Wowpedia talk:List of unique character icons

Beast

 * Spirit Owl - Ban'thalos, Dori'thur

Humanoid

 * Daakara
 * Jin'do the godbreaker
 * Hex Lord Malacrass - skin colour his unique and facial markings

Dragonkin

 * Tarecgosa

Eternal

 * Malorne - New Model in 4.2

Demon

 * Mother Shahraz

Elemental

 * Lord Rhyolith in magma form

Undead

 * Anub'arak (trial of the crusader)

Other

 * Devourer of Souls

Removals

 * M'uru (Sunwell Plateau) - Impossible to make a clear icon
 * Cenarius - Differences barely noticeable with the keeper of the grove icon.

Leader Icons
I made icons for the most unique and/or memorable characters on (and some off) the list. These include Shandris, Vol'jin, Gazlowe, Gallywix, Nazgrel, Geyah, Leoroxx, Aethas, Emeriss, Lethon, Ysondre, Erudax and undead Nefarian and Onyxia.

The others I don't think deserve their own icon. I notice the list was mostly made of faction leaders, but just because you're the nominal leader of an ingame faction doesn't mean you're a significant character in lore. Roanauk Icemist might have been an exception, but taunka are incredibly difficult to make icons of because their heads are so huge - you either have to zoom in and obliterate their outline or zoom out and blur their face and neither way looks very good. Also, the leader of the Reliquary looks exactly like Halduron Brightwing so use his icon if needed. --Varghedin (talk) 12:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I putted everyone on the list because they had normal race icons on the faction leaders list where almost everybody else had custom icons, in the horde list, 5 icons are not unique in the alliance list 2 are not unique--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah but this isn't about fairness toward or against Horde/Alliance, it's about the significance of each person suggested. We can't give unique icons to any old NPC because then it would never stop. We have to be a little picky about who we choose to make a unique icon for otherwise the whole thing will just become completely inflated and the special honor it is to receive a unique icon will vanish. --Varghedin (talk) 14:01, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well i suggested these because there kinda is a need to be different from the icons because the same icons will appear below on th list, so meh--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's perfectly alright to have the icons repeating in a list of NPCs. --Varghedin (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think faction leaders are important enough to have their own icons, you might not want to do it but at least leave them there for someone that does...--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * They are back on the list, but you're right on roanuk as a taunka is head is too big to be indistinguishable from others.--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * well i can note a few differences:

-Zaela: unique one sided shoulder and hair -Tael'an: has a monocle -Tharg: is grey/Blue -Vellog: he's not bald
 * the last two okay not so different but the first two are different enough--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Putress: TBC or WotLK
I think Putress is WotLK. Why?

Same reason Blood Elves and High Elves are TBC.

Putress appears in an event of TBC, but he was implemented for WotLK and currently can only be seen at WotLK content.

So I think he should be WotLK.

If you want to put it TBC, then change Varian to vanilla. After all, he was at Alcaz.

--Lon-ami (talk) 17:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you're still on the idea of "interacting" then no, Varian remains WotLK, as he gave no "buble speech" and no quest while he was in Alcaz, unlinke Putress.
 * 08:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * He was at Stormwind, too. During the event. Like Putress.
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 09:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well yes for that, but not Vanilla has you said first :) He's like putress.
 * Or we can put for those characters who made their first appearance in the pre-wotlk event.
 * 09:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * So, why is Varian WotLK when you can interact with him in vanilla? (He's at Stormwind)
 * And why is Putress TBC when you need WotLK to interact with him? (He's no longer at Shattrath)
 * I would leave they tagged with the expansion when they appeared. 3.0.2 is part of WotLK, as the 3 indicates. It's the most simple and the best option in my opinion. Else, we would have problems with characters like Nazgrel, who was at Grommash Hold and now is at Thrallmar. And same with the blood elves.
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 09:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would have to agree with Lonus-Amicus here. Both Putress and Varian are heavily tied up to the WoTLK expansion, and the only argument for tagging them as BC is that they appeared in the pre-WotLK event, which had all to do with the story WotLK and nothing to do with that of BC. -- 08:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's it! But I'll wait for A'noob to reply before changing anything.
 * Anyway, Varghedin, I'm looking forward the new icons of Ulduar :P.
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 10:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a frakkin' trap! *shoot himself*
 * 10:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thorim, Hodir, Freya icons
hey think you could make an icon for Thorim, Hodir, Freya since they got unique models in Ulduar and being lore characters.--Maelstrong 18:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Patience, patch 3.0 not live yet. Until it doesn't go live, I doubt Varghedin will create them.
 * Just wait ;).
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 18:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure he got all of those ready already xD
 * 19:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Since their models aren't in the game files yet, I'd be limited to making icons off posted screenshots (I'm not a raider so I won't be taking any myself). What I could do is make preliminary icons and then update them after the patch if needed. -- 09:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Great work, as always ;).
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 14:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Damn nice job man, I love your work. Where did you find an image of Alaglon the Observer? If you dont mind me asking:D--Maelstrong 22:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I basically googled his name. The image is from MMO-Champion. -- 22:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

cool, now i noticed you put him on the Major Characters page. I did some research on this guy so i'm just saying now that yes hes a yellow, but can you please explain how he goes in the category of Vrykul? I mean i'm fine with it being there I just dont understand why you put it there. Like I said, i'm completely fine with it but it would be nice to know.--Maelstrong 01:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I had no idea where to put him since he's basically a unique model, and I don't know what the game files call it. However, he has the physical body shape of a male vrykul, even though his essence seems to be made of starstuff. So he could be a "Star vrykul" or a "Constellation" or something else. I don't even know if he's classified as humanoid. -- 06:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think he can be classified with the other watchers. After all, they all are titan constructs. Anyway, he's pretty big, too. So giant, then.
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 07:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Nerzul, Gul'dan


think you could make icons for Guldan and Nerzhul? Nerzhul has a unquie model because of the skull on his face and gul'dan has a unquie armor set, including helm. If you could make them that would be awesome, they have Wow images but i assume you already know:D --Maelstrong 00:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

also you could put them under BC since they were both in the Black Temple trailer and Gul'dan was ingame as a vision--Maelstrong 00:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I made them. The Zer'zhul one looks ok but in the Gul'dan one is kind of hard to tell what's going on. I guess I'll upload them and see how they are received. -- 14:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Update: I changed it to the old Metzen artwork that I colored. The screenshot was really hard to decipher with the hood and the mouthpiece hiding the face. -- 15:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

