Talk:Death knight organizations

Death knight image
Better looking death knight:
 * www.jeux-strategie.com/upload/warcraft/unitart-015.jpg
 * with rider: www.4gamer.net/specials/wc3/images/undead/Hero_Death.jpg

I find the riderless DK to be looking rather "childish" tbh CJ 08:43, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

The... Horns?
What's with the horns? It's supposed to be an undead horse but... why does it have horns? it's the same creature the Necromancer wears on its head and attaches to it's staff in WC3.

I said the same thing on the skeletal horse's web page. Mr.X8 00:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Article title should be Death knight
This article was incorrectly moved from Death knight to Death Knight. Articles names should be lower case unless they are proper nouns that are always capitalized, and the term death knight is not.--Aeleas 13:27, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Sorry, but wrong. http://www.battle.net/war3/undead/units/deathknight.shtml --Tinkerer 13:39, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

I think we should go with the more current sources, including the History of Warcraft (linked above) and WoW quests over the War3 unit description. Note that in this quest it is capitalized when used as a title, but not when used as a regular noun.--Aeleas 14:01, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Right.. So we should first know if this article refers to the kind of person or the group of people...? Urgh. They're kind of the same.. --Tinkerer 14:02, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

The article is about death knights, not about the use of Death Knight as a title.--Aeleas 14:07, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Okies, that's what it seems to me too after reading it a bit now. Moving it :-)--Tinkerer 14:16, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

WHy did you remove the kind Icon for Death and Ice school?

Death Knight Race
So are Death Knights still considered human, or are they Undead. It's something that I was thinking about. Just answer human or undead, and I'll be good. It is said that they are neither, but which one do you think it is closer to. ~Nicholas


 * According to the RPG they start out human, or whatever race, but are slowly converted into undead over time. So its a class rather than race. We know of at least one dwarf death knight :).Baggins


 * No... they, like Necromancers, Acolytes, and Gargoyles, are classified as UD, but this is only for game mechanic reasons. They willingly chose to serve the Lich King, meaning they are still living. When they die they do get turned into Liches, Shades and other forms of Undead, as a sort of reward. So you could have an UD death knight, but that would only be if they where killed and then revived by the Lich King (case in point: Kel'Thuzad). Saimdusan 00:45, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * EDIT* I just remembered that they aren't considered UD in WoW... but they are in Wc3. But Gargoyles are still considered UD... so... maybe a retcon? Most of the lore on the Warcraft III strategy guide and in the Warcraft III game manual (where I got the Gargoyle lore from) are outdated. Saimdusan 00:47, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * Like I said before, in the RPG they start out "alive" but slowly become "undead" over time. Its a process, caused by the soul stealing swords they are given, as well as mental corruption by the lich king. Also in WC3 practically everything was considered "undead" as far mechanics were concerned, spells like death coil would heal scourge units rather than "kill" them.Baggins 12:31, 14 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Some are alve, some are dead, but not all are willingly turned (like Sir Zeliek and The Ashbringer).-- 16:55, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * ya.Baggins 17:09, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Magical Field Question
Can anyone explain to me what "Death" is? It is a bit confusing, since I would think that Death and Physical are pretty much the same thing. --Spitfireleet 04:56, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Oh, you know - necromancy and other deathly evil magics. --

Naxxaramas
The death knight in the picture are not already in Naxxramas? N'Nanz 21:04, 25 November 2006

In-game old horde Death Knights
I know that Teron Gorefiend is lurking around somewhere in Outland, but are there any other in-game old Horde death knights in existence? If not, I'd like to remove the picture from the WoW model viewer program and replace it with Image:GorefiendWow.jpg. 19:17, 7 February 2007 (EST)
 * Don't see why not.--Sky 20:33, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Fate Following the Second War and the Draenor Expedition
This section should be expanded on with the expanded and new history given about death knights mentioned in Hellfire Peninsula, Shadowmoon Valley, and other locations. Info about the ghostly death knights that Talon has you go out and kill while wearing the goggles to see ghosts would be appreciated too. Anyone up to the task?Baggins 15:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Split proposal
Since the Warcraft II death knights, like Teron Gorefiend, are fundamentally different than the Warcraft III deathknights, like Arthas, I think it would make more sense to have separate articles for each. Other than sharing a name, they aren't particularly closely related.--Northshire 16:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * First off they were combined after a discussion on Wowwiki Irc among the administrators and other contributors to Wowwiki. One reason they have been combined is for the same reason, that hydras, chimaeras, and other things that share ths same name, share the same pages.


