Talk:Malygos

Old comments
Can anyone tell me if Malygos is seen anywhere in either in-game literature or in the novels, after the Demon Soul book? I'd really like to read up more on him.

I think you're out of luck- Blizzard ain't likely to put the Aspects in WoW, and it'll be years before we find out about the next strategy game. Krasus does an interesting bit of magic involving Malygos in The Sundering (War of the Ancients III), with a few more comments on his character. You might try the Sunwell Trilogy to see is they say anything about him (he is a blue dragon, after all). But basically: He's a practical joker up until the Demon Soul, then he's depressed for ten thousand years until Alextrasza and Korialstrasz restore the blue Flight.- Ragestorm

Artist?
Like I said over on the page for Nozdormu, it'd be nice to credit the artist of the piece that's displayed...--Darkfox190 11:26, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

Malygos and the Dragon Soul
I believe of all the Dragon Aspects that Malygos (Guardian of Magic) knew full well what Neltharion wielded. But to know that he trusted the Earth Warder that much as to be among the first to contribute his essence to the Dragon Soul reflects how reasonably insane he became in the future.


 * Hmm. It's possible that Malygos had an inkling, but, like you said, his trust in Neltharion as well as the imminent danger the Burning Legion presented weighed more to him than any inkling could've.  Oh, and don't forget to sign your posts when you make 'em.  -- Maenos 20:29, 1 December 2006 (EST)


 * Well, it's possible even Malygos got fooled by the soul's matrix. Remember the lines about Mafurion sending his spirit into the disc and what he found...Possible Malygos believed in the friendship too much to check the deeper secrets of the soul. Or Neltharion kept him cunningly from doing so...--Maibe 06:55, 2 December 2006 (EST)


 * The Demon Soul is (or was) the work of the Old Gods. The five of them fought on even ground with a number of Titans, each having elemental lieutenants.  Norgannon gave a portion of his power to Malygos.  Though such power is great compared to the mortal races, Norgannon's own power could, at best, be as powerful as a single Old God.  Number-wise, Malygos vs. the Old Gods could be easily 5% vs 75% (assuming each Old God gave 25% of their power and Norgannon gave only 5% of his own, which is possible as the Old Gods desperatly want to escape but the Titans are going from world to world, and so need to keep their powers up).  The Old Gods could, therefore, easily disguise its nature completely.

NOTE : Please do not compare the powers of the Old Gods with the Titans. It did not really took an army of titan to deafeat the Old Gods. Remember that the titans whoch gave the Aspects their powers are the members of the Pantheon, the ruler and most powerfull of the titans. Unless a real battle took place we cant say for sure if the Pantheon or the Old God are more powerful.

The are the points which I had noted after reading the WotA Trilogy and the Wiki pages: 1.) The Old Gods did was not directly involved in the making of the Demon Soul, which means that we do not know that if they did impart their essence of just manipulated Neltarion to create the Demon Soul.

2.) Ysera was not able to sense Neltharion going inside her domain of the Emerald dream despite the close prosimities of the two dragons. In light of this fact, i concluded that Neltarion has masked the Demon Soul's true nature to the dragon and most importantly the Aspects as he rightly think think that they are the only threat to his plan.

3.) Neltharion had not espect a mere mortal such as Malfurion to interfere with his plan so that he did not put up a defensive barriar against invasion from mortals. This can explains why Malfurion was able to realise the true nature of the D3emon Soul but Ysera could not. Further proven when Neltarion striaght away suspect the dragons stole his DS when Malfurion stole the DS.LoreFanBoy 05:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

War of the Ancients
Hmm... theres nothing in here about how Krasus(from the future of course) opened a rift in space to store some of the blue flights eggs. - Erissia

Yes there is. It's on page 496-7 of the WotA Archive. "The eggs were secure, placed in a pocket universe where time ran so slow as to be negligile". Jormungand01 (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Insect Form
There's mention of an insect-like form Malygos takes in Day of the Dragon as well. I have the book somewhere; as soon as I find it, I'll take the quote and put it here. From what I can remember, however, it doesn't sound much like a Nerubian.

A shimmering cloak encircled the bizarre figure, one that had no hood, but a collar that rose into great spikes at the back. '' Some more details are mentioned shortly afterwards: ''The stick-thin legs worked well on the snow and ice, the claws at the ends digging deep. Krasus was reminded of the poles men in the cold climes used to push themselves along on their skis. '' And even more: ''Malygos' form suddenly expanded in all directions, and his skin took on a reptilian cast. The coloring of that skin changed, too, from an icy white to a dark and frosty silver-blue. His limbs thickened and his visage grew longer, more draconic. Malygos did not complete the transformation, though, stopping at a point that left him resembling a horrific parody of dragon and insect, a creature of nightmare. '' --Shalkis 13:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * i believe your right. almost certain its decription is that of a bipedal creature. Warthok 20:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the description from Day of the Dragon:
 * ''The faceless wizard turned to see a bit of the ice on one wall pull away - and transform into something nearly akin to a man. Yet the legs were too thin, bent at too awkward an angle, and the body resembled more that of an insect. The head, too, had only a cursory resemblance to that of a human, for although there were eyes, nose, and mouth, they looked as if some artisan had started on a snow sculpture, then abandoned the idea as fruitless once the first marks of the features had been traced.

Has anyone seen fanart of the Aspects mortal forms? It's hard for me to visualize what they look like. --Austin P 15:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * WotA says Alex was beautiful, Ysera was etherial and sleepwalking, Malygos was crystal, Nozdormu was sand, and Deathy was rock and metal with jems (but later became molten and cracked and had to get plates to hold him together). I do not know about the mortal forms.-- 01:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Why does he turn into a bug? Mr.X8 01:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not? -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Malygos was a little mad. Outer self reflecting inner self, that kind of deal.--Austin P 03:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Didn't he turn into an insect form in order to befriend the Nerubians of Northrend? The Blue Dragonflight and the Nerubian Empire seems to have lived in peace throughout the centuries. --Odolwa 11:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt it. Most dragon's humanoid transformations (unless they are on a specific assignment) seems to have little more meaning than being aesteticly pleasing, or a race the dragon admires. Doesn't seem to be much deeper than that. Green are most often Night Elves (druid connection), Blues admire High Elves and Gnomes (both very intelligent races), etc...Malygos seems to simply like his insectoid manifestation, nothing has been meantioned about it at all. Might have something to do with his madness or not. I think people are putting a little too much thought into it and this is just one of those details that just is. Not every tiny detail in warcraft lore has to have a deep meaning.Warthok 19:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhabs a bit late to add something here, but the image in the text makes me rather think of what you see in a fun/distortion mirror. It would suit the idea of appaereance refelcting the warped mind--Maibe (talk) 17:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing the form he takes is that of a Nerubian vizier. Lckyluke372 (talk) 20:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

