Talk:Fandral Staghelm

I hate this guy
This guy is going to lead the druids into the ground I hope the true arch druid destroys whatever is happening in the emerald dream soon either that or someone like Hamuel Runetotem take over


 * While I'm in full agreement, O fellow Devotee of Furion, we are asking that you sign your posts (with four tides, ~ ~ ~ ~ without the spaces) so that we know who we're talking to. Were you making an observation or starting a discussion? --Ragestorm 07:34, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

I think he's just bitter because General Rajaxx killed his son.-Bubblehearthlol

Seeing your son be snapped in half by a giant insect monster is no excuse for being an A-hole, if he's a druid he should no that his son lives on in hte dream or somthing like that. or mabye rez him since druids can do that. Truckman1 15:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I hate him too,he's specist against tauren druids. If Malfurion were here he'd get rid of Staghelm along with that sorry excuse world tree. He'd probably work on uniting the Horde and the Alliance too. Zarnks 18:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If Shan'do Stormrage were to return, everything would be for the better. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 03:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Fandral. Arch Druid or Druid of Claw?
For my campaigns should I make him look like a Malfurion or a Druid of the Claw?

Go with what you think is right.

For Warcraft III? Make him look like Malfurion. He is an Archdruid, after all. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 18:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC) -- This Staghelm guy is a real arse. I played a Night Elf Druid and a Tauren Druid and I must say the Tauren Arch Druid is a lot nicer. I think the Tauren are closer to nature than the night elves. Malfurion is a great guy, but come back please Shando Stormrage... I hate Staghelm.

As for his son, its a sad tale, but no excuse to plant an evil tree and be a nasty person. The other Night Elf NPCs are so nice most of the time. This guy has some issues.


 * Sign your posts please. That's the whole point- if every NPC were nice and heroic, you'd find yourself incredibly bored. --Ragestorm 10:17, 26 November 2006 (EST)


 * Actually, that's why I like him much more than any night elf. Night elfs normally have no real character at all - at least Staghelm has. The rest of them are mostly "Oh, fiddlefiddle yay tree woowoo ohnoes demons pewpew" and that's it. -- T inker  er  10:18, 26 November 2006 (EST)


 * Carefully re-arrange the syllables of my username to determine why I must respectfully disagree.--Ragestorm 10:23, 26 November 2006 (EST)
 * I'm a gnome. You can say enough about me as counterargument, anyway ;) -- T inker  er  10:32, 26 November 2006 (EST)


 * I would, but I find gnomes hilarious. I recall Blizzard's female gnome voice sample: "I apoligize profusely for any inconvienience my murderous rampage may have caused." She must have been a warlock.--Ragestorm 11:59, 26 November 2006 (EST)

I like world killing trees as much as the next guy but I gota agree with you he is an arse and I don't play a druid and I still hate him I wish either (A)Malfurion comes back or (B) His world killing tree kills him.--Vrall 19:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

It's just a huge tree that is being corrupted. I see nothing wrong with making a tree like it in the first place, besides the obvious selfish motives behind it. I love trees though. And Night Elves. Gnomes are funny, but pretty annoying sometimes. Fandango Staghat is just an opinionated, bitter guy who had to watch his son get brutally executed. That isn't an excuse for being a jerk, but he doesn't need an excuse. People are jerks all the time without one. Fandral just doesn't know how to deal with it. He's got no one. He isn't even married, is he? I haven't heard of his wife, she might have been lost to Fandral as well. As for Malfurion, I want him to return as well. I am a big fan of The Brothers Stormrage, especially when they are together. I'd like to see Illidan and Malfurion fight the Lich King. --Mesethusela (talk) 21:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Interesting subplot?
There's been some hints in various quest texts and other things that could lead to the conclusion that Staghelm may have a hand in Malfurion being stuck in the Emerald Dream - probably in order to seize power for himself. --Szili 15:19, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Can you give us the text of those quests? Hordesupporter 12:45, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

In the book Lands of Mystery it is stated that Malfurion was betrayed by another druid that trapped him in the nightmare. It also says only 2 druids are powerfull enough to do that: Remulos and mr Staghelm. And since Staghelm often argued with Malfurion about how the druids should act, he also studies Morrowgrain. Would be cool if blizz made us fight him:) (Keilden 02:45, 7 May 2007 (EDT))


