power like no other, and she's had ten thousand years to work on that. She could possibly be as powerful as Malfurion, or pretty close. He channels the power of the world, she channels the moon. May not be equal, but she would be pretty damn powerful. Although I'm remaining speculative considering it hasn't been stated. But she definitely seems like she could very well be immensely powerful, at least in lore. Mykael Mourningsun (talk) 06:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

High Priestess of Elune
The 2 "High Priestess of Elune" boxes are confusing. It took me a bit to figure out. We should indicate that one of the boxes is about the past. --Voidvector 21:36, 30 December 2006 (EST)


 * It's the same way it's done on Wikipedia and other wikis. If we had years, it would make more sense, but we don't. You'll find these, , even more confusing. Dracula is an example of how it works and HM the Queen just makes the whole think ridiculous.--Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 23:12, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Personality mod
At the end of the first section Personality, there is a statement that reads with the possible exception of Fandral Staghelm. Although there may be friction between the two (and knowing the caring nature of Tyrande), I do believe that she would protect Fandral, as well as the rest of the Kaldorei race. I recommend that we remove this phrase. Thoughts? --Joe Christl 12:03, 17 January 2007 (EST)


 * Fair enough, though that statement is meant to be snide. FIY, we prefer it if you sign using your actual username. -- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:48, 17 January 2007 (EST)


 * I understand the 'snide' part. However for people that aren't used to the characters, it doesn't read that way; people are reading these articles like an encyclopedia of Warcraft.  I'll remove it for now, but if its desired to be left in, it should be worded differently.  --Z-vap 14:47, 19 January 2007 (EST)


 * Fair enough.-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:24, 19 January 2007 (EST)

A Son?
Wikipedia lists Tyrande and Malfurion as having a son named Rodalo in Outland. Can this be checked, becuause I have no knowledge of it.


 * Wowhead shows no NPC by the name of Rodalo, and I do not recall a single quest in Cenarion Refuge hinting at anything of the sort. Oh, also, don't forget to sign your edits. -- Maenos 22:12, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Actually there is no reference about a son of Malfurion and Tyrande called Rodalo in Outland. I have verified in wwikipedia there isn't such thing unless you know whewre why i can sezrch. Manuelwow

Pictures
Why are there so much pictures and fan art on this page? Pictures 3, 6 and 8 are not necessary, why do we keep them there?


 * Signing, Kirochi. Agreed, 3 and 6 are useless. 8, I think, just needs to be better placed. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 21:28, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Fixed-- 20:50, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

I also have a comment on the pictures: They're all clustered together and on one side. It looks bad, and it's pushing down text in IE. Four pictures on top of one another...then two...Why not spread them out? Ellethwen 11:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Fiddle around with them, see what you can come up with. Apart from the infobox picture, none of them are wedded to their location. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 11:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm no good with wiki formatting. I'd probably ruin the article. But if you want me to, I can try. Ellethwen 12:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The article can be reverted at any time, so experiment a little- and use the "show preview" button to view your changes before they're actually saved. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 15:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, then I'll give it a try. Ellethwen 21:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Which image did you think was fan art? The one from the Shadows & Light with her next to her tiger certainly wasn't.Baggins 21:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Take that as read. I'm not particuarly endeared to that image, but if it can be nicely placed... -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 01:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, well, I've moved the pictures around, and added the nightsaber picture. I really wanted to put it by trivia, since that's where the 'saber is mentioned, but it didn't work for some oddball reason. Anywho, feel free to move the pictures aground again or give me feedback. I didn't destory the article, and text isn't pushed down anymore, so that's good :-) Ellethwen 03:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Voice
Does anyone else think she may be voiced by Elisa Gabrielli? She's not credited as a voice, but Tyrande sounds alot like her, and it may just be union regulations.--Aldrius 02:14, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Tyrande's tiger
It actually has a name. It's written in -Shadows&Light-, sadly i don't have the book at hand at the moment. Anyone here who has?--Maibe 18:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Got it: the name of the tiger is Ash'alah--Maibe 14:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's in shadows&light, written in Tyrande's descrition and, I believe, possesions.--Maibe 11:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * We need a page number. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Page 57.Baggins 13:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't she be considered a hunteress or druid for having Ash'alah as a (pet, ally, friend, whatever)? Or is it just a Warcraft thing that shouldn't overthink? Mr.X8 02:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