They can probably take on any form they want. Korialstrasz for example is normally high elf when in mortal form, but has been known to appear as an orc. Alexstrasza was a night elf in WotA but now appears as a high elf. There's no reason why one of them couldn't take on the appearance of an insectoid if so they wished. Jormungand01 (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Malygos as a antagonist?
The lore panel at Blizzcon mentioned that Malygos is starting a "war against magic", and that "This world must be purified!". Does anyone have any specifics or a link to the full transcript of the lore panel? --Shalkis 13:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * From what little information there is so far, it seems like we are going to have to fight the Blue Dragonflight and god forbid Malygos himself :( I really really hope we don't have to fight or kill him. He's gone through way too much. It seems very lazy to have another creature go insane and need to be put down.


 * I've also read that the red flight will be involved in supporting the mortal races. I wonder what Korialstrasz has to say about all this? Being that he pretty much saved the blues himself... I really hope he will be in the xpack.Nathanmaxtro 05:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * From the lore panel at BlizzCon, it appears that Malygos had become affected by the physiology of the Netherwing flight, which will be present at Northrend. Rather than becoming more insane, Malygos has effectively become *less* insane - he basically returns to sanity, notices for the first time that the world around him is crawling with little mages recklessly tossing magic every which way, and declares war on the infidels. -- 16:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * so i just added the info from blizzcon lore panel. quick question for the mods. how do we cite this? does it need a specualtion or disclaimer type banner over it?Warthok 21:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * He was already supposed to have had his sanity returned to him in Day of the Dragon. In the RPG he's been "sane" for a while now.Baggins 22:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How could 25 people ever kill an ASPECT? Malygos was empowered by the titan Norgannon himself, and is surely one of the most powerful creatures to ever set foot on Azeroth. Seriously Blizzard, this is weak. Another beloved character to go "insane". --Odolwa 23:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Who said we got to kill him? The raid could be something more creative. Addendum: the Kirin Tor would never assign someone to kill an Aspect. Not even they know what would happen if one of their number were destroyed.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 00:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Well Ragestorm, that would make sense. But after Illidan was killed as an ordinary boss, nothing will surprise me anymore. I never believed they could let a beloved character as Illidan die, and it was quite a shock. --Odolwa 11:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * KIlling a popular character is extremely different from violating the lore. Not saying it won't happen, but you can't make the assumption- it's two entirely different situations.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Lands of Mystery claims that the Blue Dragonflight is proud of the advancements mortals have made in the study of magic, and describes the flight as fairly friendly.

Oh well. Both versions make about equal sense. --Austin P 15:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, first of all, Illidan isn't taken down by just 25 man, it's cause Maiv and Akkama both take part in the fight aswell that he is killable. Thinking about fighting an aspact with 25 I guess it'll be simmilar, since Alexx has still a debt to pay to Rohin she or maby Krasus and Rohin will probable take part in the fight to just defeat Malygos and it will be highly probable that they won't kill them, since there is as far as I know probable a "White Dragonflight" they might be involved somehow to. I posted something about the white's on the "dragon" page at the discussion board --CaiuNariz

Now, this is just sheer madness. Malygos wants to limit the use of magic, and that's the same thing that the night elves want, right? Yet of course night elves will be fighting him because...well, he's there. And he's killable or defeatable, and he drops stuff.

Next thing you know they'll be coming up with an excuse for us to kill and loot Greatfather Winter. *sigh* --Illidan Rocks 03:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed...wait you don't think Greatfather Winter would drop a reindeer mount do ya? Oh imma go farm his...wait what were we talkin about again?Warthok 03:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not sic each Greatfather Winters on each other and then kill the winner?Baggins 03:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Put me down for 2g on the orc Greatfather Winter!--Illidan Rocks 06:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Instead of killing Malygos, who is pretty much stupid, as the Burning Legion is already here... We will probably 'defeat' him and 100% Cure him of being insane... le sigh Shiniki


 * yes but not in force. Demons in Winterspring, Desolace, and Blasted Lands are scattered survivors of the third war that weren't massacred by the armies of the horde and alliance. The Burning Legion still wants azeroth, as you can see via the battle at the dark portal. as long as arcane practicioners remain using their magic unhindered it increases the danger of another invasion (i.e. weaking of the "wall" between worlds like at dalaran and karazhan, more beings falling into corruption and willing to summon, etc...). I agree with you however that defeating him makes a lot more sense than killing him outright. Possibly he might see sense or be willing to comprimise. 20:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sad thing is (I don't want to sound nagging here, but...) So far there is only one out of a few dozen bosses who gets to survive the raid sent for him in a way: Kel'Thuzad. And from Blizzard's behaviour concerning logic, lore and loot it's doubtful he'll keep that status after naxxramas 2.0, not to speak of malygos who's head will likely be hung in Dalaran just so some 24/7 raiders can feel great about beeing the first ones to ruin logic and lore completely...(/rant)--Maibe 23:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Just a plain thought, but how could Arthas be more stronger than an Aspect of Magic? Blizzard said that Arthas is no chump, and he would be the last and the hardest boss in the WOTLK. Isn't an aspect stronger (and tougher?)than the Lich King? This just confused me.--User:Eldriant


 * Going by simple logic, Malygos should be...as lorewise Arthas/Ner'zhul never ran a war against the nexus. What likely shows some kind of respect before the blue aspect. And, likely, it might actually be the same as with the nerubians: Ner'zhul couldn't enslave them, so he waited until they died and rose their corpses to serv him. And seeing where frostwyrms come from...we can likely say logic and lore-wise Malygos would be stronger.--Maibe (talk) 05:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Lore wise Malygos would be much stronger. Perhaps in game its easier to kill him because Alexstrasza helps? And against arthus it'd either be jaina or sylvanas helping, from what i've heard, so it should be harder to kill him. -- --1201 (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2008 (U

ppl says that magic should not kill him, and that might be true but it would somehow be able to hurt him still which explains that we can use spells against him, and we might would have killed him if the red dragonflight would not have showed up, so without those he might not have been killable

Killing an Aspect = Catastrophe?
I've heard discussion in the past in regards to what would happen if an Aspect were to die, and most people are of the belief that killing an Aspect might have dire ramifications on the element in which they were intended to guard, as it were. For instance, as Deathwing (despite the fact that he's a raving, genocidal lunatic) is the Aspect of Earth and thus had control over stuff like volcanoes and what have you, it's thought that killing him would result in a world-wide cataclysm that would make the Sundering look like a stone skipping across a pond.

