Talk:Blue dragonflight

Insanity
Are they all insane now that maygalos cracked?


 * make sure you sign your posts. and apparently. It seems they did a 180. last we heard Malygos was getting more and more sane, his flight was growing. the Blues were a little ecentric but not insane, but it seems blizz has decided to push em back the other way and send em over the edge.Warthok 21:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I could be an isolated faction directly involved with Malygos's insanity, with only those in regular contact with him being affected. Or, they could just be following his orders and privately disagree. They could even be geased. -_ Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 22:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

It sucks that the Blue Dragonflight are labelled as "insane" and that we are being defended by the Red Dragonflight, were these Blizzard's exact words? I liked the moral ambiguity of killing the good guys in order to preserve our use of magic. What do you think? --Raze 02:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I like it better this way. Besides, only Malygos is really insane. No word on any other blues. Not that it matters, as this isn't a forum. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As I mentioned also on Talk:Malygos - From the lore panel at BlizzCon, it appears that Malygos had become affected by the physiology of the Netherwing flight, which will be present at Northrend. Rather than becoming more insane, Malygos has effectively become *less* insane - he basically returns to sanity, notices for the first time that the world around him is crawling with little mages recklessly tossing magic every which way, and declares war on the infidels. -- 16:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sane enough to do something, insane enough to do the wrong thing. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 18:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well put :) -- 22:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * AmenScorpx3 20:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats pretty much what I've been hearing and is probably exactly what it is.

Ill kill them if they try to take my magic but then again I just love killing things--Vrall 22:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say they've gone all the way through sane and out the other side. Because Malygos has got a point that magic causes most of the problems of the world from the War of the Ancients to the destruction of Draenor. What he's doing is thinking extremely far into the future, since even if nearly all life on Azeroth is destroyed by the instabilities caused eventually it could rise again, but next time there would be no magic. Jormungand01 (talk) 13:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

White Dragon
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but I noticed what seems to be a white dragon in the Wrath of the Lich King trailer, at around 2:34. It has a white face, arms and wings, yet it also has blue talons, and back. Considering the fact it's surrounded by what might be the Vrykul, it's possibly an undead. Don't know if anybody cares, just thought it was worth a note. Felhunger 06:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely strange coloring. Perhaps it is a result of this sane-madness? --Sky (t · c · w) 06:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * When you compare it to the drake in the article, it looks like the colors have been reversed. Felhunger 06:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Theyve been in the model viewer for such a long time. makes me wonder if they had the model first and only recently came up with a story for them or that could use them. they are called proto-drakes in Utgarde Keep.Warthok 09:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * How do you know they're called that? Felhunger 04:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * watched one of the gameplay videos from blizzcon and looked very carefully. and since then i found a website that described Utgarde keep. reported the same thing. proto-drakes and proto-eggsWarthok 04:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Searched through Model Viewer, found drakonids and dragonspawn with the color set of white, with similer coloring as the drake. Felhunger 06:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Protodragons are with the Vrykul but I have not read/seen where they came from... -- 23:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There were originally many different dragonflights and it seems we are starting to see some of the other flights such as the Infinite Dragonflight in BC(and WotLK). The Proto Dragons like the Vrykul were probably just thought lost until recently. Leviathon 23:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The titans might of made the other dragon flights out of them and the infinite dragon flight might of been the first creation of the bronze flight gone wrong similar to troggs. the proto dragons might of been the first attempt at creating dragons or the proto and infinite flights might of just always been there. but well find out in wotlk and then a year or two latter blizzard will retcon it in some way--Vrall 22:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Except the titans didnt create the dragons. The five flights already existed prior to the tians. One valid theory however is that the five flights evolved naturally from the proto dragons, long before the titans came to azeroth. 01:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Two theories could be made here. 1) The five flights evolved naturally from the proto dragons. 2) After being imbued with the power of the Titans, several groups of dragons changed color.    Rolandius [[Image:Wc3Knight.gif|16x16px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 03:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The dragons are already described as being their respective colors when the titans gave them their powers. 03:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh okay. Well the dragons also said they were around at the dawn of time. Not much time for them to evolve from proto dragons I think.    Rolandius [[Image:Wc3Knight.gif|16x16px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 03:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think thats the most plausible theory. the thing that gives me pause though (and kinda make me wish blizz might throw in a small retcon and prove your second theory true) is that Alexstrsza and Ysera are described as sisters, and the language thats used makes it sound as if they are really sisters not just "sisters" (like grom and thrall are "brothers"). 03:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * One other thing i just remebered. Its been said there was once many color dragonflights, etc... considering the titans only empowered the five it would seem the color can't have anything to do with the empowerment so to speak. The Ysera Alex thing still bugs me though. 03:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes that is true what you said. They are sisters, but for some reason Blizzard or authors made them different colors. I also have seen it mentioned like you said that there were "many colors" of dragonflight, and I think I even read somewhere that there were as "many colors" of dragonflight as "colors of the rainbow".LOL So they should retcon a thing or two.    Rolandius [[Image:Wc3Knight.gif|16x16px]] ( talk  -  contr ) 04:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

