User talk:Lon-ami

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Nahzarak moved to User:Lon-ami/Nahzarak
I have moved Nahzarak to User:Lon-ami/Nahzarak 19:38, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

Discuss
you asked to Discuss, so: you should clean + edit your ideas ready before you put them to future race ideas. otherwise good work Kesmana (talk) 11:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

btw could you merge your race ideas? Kesmana (talk) 11:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * O.O, ¡someone reads my stuff!¡You've give me hope! I'm going to edit them right now :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * /clap /clap indeed, i mean,should you make them finished and put them then to future race ideas. thanks & g´luck Kesmana (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, thanks to you. I've some fan fics, but they're written in Spanish, my native language. I'll try to traduce some stuff today ;).


 * i mean...ur race ideas:???fox????mantis?????. :P Kesmana (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have further explanations on those, but I must translate them. They're short anyway. I'll try to translate the entire Azj'Aqir Compendium I made, but I can try to write something more about the mount races, the foxes and the mantis. Anyway, these ones are 100% made by me and haven't got any source in Warcraft universe. I'm with exams so, perhaps, you'll have to wait a bit :P.

ok then. BTW, if it is so hard, use translator, they are not perfect, but they may help Kesmana (talk) 12:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Ebon Blade
Please note that any information about the WotLK alpha, including the Ebon Blade, will be deleted following the NDA policy. 11:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Covenant too. 11:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything? But the factions were confirmed by Blizzard, weren't they? So I suppose Valiance Expedition, The Silver Covenant, Explorer's League, The Taunka, The Hand of Vengeance, Warsong Offensive, The Kalu'ak, Kirin Tor, The Wyrmrest Accord and Knights of the Ebon Blade follow the NDA policy too... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * "Leaked alpha content" does not mean "confirmed by Blizzard". 11:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, excuse me, I didn't know it was leaked. Lon-ami (talk) 11:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC) (Sorry, I forgot to sign)

If you can find a source that came from Blizz, then we can add them (and it'll make me ever so happy) :) 11:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And if it cames from one of those magazines and websites that played WotLK in Irvine and got information approved by Blizzard?Lon-ami (talk) 11:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, that's fine - but remember to cite the mag. 11:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Characters & appearances
See the Appearances project. 00:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems nice. I shall check it ;). --Lon-ami (talk) 19:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

New cats
Love the work you're doing, but I'm not sure if we need a category for each novel. Do you mind explaining your thinking? -- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I still must categorize everything, but I can assure you that they'll end being filled.


 * Categories for each book are quite empty now, and they only serve as support for pages like that book's characters and media. Anyway, pages with prominent book content, like a discussion or a deep speculation, could be categorized into that categories.


 * Some examples:


 * http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy
 * http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy_books
 * http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy_characters


 * There we have two important categories: characters and books, and another bit useless category, where those categories are categorized. Right now, http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy only serves as support for characters and books, but articles with prominant Sunwell info could be categorized into this category. You know, content related to The Sunwell Trilogy that can't be included in books or characters.


 * Series have only a category, like Sunwell, where we have http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy but we don't have http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy: Dragon Hunt.


 * Anyway, if they end being too empty after I finish adding info, I could gather them all in the same folder and remove each-book's category. Like they all were novels of a trilogy. Just wait for when I finish all the work ;).


 * Hope you understand my point of view now... Anyway, ask anything you want if it's still unclean, I'm not good at expressing myself :P.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 15:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I think I see what you're doing. Well, keep it up, and we'll talk more at a later stage in the project.
 * Oh, would you mind marking all of these as minor edits for bookkeeping purposes? It makes reviewing the day's edits much easier.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 16:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sorry, I'll do. I just did it lightspeed, so I forget to mark them all xDDD. Won't happen if I'm working on it relaxed ;).


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 16:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

We appreciate your work, but...
Please try to add citations or references for the material you add. That way you will be sure to avoid reverts.Baggins (talk) 13:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Also please don't cite sources that aren't released yet (unless its from released interviews). While I assume you might have some insider information, that info should not be released prior to the release of the product, and not until after our spoiler period. We do have a spoiler policy. In addition unless its public knowledge and you can cite a link to the public info, insider info should not be mentioned as its not verifiable.Baggins (talk) 14:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What if I have the book? (Galley, given at New York Comic Con)


 * If I'm breaking whatever spoiler policy, pardon me, didn't know about it >_<!


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 14:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ya, hold your horses (umm there is a pun there, LOL) and wait for the official release, and after the spoiler period.Baggins (talk) 14:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, don't worry. Gonna remove them asap, if you haven't yet.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * PS: Lol, xDDDDD. (Explanation: I posted 5 named horses there)
 * Ahh, I'll let you clean it up, I better get some sleep.Baggins (talk) 14:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Please use other elink besides DC Comics and don't remove refs
I don't know if you realized this, but the http://dccomics.com/wildstorm/ external links to specific WoW comics eventually roll off the DC Comics web site and become bad links, so don't leave them as the only external links on WoW comic article. Also please don't remove refs unless they have bad info. Even old info is useful sometimes. -- Fandyllic  (talk · contr) 2:32 PM PST 21 Apr 2009


 * But they're uslees. It's like putting references to a book in the page of that book. Of course, I'm speaking of books who have been released.


