Talk:Dar'Khan Drathir

Beta quest
look at this.. --N'Nanz 11:49, 29 October 2006
 * Wowah. Congrats to Blizzard for that :o --Tinkerer 06:54, 29 October 2006 (EST)

Original founder?
Somehow I believe that line needs work, seeing that highelves apparently don't get that old. If Dar'K was one of the elves that came across the ocean with Dath'Remar that would make him a good more than 10.000 years old. I'd rather say he was one of the leading magi of the recent times.--Maibe 19:00, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Yes, you're probably right. The manga does show him along with several others at what appears to be an early Sunwell (located in a clearing in the forest), and taking part in the construction of the kingdom, though this must have been much more recent, unless he had some unusually long lifespan.


 * I just think it's just because Knaak (again) appears to have no real idea of the facts...Reading the manwha one gets to wonder if knaak ever played WC3, hence if the artist got any other references than the WoW-Artbook...--Maibe 18:00, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
 * And you seem to forget that everything that is written under the Warcraft name goes through Metzen first. Either he forgot, or he thought it was a nice change, or he didn't see it. Blaming the author in this case is the wrong thing to do. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:03, 18 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Not in Knaak's case...compare him with the other author's (okay...-cycle of hatred- is the worst WoWBook by far) and you'll see more retcons and twisting of facts just so he can explain something he thinks nice in the story than anywhere else. But sadly, I think it's become common for Blizzard to retcon the hell out of a fact just so they have an excuse for another dungeon...Unless, like in this case, the conspiracy-theory about Sylvanas, Varimathras, the Scarlets and the legion are correct. The bloodelves and the events in Sunwell-Trilogy (as we think we know them to have happened now) would actually fit more than perfectly...without, and that's important, adjusting the 'facts' to the theory.--Maibe 06:54, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

May I note that it has never officially been stated that high elves would not have been immortal before the loss of the Sunwell. Tichondrius even said; "Beware, it is a pool of mystic energies from which the elves draw their immortal powers. They will not give it up easily."

What the RPGs say is about CURRENT high elves. Although the RPGs or the official Warcraft Encyclopedia do not say that high elves would have been, I dare to say that the possibility cannot be discounted. One might ask "Isn't it strange that the Encyclopedia or the RPGs would not mention such thing?". I do not think so, Blizzard and the RPG writers could very well be a bit absent minded (as they have shown in several cases).

On the other hand, it is possible that the high elves were intended to be immortal at the time Warcraft III was made (think about Tichondrius' words, although one cannot be entirely sure what he meant with "immortals powers") but was later retconned, then the idea was brought back (either purposely or by mistake) in Sunwell Trilogy when they were making Dar'Khan's story.

Of course, this is speculation, and I am not even remotely implying that this view of mine would be a fact. Regards, --Theron the Just 20:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That or it could be just old fashioned anti-aging magic like what Aegwyn used. I wouldn't put that past him. Meneldir 17:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Or perhaps he already was undead... Think Palpatine in Star Wars, he managed to conceal his ravaged sith looks (that's the explanation taht makes most sense to me) AND dark powers to the in-universe counterpart of the Silver Hand. Dar'Khan could reasonably do the same. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 08:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Major-League Contradiction!
I'm a tad confused here. Even though I've killed Dar'Khan a grand total of four times for this quest (though a few other times helping guys out - and twice just for fun!), I still don't understand how he's here, undead or not. In Ghostlands, he was completely vaporized by Anveena; in The Well of Eternity, it was implied that not even the Scourge could raise undead from ashes. So how did the Lich King resurrect him? I think this goes along with the "How does Sylvanas have a body?" argument, but I'll leave that for you to decide. --Joshmaul 06:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC) How I see it, as Kel'Thuzad is a necromancer, and ressurected via the Sunwell - he was able to negate Aveena's abilities of the sunwell, she after all knew very little of her strength or how to wield it. Kel'Thuzad is a master at all fields of arcane, and probably had the knowledge to raise even a warrior out of ash. Of course this is mere speculation, and trying my hardest to connect the dots. --FieryAxel
 * Or maybe Dark'Khan just had his skin roasted off rather than being completely vaporized. -- Dark T Zeratul 01:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps this is not the original body. It may be that Drathir's spirit, bound to serve the Lich King, was given a new undead body.  Who knows.  Hopefully Blizzard will deign to give us an answer, but I doubt it. Meneldir