sweet, can you do one for Grom Hellscream too? And maybe if possible give Thrall a unquie one as well? --Maelstrong 19:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

could you possible make a Garrosh Hellscream icon as well. I mean in-game hes face looks the same but his face is completely different in the Ulduar.I hope i'm not being too demanding i just love your work soooo much and its fantastic!--Maelstrong 19:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I made Grom, Thrall, Garrosh, Jaina and Rhonin, the four latter ones from the Ulduar trailer caps. -- 08:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

awesome!!, if you dont mind could you make an icon for Tyrande Whisperwind, Uther the Lightbringer,Kargath Bladefist,Vereesa Windrunner, and Arthas Menethil(Death Knight)? I say these guys deserve there own icons. --Maelstrong 12:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Alright, they've been added, along with Aegwynn, Broll, Malfurion and Valeera. -- 14:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

oh i almost forgot, could you make a Broxigar icon? if you could then i'm good:D You might as well add the rest of the Son of Lothar, Danath Trollbane, Kurdan Wildhammer. i guess you should add Varok Saurfang and Saurfang the younger as well. I dont know who else would deserve there own unquie icon, Cairne Bloodhoof maybe? --Maelstrong 17:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

i'm not sure if you can do Alleria Windrunner but if you can that would be cool.--Maelstrong 23:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Danath, Alleria, Turalyon, Kurdran, Saurfang I and II, and Cairne were done. Brox doesn't have any usable art, sorry. -- 09:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

what about the one from the cover of Demon Soul? His head is fully visiable. Also probalby should make a Krasus Icon too, the one from gthe cover of NotD maybe since some hes got some features of High Elf Blood Elf and Human(I dont want to argue about that ok). I'm just making suggestions. hey A'noob, i know you check this page alot, you got any suggestions for icons?--Maelstrong 14:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you stalking me ? xD
 * How about Broxigar (from WoA), Krasus (from NotD), Maybye Magni, Azshara, maybye a more personal Sargeras and Elune.
 * 15:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

LOL, no, on your user page theres a link to this page lol, so i assume you check this out alot. And to add on we might as well have icons for Muridin and Brann right.--Maelstrong 15:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

you could also do a sylvanas icon when shes alive. Maybe a Darion and Tirion icon too.--Maelstrong 17:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Is there even a picture (a good picture) of undead Darion?--TheUltimate (talk) 18:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

ok never mind about Darion, Rehgar Earthfury instead i guess lol Cant wait to see the new icons:D--Maelstrong 18:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

are you currently working on the icons now? the suspense is killing me xD and i think Kilrogg Deadeye deserves his own icon.--Maelstrong 00:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

all the suggestions posted are a little hard to read i guess so i'll just list them, the ones that havent been made into icons
 * Broxigar (from WoA)
 * Krasus (from NotD)
 * Brann Bronzebeard
 * Muridin Bronzebeard
 * Magni Bronzebread
 * Elune
 * Sylvanas Windrunner (Alive/High Elf)
 * Tirion Fordring
 * Darion Mograine
 * Rehgar Earthfury
 * Kilrogg Deadeye

some new suggestions-
 * Cho'gall
 * Kel'Thuzad
 * Blackhand
 * Llane Wrynn I
 * Mannoroth
 * Azgalor

If you could get at least a few of these done today that would be awesome, or at least give me i notice that your working on them. Your work on these icons is great and i love seeing new ones. Respond please:D--Maelstrong 21:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Relax, Maelstrong... I have a life outside of wowwiki too, no matter if my contribution record says otherwise ;). I did do a bunch of icons this morning and posted them on the project page. The ones that made it on are Sylvanas (high elf), Tirion, Darion, Magni, Brann, Muradin, Cho'gall, Llane, Blackhand, Rehgar and Krasus. The other ones didn't have any art that could be made into icons, either because they're black/white, too heavily shadowed, at weird angles, too detailed, too little detailed, and so on. Believe me, I tried it for all of them but in order to get a nice icon the pic needs to be evenly lit and preferably have a 3-dimensional pixel range, otherwise the icon ends up indecipherable. I'd rather have the characters have a proper (but not unique) race icon than some unique pixel blob that looks like a cross between a shrub and plane crash. -- 09:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

sorry about that, i got a little carried away:) anyways is it cool if i still make suggestions? just make only a few sugeestions each day, and i can make sure first that they have what you described. i dont know when your gonna anwser but just in case i'll make some suggestions now.
 * Bolvar Fordragon
 * Iridi
 * Fandral Staghelm
 * Hamuul Runetotem
 * Vindicator Maraad
 * Nobundo
 * Zuluhed the Whacked
 * Dentarg
 * Rend Blackhand

that should be good on suggestions for now. Again sorry about me being carried away and impatient--Maelstrong 19:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

i was gonna suggest Dath'Remar Sunstrider but.... could you use his only image so that way people will stop using both high elf and Highborne icons for him?--Maelstrong 19:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

A'noob you got any suggestions for Varghedin?--Maelstrong 20:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * For a better reading, just add your suggestions to the new top page list, and we will strike (or simply remove) them when they're done :)
 * 09:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

good idea:D--Maelstrong 10:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hamuul, Iridi, Nobundo, Bolvar, Fandral, Dath'Remar, Rend and Zuluhed were doable. Dentarg didn't work (two heads in one box is hard to pull off), and Vindicator Maraad is just an action figure. Does he really deserve an icon? -- 17:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

i acciently put Maraad in and forgot to remove it when i was removing guys like Rokhan(Troll), and the high priestess of the Aldor. I only suggested him at first because he was gonna be a major character in the #21 comic and he already had a model in Wow. But your right he doesnt deserve his own icon. Dentarg i thought would work since you used the Cho'gall icon from WC2. It looked like it would but oh well, i only suggested him because he seemed like a popular character but since the revolt against making new icons is up i guess a Dentarg icon would be necessary--Maelstrong 19:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I suggest Illidan Stormrage be added as well. 01:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

umm yea, check the Demon area, please dont move Illidans icon to elves.--Maelstrong 01:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, lol. Ya, didn't see him there >_< /facepalm

Well, since I feel like I should actually be contributing something, why not Eitrigg? 01:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

i just made a King Terenas icon, you wanna add it to the list?--Maelstrong 01:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC) < Eitrigg right here <--- not a very good one but its my own custom made one, if you want an icon from Vaghedin your gonna have to wait a bit.--Maelstrong 01:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Do we really need this?
Seriously, I think we're having an overdose of icons. it's good to have icons of concrete WoW models, but this is too much. For god's sake.