 * I'd just leave them as external links, but no references. Well, I'm not sure at all.


 * Also, the pages disappear, yeah, but the previews and the covers are still there, in the same number-id. It's worth having it stored somewhere.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 12:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

RE: Can you "move" image pages?
Yes, you can move images to a different name, but a tip is to leave the "Leave a redirect" box empty, or it could look ugly. Be sure to check what pages links to the image before you move it though. -- 18:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, so I can move them by myself? Didn't know, thanks a lot. I think I'm gonna follow a common style for all the related images, like the covers and whatever. Thanks, again ;) --Lon-ami (talk) 18:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, wait, but where's the button to move it? :( --Lon-ami (talk) 18:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The button should be at the top of the article, where the usual Move button is. Alternately you can use Special:MovePage and specify to move the full file name (like "File:Example.jpg"). -- 19:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I found the problem: I'm not allowed to move files. It must be something exclusive for you moderators :S. Turn on for us normal users or just move some files for me, please. --Lon-ami (talk) 19:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What files did you have in mind? And, if you don't mind, try write on one line. -- 19:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, ok, sorry :P. I was thinking about covers and cover artworks. You know we have moe than one volume/issue, and it's just annoying to have them all with different names. I'd propose this: WoW15CoverArtwork - WoW15Cover - WoW15CoverB - Legends5Cover - WoW15Cover. That style more or less, using the short name and then the key words. A or B in the end helps differentiate if there are more than one official cover. For sample or placeholders, just put Sample in the end before the letter. Something like that, hope you understand me. --Lon-ami (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Small Unique Icons
Come gaze on my Paint skills! xD talk:List_of_unique_character_icons&curid=219928&diff=1919401&oldid=1917557 Talk:Unique Icons Suggestions 17:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok! xD--Lon-ami (talk) 17:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * *poke*
 * 21:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * My eye! >_< What? A link? :O
 * --Lon-ami (talk) 09:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Stubs
Stubs go at the top of articles, with few exceptions. This is due to the infoboxes or images in the way that causes them to create huge gaps between sections. 20:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I thought it didn't matter, not at all, because, well, there are tons and tons of articles with the templates in the middle of the page, disorganizing all.


 * Anyway, I don't understand then why the template has "This article or section" if it can't be used that way. Also, it seems that template in particular has problems adapting itself to the article. Others, like "novel" or "rpg" don't disorganize all.


 * --Lon-ami (talk) 09:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Categories/minor edits
Thanks for all the cat work! In future though, would you mind marking cat edits as minor edits? It makes edits easier to screen. -- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, it's a piece of cake, and I love doing it :P. Ah, er, about the minor thing, sorry, i always forget :P xDDD. Thanks for the support, and the reminder, too ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 12:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Warcraft III categories
Might I ask why you created the amount of categories? The category such as "Warcraft III melee orc heroes" is redundant as two our of four orc hero units are ranged and two are melee; very small categories such as that is not preferred according to the category policy. I don't understand either the category "Warcraft III melee human buildings", are there even any human buildings that are "melee"? -- 15:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Melee refers to the RTS melee, the "ladder" or the official melee maps. There's melee and there's campaign, as classified by the game and the world editor. It's all part of the RTS units project--Lon-ami (talk) 15:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've never heard of those. Do you have any examples? -- 15:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * When you enter Bnet you can play 2 types of maps: Ladder or custom. Ladder are those played at tournaments, where you just play the same all the time: start with a townhall and a group of workers, and harvest resources and build, RTS. Normal maps, normal gameplay. I don't know how they are exactly called.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * How are they different compared to "normal" buildings? -- 16:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Am... it's not the same. Warcraft III is a RTS, but the inside gameplay can change. DotA, Tower Defenses, Sniper arena, Uther party... those aren't RTS, and those aren't official ladder. The official ladder is the original gaemplay of RTS.


 * The melee content can be found here: . Everything missing there isn't melee. Naga and draenei, for example, aren't melee, are campaign. They are official but they aren't tournament-official. You can't play with them.


 * What's melee can be found, too, at the template WC3box.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I looked at WC3UnitBox, Warcraft III units and Warcraft III buildings, and nowhere are there any "melee" units. The site you linked says nothing about any melee units or buildings - the only thing it mentions are "Melee Maps", and those aren't official. To be honest we shouldn't add every single (hero) unit from every custom map, which sounds like what you suggest, even if it's from theee "ladder" maps. They would simply be too many.


 * And going back, I don't see anywhere on the RTS units project article that melee buildings or units should be added, nor any custom ones. -- 16:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Melee isn't melee, it's a game term for the official gameplay of the game. There are units, as Captain that aren't melee, they're campaign. Others, like the Huntress, are melee.