A long time ago, well before the book was released, Amazon had a complete summary up on their preorder page, which seemed to be written rather professionally. It stated that when Dar'khan was trying to absorb the power of the Sunwell at the end, he had already become "more lich than living being" (paraphrased). Now, as I recall, liches can pretty well be revived from anything, so long as their soul remains intact. *Shrug* Suzaku 05:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Not their soul, their phylactery. Their phylactery has to remain intact. As for resurrection there is also true resurrection in rpg lore, and remains aren't needed, but it doesn't work on resurrect someone into undeath.Baggins 06:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, first off, a phylactery is simply a container to store a lich's soul, in order to keep them grounded to the physical world, so that's sort of splitting hairs. So long as their soul remains anchored to the material world, they cannot be killed, even if their physical body is destroyed.
 * In volume 1, Dar'khan gets his finger sliced off, which disintegrates, and he later appears with his finger intact. A short while later, while regenerating his body from being burned, he also comments that he is, "a servant of the Lich King," and is, "more than mortal." They heroes then believe that they have killed him, but at the end of volume 2 he returns apparantly unharmed, stating that he was, "not quite" dead, and doesn't answer Anveena when she asks how it's possible.
 * If Dar'khan was "already more lich than living being", it seems most likely that his soul had probably already been transferred to a phylactery of some sort, thus making the complete vaporization of his body a non-issue, along with his earlier regenerations. Despite having his soul placed in a phylactery, it doesn't look like he underwent the standard ritual to become a "lich", but rather became some sort of half-lich. Suzaku 10:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Lichling?Cos he still looks alive in the mangaUser:Irrilea

Odd Tidbit of Trivia
His gear looks exactly like the Robes and Belt of Arugal, the Coldstone Slippers, and the Staff of Balzaphon. (Those last two items, however, would be far out of his league.) —Qit el-Remel 10:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

About the ressurection
Somehow I'm positive that Arthas is able to bring his minions back, if he wants, even if there's no physical body left. I mean: Just look at Sylvanas...where did she get her body from in TFT? She was a banshee and suddenly she had two legt and a solid body again. I think we can assume Arthas resurrected dar'khan from scratch...--Maibe 18:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

He was probably ressurected in a manner similar to Kel'thuzad- using the Sunwell or something like that -VariDaDreadlord 19:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually I think its kind of Meneldir said. The Lich King most probably sent his minions, or maybe through Kel'Thuzad(since the proximity of the Eastern Plaguelands) to capture the body of a high or blood elf and placed Dar'Khan soul within it sending the other poor sods soul to the Nether.User:Irrilea

Darkfallen
I don't know much about these "Darkfallen", but they are using both the elven model and the same skin tone as Dar'Khan, and they're undead. Perhaps Blizzard will (or has already) retcon Dar'Khan (well, not retcon, really, since It's unclear what he is now) as a Darkfallen? Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 08:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

he's dead elf. deal with that fact. retcon is for loreraping, why would they do that for minor wow character Noobi666 (talk) 08:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you directing the comment towards Xavius or Blizzard?    Rolandius [[Image:Paladin.gif|25x25px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 09:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ignoring the troll, the San'layn are described as renegade elven princes, a description that probably fits Dar'Khan as well... Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 14:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Where does it say that Dar'Khan was an elf prince? 14:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It depends on what they mean exactly with "prince". In one sense, Kael'thas was the only high elf prince, but all the Darkfallen can't be sons of Anasterian. It most likely refers to nobles of high stature. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In Russia and in Japan, you had princes that were not directly connected to the imperial families (i.e. they weren't potential heirs), but were rather cousins or related by marriage or something to that effect. Maybe this is something similar...or maybe they bought their noble titles (or like Kael'thas and Arthas, simply "assumed" them). It's been done before. --Joshmaul (talk) 23:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * "Prince" can and has been used as a generic term to mean a high-ranking individual with autocratic responsibilities (ie, Machiavelli's work). Most of the rulers of Renaissance Europe referred to themselves as princes, even though they were actually dukes, kings, queens, or emperors. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 00:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This may be a good time to bring up that the Highborne had princes too.-- 00:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The fact is that not every darkfallen is a prince, only four of the few named darkfallen have that title. The question is should Dar'Khan Drathir be a (non prince) darkfallen? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't think so. In my opinion he was a normal high elf sworn to the Scourge who died during the happenings of The Sunwell Trilogy and was revived by the Scourge. So he is a normal undead. As far as I know darkfallen are creatures who went to the dark side and didn't die and were revived. --Cyrdaz (talk) 20:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, where is that stated? I'm not doubting you, I'm just asking. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]]  Xavius, the Satyr Lord  (praise) (guestbook) (fanfic) 21:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think he's more of a death-battlemage (what you get when crossing deathknights with mages, obviously) as 'normal' undeads are ghouls etc. Dar'khan on the other hand appears to haven been one of the higher ranking members of the scourge until he pissed arthas off at the end of sunwell trilogy. And, please folks, STOP, for sanity's sake, STOP basing a theory on the use of models Dx Just because this and that model look familiar to each other does NOT mean the characters are of the same kind. I mean, sylvanas also has a unique skinned nightelf-model even after BC came out, yet she is still a high-/bloodelf. She did NOT turn nightelf, neither did she take over a nightelf's body as she was an undead highelf as dark ranger in TFT. So please stop basing theories on models.--Maibe (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Not just the model, I'm basing it on the other evidence, too. It's pretty obvious Sylvanas isn't a night elf. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]] Xavius, the Satyr Lord  17:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Prisoner?
Could he be the high elf prisoner Arthas spoke to in the beginning of the assault of Quel'thalas in warcraft3?--Gurluas (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, they are very different. In fact, page 217 of Arthas: Rise of the Lich King specifically says he is not.-- 22:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Darkfallen?
How is he a Darkfallen? Wouldn't he be an undead elf? (Hallowseve15 (talk) 19:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC))