Talk:Earthcaller Franzahl

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Where does it say that he is a high elf? since ingame he have green glowing eyes. TherasTaneel (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Um... his eyes are blue. Look at the model.--Blayaden (talk) 19:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have the model viewer on this computer, so I don't know what his actual model is like. But assuming that picture is of Franzahl and not just any random elf, he's definitely got green eyes.


 * The eyes look greenish, because high elves in-game have the green glow used by blood elves. This is the case for all elves based off the blood elf model in-game. (Dark Ranger's have the same problem)  If you go close up on his face, you'll see that he has blue eyes, but the green glow makes it look turquoise further away: or green from a distance.  Look at other male high elf pages and you'll see what I mean. (Female high elves don't have it as bad because their eyes are bigger (and arguably bluer), and the glow doesn't effect it as much)  The environment also has a lot to do with it as well.


 * I wish blizzard would fix this...its the cause of controversy on many other high elf pages. If you want to see his model for yourself, check out his Wowhead page. The "View in 3D" tab activates a nice built-in model viewer that solves the problem.


 * Another point is that he had a high elf model pre-BC, and he has still has the high elf voice quotes.--Blayaden (talk) 19:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean now. It's odd though that the glow isn't there on the model, but it is in-game.


 * Because of controversy started by a few willful users who feel that every high elf in the game should be pointed out to not be a blood elf on minimal evidence.-- 02:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Eh... Sometimes it can be hard to tell. Like with Gilthares Firebough and Astromancer Darnarian, it can be confusing at times. (Firebough because of his pre-bc BE model and red clothes, and Darnarian because he has a high elf voice but blood elf quotes- we STILL don't know how to categorize him!) Removal of the green glow (and perhaps unique quotes- as opposed to night elf quotes) might make things clearer.  Oh, well.  At least blizzard acknowledges their existence...--Blayaden (talk) 17:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Age?

 * "I have not heard that word uttered from the mouth of a mortal in decades."

That doesn't seem to be standard to adresse the "lesser races" that way for an elf, unless being abit rude? As I see it there are several options:
 * 1) It's there to underline he's an elf.
 * 2) He is just plain rude.
 * 3) He's not just a common high elf, but somehow didn't loose his immortality when the world tree went ablaze.
 * - TherasTaneel (talk) 12:48, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * There are many, MANY npc's I guess you could call "rude" in the game... as for his mortality, some High Elves have lived for several thousand years... not quite immortal, but still very long lived. I admit, its somewhat unusual, but at the moment, but there really isn't much else to go on.  Many high elves/blood elves are pretty haughty and have a tendency to look down on "lesser races".--Blayaden (talk) 13:20, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * "The life span of high elves is several hundred years. They reach adulthood at 110 years, a "venerable" age at roughly 350 years, and most dying of old age at approximately 263 years. A few may reach "venerable" age at roughly 350 years with maximum lifespan between 354 and 390 years, " But,...I guess you're right. TherasTaneel (talk) 13:24, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to rub things in, but both the high elf page and Life spans page mention that occasionally high/blood elves can live several thousands of years. Anasterian Sunstrider and Braelyn Firehand are two that I can think of off-hand. --Blayaden (talk) 20:22, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, but doesn't occasionally hint it's exceptions? e.g. Fandral Staghelm is said to be "born about a thousand years after the Sundering (making him over 9,000 years old)" although the lifespan mentions a maximum lifespan is 705-1200 (or up to 2000). Then there is his statement (see top). Either he is overrun by elves asking him about Elementium or he thinks decades is a long time, isn't it strange when/if he have seveal thousand years as a lifespan? TherasTaneel (talk) 20:51, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's very difficult to use night elves as an example for lifespans, because from the time of the Sundering to the end of the Third War, they were immortal and did not age after reaching adulthood. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:15, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was an example of an inconsistency not lifespan, as clearly he's not a night elf. Although the example would have been somewhat of an anachronism anyway, doesn't really matter, as it's not what's debated. TherasTaneel (talk) 21:37, March 16, 2010 (UTC)