You only have to open your World Editor or enter Battle.net to see them labelled as mele. If you haven't downloaded maps, then, all the maps you have are melee, save those inside the scenario folder, that aren't melee.

The units at the templates are all melee. Those that don't appear there are melee. There's an old article with all the info: Warcraft III units.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * So if the "melee" units and buildings are the same as the "normal" units and buildings, why make it complicated? To be honest these should be "Warcraft III campaign buildings" and "Warcraft III custom buildings" under "Warcraft III buildings", and likewise with the units. -- 16:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Warcraft III units is supposed to include all the units. Also, they are classified under different categorizations. Something like this: User talk:Sandwichman2449/RTS units project. There's no simple "orc units" category. The melee one could be moved there, but then, we'd have to categorize the another one there and all would go crap.


 * Trust me, once the cleaning and everything else is finished, it will be easy to understand. Also, the pages are classified for proper linkings of RTS strategies and things like that.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * So you just based a big decision on the opinion of just one other user, and waited just one day for it. To be honest that's not a real basis for the decision, but I guess you think different. I added my opinion to the discussion. -- 16:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

They can always be moved. Better to have something than to have nothing, nope? Until today, no one has cared about Warcraft III categories. See you in the discussion over the project.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Didn't see see anything about the project and was trying help clean up the single biggest broken link count entry. Sorry to offend. Drazisil (talk) 17:16, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, don't worry, I'm sure your intention was good, just to make you know. Anyway, I edited them with temporal redirects until something better is made, so they are no longer red.
 * Just wanted to tell you for if you didn't know (you seem new). Sometimes is better to leave the red names, when you know they're important. Other times, when they don't make sense at all, you should remove them without problems.
 * That's all, good luck, and welcome to WoWWiki ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 17:37, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Anub'arak Argent Coliseum
Where has Anub'arak been confirmed as the final boss? I can't find any achievement with his name. And the dungeon/raid is still not opened. Do you mean the sound files "by confirmed"?

16:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Sound files.
 * Achievement ID.
 * NPC ID.
 * Enough for me, really. Anyway, if he, by sheer chance, results not to be Anub'arak, well, delete it, but for now, I think that pretty everything points to him.
 * Until confirmed, should remain like that, imo.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for you, but if it's not written plainly in an achievement, you cannot have this online.
 * NPC ID, Achievement ID and sound files are all datamining.
 * PS: Pcj already cutted it. :)
 * 16:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And persisting in posting such information will result in a block per WP:DNP -- 16:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, datamining or not, the encounter data is in the files. If you just go there and play it properly, you'll trigger the encounter.
 * It's only a matter of time, and no need to menace with banning for just not thinking like you. Things can be asked in a nicer way.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * He just bursted out :) Some people are real nuts concerning the DNP (Remember Ulduar 3.1!)
 * 10:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Then I don't understand why they don't burst when hey posted all the boss names pre-release of any achievement, just basing on npc names -_-. It's no justification.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Before Yesterday's new build, the achievement Call of the Crusade listed each boss instead of "defeat the 2 beast", etc..
 * That allowed us to post the post names xD
 * 11:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought they were up before any achievement was datamined... ¬¬.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ogre icons
I always put the color of the ogres have because there are many ogre mages that are either blue or pale pink, there are many ogres that are either blue or pale pink. Actually being mage or not doesn't have anything to do with the skin color, even the WC2 ogres weren't blue. Lastly, can you mention an ogre mage with just one head? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 18:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I interprete it like this, also, according to the names in the templates:
 * 1 headed ogre
 * 2 headed ogre
 * 1 headed ogre mage
 * 2 headed ogre mage
 * Color doesn't mean anything, cause, well, there are red ogres and whatever.
 * Also: during the second war there were 2-headed ogre warriors, and Dentarg is an ogre mage and is 1-headed according to BtDP. Also, the RPG shows 1-headed ogre-mages File:Ogre mage.png.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, the RPG shows ogre magi with one head. But the icon would be useless, becuase there is just one ogre mage with one head (although he was two-headed in the game and manual and we don't have even a picture to see his appareance).
 * Also check again WC2, there were ogre magi: . Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also don't you think that it will confuse people that they saw an icon of a pale pink ogre and then get a blue ogre and viceversa? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Elder character class
I know nothing about the character class, other than that the link Elder redirected to Elders, a page that is now called Lunar Festival Elders. I suggest that Elder be changed to a page on the class, as it is referred to from such pages as Mastran. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Looking about it, neither Template:Warcraft RPG classes, nor Template:WoW RPG classes includes 'Elder' as a class.--Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, my mistake. I'm accustomed to write "Elder" in character tables as a role, so it probably didn't notice the fail. Remove it if you want, cause it's definitely not a class, just a role.--Lon-ami (talk) 08:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Warcraftt: Legends Moves
The correct usage in a title should be the number written as a word, not the digit (exactly why companies do so on the front cover). This is also the one used on the front cover which is what the title is derived from. How they may be writen on product sites or inside is rather irrelevant.