 * However, given the act that we're being set up to think of Staghelm immediately, it could be Remulos. I'd rather it were Staghelm, but it's worth noting. -- Ragestorm  (talk &middot; contr) 09:04, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Could be. But dosent Malfurions Spirit talk to Remolus as his friend? (Keilden 16:04, 7 May 2007 (EDT))


 * He might not know. It could have been done outside the dream where he could not see him.-- 16:33, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Hmm yeah. But why would he do it? There are several reasons for Staghelm to do it, but Remmy? (Keilden 02:11, 8 May 2007 (EDT))


 * Drama, my friends, drama. His reasons would only be obvious in hindsight. For example, Tyrande could lead a raid through a dungeon to get to Malfurion's kidnapped body; just as the find it, it is not Staghelm, but Remulos who steps from the shadows; who then explains. Like I said, I prefer it if Staghelm's the one guilty. It's also possible it's someone else we don't yet know about. -_ Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 08:30, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Hmm the reason i see why Remmy would it becuse the Legion/Old Gods/Random Evil Dude somehow convinced him that its Malfurions fault that his brother was killed by the centaurs. (Keilden 02:31, 9 May 2007 (EDT))


 * we won't know for a while yet. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 09:18, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Actually, Furion wasn't necessarily attacked by a druid. That description comes from an adventure hook, which aren't official but are placed in the book to give RPG players some ideas for their campaigns. Not that it's not a good discussion topic, it's just not a fact that it was another druid that took him out. --Austin P 13:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You raise an excellent point. However, the only people besides druids who would have access to Furion's den are Priestesses of the Moon... -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 18:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

It was Brann Bronzebeard who revealed that only Staghelm or Remulos could have betrayed Malfurion, right? I think that either one would make a good potential villain/boss in the emerald dream, but I would prefer it if it was Staghelm. He'd be like the Illidan of the Emerald Dream....Tazmantdr (talk) 16:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Creation
The only reason Fandral is here is because Blizzard is a bunch of Malfurion fanboys and fangirls and didn't want Horde ganking Malfurion, thats the reason they created Fandral, just to protect Furion. Hordesupporter 15:32, 11 April 2007 (EDT)


 * If THAT would be the only reason Tyrande would not be attackable and Thrall would also be missing.--Maibe 16:48, 11 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Agreed. Wasn't it established (years ago, at this point) that NPCs killed in PvP are not lore deaths? Fandral's character is closely linked to him (he's almost an anti-Furion), it's true, but that reasoning is extremely one-dimensional.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 17:12, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

It's a point of opinion I was making, Sylvanas is my favorite character so I get upset when the alliance kills her, if I had it my way she would be untargetable, I was just trying to sound stupid with my comment, but it might have some partial truth. Hordesupporter 12:40, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Actually...most of the people I know on the servers I'm on think tyrande gives PVP-Points...Staghelm gets ignored by Horde and Alliance alike...--Maibe 13:41, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Hordesupporter, it's a good thing you put this on the talk page. I've banned people for putting less in an article. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:48, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * If there really were fanboys and fangirls in Blizzard who want to protect Malfurion, they wouldn't have had Fandral stab him in the back (not literally, well possibly poisoning actually), and leave him for dead, ;). Its implied that Fandral is partially behind the coma that Malfurion is in, so that he could get the position of power.Baggins 17:36, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

I just meant they were favoring Stormrage, so much that they decided to make sure that the horde would never gank him. Hordesupporter 23:03, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * and THAT, my dear, is completely nonsense...have you even read what I said about Tyrande and Thrall? If you'd knew a BIT about Blizzard you'd rather say they favour Thrall...yet...he is ingame...and killable...--Maibe 05:41, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Did you completly miss my point? I said my comments we're meant to sound stupid. Hordesupporter 18:59, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

In game leader
Despite Tyrande being designated the official NE leader, Staghelm is designated as the leader in-game (Players gets Honor for killing him rather than Tyrande). So I've added that note. Felz 02:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Also the link shows the list of bosses which grant HK, Staghelm is among that list. Felz 02:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Fandral + Old Gods = True?
Anyone else ever considered Fandral might be working for the Old Gods? Since the death of his son, they might have been whispering him maddening thoughts and promises of that they can (with their godlike powers) bring his son back to life if he agrees to serve them.