 * [[Image:Gorefiend.JPG|thumb|Also one might notice that Teron Gorefiend a Death Knight, unlike most second war death knights is not a "pile of bones", but has the pallid appearance of later death knights"]]Additonally, they have been combined because they are no longer just "Warcraft II Death Knights", they are currently a big part of the story of The Burning Crusade. Within TBC, there are hints that Gorefiend under Illidan may be making a new order of Death Knights from the fel orcs (and it doesn't sound like he's killing orcs to do it). Also despite some physical appearance differences, both old death knights and the new death knights share some of the same abilities (likely due to the fact that both death knight orders actually originate from Orcish knoweldge). Remember Ner'zhul was an orc, who made use of the original death knight order, and most likely used them as a template for his new death knight order. At which point he found out he didn't have to raise bones of dead knights, but could corrupt paladins and knights. Essentially stealing their souls and replacing them with his own. BTW, as far as I know, it seems the RPG also seems to link the two orders together by historical connection to the orcs as well.Baggins 17:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. It's hard to tell that decision was made as the result of discussion, or understand the reasons for it, if nothing is included in the edit summary or talk page.--Northshire 20:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Still, this article needs an overhaul in this case. Even though Arthas is probably the most famous Death Knight, the article box mentions Death Knights as members of the Horde and the Illidari. This just isn't right. Either the article should be split again or the article should be overdone in order to clarify on the differences between the several "types" of Death Knights. Tulon 16:35, 27 July 2007


 * If one gets too nitpicky the there are differences between RPG death knights, WoW deathknights and wc3 deathknights as far as skill loadouts and abilities. No this topic is more about the history and lore surrounding the orders of death knights not to list all their abilities and statistics.


 * As for infobox/factionbox the one in the article currently relates to the section its listed under, "horde/illidari" ones, no one has made one for the lower section yet. Why don't you do it.Baggins 15:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Edit: Nevermind, I added one...16:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Lore and class.
If this is going to be a class this should be made the class lore page at some point.-- 16:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Attumen the Huntsman
Shouldn't he be placed in the famous death knights? After having a closer look on him, I noticed the "typical" helm, like the one Lady Blaumeux use. --Myaku 21:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither Attumen's title, "Huntsman," nor his abilities suggest he is a death knight. -- AriochIV 18:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * We don't even know if he's connected to the dark riders, who may be death knights.Baggins 18:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Now the Headless Horseman is a Death Knight? This is pure speculation. -- AriochIV 02:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * There is the possible black riders connection, and the fact he shares his model with confirmed death knights in SMV (which is called death knight in the files, but when mounted it becomes demon knight).-- 02:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Point of note its ok to list something that's unknown, as long as its marked with "Presumed".Baggins 13:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Lord Soth?
I think that one of the death knight models looks a bit like Lord Soth (a Dungeons & Dragons character (also a death knight)). Am I the only one? --Xavius 17:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Undying
I remember reading the more kills a death knight has the more they undie. Does that mean Nerzuel has less control of them? (The last Alterac caling out)

Can you rephrase that to make any sense? I thought I understand some of it until "the last Alterac".  XAVIUS, the Satyr Lord  ( Praise  ·  Creations ) 11:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

''' An experienced death knight discovers how to leech the life force of those he slays in combat. For each living creature he kills, the death knight recovers some of his health. A death knight can become undying''' This is what I was reffering to. (And what does it mean to "undie") --The last Alterac 08:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, "The Last Alterac" is your user name, now I understand. To undie? Probably means "to become more undead". User:Xavius

By the time I made that post the button to sign was broken.--The last Alterac 08:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Xavius, the Satyr Lord 20:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

"and occasionally other races"
Where does it say "and occasionally other races" were used for Ner'zhul's Dks, and wha races? Orcs, dwarves, Elves?  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  22:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Dwarves of course.Baggins 13:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Damn, there are no Elven Death Knights running around. :(  Mr.X8  Talk Contribs  22:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Not until WotLK, at least.  XAVIUS, the Satyr Lord  ( Praise  ·  Creations ) 18:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Class Races?...
On the list of DK articles, this is apparently the article that talks about class races...which it doesn't? Um, any ideas on why this is?Aliron 17:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Orders of Death Knights?
I am somewhat confused when the article states that they are two distinct orders of Necromancers. Does this mean that Necromancy is not just a caster in robes raising the dead? If so, can you explain this as in the "classes that have these necromantic abilites".


 * 'Orders' is used to mean 'factions' or 'groups'. The two types of DKs are not the same.-- 23:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but supposedly that it could also apply to those that are not even Death Knights like Liches I guess. Just like how we have Priests and Paladins in sense of the light, where necromancy is the complete opposite.

Orginizations?
Should the article be changed to death knight orders instead? Even blizzard uses the term orders. 06:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * They have used the term organizations as well. However the main reason for the title was to mirror the system used for druid page spinoff pages. See, Druid organizations.

New Dark Riders of Draenor
Quote from the article: "Ghostriders, the spirits of death knights, still haunt the roads of Shadowmoon Valley. So far, the only physical death knight that has been spotted is the infamous Teron Gorefiend, who has joined forces with Illidan. As suggested by the Netherwing quest line, Teron Gorefiend has apparently created or is creating a new order of death knights from the ranks of the fel orcs. Whether these death knights are living or dead is unclear."

Sorry, which quest please? Khorne25 (talk) 18:15, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * The first sentence comes from Divination: Gorefiend's Truncheon, the second is inferred from his presence in the Black Temple, and the rest seems to be pure speculation. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:48, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose, but the above quoted "Netherwing". I dont recall any mention of Gorefiend or Death Knights in any of the Netherwing quests.
 * There isn't, which is why I'm pretty sure it's either wishful thinking or the misremembering the Divination quests. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:07, April 14, 2010 (UTC)