I'd rather focus on race icons than in character icons but, well, I'm no one to decide.

--Lon-ami (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the same, although all the icons are very cool, there are many characters who didn't really need it. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I also think we should cool it off. We don't need an icon for every minor character that's featured in a Warcraft story, since they are quite limited in where they can be used in wowwiki. -- 19:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, they're only used at lists of characters, just to depict the race of each one.
 * To depict the race, we have the race icons, so no need of more.
 * I'd just limit it to WoW custom models, and remove those based on any other type of images.
 * After all, we should follow the latest update to the media, and that's WoW.
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 19:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

thats fine with cooling it off, but i dont think its necessary to remove the icons that Varghedin worked on, plus A'noobs been puting the new icons in like the Books, Manga, Novels Comics, ect. sections. Removing the ones that are based on any other types of images is tottally unnecessary. Whats done is done. Besides, i ran out of suggestions. What we got now is good enough i agree.

Overall very nice job on the icons, and i'll be done with the suggestions, but really Varghedin, you rock. I got a little addicted and you didnt get upset with me when i overdid it. Your Awesome:D--Maelstrong 19:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I almost forgot!, A'noobs awesome for putting the Unique Icons in the right spots: Novels, Books, Comic, Manga, Media, ect. --Maelstrong 20:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC) for a last requested icon could you make a Orgrim icon using this image? I believe Orgrim Doomhammer deserves his own icon. I know you said you couldnt make a Orgrim Doomerhammer icon because there was no using Artwork, but would this work? if you can make it i'm asking this as a final requested icon.--Maelstrong 20:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC) i tryed making my own icon. so i'm guessing you can make it into an icon:D I dont have Photoshop so i could only make it 35x36 to make it.--Maelstrong 21:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I made it a 18x18 gif, is it good enough ? (paint powaa!)
 * 22:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 22:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL, that should be good, forv now until he can make a better one on photoshop, i was just about to upload a 18x18 xD lol--Maelstrong 22:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * [[File:Icon_Azgalor.jpg]] we could use this for Azgalor icon, though it needs some editing. with a little work it will become my new icon sig:D--Maelstrong 22:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * ta da!--[[File:Icon_Azgalor.jpg]]Maelstrong 00:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That Azgalor icon underlines what I said earlier... to me that doesn't look like a pit lord, it looks like someone stepped on a grape. If I squint my eyes and tilt my head and put my nose on the screen, I can kind of see what it is, but only because I tried to make an icon of that pic earlier and it didn't work. -- 08:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I vote for using only WoW models for icons, or else, everything will go mad. I, myself, don't recognize most of the icons, icons that are supposed to depict the race/type of the character/creature.
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 09:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ahhhh what's that supposed-azgalor-thing ? ^^ just let Varghedin do what he masters, I think you shoul remain the suggesting boy Mael (no offense xD).
 * I am agaisnt the use of wow model onyl for icons :) For example, Terenas is not in game but he as quite an imposing face in the W3 cinematic.
 * Keep up the good work Varghedin!
 * 10:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

thats just gonna be part of my sig:D, i made it myself since my old one was causing problems. I have to admit, my icons suck, i dont even know how to get that blakc background, i'm guessing it has something to do with wowmodelviewer but thats another story. Anyways, since King Ymrion got moved to undead and now the Human/Orc icon balance is lost, so we need one more humanh icon it looks like. Might as well make it Terenas lol.--Maelstrong 11:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

What about people who only appeared in WC-WC3? What do we do about them!?

P.S: Most of the characters here who appear in WoW use their WoW models in their icons anyways. 14:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I suggest that characters that have a wow Model should always stick to that. IF a character is deemed necessary to have one and doesn't have a WoW model, go with WCIII and then go to artwork.Lego3400 (talk) 23:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

ok i know my icon sucks, why not just make a Brutallus icon since he has a Unquie model. This is just a suggestion, Same with th four loas of Zul'Aman,Halazzi,Nalorakk, Jan'alai, Akil'zon those could work as icons. Like I said, suggestions no need to make anymore icons, just do what you think is right Varghedin. Your the man--Maelstrong 00:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I've tried to make some Scarlet Monastery guys, but I can't get a clear image once it's done, MS Paint definitly suxx!
 * 11:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

just use there wow model then:D--Maelstrong 15:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Warcraft 3 icons
ok everytime i see Murdins icon i dont think of murudin, i think of a mountain king. Could it be possible to change the icon so to what he looks like in WoW? same thing with Carine Bloodhoof, hes got a Wow model, lol, why not use that for the icon instead of the Tauren Chieftain icon? I'm not trying to be rude or anything but i think this needs to be fixed because i dont think giving a tauren chieftain icon and saying its carnie is unqiue, same as Muradin. Anyone agree?--Maelstrong 16:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Disagree.
 * In popular culture, Muradin and Cairne are both THE MOUNTAIN KING and THE TAUREN CHIEFTAIN.
 * Their icons clearly allow a swift "identification".
 * 17:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Disagree with disagree. Those models aren't unique for them. WoW's are.--Lon-ami (talk) 19:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * When you see the icons of Cairne and Muradin, you don't recognise them? when you see Cairne's icon, you think it's Baine? When you see Muradin's you think its a random moutain king?
 * 19:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

well for people who play battle.net, like myself, are gonna be seeing a random mountain king and tauren chieftain everytime they see those icons. It would look 10x better if there icons were changed to there wow models, maybe the same with Sylvanas's high elf icon should be changed to her high elf(living) model.--Maelstrong 22:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Truth. Also, there are other named mountain kings at W3, so better the WoW ones.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Muradin: [[File:Small Muradin.gif]]
 * Yorg: [[File:Small Yorg.gif]]
 * I fear Muradin is too dark and Yorg look too much like Magni
 * 21:12, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah... :S
 * You could try using wowmodelviewer instead, for better quality.
 * Hell, Varghedin, you should write a tutorial to make those awesome icons you make! So we can reach your quality :(.
 * If 2 icons look too similar, just change the angle of vision :P.
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 09:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Drek'Thar