She's just listed a Priestess of the Moon, in Warcraft III, so I wouldn't think too much about it.Baggins 02:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The tiger is her mount...sort of like gnomes how runs around with sabers now, ingame she cant actually dismount and let you fight both the cat and her. --Gurluas 15:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The Photo
There is a phoyo of tyrande with more two other peole who are they? if anyone has the photo could you show it to me? thanks.Manuelwow

The other two people are Illidan, and Malfurion. Go to the sons of the storms website to see it. Its the cover for the War of the Ancients Archive.Baggins 21:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Shadows & Light cover - Not Tyrande?

 * ''Moved to Talk:Tyrande Whisperwind/Shadows&Light

Pronunciation
The article says it's tee-RON-da or TIR-on-da. I don't think so... I pronounce it simply tirande. -- Shaera 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Err... How's that different from the other two? Those are the ones heard in-game. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 20:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know exactly :D Perhaps the problem is that I'm Hungarian, and I hear some things different... Anyway, that's my fault. Sorry :) -- [[Image:IconSmall_NightElf_Female.gif|Night Elf Female]]Shaera


 * Staghelm pronounces it "Teer-ON-dƏ" (schwa is like "uh"). Go on, click him! Tyrande has no idea how to lead our people! --Nerit (talk) 22:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Eranikus
That bit about Eranikus, is that a confirmed part of the story, or just another questline?--Austin P (talk) 01:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Err... how are those two ideas in conflict? -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 12:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It's stated as if it's factual, instead of something that could happen. When things haven't been confirmed outside of WoW, it's meant to be described as "It's possible to" or "In a quest", ect.--Austin P (talk) 14:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What side of policy are you referring to? I've not heard this one. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 22:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

It's the same reason raid bosses are listed as "killable" instead of dead. Just because it happens in a quest doesn't mean it's officially occured. Illidan's death is covered due to being a major character, but the article specifies that all that happens in a quest, just in case Blizzard doesn't consider him dead in future sources. If the Eranikus section hasn't been officially confirmed to have happened, and is instead just a possibility, it should be specified as such.--Austin P (talk) 02:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Bosses who just die are classified as killable. Bosses who quests refer to as dead are marked as dead (see Nefarian and Onyxia. For proof that the events involving Eranikus happened you can read the "The Story do far" article on the burning crusade official site telling us that the "heroes of the world" did in fact face the challenges given to them (raid dungeons), and ahn'qiraj couldn't have happened without Eranikus and Tyrande. 03:53, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay. That's all I wanted to know, if the quest had been confirmed from an outside source.--Austin P (talk) 13:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Hatred Against Orcs?
In the War of the Ancients, Tyrande really cared for Broxigar, and, when Krasus left, said that "We Shall meet again, I promise you that." In Warcraft three, Malfurion Suggested cooperating with these "Orcs" And Tyrande blindly refused with anger and rage, as if she forgotten about Broxigar? And there was no mention from her lips of Broxigar since the War of the Ancients, plus the fact that Krasus still haven't actually met Tyrande in the Future as he promised. Opinion?Hail, The Lord of Lore. (talk) 21:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It could be explained that RoC is set in the unaltered timeline, so Tyrande never met Broxigar, or that Nozdormu erased her memories. The most likely retroactive explanation is that she was judging the orcs based on their contemporary actions (destroying the forests and killing Cenarius) rather than Brox's example. Remember that Brox was captured in the forest and dragged to Suramar in a cage, while the orcs barged in unannounced and started ripping everything apart. She probably found difficulty reconciling the memory of a noble orc from ten millenia earlier with the percieved savages she encountered. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 15:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

As Rage said, it's cause of the altered timeline caused by the WotA triology didn't exist when RoC was made, Those books were made after and that's why. Though as blizzard has stated it as official lore, one would think that they'd release an update with a (optional) alternate timeline version? But that remains to be seen.Sennai (talk) 11:43, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Lich King's Puppet During the Prisonbreak Event?
I tried to gather all the evidence i can, to write this stuff. I believe so much evidence should be enough to prove the truth.

