Talk:Aiden Perenolde

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Lands of Conflict takes place several years before World of Warcraft chronologically. Infact the book is set chronogically before the last 3-4 rpg books as stated in the introductions in each subsequent book. When Lands of Conflict discusses Aiden, it is referring to Alidan's father, not to Alidan. No refrence to his son is made, and only refrence is to Aiden himself, including his actions during the 2nd war. Things have changed in the years that have passed from the time of "Lands of Conflict" and later books.Baggins 19:57, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Can you tell me the source of the image please? :) --Vorbis 19:27, 1 Dec 2006 (GMT)


 * Warcraft II manual, sitting at a table. From the top, standing are the three main leaders of the alliance, Trollbane, Terenas, and Lothar. Next is an unnamed dwarf representing Khaz Modan, and Daelin Proudmoore is sitting across from him.


 * Next to the dwarf is a man marked with the letter "G", Greymane, or Gilneas. Across from him is a High Elf representing Quel'Thalas. Last on the table is a mage like person, either Alonsus Faol, or a member of Kirin Tore representing Dalaran. Finally we come to that picture, as he is the last person unaccounted for, he's is likely Aiden.Baggins 14:36, 1 December 2006 (EST)


 * "From the top, standing are the three main leaders of the alliance, Trollbane...." It has never been stated that the man is Thoras Trollbane. My opinion is that the man is representant of Stromgarde, however.


 * "Next to the dwarf is a man marked with the letter "G", Greymane, or Gilneas." Indeed, the symbol looks like G if you observe it carefully.


 * "either Alonsus Faol, or a member of Kirin Tore representing Dalaran." I see no reason to belive that the man would be Alonsus Faol.


 * "Finally we come to that picture, as he is the last person unaccounted for, he's is likely Aiden." My opinion is that he is representant of Alterac, but that doesn't mean that he is Aiden Perenolde.


 * I suggest that this discussion is continued here http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Alliance_of_Lordaeron --User:Theron the Just 21:30, 1 December 2006 (EST)

On the contrary we can't tell that it isn't Aiden, either. It is also possible that the person we assumed was "Daelin Proudmoore" could just be another representive from Kul Tiras if we go by your logic for the other two characters. IIRC he looks quite a bit like the ship captains in artwork and box cover for warcraft II, and later sources.

As for only reason I thought that man could Alonsus Faol if its not a Kirin Tor(which is a better choice IMO) is because Alonsus Faol is mentioned heavily on that same page as being one of founders of the AllianceBaggins 21:43, 1 December 2006 (EST)

Can I get a citation on the 'later sources' mentioned in the picture speculation? --Vorbis 26:33, 7 Dec 2006 (GMT)


 * Ya its been edited for clarity, and refrences have been made. Several sources say that it was the leaders who met at that council and not just "representives". "Lothar met with the leaders of the seven nations of Lordaeron...The Alliance of Lordaeron was formed.", for example.


 * Or an example from the Alliance Player's Guide;


 * "King Terenas of Lordaeron calls the other human kings together to discuss the Horde and Stormwind."


 * Another example, in the in-game book, The Alliance of Lordaeron, it says,


 * "Convinced that the Horde would overcome all of humanity if left unchecked, the leaders of the seven human nations met and agreed to unite in what would become known as the Alliance of Lordaeron." Baggins 15:06, 7 December 2006 (EST)
 * Also you might have overlooked it previously, I know I did, but how about the quote from the manual itself;

"Recounting terrible tales of destruction and carnage..., the Steward Lord Anduin Lothar convinced the sovereign of Lordaeron to unite themselves against the great threat. Despite much quereling and debate, the lords aquiesced to Lothar and Terenas, and agreed to unite their armies under the general command of Lothar himself."


 * Um... so is that picture actually Aiden Perenolde then, and where does it state that it is? --

Based on discriptions and names of characters said to be at the meetings as established in Tides of Darkness.Baggins 17:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

King of Alterac
Just thought I'd bring up an old discussion, and point out that Day of the Dragon calls Alterac a kingdom and calls the ruler of Alterac a king as well. King Terenas was going to make Lord Prestor the new king of Alterac. So this is clearly not an rpg only phenomena and goes back to various sources of lore.Baggins 18:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Aiden wasn't really a king in the true sense of the word. Any man who would prefer to use the title "Lord -" rather than "King -" must therefore likely be bound by some higher power (i.e. the King of Lordaeron). It seems to be a bit of a skewed feudal system, similar in some ways to the Holy Roman Empire (if you know what I mean - if you don't then don't worry; its not important enough to elaborate on :/ ).
 * The King of Lorderon has the majority of the power but has no right to call himself an emperor (which he wouldn't technically be anyway); but the King of Alterac, whilst a king within his own lands, is still answerable to the throne which gave him the land in the first place. In essence, it's just a pointless decorative title he can't really use.
 * Well, that's my effort at making conversation from a closed statement. ;D --

Actually the way DotD implies it seems that they could use the term King if they wanted to, Terenas appears to call them kings and rulers as well. Interesting enough, the book also discusses other minor "kingdoms" as well, like the "Island Kingdom Tol Barad". There is also mention in the book that these kingdoms are actually normally sovereign nations, they only joined up with the Kingdom of Lordaeron for the sake of the Alliance of Lordaeron to stop the invading orcs. This fact is rather important, as Terenas assumes that Lord Prestor came from some minor kingdom in the mountains in northern Lordaeron (continent) that had been destroyed by the invaders. The book discusses after he was forced to send in forces to dethrone the King of Alterac (upon the suggestion of Prestor), the other rulers then wanted to fight over who could take over Alterac as their own, with some talk of splitting it between Stromgarde and Gilneas to appease both nations who wanted it for their own, or the kingdom of Lordaeron taking it over. This lead to the decision of handing it over to Prestor and making him the new king (as he supposedy could trace his blood lines to the nation).

The rpg has also referenced the fact that they are "kings" in several sourcebooks as well, Lands of Conflict and Alliance Player's Guide to name a couple. Stranglely though authors tend to switch "lord" and "king" and "kingdoms" and "nations" many occasions, there are few examples of Terenas being called "Lord Terenas" in published works as well, IIRC.Baggins 23:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Method to the Madness?
Now, this is just a personal idea of mine, but for some reason i've got this idea that maybe Aiden Perenolde joined forces with the Horde for more reasons than to just save his skin. I mean, what if the guy was really getting close enough to the Horde to destabilize them from within? There's no official lore proving this, but to think that the guy would just up and join the Horde so readily is kind of suspicious to me.[User:JPlowman2|JPlowman2]] 7:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I refer you to the novelization of Tides of Darkness. Rosenberg, acting under close collaboration with CDev and Metzen, leaves little doubt as to Aiden's motivations. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 20:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but the problem is that novel (according to the page that you are refferring to in Wowwiki) doesn't even mention Aiden's motivations.
 * It doesn't matter. It's a novel, not a historical document. We don't need to question whether or not the information is correct or unbiased, because the sheer fact that it was written, in multiple sources, by both Blizzard approved sources and by Blizzard themselves means that it's true as written. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:24, January 7, 2010 (UTC)