Talk:Ragnaros

Sons of Ragnaros
Just some notes, would it be possible to keep some of the Sons banished during the second part of the fight.? and do they die when ragnaros dies ? CJ 07:36, 27 Feb 2006 (EST)

Someone might want to correct the picture of the Firelord from Warcraft III; it's a picture of Ragnoros's uper torso. And about the Sons, I'm not sure about banishing, but I do know that Ragnoros keeps summoning them periodiaccly.

Sons can be banished, but they are considered "dead" by Ragnaros... keep in mind, that Ragnaros emerges again, after either all sons are dead/banished or after 90 seconds toying around with the sons (whatever happens first). I don't think anyone ever did banish the sons until Ragnaros dies - you'll need your full concentration on Raggi and mana user need mana, where the sons have a manaburn aura - if a son breaks free and does not gets banished immediatly, it will go for the healer and burn them quickly.--Thundor 09:48, 26 April 2006 (EDT)

Addition: I've never heard of any "endurance fight" on Ragnaros.. no one I know has ever survived a second sons phase. It's definitely no tactic for beginners or intermediates - a BWL equiped raid might be able to do so, but hey, they should be able to take out Ragnaros before the first wave of sons appears.--Thundor 09:48, 26 April 2006 (EDT)

I've heard from a friend that they actually survived a THIRD sons phase once. Rag was at 1% when the sons spawn occurred, and they were able to kill him afterwards. I'd     rather put it as a desperate tactic for beginner raids who are unable to do the DPS to down Rag in two phases. IMO it's easier to muster the survivability than the required DPS --Asherett 17:44, 12 June 2006 (EDT)

My guild Avatars of Discord learned and killed him after second sons phase. We had more trouble doing enough DPS to him than actually killing the sons. We also did sons slightly different, with a majority of ranged dps off to the left so the sons run by, and the tanks and such where they all meet. Bhodi 18:06, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

Banishable?
This comment:


 * Be aware that Ragnaros considers Banished sons as defeated and can resurface prematurely.

contradicts this comment:
 * Ragnaros will spawn the second all the sons are dead, so it helps to keep one son at very low health chain banished until Ragnaros emerges on his own, to give the raid time to regenerate.

Which is correct? I'm sick of advice from people who haven't had first-hand experience. One of these statements is correct and the other is a lie. --Davidc 05:49, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

You can't keep the last mob banished, ragnaros will surface. CJ 06:51, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

We had 1 firelord left and banished for at least 10 seconds before Rag surfaced. --Asherett 18:25, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Additional Ability: Lava Blast
I've witnessed firsthand that 1) ranged DPS can draw aggro on Ragnaros and 2) he responds to this with a fireball-like attack that does about 2500 base fire damage. This attack is called "Lava Blast" in the combat log. (No, not Magma Blast, and not Lava Splash). He targets me (I get aggro warning), fires this attack once, and targets someone else. It happens regularly to me, at least once each fight. I'll take some screenshots next time I see it happen. --Asherett 16:51, 12 June 2006 (EDT)


 * Nope, this is a "random" attack. CJ 08:23, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Yes, I can confirm this is similar to baron geddon's mana tick, in which he briefly targets a random person, and dots them, going back to primary aggro. This uses the same RSTS (random secondary targetting system) presumably. "Random unavoidable deaths" may occur since 2.5k fireballs are not friendly

AoE for stage 2
Using Blizzard to kill all the Sons at the same time has worked well for my guild, from the first kill on. Most rogues can hold one in place, while the MT and OT can each hold 2 or 3. Once they are all gathered, it takes only 15 seconds (2 Blizzards per mage) to kill them all at once. It is advisable to pull one out of the aoe for the rest of the 90 seconds in order to regen healer mana before Ragnaros emerges again.

A god?
Is it ok to call him a god. I don't think any official texts call him a god. I mean he has power over fire, the fire elementals worship him, he is immortal. but at the same time he is under the Old Gods. Noman953
 * You really have a thing about gods. . Yes, I do believe there are texts that do call him a god...
 * He's referenced here as a god, and here. Old God status? No. But definitely a God. I'm fairly certain his actual title is Elemental Lieutenant, however. As those pages are from very old times...--Sky 03:08, 23 January 2007 (EST)
 * Elemental Lord :). But god isn't all wrong, either. He serves that function to most fire elementals, and even elementals of other types recognize that status in their hatred for him. -- 08:03, 23 January 2007 (EST)
 * Elemental Lieutenants. :P. Just about everywhere on this site they are referenced as Elemental Lieutenants. *cough*consistencyplz*cough*--Sky 13:58, 23 January 2007 (EST)

HP?
How much hp does he have?
 * see Ragnaros (tactics), please. --Sky (t · c · w) 22:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Ragnaros quotes
Most of all he shouts "by fire be purged" or "die insect" and i can clearly understand the starting one "Too soon, you have awakened me too soon Executos, what is the meaning of this......", but i would like to ask you of a particular one, because i've been trying to find something about it and came out empty handed : "Taste the flames of -". Whose flames is he talking about ?