Which brings me to Malygos, the Guardian of Magic. As he is confirmed to be a raid boss - the first Aspect to be encountered, and fought, by players - the question remains: If he is killable, what effect could his death have on the world's magic...even necromancy, debased (in the Blues' eyes) as it may be? --Joshmaul 05:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt Blizzard's going to make him killable, even is he's a raid boss. Alexstraza or Ysera will probably show up at the last moment and heal or neutralize him, or else the players won't be fighting the real Malygos. If Blizzard kills him, they'll have backed themselves into a very small corner. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 13:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Aspects are just guardians in my view. Killing them won't have any effect on the particular thing that they have control over. The world existed fine before there were aspects anyway. Killing Malygos just means the world will have lost a protector of magic, the magic will still be around. That said, I don't think Blizzard intends for him to die, more likely he will be redeemed. --Raze 14:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Err... No offense, but your view isn't the one that matters. It's also established that Aspects are both guardians and embodiments of their domains. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Lol I don't really care whether my views matter or not, no need to take it so serious. Though I wouldn't mind some references to where it has been "established" that they are "embodiments". --Raze 14:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Can't see anything bad happening if a aspect dies when thats the reason they have heirs. Leviathon 17:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Problem is, Anachronos is the only confirmed Heir. We make assumptions as to the others, but we don't really know who Malygos's is. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 17:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Why are all the shifting sands dragons listed as the presumed heirs?-- 17:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The precise wording of when the Titans installed the Aspects escape me, but I would assume the Aspects are not that powerful. They regulate the things they were given guardianship over, but they aren't those things. For example, Malygos is not literally Magic, Nozdormu is not literally Time, Deathwing is not literally the Earth, etc. I envision them more like a bunch of dragons who are Green Lanterns. Killing Malygos is certainly a very believable possibility, with Illidan being killable and all. However at the end of the day this is a game though, and games need money, and money usually means bringing old characters back unless you have clever writers... And clever writing costs alot of time and money. --- Zexx 17:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Both of which Blizzard have in abundance. Well, money, anyway... --Joshmaul 20:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * In WotA Nozdormu appears to be very very powerful, pretty much holding time together. If he disappeared, it would be catastrophic, since the Old Gods would probably gain free reign again. Anyway, Malygos would be odd to kill as we have little reason to do so atm, apart from that he dislikes mages. Perhaps the war will be made out to be something very big in Northrend, but he's hardly an ebodiment of 'evil' or similar, just a bit crazy and angry. 20:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I dunno, he's credited as being Lawful Neutral in Shadows & Light, and if you ask me that's a hell of a lot scarier than any evil. Simply put, Lawful Neutral characters throw morals to the wind in the name of justice and what they think it right.  Where a Lawful Good character  ( like Uther )  would say no to a corrupt king's order to murder a cursed child and a Lawful Evil character  ( like Kel'Thuzad )  would do so only because he could get away with it and it furthers him, a Lawful Neutral character would do so simply because he was told to without once questioning morals.

Bu~ut, like Rage and everyone else said when Malygos story-dies he'll probably have someone to take over for him ( Kalecgos?  Didn't pay too much attention to this discussion... ).  All the players will probably do is "get in his way" like they did with Illidan. And Hogger. . Hey, shouldn't we include a character's moral and ethical alignments on their respective pages, with a little stub describing them all? I'm not sure what good it'd do but we've already got their classes, dates of birth, and social security numbers. I think it'd be kind of neat to show people where their favortie characters stand on the good/evil, lawful/chaotic axis ( in addition to this being the Wiki everyone relies on for information ). --Super Bhaal 21:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

People long speculated that Illidan would be redeemed, but everyone was being let down. I really hope that Malygos won't die, but don't be too certain about his survival. --Odolwa 22:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It has long been speculated that killing the Aspects would simultaneously destroy their domains. The problem, though, is that there isn't a single shred of evidence for this in any piece of Warcraft lore.  While this sort of thing has been done innumerable times in other works of fantasy (such as in Final Fantasy 5), that isn't an indication that it applies to Azeroth as well... and given how many ways Blizzard has made Azeroth DIFFERENT from traditional fantasy, I think that makes it even less likely for it to be the case.  There is, however, evidence that killing the Aspects will NOT destroy their domains.  Nozdormu, for example, has named an heir.  Not only that, but he even knows the exact time and manner of his own death.  Such a thing would be meaningless if his death meant the end of existence (and destroying time would pretty much be just that).  Then there's Deathwing, and from what we've seen the other Aspects seem to have no issues with killing him.  Hell, in Day of the Dragon, Alexstrasza very nearly DID kill him.  If the Aspects themselves apparently don't have any problems with killing each other, then I think it's safe to assume that the biggest effect the death of one would have on the world would be the massive crater from the corpse falling to the ground. -- Dark T Zeratul 06:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * According to some of the lore just killing a dragon could can cause earthquakes, and other natural disasters, and the like (not seeable in wow). So potentially there is a possibility that some kind of catastrophe could happen. How earth shattering it would be is unknown.Baggins 06:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Pf, if earthquakes were the only problem imagine all the Titan stuff the dwarves might find unearthed by them. --Super Bhaal 07:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh heh. Don't give the dwarves any ideas ;).Baggins 07:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * i think the aspects protect the domains they are on charge of, and if they die by any means, any evil creature can start causing chaos and destruction in that domain without worrying about a guardian. so the danger is what will happen after the aspect dies not if it dies, well thats what i think, might be wrong or right. mostly thats not 100% right but who can tell what blizz really means? :P
 * if malygos is killable its gonna suck, he just gained a bit of sanity and is angry of the mortals irresponsible usage of magic, he is trying to protect his domain, i believe its gonna be enough to fight him to calm him down and show him the truth, in a way the use of magic cant be stopped if we wanna fight back, or something like that. it would be really nice if we calm malygos, explain things, and he helps us fighting the lich king. --lucifersama 18:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It is actually mentioned that an aspect is tied to the powers they guard. In WotA, Krasus mentioned that Nozdormu was both a viction and saviour. If it wasn't for him, whole reality would collapsed and his would would not have existed referring to Azeroth.
 * That's because the Old Gods were attempting to unmake the future, not because it would collapse upon itself without Nozdormu's presence. After all, if that was the case, then why did time exist before the Titans made Nozdormu the Keeper of Time? -- Dark T Zeratul 06:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Time was regulated to Nozdormu, just as it was with all the Aspects. I take it that they do more then simply guard their realms. Notice hoe 'Earth' was remained constant since the War of Ancients. Neltharion could have been in the way of the Old Gods' plans, thus they(it?) drove him mad with thoughts of power. It was his domain in which they were imprisoned.

Simularly, Magic suffers from Malygos' absense. The laws of reality are being altered with the birth of undead. I see his war more on foul magics like necromancy which seeped into the world during the first, second and third wars. The instability of the Sunwell, corrupted Moonwells, failed Rune Stones and fel tainted forests. This is what Malygos is waking up too. And all becouse of the Highborne mortals... Where was I? Oh, Azeroths' magic grew with Maylgos' tender care, much like a tended plant. Imay be able to survive his absence, but it relies on his existence for stability. I'm afraid what a magicly unstable Azeroth would look like. Outland perhaps? And by extension, the other Realms depend on their Aspect as they have grown up supported by them. Even Earth, or the physical plane which is Neltharion's realm. He may have given up his position, but Earth suffers from his absence. Parts of the this discussion, such as the major opinions should posted somewhere public.--Rush 07:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the results of Neltharion's leaving may differ from the results of somebody killing Malygos. Up to this point, we only know of one single guardian of magic itself. Malygos. As for Earth, there are many different entities as its guardian. The Tauren Earthmother, The Shamanistic Spirit of the Earth, etc. Neltharion going away probably just results in a bigger workload for these other Earth guardians and sometimes, things that are supposed to stay underground slip out (C'thun and the Faceless Ones). Not to mention, Neltharion is still around so the Aspect of the Earth is technically still there.
 * Unless there is some other uber-powerful entity regulating magic, Malygos' death might result in a catastrophe of unimaginable proportions. Since the War of the Ancients, magic has already gotten out of hand. Ley-lines of Azeroth are screwed up (Look at Karazhan and the Sanctums in Eversong/Ghostland). Demon summoning. Dark Portals. Necromancy. Killing Malygos may make magic go even more chaotic and uncontrollable. --Invin Dranoel 20:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I personnally do not believe that Blizzard will make Malygos killable and instead will prob have something like Illidan where you get him to 1% and Alextrasza / Nozdormu / Ronin will port in and convince him that nowadays magic users are actually needed or that his help against the scourge would be of more use than attacking the Mortal races of Azeroth... mind you as has also been said didn't expect Illidan to be killed off so soon / easily. So they might very well kill Mally. And as for the theory that killing an aspect may cause chaos in there area of guardianship, I'm not quite sure, but the answer may only be proved when an aspect is undeniably dead to see the reaction occur.


 * It should also probably be noted, even if he died, since he is an Eternal he could probably return in time, after he regenerates.Baggins 05:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, he is gonna be killable. And I don't think that is that bad for the lore as some people think. The death of important characters is part of the act of creating a story and making it evolve, what in my opinion would be bad for the game, and for the story, would be redeeming every single character that the players don't want to kill, or avoiding their deaths just because the people think is too soon / easy. Blizzard creates the game, and so the story, and so decides the moments for the dead of its characters, whether we like it or not. Besides that, the death of and Malygos doesn't have to mean necessarily the end of the Aspect, someone else could be charged with that responsibility (the name Tyrigosa comes to my mind...).--Morgaur (talk) 18:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Im pretty sure Alexstsraa or whatever shes called comes in the end of the fight when Maly is weak and then a Lore-scene-thing comes up and she explains all sort of weird stuff, and why they shouldnt kill him or why its safe, and when hes mind is good again or his dead there will be some crap hinting to that Deathwing is possible to defeat, go after him blablabla :p Ofel


 * I think so too, that Alexstrasza would help the mages attack Malygos is alrady a stretch, but help them kill him? In the eyes of most Night Elves, and perhaps many other non-arcane magic using people Malygos sounds like he is doing the right thing in removing access to it. Why sould they help Dalaran in keeping the gates open for the legion, sustaining the Lich King's grasp over the land, all for the sake of some addicted mages? ;) --Hurax (talk) 12:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

If Malygos dies then the Blues choose a new Aspect. There's his son Arygos for example, who is currently in Ahn'Qiraj. Jormungand01 (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They just choose a new Aspect? What proof have you for this? We know Nozdormu will die, but the titans chose them the first time.-- 23:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No proof. It's just common sense. Why else would the Aspects bother having heirs? And if you were a Titan granting part of your unimaginable power to an Aspect would you be prepared to risk all that power being lost forever the moment the Aspect died? Furthermore we already know that dragons can give their essences to other objects - see Demon Soul. Why not to each other?Jormungand01 (talk) 09:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * We seriously need a speculation page for Malygos...And well, you people are aware that Korial asks you to bring an oject maybe/likely holding a good amount of malygos' power to prove he's dead instead of his head?--Maibe (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So then someone else starts to wield that power to carry on keeping magic in check. That person effectively becomes the next Blue Aspect. So long as they're a blue dragon there is no rule against them being promoted to Aspect. Jormungand01 (talk)18:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have seen no rules for or against anything.-- 18:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well Malygos, Alexstrasza and Ysera has heirs, they got closed in Ahn'qiraj but are still alive. And maybe Alexstrasza said she could kill Deathwing because if he died the earth might have gotten catastrophic but imagine what would have happened if she said she didnt want to kill him


 * Those were just children, not actualy confirmed heirs. Malygos has lots of children. 04:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well,killing an Aspect? If you want to take his head you need what sword? Your idiot earthen sword cant even hurt him in lore. Hurt him with magic? You need a whole lot big magic to hurt an Aspect of magic (must be more than what the titans granted him). Like Deathwing, even with his great power, he cant escape Malygos' magic. Alexstrasza cant solo Deathwing. (evidence from Day of the Dragons) So if Alexstrasza wants to kill Malygos, she needs to call Ysera or Nozdormu for help. In the War of Ancients, the Aspects are Powerful enough to wipe out a whole army of undead, so 10 players? Nahh, not more than grasses in his eye. If he really dies, whoever is the heir, dont have the power granted by the titans, they dont have the power to maintain the flow of magic. Malygos is so weak? he cant kill 10/25 lving things? I think the Blizzard is ruining the game. A dragon aspect can hold everyone with only a shout (evidence in Beyond the Dark Portal when Deathwing shouted hold at the orcs), so he can just shout hold and swallow all the players, all too easy.My think is: Malygos is just cured from insane from the fight because nothing on Azeroth can kill him (does not include titans and Sargeras and Old Gods and two Aspects together) Ursoc and Ursol

hmm, correct (Leet)
 * The problem with all of your examples is that they use Deathwing, who up until the very end of Day of the Dragon was empowered by the Demon Soul, making him more powerful than all of the other aspects combined. Once the artifact was destroyed Alextrasza very nearly DID kill him by herself, with a single attack no less. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:39, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

The Second War
This section claims that Alextrasza reunited the remaining blue dragons. I have my doubts on this. In the books, exactly how Alextrasza couldn've helped repopulate the blue dragonflight is not elaborated on. Both Malygos and Krasus aren't positive that she could do it, although Krasus believed that there was a good chance. In War of the Ancients Krasus says that the plan has barely gotten underway. These descriptions seem a little dramatic to apply to the task of just rounding up the wandering dragons.

In other words, is there a source backing those statements up, or is it just misinterpretation and speculation? --Austin P 16:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The implication is that because Alexstrasza is the Aspect of Life, she could possibly provide a way to replenish Malygos' destroyed dragonflight. The plan by Krasus in the War of the Ancients - taking some of Malygos' eggs before Neltharion/Deathwing betrayed the other flights - was to ensure that there would still be blue dragons in the future. Not a whole lot, but there would be some, at least. (Hence why Kalec, Tyri, etc. are in the Warcraft universe of today. One of the changes to the timeline that Nozdormu approved.) Not sure if this answers your question... --Joshmaul 08:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

And now in the expansion we are gonna kill the remaining few blue dragons still existing, including Malygos himself. Sometimes I wonder what Blizzard is thinking, if they even are thinking at all. Krasus hard work will all be in vain. --Odolwa 09:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt we get to kill Kalecgos and Tyragosa.--Gurluas 11:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * We are, Odolwa? I think you are assuming too much ... 19:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

No, my question is in regards to the statement that Alexstrasza replenished the flight by gathering up the remaining blue dragons, which is neither stated nor implied in anything I've read. I'm going to remove it soon if no one objects. --Austin P 03:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * According to one of the WotA trilogy books, Krasus headed to...wherever the hell it is Malygos lived and stashed some eggs that hadn't died in a pocket or something. I think Alexstrasza told him to.  Memory on that's kind of hazy.  --Super Bhaal 03:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

No, that was Krasus' decisiom.--Austin P 11:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It's been confirmed that Nexus will be a raid-dungeoun, in which we are gonna face the Blue Dragonflight, and eventually Malygos himself. Sad, but true. --Odolwa 12:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't mean he's going to die.--Austin P 12:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, hopefully not. But even if he doesn't, we will probably kill a lot of ordinary Blue Dragons in the instances, decimating the already low number of Blue Dragons further. --Odolwa 14:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Unless it's similar to Ony or Mag's lair. Run in, fight the boss, run out.Tweak the Whacked 21:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Tyri and the Nether Drakes
I don't understand how the nether drakes brought by Tyri cured Malygos of his insanity. Mr.X8 01:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they will explain it when the game comes out.-- 01:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

From what I understand, I think the nether radiation they gave off must have somewhere cured him.Mr.X8 05:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

It's been said that this will be explained in the Burning Crusade manga coming next year. ArrantPrac 05:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * For as it looks now it's a bit hard to belief...I mean malygos would rather sense what the nether dragons are: Black dragons 'corrupted' and mutated by the energies of the nether and therefor, likely, the legion....I doubt he'll like that...--Maibe 23:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, netherdrakes don't seem to suffer from the insanity and inherent evil of the black dragonflight. They aren't corrupted, they're simply altered. They aren't evil, atleast not as a race. If the engergies could cure them of an insanity brought on by the old gods, then it could probably cure Malygos of an insanity brought on by the depression, dispair, and shock of seeing his dragonflight nearly destroyed.Tweak the Whacked 21:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Keristrasza
You'd think the "good dragon mind controlled by evil forces needs you to kill him/her" story line would have gotten a little old by now. Just a thought. ;) Dalead (talk) 07:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, Malygos isn't really evil, he's just still crazy and the rest of the blue flight are most likely in denial about it --Saphiredragon89 (talk) 02:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What makes you wonder is : Why does he actually want to mate with Keri? I think we can assume that before Tyri returned with the nether drakes and made Malygos finally loose it (though they call it sanity) alexstrasza revived a few of his mates (as promised/indicated). So, what did he actually need Keri for? He has Haleh, Sara and who knows who else....Do we have a special speculation page for these questions?--Maibe (talk) 17:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I just can't get over the way blizzard has portrayed him as a "good guy doing bad things because he believes they are right" while at the same time making him a rapist. Lckyluke372 (talk) 20:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is that you're applying human behavioral thoughts to a decidedly non-human being. It's entirely possible (and, I think, quite probable) that the entire mate/consort dynamic of dragons is such that such a situation (taking another dragon as consort in revenge for a slain one) is not, in fact, considered rape to their kind. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, Haleh isnt actuallt Malygos consort, just an guardian who helps him to look after artifacts,it is said that the Blue dragonflight often keeps it to one Consort which would be Saragosa so when she died Malygos took Keristraza in her place, why he picked a red dragon i dont know, maybe to humiliate Alextrazsa or something.

Ok i understand Keristasza is still a dragon but, A Red Dragon won't work with a Blue Dragon, one thing could be that the Blues are Frost Breathing and Reds are Fire Breathing, second genetically it can't work EVEN if Malygos infuses her or her Eggs with his DNA then its no longer Pure Blue, or Red t will be a Hybrid(ok i recently done at Biology the genetics :P).If someone has a better explanation why Blue and Red XXX would work then please enlighten me, --DarckArchon Might of Aiur 18:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Dragon, no mather red or blue are still one only specie, so why couldn't they breed toghether ? don't forget about the chromatic (althought they were "chemicaly crafted").
 * Beside our common genetical principes do not apply here. So some species can cross-breed (Humans & High-Elves, Humans & Night-Elves, Orcs & Draenei, Orcs & Ogres, etc...).
 * 18:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * We find out for a fact dragons of different flights can mate, just don't, in Night of the Dragon. DNA, genetics, etc...is all entirely irrelevent. THe explaination is this: because. 19:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Malygos fate unknown?
I found this achievement on wowhead: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=413 I'm not sure if this is enough to state in the article that Malygos is killed. (I don't think so: They could do it similiar as with Kael'thas and simply revive him.) Is this already testable in the Beta? --Lynos (talk) 20:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not. The achievement would be referred to as a kill regardless of whether or not he officially dies. -- Ragestorm  (talk &middot; contr) 21:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a spoiler but.... Alexstrasza does kill Malygos. Went looking into the sound files after the recent patch and this is the larger part of what she says. This resolution pains me deeply, but the destruction, the monumental loss of life had to end. Regardless of Malygos recent transgressions I will mourn his loss. He was once a guardian, a protector. This day one of the worlds mightiest has fallen. Leviathon (talk) 08:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Tell me you're lying?! I will not stand for this! You can't just kill an Aspect!! :s --WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 10:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

He's not, go to the quotes of Alexstrasza; I added the part concerning Malygos's Death.Dragola (talk) 10:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In my opinion these quotes need to be moved to Malygos(Tactics) as they are part of the encounter.--Afaslizo (talk) 11:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree about what Afaslizo wrote. But to continue; I see no logic in how 10 persons will be able to kill an Aspect! Besides, it would be most foolish to kill an aspect, considering how that will affect the balance of the world.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 12:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This gets cleared up if you read what Alexstrasza said; she looks at it as a loss, to prevent an even greater loss. So Malygos's death is a terrible thing, but the things he would do if he continued living, would be even worse. And we get serious support from the Red Dragonflight, so that explains why we'll be able to kill 'm. Dragola (talk) 12:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

In that case, Korialstrasz' efforts in saving the Blue dragonflight (by bringing blue dragon eggs from the past to the future) in War of the Ancients, was totally in vein! My favorite dragonflight is now doomed for extinction =( --WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 12:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, since there will be no new eggs it will eventually become extinct. Also; Alexstrasza is personally involved so Malygos will die lore-wise (like Illidan, and unlike Wyrmthalak for example). Dragola (talk) 12:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

In honor of these deeds, Alexstrasza's title should be changed from "She Who is Life" to "She Who is Death" or "She who murders a fellow aspect just that a bunch of power-hungry mortals don't have to cut down on their addiction, and can continue their business and summon the Burning Legion into Azeroth once more." --Hurax (talk) 12:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Even if the Kirin Tor (and other factions) would refuse to use magic anymore, then that still wouldn't be enough. Only death would do according to Malygos. By slaying him, Alexstrasza took one life to save many, many lives and she restored the balance of the leylines. (If they would all be depleted, that would be truly catastrophic.) Dragola (talk) 12:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

You'd think i'd be upset most of all (if you don't understand see my contributions) but meh, i saw this coming. Hoped it wouldn't but can't really say i'm surprised, or even that upset. 12:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Now it will be interesting to see if a heir to Malygos is chosen. Leviathon (talk) 14:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Two things people seem to be ignoring. First, Malygos is not the only blue dragon who can produce children. Second, there's no evidence that the death of an Aspect destroys their "domain," despite how many people automatically assume that it does. In all likelihood, Malygos's powers and responsibilities will simply be passed on to another of his flight, possibly Tyri or Kalec. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:57, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I know throughout the rpg it implies that there can be heirs to the Aspects (whatever that entails). The exact details are unclear however. I tcould mean that they just pass on leadership, but not their power. Plus its assumed that you can kill Eternals, but its unlikely you could kill their souls. It could take millenia before they regenerate back to their original power.Baggins (talk) 23:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I doubt anyone will be able to replace Malygos. Wouldn't that require the titan Norgannon to infuse his powers into yet another blue dragon? At least I can't see that happen ever. But I don't agree about what Dragola wrote: "Also; Alexstrasza is personally involved so Malygos will die lore-wise (like Illidan, and unlike Wyrmthalak for example". How many characters havn't been retconned back to life, even when they have been personally killed by a lore-character? Arthas slew Baelgun, and yet he lives. And this is just one example! No, there is no guarantee for Malygos being permanently dead.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 23:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

And maybe Muradin. Still, the world's mightiests are dying left and right and left again. Darigaaz the Igniter (talk) 02:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That is most true, I'm sure it won't be long until characters like Deathwing or Malfurion Stormrage come on the chopping block--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 16:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Most certainly. If Blizzard can kill off Malygos, they can kill of anyone! If the Emerald Dream ever become an instance, I'm sure both Malfurion, Cenarius and Ysera will have been "corrupted" by the Nightmare (and instead of rescuing them, we have to kill them of course) x) In the end no Dragon Aspects will be left alive. Way to go Blizzard! --WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh please. I can't say that I'm thrilled by this, but death happens.  We knew it was possible for Aspects to die, and by the looks of it, Maly had it coming. He was going to kill millions with his rearranging of the ley-lines.  No one respects the authors right to kill characters.  Honestly, I see this as Blizzard continuing the theme they stated at the end of W3, the world doesn't need guardians.  Mortals are going to step up to the plate and be responsible for their own world.  It's happening slowly, but it's happening.  Oh, and Malygos has a child who is likely his heir: Arygos.  If Anachronos is Nozdormu's heir, it's not to much of a stretch to think that Arygos is Maly's heir. Meneldir (talk) 18:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point, perhaps we will see Arygos return now that his father has fallen and he will be named the new ruler of the Blues. But on that note what about Alexstrasza? Her death, as the aspect of life, could hold far greater consequence then Malygos', a world devoid of magic is very different from a world devoid of life.--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 05:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Again, I must reference the fact that we know Nozdormu is going to die. Does that mean it's the end of all time?  No, as he has an heir set up.  Life will go on.  Thus, Malygos' death is hardly the end of magic, and Alexstrasza's poetential death won't cause everyone to die. Meneldir (talk) 13:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