Ner'zhul became the Lich King under the surveillance of the Burning Legion. He was trying to build his own forces, looking for opportunities to get rid of the Burning Legion's control. To this end, he studied the Burning Legion's comprehensive plan and consider an extensive conspiracy based on it. From "World of Warcraft history" Kil'jaeden told him about part of the plan, Kel'thuazd and Arthas's dialogue about the Burning Legion after his resurrection, and in the novel "Arthas", Ke'thuzad articulated legion's final steps (Chapter 21), it's clear to see the Lich King knew the legion's Third War plan very well. In the end of Reign of Chaos Undead campaign, after Archimonde was summoned and the Scourge's command was given to the dreadlords, Kel'thuzad told Arthas very calmly: "Be patient, young death knight. The Lich King foresaw this as well. You may yet have a part to play in his grand design" stated that Lich King has foreseen this, and set the ambitious plan. But did not specify the contents of the plan.

Let's look at the Orcs and Night Elves campagin. Lich King's only visible action, that is, After Illidan's release, sent to Alsace to lure him. This fit what Kel'thuzad said before "You may yet have a part to play in his grand design." The plan was set upon Illidan inner weakness: under his brother's shadow, he was so thirsty for power to prove himself. First through the battle, let him know he was not as strong as he thought. Then tell him about the skull and Tichondrius, let him know the power source and such a good enemey to prove himself. Arthas's words were so precise, pointed out the demon hunter's desire. So Illidan would listen to him. even he was so proud. From Arthas's words, we can see the Lich King knew Illidan VERY WELL, made this plan based on the night elf betrayer's personality. Just as Arthas said "My master sees all, demon hunter. He knows that you've sought power your whole life."

Wel all see Ner'zhul used Illidan killed Tichondrius later. Why Tichondrius? Let's look at who he was and what responsibility did he carry.

Tichondrius was the strongest dreadlord, Archimonde's most powerful lieutenant and advisor. But that's not the most important point. The most important point is: He was given the command of the Scourge, after Archimonde was summoned. Arthas also told Illidan: "The dreadlord who commands this undead army is called Tichondrius." Kill him, Archimonde will lose his strongest lieutenant and advisor. This also weakened the legion's control over the Scourge. Archimonde would be forced to let someon else become the Scourge's commander.

During the final Battle of Hyjal, the Scourge army was under dreadlord Anetheron and the LICH( :o ), Rage Winterchill's command. Rage's quotes showed loyalty to the legion, but REALLY? Most of the Scourge liches were very loyal to the Lich King. connect to what he used Illidan to do, yes, now the Lich King was able to control some of Archimonde's army. What would he do? It's pretty simple: make sure Archimonde's army wouldn't be able to fullfill the demon's goal.

Illidan and Arthas's meeting, from the text of the campagin, was the following evening after his release. Lich King took his action, we can say, very quickly. Can he make such a good plan, that is, totally based on Illidan's personality, in such a short period of time? In the novel "Arthas", Kel'thuzad "had said once the demons were gone, as idly as if he were conversing about the weather" (Chapter 21). The taskof kill Tichondrius, we can not find a better or, second choice besides Illidan.The legion was about to reach Hyjal. The demon Illidan did not only gain strength, but also gave Tichondrius a great surprise like he said:"What? Who are... you?" when he met Illidan. Think about Kel'thuzad's "grand design" and what Artha said toward Illidan again. All these evidences of a big conspiracy, combined with the Lich King's personality, he's such a grand manipulator, and think about the importance of legion's fall. We can confirm this: the Lich King had chose Illidan as a important "actor" in his "grand design" long before he was released, not suddenly know him, suddenly got an idea and send Arthas.