Ignoring that though, i merely moved them as they lacked both forms to be consitent with the previous volumes which had access from both word and digit forms, so i've no desire to change it and possibly start an edit war. -- 16:29, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it's clearer to use "5" instead of "five" in the article names, and pretty much every article follows that pattern. Also, inside the book, where the copyright and that stuff is written, it appears as "5", so I'd say there's no final decision on that. I wanted to open a forum thread for the general usage of number, but I don't know what to write. If you decide to open a thread about this topic, I'll join you.
 * Ignoring that thought, too, I just moved them because there's too much linking to the versions with the numbers xD. Also, I always call for talk, and never star edit wars :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:40, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Naga
Why make Naga into just about naga tribes?-- 23:59, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Why make it into a complete stuff with characters and whatever? As far as I know, only dragons have a template like that, and I find it reasonable because they only have 8 different groups.


 * Feel free to add more info if you want, but I always found useless those kind of templates, which should be in text format on the Naga page and nowhere else.--Lon-ami (talk) 08:56, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Forum thread following Gathering discussion
Over here, please. :)  AMBER (RΘCK)  14:30, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Posted .--Lon-ami (talk) 14:44, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Spoiler policy
Where is the Spoiler policy you mentioned? --Frejh (talk) 10:42, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Update:

We do not always flag spoilers — if new information has come out it will be added to the wiki.

Thus spoilers are not always excluded. I think it actually makes sense to put on a spoiler tag on articles regarding specific official Warcraft media. Let me give you an example: If you are visiting the article regarding the novel Arthas you might just want to get a hunch of the storyline of the novel, but you probably don't want mayor plot twists to be revealed. However if you are visiting the Arthas article, you probably want to get as much official information as possible regarding Arthas background story.

Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:About --Frejh (talk) 11:06, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Probably right. Anyway, WoW Volume 2 didn't deserve the spoiler tag, just because it has no summaries or whatever, just the descriptions and the characters.
 * I would ask some moderator before starting to apply the spoiler tag everywhere, since they never marked them before. Or, better, go to the forum and open a thread.
 * It will save you time in case they don't want spoiler tags.


 * Okay, thank you for the information. I will discuss the issue on the forum. --Frejh (talk) 11:15, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Scrolls of Lore "membership badge"
I happened upon this over at Scrolls of Lore and decided to create this just because:

What do you think? It is not like Wwclub. I tried to match the colors to the website's. You can move it to a transcludeable template if you want.-- 21:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * That. Is. Just. Awesome. Thanks you very much! The color definitely matches, I love it. I, personally, don't like userboxes, but there's going to be people that will use it, you can be sure. And I myself could start using it, why not.
 * For now, let's leave it here, and if there's enough people wanting to use it so it deserves to be a template, then I myself will make it so.
 * My original idea was to create a badge, with that same scroll in the background, and the words "Scrolls of Lore" in front of it. That same image, but bigger and with expanded text. Anyway, adding some stuff around, like the circular letters of Wwclub, would be nice, but it would be a hard work, so let's leave it for another day.
 * For now, I'll use this, I'll show it at WoWWiki and see if I can make people give ideas for the badge.
 * Thanks! .--Lon-ami (talk) 10:56, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

I approve! Thank you. --Timolas 16:35, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm Omacron, and I approve this message. Omacron (talk)


 * Template created: User SoL .--Lon-ami (talk) 17:18, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * For the future, you might want to try to reduce the number of parser functions, as they can be quite load-heavy. I put most of them in a subpage, so that the same group of parser functions could be loaded once and used several times. I'm not sure how it will react to having a parameter, so it might not make a difference though. Anyway, remember the tip for the future. 21:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Lon-ami, while I made User SoL, User SoL Rank is too much. It was decided that it violates WP:DNP, as it is Off-topic content. It is a template whose whole point is tracking the amount of posts Scrolls of Lore users make in their forum. The forum itself is not part of the Warcraft universe, and is not part of WoWWiki. Cowbell went, so this needs to go too. I am sorry, as you put a lot of work into it, but a template to track achievements on another fan site is off-topic.-- 02:00, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I restored it. I will give you a chance to discuss it first.-- 02:16, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, no problem, I just wanted to try implementing some functions, and that was the first and easiest example I had. Anyway, let me move it instead to my user space, cause I want it as a reference until I apply it to future templates.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:33, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * It was just a test? If so, then why the hype on SoL?-- 20:46, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if I'm going to make it, why not tell people to use it?
 * Of course, I didn't expect it to be against the rules, making it to be removed >_<. What I mean as "test" is that I wanted to do something working with those features, and that ranks were great for it. Of course I'd have made anything else, but I'd prefer it to be of some use; and I got this as a suggestion.
 * Anyway: I've it now at my user page, just because I want to keep it and because I'd like Ose to explain the changes made; for learning, more than all; and not repeating the same mistakes in a future. The question is: since some people from SoL could want to use it, could I let them link to it, or must I stop them if they try to? Don't expect them to be a lot of users, anyway.
 * That's all, don't worry about it ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 21:18, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * (Anyway, I'm planning on making a similar one with W3 Bnet rankings; would it be "legal"?)