 * How about a Drek'Thar?
 * based on the WoW [[File:Small Drek'Thar.gif]]
 * or Warcraft Adventures
 * 17:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The WoW one is cool, but, well, the quality... xDDD
 * Why don't you try another program? For example, GIMP is free software and you'll have a nice quality ;).
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It is GIMP-made...
 * I go hang my self!
 * 17:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh... Crap. What I don't like is that white frame around Drek'thar. That's all. I thought it was a side-effect of paint :s. --Lon-ami (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Changed a bit, but know I have a white dot in the up-left corner instead of a frame
 * 17:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not quite Varghedin's quality, but can it be use? and witch one?
 * 20:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * As long as no one complains, you ca use them wherever you want.
 * Save my user page, of course xDDD.
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 10:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Dragons
How about Onyxia, Nef, and Keristrasza. 00:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Icecrown
Can Varghedin make something out of the Icecrown boss achievement icons ?
 * Lady Deathwhisper Achievement boss ladydeathwhisper.png
 * Festergut & Rotface Achievement boss festergutrotface.png
 * Sindragosa Achievement boss sindragosa.png

08:37, October 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can do it on Monday when I come home from vacation in Spain. -- 08:10, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, enjoy your time off!
 * 08:57, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Vacations at Spain! I'm from Spain! I leave at Spain!
 * Let me guess: Mallorca or Canarias xDDD.
 * Anyway, we've a good list of request up there, and another one at the races icons. We seriously need some of those, man, and I think I won't be the only one agreeing you're the best maker around here.
 * Of course, if you have time.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:37, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I am in Basque Country, 1.5 hours south of San Sebastian attending a choir festival :) I will be making some of those icons when I can at home - plane leaves in 2 days -- 12:06, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * WHoA. I live in Bilbao, man xDDD (1 hour road San Sebastian).
 * You just rocked mah head.
 * Have a good time at the festival, and don't worry about the icons, make them when you can .--Lon-ami (talk) 12:24, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hah, that is too funny cause I think we are going to Bilbao today. We are performing in Igorre tonight and I think we are headed to Bilbao first to go to the Gugenheim museum. Our hostel is in Alsasua and the contest itself is held in Tolosa. Getting on the bus headed towards your place in 15 mins XD -- 13:13, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Mah gawd, life is freaking unexpectable xDDD.
 * Well, good luck with the contest. About Guggenheim... well, I think they don't have any good exposition right now, so you'll see the basic "modern art" stuff... :P.
 * Looking forward opinions about my city :d. We could meet and whatever, but I guess you don't have time, and my spoken eng is just awful. Also, blame university and work overdose. Anyway, if you have free time around or something and want tips for toursim or whatever, add me to msn and ask; I'll be online the entire day ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 13:52, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * As you said, we were on a pretty strict time regimen, and did not have time to sightsee beyond the Guggeheim museum. I liked the building itself a lot, but most of the art inside was kind of meh. I ended up taking only pictures of the architecture XD. The city itself was cool, much bigger than I thought and not as close to the sea as I thought. I really liked the view we got as we approached the city from the south. You live in one of those tall red houses? Anyway, shouldnt spam this talk page with personal stuff too much but it was fun to be there :) -- 00:36, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Red houses... depends on angle, but I think you could have been mostly right. Take this angle: from Guggenheim towards Spider statue. If you were referring to those red houses, yeah, I have a small "warehouse" there, but my house is a bit downer, like at the opposite side of that high-zone. Awesome you were around, anyway :P. And yeah, (agree with the art thing. You should have seen it when they brought the Aztec-Mayan exhibition :).
 * As for the icons (speaks about icons just to say something about the main topic xD) I'd wait a bit more, since I suspect we'll be having the patch release soon. That, or you could download the PTR and watch the models, or try to get the icons from pictures around the net.
 * Anyway: how did the contest end? :P--Lon-ami (talk) 18:07, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Girl choir from Latvia won because the Dutch girls who got the most points were disqualified for being composed entirely of professional singers. We came in at 5th place. I'm using PTR screenshots as they get uploaded since there's a new model coming in every few days now. -- 12:11, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

NYI
Shouldn't we let the NYI tags for the dead characters? Uther was dead but appeared in CoT, Terenas is to appear in IC.

10:12, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's appropriate to have a Not Yet In-game tag for deceased characters because we can't expect every dead character to show up in-game. If they do, they can receive a wotlk-inline or similar, but I don't think we should have a tag on them as if we're expecting them to show up unless we have accurate information they will. -- 12:07, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't even bother putting a tag for if they are deceased or not, just the expansion their model corresponds to.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:49, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * That was a way to split clearly the following categories of characters:
 * Deceased but never in-game
 * Deceased but vanilla wow
 * Because now, without the NYI, we a beginer cannot see the difference between those two cats.
 * 17:47, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit: I added the to split clearly, what do you think of it?
 * 17:47, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it looks nice -- 17:26, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it looks nice -- 17:26, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Dar'Khan Drathir
Hmm. I made one, but like most b/w comic pics it's not really great quality.

15:24, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not too bad, we still recognize him.
 * 16:02, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Antonidas using Khadgar icon
Is there any reason for this? I remember it was already reverted, and I saw it being put back to this again. As far as I know, Antonidas doesn't look like Khadgar, so having them share the icon is pretty pointless.--Lon-ami (talk) 20:47, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well Khadgar's model in WoW (and so his icon) is a transposition of the War3 Archmage in WoW, and Antonidas had the Archmage skin.
 * So using for any War3 archmage is (imo) pretty relevant.
 * 20:50, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * That was my thought also. Of course Antonidas and Khadgar don't look the same, but the Khadgar icon is a better approximation than the generic blonde human male icon. -- 23:07, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't feel right using "approximates". Unique icons are unique for something. I'd leave him with the human male icon. The best solution, anyway, is to create a new icon for him, using W3 archmage or his monument at Dalaran. N'Nanz already reverted A'noob's changes.--Lon-ami (talk) 13:09, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Antonidas is a male human so when a icon is needed for him the generic human male template must be used. Otherwise Drek'thar icon should be used for any old white haired orc, velen's one for every old draenei. A unique icon is made to represent the character for what it's intented. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 16:15, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Drek'thar and Velen have none to do here.
 * Like I said before, Khadgar's model in WoW (and so his icon) is a transposition of the War3 Archmage in WoW, and Antonidas had the Archmage skin.
 * Anyway Antonidas ended up in the suggestion section.
 * 16:27, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Korialstrasz
Was trying to make one for Korialstrasz's dragon form based on File:Korialstrasz_color.JPG but it came out like this. Can anyone help? 12:28, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

ICC Bosses
Can we consider them dead once their wing has been opened to the public? Or shall we wait for the Lich King to fall or the next patch/expansion?