In Frozen Throne, Illidan was ordered to attack Frozen Throne, it was a new plan made after the failure of the Legion, even the planner, Kil'jaden had not thought of that at that time. Lich King did not like the ability to see the future.

But here there is a problem: Illidan is important to implement his ambitious plan. But he's not some nightelf commander or warrior. In truth, he has been in jail for so long. He got free just because Tyrande had an idea after knew his prison, killed the jailors to release him.

The mastermind of Reign of Chaos,the Lich King Ner'zhul, would set such a grand ambitious plan based on someone who's in prison for 10000 years, actually released so occasionally, and only a few days before the Legion reached Hyjal? Unless he could make sure he would be released?

Specifically Tyrande's prisonbreak was very occasionally, actually very strange and anomalous.

Tyrande's personality, although between Warcraft III, World of Warcraft novels, there are a little difference. But she was a kind heroine in all thse versions. Even in Reign of Chaos, she helped the furbolgs twice before she free Illidan. She was also a very faithful priestess of Elune.

She did not know what's behind that door at first, but with some "hint?" She asked Furion:"The pathway cuts off to the south, but this doorway looks promising." After she knew it lead to Illidan's prison, she had a arguement with Furion, then went to release Illidan, said "I cannot go back " so it would have seemed a bit strange.

Tyrande killed her ownkind, some wildkins: Elune's creation and a Keeper of the Grove, Elune's child. This fact was not only proved in this campagin, Maiev said about this in Frozen Throne, World of Warcraft official website Encyclopedia also confirmed Tyrande killed jailors. Both the wildkins and the Keeper of the Grove had dialogue with Tyrande. So it should be considered as hard evidenced lore. That Keeper of the Grove might be Cenarius's son, or grand son, it does not really matter.

Tyrande respect Cenarius very well, she has the battle quote "in the name of Cenarius". She was also very friendly and respectful to his children except the Centaurs. Not only her, almost all of Elune's worshipers were very respectful towards Cenarius's children.

Why do I say this case is extremely abnormal? Because it's not only weird for Tyrande herself, but also, in the whole history of the night elves and even World of Warcraft can not find other examples like this.

Tyrande, never killed her uncorrupted ownkind before or after this. Not to mention Keeper of the Groves.

Not only Tyrande, let's look at the history of the night elves, there was no other example of uncorrupt Night Elves,ever killed a uncorrupted Keeper of the Grove, son of Cenarius.

In the whole history of Warcraft, a priest killed his/her God's direct heirs killer without losing his/her mind or change belief. This is very very rare, maybe there was, I can not find one at this time.

From the perspective of personal feelings, Tyrande explicitly rejected Illidan's love, chose Malfurion. She does still have feelings for Illidan, but not very very strong, otherwise she could simply release him long before this event. In Reign of Chaos, and she would not Mal'furion to banish Illidan. She said nothing about Illidan's love. In the Frozen Throne she even stated Illidan was a monster. She did not even know his love, when Illidan rescued her from the Scourge, she even thought Illidan came to kill her. Her faith of the goddess of the moon was much stronger, she had a lot of prayers about the goddess in Wacraft III, and it was stated in some other resources. She would not free Illidan with the price of killing her own kind and Elune's heirs. Like I said, what Tyrande did was almost a unique case in the whole Night Elf or even Warcraft history, it is very unreasonable.

From the perspective of Elune, we know is that she is a good Goddess. Well, from personal feelings, she absolutely had no reason to free someone who used arcane energy or even demon's power, with the price of killing her own children. The wildkin's "Your quest is foolhardy! Even your goddess has condemned the one you seek to free!" was more logical to Elune, and it was said after Tyrande's "Goddess grants Furion was wrong". Even if she felt that Iliidan could play a important role to save this world, she would not just tell Tyrande, but also the wildkins and Keeper of the Grove to avoid unnecessary conflicts and death. It's safe to say Elune could not find a reason to tell Tyrande to do that.