 * Sulfuras or Sulfuron. Theres been much debate over this subject. Most agree he is speaking about his hammer Sulfuras, though for some reason many argue he may be refering to his home in the Firelands, Sulfuron Keep (i.e. feel the might of "fill in random place here"), or that it may be the name of his patron Old God, which is assuming the old gods are paired off one for one to each elemental which no evidence has hinted of and most hints heavily against. Sulfuron Harbinger comes into the discussion but it's unlikely he's refering to a minion of his, ones whose name in wow may just be a title. I hope that answeres your question...i'm gonna go do a little more research on the subject. 20:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's Sulfuron. Like i said theres a debate, most agree its not his minion Sulfuron, but rather his keep, his hammer (meaning a naming error), or his master (pure speculation). The arguement about it being an Old God was fueled by the existance of Sulfuron Harbinger, whom many thought might be a title and not his name, thus the harbinger of sulfuron. Turns out Sulfuron is his true name (little research i just did). So it's probably safest to assume Ragnaros is refering to his keep. 21:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

That makes sence, nice job, i've been wondering about this a long time ago. Thanks Warthok--Grievous 20:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

After his defeat?
What happened lore-wise after his defeat in WoW? I can't imagine he was fully destroyed. Was he sent back to the elemental plane?
 * Sign your posts. I don't think blizzard has stated it specifically, but I think thats most likely what happened yes. 16:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Chaotic Neutral?
Under "Alignment" it describes Ragnaros as Chaotic Neutral. Is this true? I always assumed he was chaotic evil. 19:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Meh, I've never liked D&D alignments anyway. Ragnaros doesn't behave very neutral to me, more, as you say, chaotic evil, if any alignment is to be set. However, CN seems to be the official, so I guess there is little to do about it. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]] Xavius, the Satyr Lord  20:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The elements aren't evil or good. Water can restore life or crash down on a city and drown it out. They're neutral because they do for themselves, and can be benevolent or malevolent at a moment's notice. As the Minor Manifestation of Earth said, "Standing before the earth humbly is all that is required of you for you to pass this rite. But the others are not as passive. They may be chaotic and often violent, but such is the nature of the elements. Dual natures opposing one another, you must come to learn these things intricately." So the elements are neutral, and chaos is unpredictable, which the elements also are. So that's why it's "Chaotic Neutral." Vae Victis 09:22, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ragnaros and Al'Akir are both allied with Deathwing now, so it stands to reason that the two are now Chaotic Evil. The Cheat (talk) 23:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Granted, I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't be listing alignments regardless, but Ragnaros's motivations, at least, fit quite well as chaotic neutral: he simply wants to burn everything, because that's what fire does. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * He's clearly allied with Deathwing and the Twilight's Hammer as seen at the beginning of Hyjal. It's a pretty huge stretch to say he's anywhere remotely neutral with this new allegiance. The Cheat (talk) 03:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * http://easydamus.com/chaoticneutral.html
 * http://easydamus.com/chaoticevil.html --SCARY WIZARD (talk) 08:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Just an Avatar?
"Ragnaros is still alive, as players are only able to slay a weakened avatar." Quoted from Old Gods speculation. Can someone confirm this? I don't see any mention regarding this in Ragnaros' page. --Malygos (talk) 14:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As the name of the article implies, this is SPECULATION. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 18:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Meaning opinion
Just a minor error in my opinion, but I dont agree with that "Ragnarök" probably means "Twilight og the gods" instead of "rain of smoke. It should definatly be the other way around, since "ragn-" is most likely derived from Regn (litterary means Rain) and "-rok" is likewhise derived from "Rök" (smoke)... As I said just a minor incorrection =)

Thnx for a great wiki!

Tree-hater?
Is there any real reason why Ragnaros is trying to burn down the still regrowing world tree? It just doesn't make any real sense to me. If anything this seems like an excuse to get Malfurion into the WoW scene.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 03:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Because he wants to burn the world. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:59, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey hey hey... hey... too soon. 04:11, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't get that reference, what is too soon?AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 04:16, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * yell -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:18, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye... definitely an old school joke from the good ole days... much like how "in the mtns" is for the youngins today.. or soon to be "good news everybody". 04:21, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Overall, do you feel that the Ragnaros-World Tree plot line is just an excuse to bring the surviving Stormrage brother into the fold?AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 04:24, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Only marginally. Ragnaros wants to burn the world (always has), and what better place to start than the biggest tree in the most sacred forest? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:26, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Plus... he emerges from the biggest volcano known on Azeroth. 04:28, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * And don't forget that he's a servant of the Old Gods, who may be the cause of the Nightmare. So, he'll will weaken the druids, who are the major force against them.-- 06:11, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe he done it under Deathwing orders, I do think strange he came back just when Deathwing wake up...maybe he's under the black dragon's influense or the cataclysm made the conditions to be more easy to Ragnaros come back and burn the world... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * It's unlikely because of the confront between the Firelord and the black dragonflight on Blackrock Mountain
 * Nefarian is not Deathwing. The black flight's goals contradicted, but now they do not.-- 00:00, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

It could be that Deathwing's "awakening" weakened the boundaries between planes "just enough" for Ragnaros to get loose. Things like that have happened in other stories, after all -- one person does one thing, another person takes advantage of the situation... --Super Bhaal (talk) 02:51, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, another reason could be: Ragnaros has dwarfs servants and dwarfs don't like elfs. So, to please his minions, he attacks the Night Elves 8D(ok, nervermind...)