What They Believe In...
In the end, I believe that the Blues are not insane as a flight, they are simply doing what they, or rather Malygos, believes to be the right thing for Azeroth, much of this is reflected by boss quotes of the dragonkin, most notably would be Mage-Lord Urom who says things like "If only you understood!", "Unfortunate, but necessary!", and "Everything I've done... has been for Azeroth..." which shows that they aren't really 'insane' just merely following the course of action that Malygos believes in necessary to save Azeroth from itself.--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 04:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Look, Blue Dragonflight is not insane, nor Malygos is. From what Raelorasz says, we can assume that the magic was really threatening Azeroth, but simply Malygos choose to act by his own mind (after all, that is his domain). Also, remember, that Malygos isn't in meaning to kill ALL spellcasters, just look at the Mage-Hunters or when he asks for the players to serve him. He just does not want people to use freely magic, as it is destroying the world (one of his last memories, after all, is about Highborne destroing half world and now the Sunwell almost took the Legion in Azeroth again). Malygos Helper (talk) 11:19, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Sindragosa?
I don't know what happened to the article, but suddenly it was deleted. I didn't even find it in the changes. But the thing I want to say is: She's very likely the frost wyrm in the Wotlk cinematic and due to her name I estimate her once been one of the blue dragonflight and then resurrected by the lich king himself. To underline my speculations I refer to | this article on "mmo-champion.com" ||Cyrdaz (talk) 17:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The article in question was removed under WP:DNP. The "-gosa" suffix is particular to the Blue flight, so that's practically guaranteed. I would prefer it if you didn't start speculating about who's who in the cinematics (even if you're right), those kinds of discussions tend to get very bloody very quickly. -- Ragestorm  (talk &middot; contr) 18:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

With Malygos dead...
Does that kill off the dragonflight or does one of his many children take over as Lord of Magic?--TheUltimate (talk) 14:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly the latter. I don't know where people keep getting the idea that killing an Aspect will automatically destroy either their domain or their flight. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wasn't sure cause I know while he has quite a few children left, I always figured it was the Aspect that made most of the dragonflight.--TheUltimate (talk) 00:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

"Immune to Corruption"? NOT!
The page states that the Blue Dragonflight is immune to magical or demonic corruption, and yet in the Sunwell Plateau, Kalecgos is taken over, at least in part, by a Demon, and we have to help him defeat it. ~My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine 13:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Immune to Corruption? Actualy yes. Kalecgos is being CONTROLED by a demon, not corrupted. Corruption is failure to throw off arcane magic's addiction. Demonic (fel) magic IS a type of arcane magic. But blue dragons are immune to the addictive side effects of using arcane magic. The case here isn't an issue of corruption, just one of mind control. Kalecgos is a slave to a demon using demonic magic, not a slave to his own (nonexistant) use of demonic magic i.e. corruption. Hope that clears it up. 14:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I feel bad for the blue Dragonflight, With all that has happened to them i think Malygos reacts normal to it

I feel bad too, but isnt being raised from the dead (Sapphiron) an form of corruption?Well i mean if they ARE immune to demonic magic they should be immune to dark magic (necromancy) as well shouldnt they?(even after death) User:Eity 21:32 11/11/2008
 * They aren't immune to fel magic, nor are they immune to corruption. I believe it's been stated before, but what they are immune to is the corrupting effects of magic USE. In other words, they do not suffer any consequences from the use or overuse of arcane magic, whereas the mortal races do (for an example of this kind of corruption, see the Highborne and Blood Elves). -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Alignment in Wrath of the Lich King
Someone earlier today said that the Blues were "lawful evil" as of WotLK. I didn't agree with this, so I reverted it, but I just wanted to hear the reasoning behind that change.

If anything I think they should be "chaotic good" or "chaotic neutral". Their motives for declaring war on all magic-users are in fact good, because if they just let magic carry on as it is then it could easily result in a catastrophe. Especially seeing as Azeroth has had several near escapes in recent years. But their willingness to go against the Wyrmrest Accord, causing death and destruction to all who oppose them, is a clear sign of chaos.

11:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The members of the blue dragonflight loyal to Malygos could easily be lawful neutral or lawful evil, they're examples of the "well intentioned extremist" / "knight templar" / "lawful stupid" villain archetype, like Algalon the Observer before he is defeated. Malygos himself has probably crossed too many lines to not be evil in D&D terms. Maybe we could use replace "usually lawful neutral" with "usually lawful neutral as of Shadows & Light". -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:02, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Nexus Drakes and Blue Dragons
I have noted that,while the drakes gets changed by the Nexus,the mature dragons does not.Someone of you knows why?Maybe the Blue Dragons have so high magical immunity to resist even the Nexus? And,does the Nexus Drakes become stronger than normal?--Malygos Helper (talk) 12:20, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The younger ones are the ones changing, cause they are newly hatched. The arcane energies are effecting the eggs that are being placed at the base of the Nexus. 04:23, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

