Talk:Lord of the Clans

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I'm in two minds about this, but should Durotan be listed as a Major character or Minor character? I know he only features briefly at the start of the novel, but he is mentioned numerous times thorughout, and Thrall is told of his father but Drek'thar and Doomhammer. So, what do you lot think? Warchiefthrall 22:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Minor, he only makes the one appearence, the rest is just references back to his name. --  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal  http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal  22:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Continuity Errors?
Well I started reading this book and I'm only a few chapters in and already I notice several big problems with the story. First off, it says Orgrim Doomhammer is in charge of his own clan, and that he fears being exiled by Gul'dan for meeting with Durotan? As far as I know Doomhammer was never in charge of his own clan, not until he became warchief of the entire horde, and when that happend, he slaughtered all the warlocks and barely spared Gul'dan. I doubt Gul'dan would have the power to banish him, and the book talks about it like he's not warchief anyway.

Then there's the fact that they're in the Hillsbrad Foothills, near Durnholde Keep, where the humans find Thrall, which is apparently an internment camp. If Doomhammer is not yet warchief of the horde, then this must be during the first war. So the humans or the orcs should not even be that far north, and the humans never even built internment camps until after the second war was over, Gul'dan was long dead by then, and Doomhammer was in hiding. So how then, could Orgrim Doomhammer be in charge of a clan of orcs in Hillsbrad foothills, near an internment camp, seemingly a year or two before the internment camps were ever supposed to have even been created?

Does anyone have any explanations for this?

One explanation could be that Lord of the Clans actully takes place after the second war, but then why is Gul'dan still alive? He should be long dead, along with almost every other orc warlock. --Xell Khaar 02:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Guldan IS dead. Drek Thar refers to him as the "late Guldan." And of course it takes place after the second war. Langston was supposedly too young to have fought in the second war. (I'll get page numbers as soon as I can.) Swiftstar 12:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Swiftstar
 * The prologue takes place between the First and Second Wars. The events of the rest of the book take place after the Second War. -- Dark T Zeratul 14:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Tides of Darkness makes this the case (assuming that by "prologue" you mean "first chapter and a bit"; the prologue takes place prior to the Horde coming through the Dark Portal); it was seemingly intended to start after the Second War, though, given how "the orcs were proving less and less of a challenge each day" immediately after Blackmoore finds Thrall. ANd of course you have to ignore that Doomhammer made better time across land to near Durnholde than the fleeing Stormwind solders did to Southshore by sea. Andrew Timson (talk) 02:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Response to comment 1: I'm talking about the Prologue, when Thrall is a baby, not the main bulk of the book.
 * Response to comment 2: The prologue can't take place between the first and second wars because internment camps are being constructed.
 * Response to comment 3: It can't start after the Second War because Gul'dan is still alive, and he hasn't taken half the orcish forces to find the Tomb of Sargeras yet.


 * You all forget the fact that Gul'dan died during the second war, there's no way the first few chapters can take place after the Second War if Gul'dan is still alive, if he's still alive during the first few chapters, this means the Second War wasn't over yet, and this was before Gul'dan took half the Orcish forces to look for the Tomb of Sargeras, the Orcs were winning the war before this happened, and the Humans would not be constructing internment camps. Another problem is Thrall.  He was a baby when this happened, I'll assume newborn or one year old maybe.  But Of Blood and Honor takes place 14 years after Warcraft II, so that'd be 14 years after Gul'dan was dead.  If Thrall was already Warchief of the new horde in Of Blood and Honor, he'd only be like 14 years old, and since Of Blood and Honor takes place after Lord of the Clans, he'd be even younger in Lord of the Clans!  This means that the first chapters must take place before this, giving Thrall enough time to mature (18 years at least), and 18 years before Of Blood and Honor means that the first few chapters would take place before the First War ended, like 2 years before it ended.  The Humans would DEFINITELY not be making internment camps during the First War, and the Orcs would definitely not be up near Hillsbrad Foothills.  There's so many continuity errors I can't even keep track of them all, if one thing is true then it means another thing is false, there's no explaining this, the book is wrong.  -- Xell Khaar (talk) 12:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)