He trapped Malfurion in the Emerald Dream, planted Teldrassil on a location that I belive might be hiding an Old God (I got no real proof of this) and by doing so granting this Old God access to the Emerald Dream (creating the Emerald Nightmare), thus also corrupting it's roots and native life (also why seacreatures are so desperate to get away from the island that they even crashland onto Darkshore). Also Fandral is collecting vast amounts of morrowgrain - a strong herb used in curses - for unknown reasons (perhaps for keeping Malfurion trapped in the Dream, strengthening the Old God, or corrupting Teldrassil even more). THis is just a theory and I'd like to know what others might think of it. Strifuhn


 * THIS IS NOT A FORUM-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 18:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, this is Sparta! On a more serious note, how about linking to WW:NOT when you make variations of the above statement Ragestorm? 16:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't had to issue an advisory in a while, but in the future, I will endeavour to do so.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 16:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Name
I have seen this word spelled Archdruid, Arch Druid, and Arch-Druid. Are they all correct? Also, it says for his Character info that he is a Druid. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 05:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Archdruid is technically a title, though people often use it in place of a class. I've seen it most as one word, (cf. Archmage), but I don't think there's a major problem with the two-word usage. We should stick to one, though, for consistency's sake. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well the RPG says both Archdruid and Arch-Druid when in a title, archdruid and arch-druid when not in a title, while WoW says Arch Druid so I am not sure which is the one we should go along with now. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 13:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I just told you, Archdruid as one word. I didn't suggest it because I don't believe you about seeing the different forms, I'm suggesting it because "Archmage" which is an identical sort of word in nearly every way, is done as one word, and most of what we have puts it as one word. The fact that Blizzard's got all those forms suggests it really doesn't matter. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Split
How come this article isn't split into lore and WoW pages? Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 07:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Because I'm pretty sure we only do that with raid bosses. Apart from battle tactics, WoW *IS* lore. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Political Power
Are we going to be seeing some conflict within the Cenarion Circle? Malfurion is returning, and Fandral was only like a steward while Mal was in a coma, but I don't see Staghelm giving up his position too easily. Especially if he's dabbled with Marrowgrain and has issues with Tyrande, which I'm sure if you have an issue with her, Malfurion will hate you. And there'll even be a bigger issue if it turns out that Fandral was responsible or was involved in causing Furion to entre his strange coma. Or will he simply be removed, killed or something in the Stormrage novel like Sinestra was in Night of the Dragon, and Malfurion will comment on the issue? This seems to me to be part of the "Major shifts in power" Blizz said in the Cataclysm trailer such as Thrall's possible stepping down from his position as Horde leader. Mykael Mourningsun (talk) 06:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on the events in the Stormrage book I would guess they put him in the Night Elf "home" with Maiev Shadowsong. And he won't be bothering anyone anymore. Mattyankees (talk) 19:08, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Stormrage
Whats happens to Fandral in the novel Stormrage? I've heard different things ranging from his imprisonment to his death. --Sairez (talk)
 * He kind of loses his mind when he sees his 'son' dying again (in the form of a hallucination). I doubt he's fit for ruling after these events. Wolfstorm11 (talk) 16:46, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Irregardless, the only thing that matters is that Malfurion's back in charge.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 17:28, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you're saying irregardless too easy and fast here. Fandral could regain his wits and we're left with a gaping chasm of war between Malfurion and Fandral. That he has lost his mind now does not mean he cannot recover. So his fate, quite frankly, is to be regarded. Wolfstorm11 (talk) 17:31, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * If Fandral does regain his wits, he'll more than likely simply be the leader of the Alliance druids, comparative to Hamuul for the Horde, thus leaving Malfurion in a neutral standpoint as he will play in Cataclysm.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 20:47, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think the druids make a distinction between Horde and Alliance, and that it's only in-game for gameplay reasons. This is most strongly seen when, in the Stormrage novel, Broll Bearmantle displays a strong friendship with Hamuul Runetotem. So if Fandral comes back, there is (most likely) no such thing as 'being leader of alliance druids'. Ofcourse, maybe it could be Fandral himself causing this rift... Wolfstorm11 (talk) 21:09, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well he was a Night Elf supremest to begin with as shown by his belief that the Night Elves were the first druids...despite what the Tauren say.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 23:48, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know what happens to Fandral, maybe someone should put in his page along with the other Stormrage novel info about Fandral. --Sairez (talk)

Current affiliation
After reading Stormrage, it doesn't seem that "Satyr" is the correct term. Wouldn't "Emerald Nightmare" be better, or "Nightmare Lord"? Even doing a double-mention of "Lord Xavius (Mind Corrupted by Lord Xavius)" would be better. Xavius hadn't even been a satyr for 10,000 years....--Mondoblasto (talk) 06:30, October 4, 2010 (UTC)