From the political and practical point of view, the human and orcs could prove much bigger help than Illidan. In the Reign of Chaos Night Elf's 4th campagin, Malfurion asked his love about making ally with them. However, Tyrande was extremely angry and refused it. She said: "They are mongrels and nothing more! They are responsible for Cenarius' death! I will be damned before I stand with them." That's pretty understandable because Cenarius was her goddess's son, friend of the nightelves. But a few hours later, to free Illidan, an individual who once commited crime to the nighelves and, could prove much less help than the human and orcs, she just did what those "mongrels," once did, killed Elune's children, a Keeper of the Grove. the difference was: She did that as the priestess of Elune. From Tyrande, or any Night Elf's perspective at that time, she would not know Illidan would cosume that skull, became a powerful demon and defeat Tichondrius. If she could kill Elune's children as the high priestess of Elune, to free Illidan. She should put the hatred away like Malfurion, make ally with the human and orcs since the murderer was already dead and they could prove huge help. It's so unnatural.

Tyrande's action from her point of view, is extremely unreasonable and even perverse. But if you pull an angle, think about the question we the previously mentioned, also pretty unreasonable: Lich King setup up such a massive and important plan based on Illidan, a prisoner for so long,got released only a few days before the battle of Hyjal, and because of Tyrande's weird action? These two, seemingly unreasonable things, if we put them together. The answer, it is so nice and natural.

From Tyrande belief, she had very very strong belief of Elune, a faithful priestess, she was very respectful towards her goddess's children. From the Lich King Ner'zhul....after he became the Lich King ... he did not have any belief at all.

From the Tyrande's personality, she was very kind, unless there's no other choices, she would not choose to kill their own people. Not to mention her goddess's grandchildren. Actually she never did this before or after.

From the Lich King Ner'zhul's personality, he was a ruthless villain, as long as he will gain sufficient payback on this, virtually anyone can be sacrificed to achieve the purpose. Not to mention a few watchers, wildkins and Keeper of the Grove.

From Tyrande's knowledge at the time: She could only see Illidan had special power, once fought the legion, he might become a powerful ally.

From the Lich King Ner'zhul's knowledge at the time: He had been calculating for so long, let Illidan cosume the skull, take Tichondrius down, weaken the Burning Legion's control over the Scourge, let his lich Rage Winterchill become commander. Then Archimonde's downfall will be almost certain. It's a crucial step in his grand design.

The prisonbreak, to Tyrande, was extremely weird, but to the Lich King, it's just perfect to fit him. Regardless of his "faith", personality, logic, or the benefit. From the fact, that he talk with the Kel'thuzad and remind Arthas about Lady Sylvanas's betrayal before, we can see Ner'zhul can almost see anyplace in this world if he wants to. His mental strength is also expounded in World of Warcraft history. With his personality, will not set a huge plan based on Illidan, without make sure Illidan would get free from prison, in time. Well, in fact it's no longer a "can he do that" or "will he do that", but rather the facts all pointed to this answer, his played Tyrande's will, used her as a puppet, released Illidan to implement the remaining steps.

So that's Lich King's grand design

First Set up the whole "play", pick all the "actors", especially Illidan. Second Affect Tyrande's will to free him. Third Send Arthas, lure out Illidan's desire. Fourth Let Illidan play his role, consume the skull and kill Tichondrius. Fifth Now the legion's control was weaker, let his lich Rage Winterchill gain control of the Scourge army. Sixth Let these Scourge forces slow the whole army's step without let Archimonde know, make sure Archimonde won't be able to get there before Furion's ritual was completed. Seventh With the downfall of the legion, the Lich King could completely break from their control, the Scourge became a independent faction

SLOWPOKE (talk) 17:09, 08 Jan 2010 (PTC)

This is not a forum. --Morec of Rivendare (talk) 23:16, March 16, 2010 (UTC)