Talk:Warmaul

I think this article is too confusing. The category is called "Ogre clans". The article is just called "Warmaul". Within the article, "Warmaul clan/tribe" is bolded even though WW:MOS says that only the title of an article should be bolded. It then goes on to say that the Warmaul are just a "clan". I think "Warmaul clan" as the name of this article was okay in the first place. Rolandius ( talk  -  contr ) 02:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think it was correct. I could say that the correct was "Warmaul tribe" as it is referred as that in one quest, while it is never refered as Warmaul clan, just in one text it says: a clan of ogres known as Warmaul. I suggested moving it to Warmaul so that no one should argue why should clan or tribe is better. And note that I moved it to "Warmaul clan/tribe" but it was like a subarticle of "Warmaul clan" so it can't be moved to that title. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 03:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. I was just wondering why the category is called "Ogre clans" but then this article is not called "Warmaul clan". Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, actually that category is a bit strange, I think the name should be changed to "Ogre organizations" as it includes tribes (Torchbelcher tribe); but I'm not sure. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 03:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe. I am just wondering why the category is called "Ogre clans" when the articles themselves are a mix of "name plus clan", "name plus tribe", or just "name". Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Probably because the person was thinking about clans at the time. 03:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well at the time probably. I just mean that currently it is called that and I don't think users can move category articles. They can only edit or create new category articles. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 03:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Tribe and clan are often interchangeable for Blizzard, you should know this already Rolandius as you've argued this same thing for other alike articles... this was also a reason it was best to not move articles to " clan" or " tribe" and keep them as just " " to avoid confusion. The category is for both clans and tribes, but since most are often referred to as clans the clan category is used. 06:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I know they are often interchangeable. Tribe/Clan articles though are not all spelled " ". They are a mix of " clan", " tribe", and " ". I thought we were doing the " clan" and " tribe" method, whichever term they were called most often. So are we only supposed to name articles by " "? That would mean all articles with "tribe" or "clan" in their name have to be changed to just " ". Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * They were named without the clan and tribe before... but someone... decided to move everything. 06:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I think it was more like someone asked... and was given permission... to move everything. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 06:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd ask you to point me where this discussion took place, but I'm sure you don't remember by now. 06:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well it wasn't all in one discussion. It was over a period of time where I asked why is this or that article named with tribe or clan in it but this or that other one isn't. I would then move it if I was told I could or the other person would move it. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 07:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Back to my question, are articles now supposed to be named only " ", or is this the only article that can be changed to " ", or are ogre clans/tribes the only articles that can be changed to " "? Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 07:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

What about " ", like "Coilfang Naga" or "Warmaul ogres" that seems neutral-ish.-- 19:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Huuum, thought it covers many Organizations/Clans/Tribes, here the some bastard example:
 * "Kvaldir Kvaldir"
 * 20:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Why do we need a page about Kvaldir mobs that have the generic Kvaldir in their names?-- 20:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well Rolandius could be asking it, but "why don't we split the Kvaldir race and the Kvaldir clan?"
 * 20:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If we're unsure about clan/tribe (although I think it doesn't matter at all, so naming them all clans would be ok for me) we should just leave them as "Warmaul". As far as I know, there's nothing with the same name that could be confused with them, nope?
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 20:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, so are articles now being named without anything after it like "Warmaul" and "Wildhammer" or just in some cases? We would have to change article titles with "tribe", "clan", etc. in them to just the core word. For instance, "Warmaul clan" or "Wildhammer clan" would now just be titled "Warmaul" and "Wildhammer". Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 01:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There's reason why it can be called both Warmaul clan and Warmaul tribe. Moving the article to either name would make it incorrect. The name right now is fine as it is since it's neutral. -- 06:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, so the answer is yes all articles should be named without "tribe", "clan", or anything attached to it in order to make it neutral. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 08:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, I said that this article's name is fine; since there are sources that say it's called both a clan and tribe, keeping it with this name is the preferred option, since it's neutral. Never did I say that all articles should be treated this way. -- 09:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

At Wildhammer's case, clan is the most used one, if not the only one, so it's fine to name it Wildhammer clan. In Warmaul's case, we're unsure of which one to use, so we use it the simple neutral way.--Lon-ami (talk) 09:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay then, articles should have "tribe", "clan", or whatever attached to it (ex. "Wildhammer clan") unless the term is called both in which case just the term (Ex. "Warmaul") is the name of the article. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 09:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if "clan" appears 200 times and "tribe" only one, well, it's pretty clear, at least for me, that it's "clan". It would also depend on the sources, since, well, the name they use to call it couldn't be the real name. After all, we don't take pinkskins as the name for humans.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] ( talk -  contr ) 10:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)