If that is true, what about Malygos? he seems to be changed, too. And, also, the drakes and the dragonspawns are affected, while mage-hunters are not. Werent, after all, the dragons, immune to arcane corruption? Or, after these events, we can assume that blue dragons are actually empowered by the "corruption"?Malygos Helper (talk) 11:37, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Corruption as in addiction, nothing has changed there. Malygos we have no reason to believe looked differently before, it's assuming too much to compare a wow model to a piece of concept art (see alexstrasza). And those drakes are hatchlings, their name and the quest (later daily) in coldarra makes that clear. Same rules don't have to apply to Dragonspawn, especialy considering their origins. I think what Coobra says holds true. 15:11, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not to offend you guys, but, still, the problem remains: blue dragonspawns should not change, atleast not them all, they cannot be all 1-2 years old. And they're still part of the Blue Flight. Same with the blue drakes that attack the wyrmrest temple: i doubt they would be young drakes. I'm not sure if it has any relevance, but i think it should noticed.Malygos Helper (talk) 10:43, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not to offend you but you haven't given any reasons why it can't be so. I'm not saying it must be true, i'm just saying Coobra's theory holds up so far. Dragonspawn we know can take ages to evolve, or it can be almost instantenous (see cultist in blade edge and drakonids on Netherwing Ledge) and we know Malygos has recently ganed a plethora of mortal followers. And theres no reason the drakes can't be young ones. Furthermore that entire explaination i just gave, while valid, is entirely unessesary because the passages being discussed have nothing to do with what is currently going on with the blue flight. They are about arcane corruption, magical addiction, the kind demons pray upon. A completely unrelated topic in which nothing has changed with any of the recent events, and which the wording in the article is very explicit about and uneeding of any changes.


 * Now if you wanted to add information about this new augmentation the younger (or whatever) members of the flight are going through, that would be fine, but it wouldn't go under the corruption section, nor would it change any of the passages, and probably would belong in the current activities section under WotLK. 16:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Heir to the Flight?
So I've been wondering who people think the heir to the blue dragonflight is/was, given Malygos' demise? A logical assumption would be Arygos, as he's the Aspect's son, after all. But the problem comes in his lacking presence in the Wrath of the Lich King expansion. Given that he isn't seen, we can't determine if he followed in his father's footsteps, under his command, fighting against Azeroth's magic; the Kirin Tor and the Reds. Or whether he held a similar stance to Kalecgos.

Another possibility is Tyrygosa, given that there's speculation that she could possibly be the daughter of the Aspect of Magic. But once more, we're left unknown with her stance in the Nexus War. I assume more will be revealed in the Dragons of Outland manga, as to whether she continued helping Malygos or not.

Finally, we have Kalecgos. There's quite a lot to support him as a possibility. Firstly, other than Malygos himself, Kalec is probably the most prominent blue dragon in lore. Secondly, he's betrothed to Tyrygosa (potentially the daughter of Malygos), which leaves a chance of the pair eventually getting together (dragons with dragons, instead of dragons humping "energy" in physical form; crazy notion, I know). And finally, he appears to have opposed the Nexus War, meaning he maintains an allegiance to the Wyrmrest Accord. Since the Quel'Delar chain has been released with Icecrown Citadel, Kalec can be found at the top tier of Wyrmrest Temple, as an ambassador to the blue flight. That suggest one of three things: 1) He's simply the leader of the blue dragons/dragonkin previously seen guarding the Temple, and siding with the Accord. 2) He's the Ambassador of the Blue Dragonflight looking to renew ties with the Accord, after their Aspect's fall, potentially with someone else (Arygos/Tyrygosa?) having taken command. 3) He is, himself, the new leader of the Blue Dragonflight. If this is so, it's still a mystery as to whether of not that grants him the status of "Aspect", or if the Titans' magic is required, or if the other dragons themselves can bless him.

And I'm curious, is there any mention of the blue flight at all, in Stormrage? Maybe that would help answer this.--MyrionStarblade (talk) 18:57, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't believe there is, but it doesn't really surprise me either; the blue dragonflight doesn't really have anything to do with the plot. The green dragonflight, however, is featured heavily. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:08, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Forum:Who leads Malygos's brood now?. 19:47, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, Coobra, I'll head there now. I thought Kalec's appearance might be relevant to ask here.--MyrionStarblade (talk) 23:55, March 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll point it out here as we're discussing about their (blue flight) heir. Why has Kalecgos been said to be the new Aspect in the box while there should have been no one (cataclysm), and Malygos (former)? It should be noted that the young and arrogant Kalec, as of now, is not the blue flight Aspect. And while he will become one, it could happen even in a future expansion from what we know. I think the editor misunderstood the timeline, as when Metzen claimed Kalec to be the next heir doesn't mean he to be leading the flight already. We're not led by Nozdormu, so this is a big mistake.

Malygos Helper (talk) 18:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Metzen indicated that he would become the new Aspect "just in time" to battle Deathwing, so we know it will happen in Cataclysm. But you're right, as of right now, there is not currently a Blue Aspect. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, an interesting revelation, yours is. Would be nice if more than one aspect will have an involvement in the Deathwing encounter.
 * He suggested that all of them would be involved in the encounter (possibly with Thrall "filling in" for the Aspect of Earth, though he was deliberately vague on that point). -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)