 * If it involves Warcraft its ok, so a WC3 battlenet one is fine. 21:21, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the changes I made, they really just the template less redundant. Instead of repeating the whole ifexpr sequence twice, I placed it on anothe page, and made it output the result to the template page, with switches to determine the final template output. 22:59, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

New Council of Tirisfal
...and yet he's not called the "New Guardian of Tirisfal", simply "Guardian of Tirisfal". The Council may be different. The job is not, combined magic schools or no. --Joshmaul (talk) 17:53, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, yeah, neither the council nor the guardian are named in any new way; but it's this or merging the 2 articles.
 * Anyway, if you feel you're right, put Guardian there till someone create an article or section for the New Guardian. After all, linking somewhere is better than linking nowhere.--Lon-ami (talk) 17:56, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Three Bugs
May you comment you suggestion to split the Three Bugs please?

I don't see what "lore" you want to put in their article.

18:11, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't remember, I added that long ago. If you don't find any lore for them, feel free to remove the split suggestion. I'll add it back if I find relevant information, with the information attached.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:49, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Argent Officer Pureheart presumed deceased?

 * Continued from User talk:A'noob

So you have:
 * here the move from Alive to Deceased by Benitoperezgaldos
 * there the move to Presumed deceased by Deepred.

In both case, I'm not responsible ^^

18:47, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, so I'll have to use Pureheart's talk page instead, it seems .--Lon-ami (talk) 20:12, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * I see, it seems I watched over more than one edition, and believed I was watching just one: yours. Whatever, my bad :S.--Lon-ami (talk) 20:17, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Continued at Talk:Argent Officer Pureheart

About Gurtogg Bloodboil
You added Gurtogg Bloodboil as a member of the Bonechewer clan on the latter's article. Are you sure about that? Where does it come from? Veher18 (talk) 17:30, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * He's surrounded by Bonechewer fel orcs; that made me guess he was a Bonechewer. It's just that, there's nor quest neither text around I know mentioning him being of any clan.--Lon-ami (talk) 17:34, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Dragonflight and Capitalization
Your voice is most welcome here

17:21, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 21:45, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

"Cataclysm Trilogy"
I'm wondering what your source is for claiming that The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm is part of a trilogy as per your edit. Theres no evidence of this from what i can tell. -- 18:46, February 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Christie Golden told at the last BlizzCon she was working on a Cataclysm trilogy. This one leaked, and considering her work after Arthas is the trilogy, it's safe to assume this book is part of it.
 * Still, I wouldn't create more pages about the trilogy until it gets officially announced or we have enough info to fill them ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 13:12, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thura
Dare I ask the source of this name? :)

15:56, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * World of Warcraft: Stormrage.
 * For further sourcing, you can read the prologue preview at the official site ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 20:31, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