 * Well to whoever said the Elemental Lords serve the Old Gods, that isn't necessarily true. The Old Gods are evil. The Elemental Lords are chaotic neutral and align themselves with the Gods when it benefits them.
 * I mean the question as to why he is appearing here is really is no different than if you asked as to why did Ragnaros emerge before, and why that area. What question we really should be asking is if Ragnaros' presence, before he even entered the world in his weakened form, caused a major part of Khaz'Modan around Blackrock Mountain to become sundered and morphed into a fiery wasteland... why isn't the same happening to the Hyjal area when Ragnaros is most likely at his prime and not weakened like he was in his initial encounter? Him attacking the Crown of the Heavens really is simple, he's chaotic and chaos needs no reason to do what it does. Fire loves to burn plants and Nordrassil is a big ass plant. And it's healing, so part of it may be withered and more susceptible to burning. Not to mention Archimonde's remains. More fuel for the fire (Literally!) Another possibility is that Deathwing controls the Twilight's Hammer cult, and they are obsessed with the elements in their apocalyptic crusade. What better reason than to bring down an essential part of Azeroth? I mean it is the link to the Emerald Dream, besides the Green Flight who are being corrupted bit by bit, and the Dream is the 'blueprint of Azeroth' as well as the fact that if the Old Gods are the reason behind the Nightmare, then this is just another attack at that. So we're all focused on "OMG!! FIRELORD!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!", the Old Gods are going behind our backs and are sealing off the Dream and would gain a greater foothold of the world, which they so covet. So like Yogg-Saron put his hand--err, tentacle, into three important parts of the world's past, this may just be the same with one of the other Gods. Plus with Malfurion being out of the Dream, that plane would be without one of its greatest figureheads if sealed away. Perhaps that's why Malfurion has finally come into the scene; it's not necessarily an excuse to just throw him in finally, but to actually implement a seed of lore that'll grow into something later on. (Growing seed pun on Malfurion totally intended)


 * Keep in mind, however, that this is all speculative based on my knowledge of WoW and its lore. And before anyone jumps my case that I'm throwing speculations left and right and should go to a forum, this still is an answer to the base question.


 * And here's a question of my own... Think I should work at Blizzard in the Lore Dpt.? Lol Vae Victis 22:51, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, you think way to much to be in the Lore Dpt.
 * Lore Dpt = I've seated in the forest, there was wind in my ears => WHOO I AM A SPACE GOAT SHAMAN§
 * Always thought that the Elemental Princes worked for the Old Gods. And about your quote on Deathwing, yes he has some control over the Twilight Hammer since they healed him in Deepholme.
 * 23:04, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lore department, like Ragnaros and the other Elemental Lords, is chaotic neutral.  D:  --Super Bhaal (talk) 00:02, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the reason behind Ragnaros's presence in Blackrock Mountain and the resulting devastation of the surrounding area is quite well-known: it's because Sorcerer-Thane Thaurissan and his assistants summoned him there during the War of the Three Hammers. The power of the summoning caused a massive volcanic eruption which incinerated a large swath of the Redridge Mountains and created Blackrock Mountain, and resulted in a very pissed-off Elemental Lord sitting at its heart. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:16, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but it was his mere closeness to the area from the Elemental Plane that caused it to become a massive chasm. And he was pulled there, and not even completely. This time he willingly emerges and at full strength. Although I gave it some thought and considering this whole expansion will be based around the thinning walls between our world and the Elementals', I would suppose that the world would be more, I guess you could say, stable in handling his existence than it was before. So he's slipped through the larger cracks rather than being broken through walls. Vae Victis 08:42, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Yes, but it was his mere closeness to the area from the Elemental Plane that caused it to become a massive chasm." Not according to any source I've seen. Do you have a citation for that? Everything I've seen specifically says it was due to the force of his entry into Azeroth. But in any event, as you said the circumstances are different here. Back then, it was the sudden, forceful, and explosive reentry of the Firelord and his minions into the world. Here, it's a literal rift between Azeroth and the Firelands, through which he and his troops can simply walk through. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:25, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * But only the Ragnaros' minions will appear outside the Firelands or will Ragnaros make appearances outside and inside too?-- [[Image:IconSmall_Fire.gif]] Fire Master [[Image:IconSmall_Pandaren.gif]] ([[Image:IconSmall_BloodElf_Male.gif]]T -C [[Image:IconSmall_PitLord.gif]])  12:25, January 5, 2010 (UTC)