This is your official non-editorial warning-- Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Some of those theories displease me. Surely kill Mlygos will be another stupid thing blizz always do on all their games (you'll probably kill Tyrael on Diablo 3) Olh heroes die now as mad corrupted bad guys, yeah, it'sat sad. But anyway, Malygos is the guardian of all magic, doesn't mean he is the magic, it was there before him and for sure it will remain without him, same for Alextrasza and life. Still it will be sad, he's one of my favorites I felt so sad when i readed "the demon soul" for the first time and saw how he was before his madness :/ Azahel (talk) 19:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have the bad bad bad bad (and so on) feeling we will meet him again as frostwyrm...--Maibe (talk) 20:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you people not see the "This is your official non-editorial warning" Rage posted? If it's not about making a change to the article, don't post, it doesn't matter. 21:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Then what does the warning mean? I'm quite sure many of us didn't grasp that.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 21:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a warning that the discussion is turning into a non-editorial one. Talk pages are for discussing the improvement of the pages, not personal opinions and ideas. 22:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Admittedly, I made the assumption that the people in the discussion were familiar with the fact that I frequently go around halting non-editorial conversations- some people may not be aware of this, I allow, but I'm pretty sure you've seen me do that before, Odolwa.
 * Anyway, the long version: This is a non-editorial discussion, please take it elsewhere, this is not a forum, etc. The above was a warning that I'd be removing the discussion if it continued. This warning is being re-issued since the previous one was not conveyed properly. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 20:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey! i dont mind if he kills some mages, i hate them anyway

What if Malygos' heart which is seen after killing him in the eye of eternity keeps all his aspect's power and can be infused into another blue dragon forming another blue dragon aspect to replace malygos...that would make sense...a new blue dragon aspect, only in body but not in power and soul-those remain the same -Santinell

Screenshot
Is it just me, or has anybody noticed that the screenshot of Maly looks slightly transparent? Not the screenshot, but the actual dragon.Potato1 (talk) 19:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That particular screenshot may be just a projection of the Spell-Weaver rather than him actually being physically present. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There was a discussion at the WMV boards about this, too. One of the posters said something about Malygos appearing semi-transparent in many of the novels.  It's been a while since I've read them so I wouldn't remember.  --Super Bhaal (talk) 21:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * He was crystal-like.-- 22:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct. Ysera and Nozdormu appeared semi-transparent AFAIR--Maibe (talk) 22:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Are we sure that he IS going to die?
Yes, normally it looks like Malygos is dying in the encounter in the Eye of Eternity. But have you noticed that rather than dropping dead, he falls in to the abyss beneath the instance? He may be not dead, although everyone thinks such. I do not have any proof about this unfortunately but may be it can be discussed to rather including in the article or not.Neltharion (talk) 00:46, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The droping into the abyss instead of a traditional death is almost certainly because of a lack of the floor rather than as a way of possibly leaving him alive (though still possible). The confirmation of his death comes more from Alexstrasza's parting words rather than the player's actions and Malygos's exit. In my opinion the article should stay as such until someone can come up with a convincing enough arguement against it (No one wishes malygos was still alive than myself btw). 00:57, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Although you can be right, maybe the whole floor crash event in the fight is just for creating an abyss for him to fall down rather than leaving a corpse behind (which will solidify the fact that he is dead), to leave a question mark in people's minds to imply that he may be still alive. Also, it is really weird that the death of the Spell-Weaver did not affect anything or anybody even one bit. I do not expect the end of the world, but at least some sort of thing should have happened resulting his death. Anyway I am just merely speculating here. Neltharion (talk) 01:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I would agree if it wasnt for the red dragonflight (drakes we ride on) showing up. i think the floor disappearing served as an entrance for them rather than an escape for Malygos. The falling animation was most likely used since it had already been made to use for the dying dragons around coldarra and wyrmrest. 01:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Well you never see a body so there still is a chance that he is alive. EDIT: And Deathwing was thought to be killed many times and so far has survived all his "deaths", so it wouldn't be that hard for Malygos as a fellow aspect to end up still alive. JarHed (talk) 00:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Before a mod tells you: This is not a forum. That aside, Alexstrasza takes the heart of magic FROM his body...it's not his actual heart, but still.--Maibe (talk) 03:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless theres an actual bit of information hinting at his survival no edits meantioning it will be included. "It's possible" is not sufficent evidence, or any at all. 04:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Yea the heart of Magic confirms that even tho it isnt his heart, it says that Alexsztrasa recovered it from his body, which means she must have inspected him to make sure he was dead, and she if anyone should who is dead and who is alive

Alexstrasza, her love for the living being very strong, could very well keep Malygos alive in secret. After all the pain that Malygos has wrecked recently, it would probably not had been popular if Alexstrasza simply let him go in front of the raid. Instead Alexstrasza could have imprisoned him somehow. As you have also have mentioned, we don't actually see Malygos' corpse or loot him, and it's specifically written that the Heart of Magic is not Malygos' real beating heart. A bit too many hints if you ask me =) I really want to believe Malygos survived and somehow made amends for his actions. We'll just have to wait and see!--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 13:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Note that all aspects have status of The Eternal, just like demigods, though most of demigods were slain during War of he ancients some of them managed to regenerate. Also the nexus isn´t place where you can aplly laws of any reality. Even so Medivh was also considered dead(in fact he was killed by Lothar and Khadgar) If a Tirisfalen guardian can be brought back, there is nothing preventing for an aspect to be ressurected. (even after years have passed) Sargeras´s soul is banished somewhere also. And as I have read the conclusion- titan is so powerful that bringing him back eccedes even full power of Burning Legion. It seem that all it is required to survive is powerful mind. And little help from the other side.--Paeris (talk) 12:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I am really disappointed about his death,expecially the first time i heard about it.I don't think Blizzard is in meaning to make he live again,as they prefer to act with better notices,like the return of Mal'ganis or something more direct.Anyway it is right that in any future Titan's expansion the great might of the Spell-weaver may come to surface again.An other positive option is about Alextrasza:she will never agree in Malygos's death.And i also hope that,even if Malygos is dead,his spirit can still come to Azeroth (Azuregos did actually the same,or almost),or some other strange way,being an Eternal he should be able to watch over Azeroth again...I really hope he is not dead,but,anyway,his status must remain as written till we don't have any certain proof.The bad news remains,because i think that Blizzard is in willing to destroy the Aspects...We'll see.Malygos Helper (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Malygos' Heir?
Let us say that for the sake of argument, Malygos has died for real. What'll happen to the Blue Dragonflight? Will they continue their self-destructive war against magic? Or will an heir to Malygos arise to try and bring the flight back to its senses?