18:04, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Going by precedent, not until the next expansion. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Antonidas
I made a try, do not hesitate to update it ^^

12:25, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fine; already used it :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:35, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think its better something like File:Antonidas.jpg because the current one is not Antonidas-only related but every random archmage in WCIII had that same face. On the other hand the file I suggest is strictly for him. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 20:59, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Auriaya and Kologarn
Can anyone make icons for those two? i'm trying to complete the titanic watchers page.--Ashbear160 (talk) 02:58, April 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Kologarn is
 * Auriaya is
 * 09:28, April 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I asked for Auriaya because she has a gold skin that differentiates her from the rest of titan models..., and i found out kologarn doesn't fit the definition, i still need the Auriaya icon trough--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:50, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm Characters

 * Alliance
 * Moira Bronzebeard
 * Dagran Thaurissan II
 * Falstad Wildhammer
 * Dragonkin
 * Undead Onyxia
 * Undead nefarian
 * Sintharia
 * Ancients
 * Aviana
 * Cenarius
 * Malorne
 * Tortolla
 * Nemesis
 * Goldrinn
 * Lycanthoth
 * Sorry for any typos please correct if you see them wrong.
 * This is a list of models that are going to appear or be updated in cataclysm, or are marked as placeholder--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:14, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just removed the already existing ones that we have access to in-game to have them in the update list of the talk page.
 * 00:48, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

List updated--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:12, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * List is terribly outdated... plz continue updating on the top--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Unique model and big list
To Ashbear.

A "unique model" means a skin that is not a recolored version of another (morogrim for exemple). Gear (weapons and armors) do not account for uniqueness.

16:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * And by the way, I don't believe we need a unique icon for every single instance boss that is not even 0.0001% important in the whole story (Drakkari Colossus, Grandmaster Vorpil, Solarian, Shazrah, and friends).
 * 16:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Shazrah, atramedes, anubarak, grand vizier, ahnraphet,garfrost has a unique model, morogrim is the only with that skin such as the conclave of wind,hexlord, fathom lord void reaver, auraya,devorer of souls, and i'm not doing every instance boss, just the ones that i see that are unique and that would be noticable on the icon, and the noticeable helms does make it different enough, to be noticeable.--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought this was originally meant for character that are really important, and ideally that we have some images of them to have something to make icon of, like Tyrande. For example, Galen Trollbane. First of all, he uses ordinary forsaken model, then, he is not really important and we have only in-game model to make icon of. If he used something unique, like Illidan, I would agree that he deserve his own icon. However, when I saw that he received his own icon, along with dozens other meaningless characters, I was strongly disappointed and even disgusted. That's the way I see it. Neutralion (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I've checked each model/skin to see if it was unique and/or story relevant.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I have the feeling the suggestion list as well as the list itself is getting filed with "meaning less dudes".
 * 19:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Specify which ones you want to see gone, and i'll try to counter argument, if i don't find any counter-argument i will remove it--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I will begin this...
 * Humanoids
 * Jorin Deadeye - brown male orc, not unique
 * Zaela Leader - black female orc, not unique
 * Tae'thelan Bloodwatcher - male blood elf, not unique
 * High Astromancer Solarian - her helm makes her unique? Don't care about gear they wear. female blood elf, NOT unique.
 * Hex Lord Malacrass - male forest troll, not important character, but an unique look.
 * Grandmaster Vorpil - male orc, cultist look. Could justify new icon.
 * Fathom-Lord Karathress - male naga, naga have 5 skin colors - can't make a skin color for all of them, not really an important character
 * Hogger - standard gnoll


 * Dragonkin
 * Atramedes - Unique


 * Eternal
 * Sseratus - serpent, not unique
 * Rhunok - bear, not unique
 * Akali - rhino, not unique
 * Shadra - spider, not unique just bigger
 * Zanza the Restless - could justify new icon
 * Oacha'noa - kraken, not unique
 * Cenarius - has very little difference to the current icon, from a face perspective
 * Aku'mai - hydra, not unique
 * Gahz'rilla - hydra, not unique


 * Giant
 * Morogrim Tidewalker - sea giant, not important character, but might justify new icon


 * Titanic Watcher
 * Anraphet - Justifies new icon
 * Auriaya - female titan, not unique


 * Demon
 * Mother Shahraz - shivarra, unique, could justify new icon
 * Void Reaver - fel reaver, different color, not unique


 * Elemental
 * Grand Vizier Ertan - air elemental, unique model, could justify new icon, but not an important character
 * Anshal - djinni, not unique
 * Rohash - djinni, not unique
 * Nezir - djinni, not unique


 * Mechanical
 * Drakkari Colossus - drakkari golem, not unqiue


 * Undead
 * Devourer of Souls - not unique
 * Anub'arak - unique look, might justify new icon
 * Eydis Darkbane - val'kyr, not unique
 * Fjola Lightbane - val'kyr, not unique
 * Forgemaster Garfrost - flesh giant, different colors, not important character
 * Scourgelord Tyrannus - could justify new icon, since Falric and Marwyn got one

And there's my opinion on the current list as of 2/11/2011. 23:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * That's cheating...