ES
Deberías echarle un ojo más a menudo al wiki español... --Killogwil (talk) 15:15, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Estoy un poco cansado de tener que defender las politicas del wiki yo solo y ver como gente que no ha contrinuido en nada se te sube a las barbas y a los de los que más hemos puesto de nuestra parte. O pones arreglo a esto de forma tajante o dejo de colaborar. --Killogwil (talk) 17:03, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * ¿Qué problema hay?¿Que 2 usuarios se quejan de que hay nombres en inglés?
 * Mientras no empiecen a discutir por discutir y a vandalizar, están en todo su derecho de hablar del tema. Si se pasan hab´ra consecuencias (que ya las ha habido en el pasado).
 * Por lo que respecta a tu trabajo (enlazar páginas de un idioma con otro) puedes seguir haciéndolo sin ningún problema, redirecciones a nombres en español o inglés, ya que ambos acaban llevando a donde deben.
 * Si quieres toma parte en la discusión, cuantas más opiniones mejor, y creo que podrías poner un buen grano de arena con todo el trabajo que has hecho hasta ahora.
 * Ah, y para escribirme sobre es.wow mejor escríbeme allí, no aquí, que etngo las 2 igual de vigiladas :S.--Lon-ami (talk) 17:17, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Eso es lo que hacen, discutir por discutir sin atender a lo que se les dice, alguno ya sabes que ha estado vandalizando hasta que le has parado los pies (y para mí perdió cualquier opción a ser escuchado cuando lo hizo). Ya han dejado claro que o es como ellos dicen o no van a colaborar en nada y solo van a participar para criticar, la ley del embudo que le dicen en mi pueblo. Y te he escrito aquí porque quería comentartelo sin que ellos respondieran con una chorrada. Para lo demás te escribo allí aunque parece que no lo mires tanto como esto.
 * En fin, que después de año y pico colaborando a diario estoy un poco quemado con el tema. Si veo que la cosa no tira palante y se caga el lore mejor me dedico a currar en otra cosa. --Killogwil (talk) 18:22, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Pues sí, la verdad. Yo ya estuve un montón de tiempo sólo tirando para adelante, y acabé bastante quemado. Si no hubiera sido por los que os atrevisteis a editar, supongo que la wiki se habría ido al garete.
 * De todas formas, ha quedado demostrado reiteradas veces que no tienen razón, así que si siguen insistiendo o empeñándose en hacer lo que les da la gana, pues pasará lo que tenga que pasar.
 * Personalmente, yo lo de los nombres sigo teniéndolo difuso, pero no me paree un tema importante a tratar. Hay muchas más cosas, y mucho más importantes.
 * Ahora mismo, lo que me gustaría hacer son políticas fuertes, más que nada para poder aumentar la administración sin miedo a que los burócratas tengan que apañárselas como puedan. Para eso las necesitamos, y es algo que me gustaría discutir como dios manda.
 * Después de éso, la cosa sería dar una mejor primera impresión de la wiki, con algún estilo propio y una portada nueva, y luego pasar al proceso de estar al día con un portal dedicado a la 3º expansión, Cataclysm, el cual podría llevar sin problemas si se empieza bien desde 0.
 * Si lo de atraer gente con la información de Cataclysm surte efecto, supongo que podríamos tener un aumento en miembros y popularidad, que serviría como desencadenante para empezar a crecer como dios manda.
 * La traducción se discutirá como dios manda, con argumentos de verdad, pero cuando sea el momento. No tiene sentido discutir sobre una política de nombres cuando ni siquiera tenemos una de borrado o una de contenido apropiado.
 * Tú sigue con los enlaces, que haces un buen trabajo, y a largo plazo confío en que dará resultado (creo que somos la wiki con más enlaces a la inglesa, y prácticamente es todo gracias a ti). Cuando crezcamos más, espero poder verte también al otro lado, sobre todo para las políticas ;).
 * Y no te preocupes por esta gente. Por mucho que discutan, no van a conseguir tener razón, no con esos argumentos, y si no aceptan que la discusión queda zanjada después de haber dejado todo claro, pues se zanjará manualmente.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:41, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, entonces me pondré a actualizar el lore de Cataclysm. De momento ya terminé el del Lich King (Bolvar y Tirion inclusive), el de Deathwint-Alamuerte y ahora estoy con el tema de la rebelión de los Dragones Negros en el Templo de Dragonblight. A ver si saco algo para los Goblins y los Huorgens (ya sabes que Blizzard se ha cargado el termino Ferocani de un plumazo). Nos vemos por el wiki ;) --Killogwil (talk) 20:53, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Bleach Wiki
Hola lon-ami o te gusta que te llame Hattori Kyūshū Capitan de la segunda division de Bleach Wiki. Bleach Wiki nesecita tu ayuda para elegir un nuevo adm en el foro ya que Lord Ulquiorra lleva un mes desaparecidoy nesecitamos de tu voto, por favor.--Hatake Kisuke (talk) 16:45, April 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah, prefiero Lon-ami :P. Ahora me paso ;). La siguiente vez mejor si me dices por mi página en Bleach wiki xDDD.--Lon-ami (talk) 20:13, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Scrolls of lore
Do you know if anything happened to scrolls of lore i keep getting account suspended and can't see nothing in there...--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:04, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The admin is migratins the server :P--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:40, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's it. Already working just in case :) :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 08:55, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

New 1k Needles 5man
Please can you provide a source for this change. -- 19:58, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll search it, but it simply said that there was no new instance there, and that it was just RFD, possibly re-attuned for the levels of the new area. Right now I could give you "unofficial" sources that I've at hand, but I don't think those are legit.
 * Anyway, the "RFD new instance thing" was a WoWInsider speculation made because the Cata chart had a symbol over there. Nothing very legit, anyway.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:12, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

grrrrrrr
I'll be back!

18:48, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem, you will be welcomed, but wait 5 min more until I finish copying the list xDDD.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:51, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're not being back :'(. Don't leave me alone xDDD.--Lon-ami (talk) 19:11, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Continued at User talk:A'noob


 * Hold me tight Lon-ami!
 * I'm crushed by a huge Beta Wave!
 * 17:16, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hah, I was prepared for it, so the wave wasn't that big, although bigger than I expected :D.--Lon-ami (talk) 17:55, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ahah, good old discussion!
 * Could you please consider sorting the names you add in A-Z order? (understand on the name)
 * Your Lovely White Cow.
 * 14:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought you were doing it for me :D xD. It's not top priority now, but I'll do it, don't worry.
 * Also, I'm thinking about making those pages a project: Forum:Creating a project, just in case you're interested :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 14:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired
Hey Lon-ami, I know you're a regular editor to WoWWiki, so I just wanted your opinion on whether WoWWiki should leave Wikia. Let me know if you have any questions, or post them on the forums. Also, you're part of the Spanish WoWWiki, so just wanted to see if they were going to do anything. We'll try to keep the interwiki link thing going either way on our side. -- 21:26, October 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done, and I'll be watching it for further feedback ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 11:41, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Earth elementals and the Curse of Flesh
Yes, it is speculation and perhaps possible, but in Deepholm, when earth elementals are exposed to it, the Curse of Flesh in manifests itself as fungal in nature, not as ettin or pygmies.-- 21:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know, but it's a possibility, and I felt it was needed to be point it there. There are different types of elementals, and maybe they're the result of some trogg-like cursed ones.--Lon-ami (talk) 21:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