 * Wowwiki is not a forum. Talk pages are for discussing changes to the article only. 22:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

i wonder if you guys ever get tired of writing that over and over again. --1201 (talk) 12:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

They probably have it to the point where they just copy it and paste it, or something. --&quot;The Scourge shall prevail!&quot; - Scourge-Lord Morec (talk) 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

ill bet you wont notice it in game. In-lore his heir might be Tyrygosa who has been titled as "prncess of the blue dragonflight" Noobi666 (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a newest flight known as the White Dragonflight ?

Malygos Oldest?
Could anyone tell me the page number in DotD where it says that he is the oldest of the Aspects? I have read that books a few times and don't recall seeing that statement in there. Was it when Krasus went into Malygos' lair to talk to him? jclipps (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite late but its: ^ Knaak, Richard A.. Day of the Dragon, 147. ISBN 0671041515. It's been sourced already. Darigaaz the Igniter (talk) 23:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see the sentence. "...but at least one of the others had hinted that perhaps Malygos, being the eldest of those who still lived, might be more tha a bit mad."  I think it might have been misinterpreted.  When I read that, I believe Knaack was referring to him being the eldest of those who lived through Deathwing's massacre in the WotA, or the oldest of the Blue Dragonflight.  "One of the others..." IMO is talking about one of the blue dragonflight who still lived (most likely a mother, elder, or younger dragon who wasn't at the War of the Ancients).  I could go on to say how there were dragons before the Aspects, but that's irrelevant. jclipps (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Humanoid form
I think the form he has in the Yogg-Saron encounter is not of a high elf. That is a projection of the creation of the Demon Soul and at that time high elves didn't exist yet. IMO he is an original Highborne (Kaldorei that siphons the Well of Eternity energy), he is the Guardian of Magic after all. --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 14:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm questioning whether or not the other aspect's humanoid models are placeholders, I know Malygos is dead in our time, but just seeing them there with Alexstraza makes them look really half-baked, they're all basically wearing alternate colors of the same robes. This goes especially for the other aspects since they will, eventually, play major parts in the game--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 20:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Malygos in dragon form has his unique model and had no use of a unique humanoid model, since except in Y-G mind we don't see him.
 * Alexstrasza deserves both humanoid and dragon unique form, she takes a central place in the Nexus/Wrath Gate plot.
 * Ysera and Nozdormu must be placeholders (for the dragon forms), because they still have no real impact on the plot (for now). Some WMV fan-art of their humanoid forms are stuning because they are perfect depiction of the books.
 * 20:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Fan art does not matter. Malygos' form is a high elf model... I called it an oversight.-- 23:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I should point out that Yogg-Saron's flashback is grossly inaccurate, regardless of high/night elf problems, because the Aspects were in their true forms when they created the Demon Soul. -- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 02:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes fan art does not mather but they could still give Blizzard some ideas :) Ysera's fan art (with WMV) fits better the books' description (closed eyes, ethereal form, green cloak, etc...)
 * And yes Y-S's mind seems to have some troubles. Besides, where is Soridormi ? She was at the meeting in the name of her Mate.
 * 10:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That might be something worth noting in Soridormi's article now hat you mention it--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 04:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, in the book the Aspects where in their real form, Blizz just made them as humanoids to make some free space.

Status
Someone wrote: "Deceased (lore, killed by heroes aided by the red dragonflight)". I suggest we change this to simply "defeatable" or "killable", since we don't have any lore-source confirming that Malygos died.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Your "killable" option is the same thing that "Deceased". And for the other one, since Alexstrasza states that She "will mourn his loss" and that "one of the world's mightiest, has fallen", we can assume he is dead. In the Krasus clearly explain that not only a simple defeat is required.
 * Though as Malygos is an Eternal what does death really means to such a being?
 * 11:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That's something that only the Eternals themselves know- or not. Change to killable, since he does appear to "die" at the end.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 14:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Killable is always used, even if they're quite definitely dead at the end of the fight. The only time we use "deceased" is when another later lore source confirms their death (such as the WotLK manual confirming the deaths of Illidan et all). -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:47, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well...i also think about Kel'thuzad,in the Burning Crusade manual he was said to be dead,then he has returned with all the bosses of Naxxramas...Malygos Helper (talk) 11:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And so what? Something was officialy stated, and later it was changed, and so did his status in the infobox. You can't not include official valid information because of the possibility it will be retconed someday. Also considering Malygos has not been confirmed as deceased i fail to see how that's relevent to this article. 11:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * We already knew that Kel'thuzad would be back. After turning his phylactery, we were told that the Argent Dawn never received it.
 * This is not the cas with Malygos.
 * 13:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That still does not mean that Malygos is truly dead, you have to revert it back to Killable for the time being. Neltharion (talk) 00:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Neltharion it was already reverted a while ago. 00:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure about that, never rode the book, but from what i've been reading in this wiki, in Night of the Dragon, Kalec blames Krasus for killing Malygos. Also, Kalecgos is now present in the Wyrmrest Temple, meaning that the Nexus War has ended.Malygos Helper (talk) 16:18, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The book takes place just before the Nexus war is launched. Kalecgos being present at Wyrmrest is something that happens in-game and if im not mistaken could have happened prior to Malygos's death despite patch release dates which are not nessesarly relative to the narrative. All that is irrelevent however as it all still falls under "Killable" which was a compromise reached long ago as to not clutter up the infobox. He's dead, it doesn;t need to be reemphasised, Killable covers it, it's a long standing practice here. 16:24, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, true. Altrugh Kalec in the temple happened after Malygos's death. He clearly says the Nexus War ended. I still think dead is more exact, as he is stated to be dead, but until Cataclysm really no need to declare it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by.
 * Off the record I'm sure you are right. But yea "killable" covers it for now. 16:33, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I believe we used Killable because even though we can kill them in WoW doesn't necessarily mean they are dead lore-wise... even now we're see named mobs we've killed several times over finding their way into Cataclysm 4-5 years after they were supposedly killed the first time. So adding they're deceased lore-wise is something commonly added into those infoboxes. 17:01, October 3, 2010 (UTC)