--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:50, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Humanoids
 * Jorin Deadeye - Leader Icon Needed, has a visible eyepatch
 * Zaela Leader - Leader icon needed, unique haircut
 * Tae'thelan Bloodwatcher - Removed, Leader icon no longer needed, has a monocl
 * High Astromancer Solarian - Removed
 * Hex Lord Malacrass - unique skin and facial markings(also teeth but i'm not sure), important role in zul'aman is leeching the loas(also the only boss of that instance with a unique icon)
 * Fathom-Lord Karathress - is him the only one with this skin, i didn't find anybody else with his skin
 * Hogger - isn't his model different now?
 * Eternal
 * Sseratus - Deity Icon needed, and relevant to the Zul'drak plot
 * Rhunok - Above
 * Akali - Above
 * Shadra - Above, but change change zul'drak plot with hinterland, zul'gurub plot and mentioned by zen'traba in her story
 * Oacha'noa - Above but important to tuskar plot
 * Cenarius - misses black hair and big horns
 * Aku'mai - Pet of the old gods i only put these 2 hydras due to relevance to the old god plot
 * Gahz'rilla - above
 * Titanic Watcher
 * Auriaya - Is there a titan model with golden skin as far as i know she's unique
 * Demon
 * Void Reaver - unique colour? isn't that unique enough?
 * Elemental
 * Anshal - Unique skin(nobody else uses this skin, all other djinns uses siamat skin) and member of the conclave of the wind which are the rulers of skywall below al'akir
 * Rohash - see above
 * Nezir - see above
 * Mechanical
 * Drakkari Colossus - Removed
 * Undead
 * Devourer of Souls - Unique it's already on the list but uses the model of the reliquary of souls
 * Eydis Darkbane - removed
 * Fjola Lightbane - removed
 * Forgemaster Garfrost - Removed, added to creature icon(i found that there are creatures with it)


 * OK, I guess that I also have something to say about this. Those who are important only in certain plots are not important enough. See, for example, Oacha'noa. Yeah, she is pretty important for tuskarrs, but players get to her for about two minutes of life of their character, and then we never see her again. From Humanoids, I would remove all but Hogger. Hogger is there just for his pure awesomeness. But seriously, unique hairstyle? Eyepatch? If my character would get an eyepatch, would you insist on making icon for it? As A'noob said, forget about gear. Malacrass have unique model, but not important role. Just unique skins are not important if model is the same. Mother Shahraz could have it, but Forgemaster really doesn't deserve it, not speaking about fact that it is ABSOLUTELY the same model tuat uses every one flesh giant. Those two hydras are really not important, and they use regular hydra models.

So at the end, I would leave only Hogger and Shahraz there. I was really angry when I saw that Ptah receives his own icon, while his model was same as Marrowgar. And also, I guess that Scourgelord Tyrannus really doesn't deserve it - Marwyn and Falric were important in lore, he is not. I guess that's all from me. Neutralion (talk) 07:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I just want to say that due to the overflow of requests on this page I'm pretty much giving up on even trying to keep up with the list, so I'm not really paying attention any more. That is all. --Varghedin (talk) 08:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok sorry to have annoyed you varghedin
 * Neutralion in Zaaela and Jorin cases they are leaders of orc clans, Malacrass his important in zul'aman, he is the one that made the other four bosses and empowered Zul'jin, i removed the forgemaster already, and the hydras depends don't you consider pets of the old gods relevant when the old gods are the main background enemies of the cataclysm, Oachanoa is there because she's a deity, and i'm going to need it in the near future, ill probably end up removing hogger since he dosn't show anything different--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I know lore of all these characters very well, thank you! I doesn't matter if they are pets of Old gods or gardeners in Stormwind, they just don't deserve their icon. Malacrass is really not so important - we cannot make icons for every boss that have some lore behind him. Jorin and Zaela: And what now? This is about their importance, not about fact that they lead clans. And for Oacha'noa, it's the same case, but please tell me what you will need her icon for. Neutralion (talk) 13:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The other troll bosses of zul'aman got their own icon because they were unique, hex lord malacrass is also unique ad even more relevant to the zul'aman story than them, and the only one without a icon, and as some of you may know i hate exceptions/double standards, and isn't the fact that they lead clans important?, i removed archeron a velog because they don't really have any difference with the race icons but these two have visible differences but whatever, about the deities i'm going to make a deity or redesign all the deities page, i'm just trying to get my mind behind how--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree to the fact about importance of those four ascendants, but Malacrass can still use forest troll icon because he is forest troll, while the other four are unique in true meaning of word. Oacha'noa? I don't know. It could be teoretically done off her TCG card, but I still do not see much point in it. For Zaela and Jorin, yeah, it would make them important if we didn't get to kill Jorin just when he first see him and problem ends, while Zaela is leader for about month and neither of them made any other appereances. Neutralion (talk) 14:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Jorin isn't killed at least his article doesn't say he's killed, him and zaela are there because there needs leaders icons to distinguish from the race and they are different enough to be noticable, Malacrass is far more important to the plot and has a unique model that's noticeable in the icon, Oachanoa her model is the same as the card, the card just makes it look closer.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, mistaken him for Grillok Darkeye. But still, they are not important and they don't deserve it. No, they don't need them. It seems like ignorant and pathetic attempt to make them look important. Not every leader need it. Neutralion (talk) 20:02, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Need as in needed for the horde page infobox--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:18, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * No, they do not. There is nothing baring them from using normal icons and instead have them using unique icons like they deserved it. Neutralion (talk) 20:39, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Fine these two can go off the list, they wouldn't show much on the icons anyway, if i knew how to make these icons i would make them myself but as far as i'm aware there no sort of tutorial for these things(Right? or could someone explain to me how to do these icons?)
 * But unless you give a good counter argument for the others they are staying on the list, because there are already others on the list that follow the same rules, ill just follow coobra more arguments more closely--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:17, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, leave them here, we'll see how long they will stay there. Just to remind you, unique model doesn't mean unique ehmvoidreaverehmauriaya skin. Neutralion (talk) 19:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Arbitrary Break