About category's name
Hi again. As you know I dont speak English very well so I have a question: is the name "Warcraft III Building Icons" is good for category? --Askarmuk (talk) 16:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hm... I'm not sure about it; but anyway, we don't need any category like that for now (we still have to categorize loads of other W3 stuff) so I would leave that for later. I'll think of something and will tell you later. Maybe or answer is something like this: Wowpedia:List of non-WoW Warcraft icons but maybe that's too big for W3, so I don't know. I'll tell you later, but I think we don't need the category :).--Lon-ami (talk) 16:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The reason of this is that category:Warcraft III Icons is very big and i wanna to sort it. And i'm waiting for answer - you can do not rush. --Askarmuk (talk) 19:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but well, it's hard to sort... the icons are recycled for a lot of stuff. I think that the best is to make an article and sort them there. It's better than a category, in my opinion. But let's finish with what we have before starting to think about more :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 19:37, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Category names should be entirely in lower case except for proper nouns like "Warcraft" per the category policy.-- 20:39, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * That means that i did a bad thing - see Category:Warcraft III Unit Icons, Category:Warcraft III Hero Icons. --Askarmuk (talk) 21:27, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I know. The main reason for sorting (as i think) must be use in wc3, not in custom maps and other fan usage. But of course i don't forbid categories above may be deleted (hope it was a good english sentence). --Askarmuk (talk) 21:27, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Orcs
Hey Lon-ami, I herd you like templates, so I put some templates in your template so you can template while you template. Seriously, what do you think? I feel it ends the minor edit wars.-- 21:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You made my night :p
 * I prefer my version, players might not know in which Horde a clan is, and may be more interested by the game appearence than the lore appearence.
 * 22:42, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * XDDD.
 * First of all, orcs instead of orc clans because I could end adding characters and stuff, and all the other organization templates follow that pattern. As for your templates, there's something I don't like in any of them: too much wasted space. I mean, one line for a single clan?
 * Also, A'noob's has W2 on Flowerpicker, but it hasn't on Blackrock and all the other originals, and yours is ok, but still, too much wasted space.
 * Another possibility is to classify them by location, although that could be worse than any of the current versions, lol.
 * Maybe the solution could be to make fields for game, and then mark expansions inside. That would solve the problem of Sandwichman's. In the end, A'noob's is like Sandwichman's, only that prioritizes over WoW instead of the original games.
 * Something like this:


 * But still, I think showing in what WoW expansion they appear may be more important than the original source, since, well, everyone knows most of the clans originated with W2, so it's pointless. But then, the original source deserves some respect, too.
 * So, in the end, I made my template the way I made it to show when they made it to WoW without prioritizing over any game distribution, just by main faction, which they coincide with the different games.
 * Of course, my template could be better if you added "Original Horde" and "Old Horde", for W2 and W2X games :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I strongly doubt that you will end up adding characters and stuff to the 'organization templates', and the other organization templates follow the naming pattern that they do because you enforce it. Also, I think that referring to the versions of the template in plural is a mistake: There should only be one version (see above).-- 16:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the naming thing started with ogres, and people saying they were clans or tribes, so in the end, we went for organizations.
 * I don't understand what you mean with "many versions", anyway.--Lon-ami (talk) 20:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You discuss the pros and cons of each user's ideas, when they are but sections of a larger template. Everybody wins!-- 20:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I really think that the template should be like I made it, or make it like this to be an ass and force the issue.-- 02:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * We should open a new forum post for this for more people to discuss the matter. The only thing I dislike about your template is that it's too big and wastes a lot of space.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:04, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, a more public place would be better. I just do not like completely subjective sections to be overwritten by whoever edits them next.-- 16:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Image licensing
Non-licensed uploads makes baby Pandaren sad. -- 19:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I knew I was forgetting something. Oh my, well. Gimme some minutes and I'll fix it :).--Lon-ami (talk) 19:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Cult of Forgotten Shadow‎‎
Do you actually own, or have you actually read, a copy of World of Warcraft: The Magazine Issue 4? If so, then I am sorry for doubting you.-- 19:16, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't, but people that had has posted that information at SoL, and I doubt it's some kind of fake (the particular poster ain't that kind of guy). Link here: :).--Lon-ami (talk) 20:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The particular part is here: in case you want to avoid reading through useless posts.--Lon-ami (talk) 20:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Omacron too said it came down to trusting the word of the Red Shirt Guy. I am having trouble trusting the addition of something when the person who added it admits that it was second hand. Mmm... It can stay. For now.-- 20:24, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I'll be the first to remove it if it's false ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 12:26, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Reverting moves
Lo siento macho me equivoqué de pestaña y pensaba que estaba en la wowpedia española. Siento que se haya perdido el historial aunque revisándolo eran solo 2 o 3 aportes. Cuando traté de revertirlo al estar creada la redirección habría que haber esperado que se borrara y hubiera tardado más y al ser una entrada muy actual hubiera podido provocar bastante confusión >_< --Petrovic (talk) 13:37, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Si has movido X a Y, puedes mover Y de vuelta a X sin necesidad de borrar la página :P. Ah, y contéstame en tu talk page, que es donde te pongo el mensaje xD.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Horde icons
Gourra decided to remove almost all racial icons that are not in the infobox in the horde page, and i want to know your opinion of it.

I think it's stupid removing the icons since we use the same rules for every other organization and region/planet.

Also you Scrolls of lore message box is full and i couldn't send any message <.<--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Elfgates and energy fields
I say that the second elfgate was a gate, and you say that "Arthas: Rise of the Lich King said it was a magical barrier (you already have that information above in the very article". You are not citing an article with itself, are you? In Arthas: Rise of the Lich King, the first gate (very much an actual gate) falls on page 223. After that, on page 225, Sylvanas says "The inner gate to Silvermoon can only be opened with a special key" and on page 226 it is written that Arthas "would be able to defeat the magic that powers the elfgates" and that "the first gate was not as magically defended as the second". Ban'dinoriel is mentioned on the next page, but the retrieval of the keys and their use happens offscreen. We never find out what the gate itself was, in my opinion, unless it was the gates of Silvermoon (which were at least mentioned). What do you think?-- 03:26, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, missed this. I think "magical energy field" is obviously a field that would disappear once dispelled. Anyway, if you feel like so, we could leave both versions (it may have been a magical field as a whole, and be dispelled leaving no trace, or a gate that was destroyed or simply doesn't appear for scale issues).--Lon-ami (talk) 10:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * That solution assumes that Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and Arthas: Rise of the Lich King contradict each other in this regard. The collection of the keys, and the circumvention of any kind of gate appears to not be shown in the book. How do you interpret the chapter?-- 21:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I interpret that the gate was magical, and once they opened it, it simply disappeared.
 * Gates don't need to look like gates, you know :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 09:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Where is your support? Your support is that it is your opinion?-- 21:36, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Arthas: Rise of the Lich King. Will look after the line later.--Lon-ami (talk) 12:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


 * What a coincidence! That is what I am citing! -- 17:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you have a reason why you think the gate was retconned and not just omitted?-- 21:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Proper source for Vashj'ir demigods
Continue the talk here, please: Talk:Ancient Guardian.--Lon-ami (talk) 20:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

CDev questions

 * Could you please clean up your questions in that page? specificly these two:
 * In Organizations - Orc Clans: What were the mechanics of the Sundering? Land can not just sink, and if magic did it, what did the magic do? I would like to know what happened exactly after the Sundering. Before it, we had an unique continent, and after it, many different pieces of landmass. What happened exactly? The landmass between the current continents sank, or only the are surrounding the Well of Eternity sank, meaning that the current continents are a result of plate tectonics movement? (think of Pangea and how it evolved into the current world, but at higher speed) The second option is the one that makes more sense, imo. Pushing the central landmass down makes the surrounding landmass move away, while the water level rises from the sinking of the central part. It's basic geology, but I don't know if it would work in a world of magic.
 * In Locations - Kalimdor: What were the mechanics of the Sundering? Land can not just sink, and if magic did it, what did the magic do? I would like to know what happened exactly after the Sundering. Before it, we had an unique continent, and after it, many different pieces of landmass. What happened exactly? The landmass between the current continents sank, or only the are surrounding the Well of Eternity sank, meaning that the current continents are a result of plate tectonics movement? (think of Pangea and how it evolved into the current world, but at higher speed) The second option is the one that makes more sense, imo. Pushing the central landmass down makes the surrounding landmass move away, while the water level rises from the sinking of the central part. It's basic geology, but I don't know if it would work in a world of magic.
 * I would be thankful--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Could you please correct these answers to make them more similar to the rest of them plz they have been there for clean-up for a while, and i would these tags gone, since i don't understand the intent of these questions, and you were the original creator of them, i think you're the one that should do it, please, sorry if it annoys you--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired
Your opinion is desired on this topic.

Thank you.

07:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Dragonkin Review
I'm currently doing a review on most creature dragonkin articles(current progress can be seen on Template talk:Dragonflightfooter at the bottom of the page the scratched ones are the one that i already did), could you please check them and see if there are any errors or mistakes? i'm trying to make these articles more like the Fire hawk article which is currently one of the best examples of this type of articles--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:59, 15 July 2011 (UTC)