 * Once again, Auraya is not a unique model, she uses the same TitanFemaleSkin just like multiple NPCs.
 * She does not belong here.
 * 19:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Unique skin, she the only one that uses that specific skin, i just want her icon because she's the only titanic watcher from ulduar that doesn't have her own icon--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * A titanic watcher of ulduar yes, but don't be dumb, this is every TitanFemale model...
 * 20:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Same with our beloved Void Reaver. Removing him.
 * Neutralion (talk) 20:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Just noticed something. ERUDAX RECEIVED HIS OWN ICON? HOW IN THE HELL IS HIS MODEL DIFFERENT FROM VEZAX? You will kill me one day, Ashbear. If I could, I would delete all those icons for guys with skins like no one another.
 * Neutralion (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes and lots of demigods, and others, i think you're overreacting to the fact this is a list of unique icons--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, maybe we should get an icon for Teralion, because he has not the same color as Valiona and Halion !
 * 20:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Others use his skin i already checked--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Correction Other abyssion shares the skin with him so that does not make Theralion unique, while it makes the others unique, because noone else uses their skin, and in retrospect we should probably remove the doomlords since there are many that use the same skin i think--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You are confusing an icon named DoomLord and an icon named Kazzak
 * 20:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * nope all of them as marked as doomlords--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I jsut wanted to comment that Erudax and Vezax are the only known representatives of that particular model, and they're both named and have different skins from each other. That's why I ended up making the Erudax icon. This is different from, say, Auriaya the Loreless because there are numerous representatives of the female titan model. --Varghedin (talk) 16:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * And that would be same reason for the bone wraiths, Marrowgar and Ptah, for whoever brought that up. 20:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * What about the doomlords? also auraya has more lore than erudax, besides there are like 7 guys with unique skins(that nobody else uses except for those that are already on the list)Auraya, Morogrimm, Void Reaver, and the 3 guys of the conclave of wind(Like Lethon, Emeriss) also the devourer of souls applies to that rule.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Wrong, Auraya is used by all Maiden of.. Myzrael and co. Morogrim is used by every Sea giant, Void reaver by every fel reaver, the conclave of wind is used by evey Djinn in-game.
 * Only the devourer of souls would be ok because he is like vezax/erudax and ptah/marrowgar the only one along with the reliquary of souls.
 * For all other, another color of the same skin is not an acceptable suggestion imo.
 * 20:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes i meant the skin was not used by anyone else in the game, and at least i think the conclave of the wind are important storywise...--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:32, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * skin!=model+color, skin=model.
 * 06:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

M'uru
Mu'ru is unique i checked it has a unique model in the wowmodelviewer —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.


 * Having a specifically named model and being unique are two different things. M'uru is a naaru and naaru have an icon, the void god has an icon. 22:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It was more of his Dark Naaru model, not the Void God model, nor the normal Naaru model with Purple skin, unless you prefer if i put it in the race as Dark Naaru icon, either way works.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The "Dark Naaru" thing and their cycle of life is still speculation
 * Use Naaru icon for all naaru either black or green
 * 22:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Then it's a Mu'ru icon, he's pretty important in the storyline and has a unique model that looks distinct from other naaru's--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * He lacks a glow... it's the exact same model. And besides... doesn't he become "reborn" at the end to be of pure light. 22:51, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Not it's not, i checked wmv, his model is called muru, he is a unique model like varimathras, brutalus ad archimonde are a unique model, and he kinda dies to reignite the sunwell.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually attempted to make a M'uru icon and it didn't work. He's way too dark so he disappears against the background. Just FYI. --Varghedin (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok at least you gave it a try--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

C'thun Icon
I changed the icon of c'thun to the one of the giant eye because as far as i know only c'thun uses that model to represent himself and the other model is already used to represent ancient and powerful evil in outlands and yogg-saron influence in icecrown.--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The giant eye is used quite a bit... wheres as C'thun true form is only really used twice so far, and one was just for a short quest. 19:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It is? i never seen it used outside C'thun, i was going to use C'thun tre form as a generic old god race icon(since it hints as that) and the giant eye as cthun icon, but i'll check where the model of the giant eye is used first.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * According to wowhead the only thing that uses that eye model is two things, the Eye of C'Thun the first phase of the C'thun boss fight, and The Master's Eye which is C'thun talking to the Twin Emperors, before their fight, the skin is even called the EyeofKathunePurple, so o i haven't found anything else that uses that model that isn't C'thun.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe that particular model of a giant eye... but then there's the blue version heavily used during Wrath, and in Cata the purple version is used as the eyes of the ancient underwater creature (though not as clickable npcs). And The Ocular uses the purple version with a blue shield. 19:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't remember any blue version in wrath... and i don't think as part of other models count...
 * The point is that C'thun would be better represented by his eye that his is own unique model(since nobody else uses it), than a generic old god model that was first used by him but now it's used to represent old god or their influence in general(in the water of that quarry in ice crown and the summoned old god)--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Eye of Acherus. But anyway... the eye shouldn't really represent him as both models are named as his eyes "The Master's Eye" and "Eye of C'thun". It would be like using a Female Vrykul to represent Yogg-saron for example. 19:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I still prefer eye, maybe we could do it like we do the dragonkin, put their true form and then their favoured form.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I changed it so it works like the dragonkin section--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:43, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope you have no problems with that.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Unique
Following the removal of Magmaw, I feel we need do discuss and settle, once and for all, were is the "unique limit". Here is a, possibly not full, list of icons used for multiple characters because they share the same model in-game.


 * - 2 named
 * - 3 named
 * - 1 named 1 mob
 * - 2 named
 * - 4 named


 * - 2 named
 * - 2 named
 * - 1 named 2 mobs
 * - 4 named 1-2 mobs
 * - few named few mobs


 * - 1 named 1 mob
 * - 3 named
 * - 1 named 1 mob
 * - 2 named
 * - 2 named


 * - 2 named
 * - few named few mobs
 * - 1 named 1 mob
 * - 2 named
 * - 1 named 1 mob


 * - 1 named 1 mob
 * - few named few mobs
 * - 2 named
 * - 2 named

So, the point is, what you be the limit for an icon to be in this list? One use of the model? Two? Tree? Another criteria?

Go ahead, it's brainstorming time!

07:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * My personal criteria is if all the mobs using the icon are named ones they stay (example turtle acient icon is only used by named characters Tor-Tun, Ghamoo-Ra, Tortolla), if there is one generic named mob (Mirmiron, Enslaved Mechagnome), the icons are removed, however if they part of a group or important characters in specific storyline could be exceptions (mirmiron is part of a group the ulduar watchers).
 * The only exception i'm interested in keeping are titanic watchers and tameable spirit beasts, in keeping on this list as a group.
 * So my list of removals would be:


 * - NO - personalized icon, noone else uses this icon
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only
 * - NO - named mobs only


 * - DUNNO - unique as far as i know
 * - DUNNO - Maloriak uses unique model according to wowhead
 * - DUNNO - Mu'ru is important character and boss in sunwell plateau and relevant to blood elf plot
 * - DUNNO - Veranus/Razorscale is important character and boss in ulduar
 * - DUNNO - Veranus/Razorscale is important character and boss in ulduar
 * - DUNNO - Mirmiron is important character and boss in ulduar
 * - DUNNO - Sapphiron is important character trough arthas storyline and boss in Naxxramas
 * - DUNNO - Sindragosa is important character trough arthas storyline and boss in Icecrown Citadel
 * - DUNNO - Nightbane is a boss of Karazhan
 * - YES - generic mobs in cataclysm instance
 * - YES - generic mobs in 4.2


 * --Ashbear160 (talk) 13:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Blah, blah, blah... not certainly sure what are you guys talking about, but I would like to point out one thing. Why in the hell Erudax has unique icon and do not use sake as Vezax? He is uniquely colored, but he is the same race and same model. I think that they should me definitely merged. Just my bit. Neutralion (talk) 16:52, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Got a bit clearer on who has names and who is mobs, because wowhead is not to be fully trusted: sometimes it compares model and color (DragonManBodyRed) and sometimes only model (DragonManBody)
 * I would tend to say like you:
 * if the icon is only used by named we keep it
 * if the icon is used by at least one non-named mob, we remove it, unless the character is really important lorewise
 * 16:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * - Not unique. There are several mobs in Shadowmoon Valley with this model.
 * - Not unique. It's just a blue proto-drake, and there are tons of those.
 * - Not unique. Mimiron may be important, but he shares his model with every other mechagnome in the game.
 * / - Not unique. There are far too many mobs using both these models, and neither Sapphiron nor Sindragosa are critically important.
 * - Not unique anymore, with Wrath introducing Magmawyrms and Emberwyrms.
 * -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:34, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Being a list of unique icons, it should be just that... if the icon is on the creature icon list, then it really shouldn't appear here as well. Though I would compromise with allowing icons appearing on both pages if the icon is only used for named mobs (and not generic mobs). 18:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * So everything i marked as yes and dunno should be removed, and i don't want Vezax and Erudax fused just because when we have already have the image and they each use unique skins.
 * The only problem i see is Razorscale which has the same model as the Proto-behemoth, and i don't know if that's just name that halfus gave his pet or a generic mob name.
 * What should we rename Attumen Icon? i know they are a type of undead, and the name Dark Rider has come up, but i'm not sure.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Is the proto-behemoth a plated drake? I thought it was a red one. But then, I'm not usually watching it too closely. As for the Attumen one, dark rider seems fine to me. The mobs in Shadowmoon are called Riders of Karabor. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:37, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I checked using wowhead same model list and it says that razorscale and proto-behemoth are the same, i did the same with attumen and the dark rider of archerus came up and another named mob.--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course it's the same model. All proto-drakes use the same model. Keep in mind, Wowhead can be very inconsistent in whether or not it counts a different skin as the same model. However, it did have a very clear screenshot, which was enough to tell me that it's either using the Rusted Proto-Drake skin or a new one, but definitely NOT the Ironbound skin that Razorscale uses. Mount aside, that one is still unique. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah now i noticed that it uses the rusted skin, well the Proto-Behemoth should be on this list too then since it's the only one that uses that skin and he's unique.
 * Okay removed Chromaggus, Magmaw, Sindragosa, Saphiron, Nightbane, Attumen and Entropious--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:00, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I care nothing for icons, but regarding the Proto-Behemoth, is the Plated proto-drake page wrong? Also, I believe Attumen's model is used for a type of death knight. I'm not sure "Dark Rider" is a thing on its own.-- 22:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I still have doubts over maloriak, mirmiron, Veranus / razorscale stay because one is unique and other is the same character, added proto-behemoth.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The Proto-Behemoth is a rusted Protodrake, which the skin name is razorscale_warm same for rusted protodrakes.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Alysrazor uses the skin of Armored Fire Hawk like Trained Fire Hawk an NPC. He's out!
 * 14:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * When that happens remember to transfer the icon to the list of race icons, if there is none.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:41, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Just to say two more things: Maloriak model is unique, although that is not noticeable in the icon (he has metal wings and alchemy gear around his belt) but he should stay removed, and i think we should leave Veranus in since he's the same character as razorzscale.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The icon for Alysrazor, was specifically made for Alysrazor, all other firehawks can use the standard icon made for them. 03:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Alysrazor has the same skin as a NPC, so he falls under the category of icons that would be removed because they represent at least one non-named mob.
 * Ain't it?
 * 09:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * While normally I'd say yes, it's more unique than a racial icon. And if we allow this icon to be used for any firehawks due to having armor on them, then that just opens the flood gates to having icons for any creature that has armor on as well. I noticed when you removed it from here, ashbear quickly put it on the creature list and gave it it's own entry. I really don't want to see 1 creature getting 2 entries like that. So I'd say on the creature list and  on the unique list.  16:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Understood :)
 * 10:32, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Armoured fire elementals are mostly unique mobs each having their own name Volcanus, Ragepyre and Heatflayer, with the first being the "Eight" boss of the firelands during the Dragonwrath questchain, the only mob(that i know) that is not unique is Ancient Fire Lord(in fact all of them are called firelords so they might be the neutral heroes from warcraft 3, with the owl scouts appearing in this patch too) which is a unique quest mob from dailies that's said to be of high rank in the firelands what do you think of this situation same as alysrazor or not?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Like you just said... armored fire elementals, and haven't we said we're not going to continue making icons for creatures for different skins and/or because they're wearing armor. These mobs are not special, they are not bosses.


 * Here's the list of fire elementals (that I've seen) that use armor: Ancient Firelord, Blazefury (fire elemental), Flashfire, Hatespark, Heatflayer, Kar the Everburning, Ragepyre, Singeslayer, and Volcanus. Possibly more. 21:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If it matters, I believe it's just a reskin of the armored voidwalker model. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's that too but i think all of them carry the title of Firelord, with the owl scouts appearing in this patch too makes me think they are these guys Firelord (Warcraft III)--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The new firelords are just a reskin of the void lord model, but it is meant to invoke the armor of the firelord hero.-- 22:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah most probably trought there are so many named that is not worth making unique icons, and it's also not worth making a creature icon over it so i'll just drop it.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:52, 13 July 2011 (UTC)