Talk:Broken Isles

Some older stuff
Eh? What's the source on that map? Last time I saw, Undermine was a lot further south, Balor was bigger and further north, and there were more islands in the Broken Isles chain (like this). --Kakwakas 16:06, 24 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * Kakwakas's map is correct. The earlier games may have grouped Undermine and the Broken Isles, since the maps for the those games are way different than current versions, but according to modern WoW history, they are nowhere near each other. --Anticrash 20:55, 24 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * Should some note be added that the map in the article may be obsolete?
 * --Fandyllic 10:23 AM PST 27 Dec 2005

What is all this nonsense about Naga as a Horde faction, the Broken Isles being visitable in WoW, and dungeons for level 70-80? If they're just remarkably detailed rumors, why is it stated as fact?--D&#39;nara 12:11, 24 February 2007 (EST)
 * Agreed. Until we see even a hint of an official word that anything there is in any way likely, it should go.  --Xelcyon 12:15, 2 Mar 2007 (EST)

Retcon
If the speculation was explained by blizzard in a retcon why is it still speculation? The fact that the map might have not have been to scale is irrelivent: all maps in this game series have chainged over time!-- 21:48, 1 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I'd say that while there is info that implies that Broken Isles are moving towards the Maelstrom, and will be destroyed at some point in the future, there are sections in the book that imply it didn't move as far as would have had to have moved if its location in Warcraft II map was "accurate".Baggins 20:42, 5 May 2007 (EDT)


 * If you say so.-- 20:46, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

In World of Warcraft
Look at the Isle chain north-west of the Eastern Kingdoms. Don't you think that its shape is similar to the Broken Isles? --N&#39;Nanz 09:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Similar, but not exactly the same. Its also too far north, and lore has established specifically that the islands are close to the Maelstrom as originally seen in The Frozen Throne. Also iirc there are one or two maps that show both island groups on the same map.Baggins 17:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Good, the fact that they are too far north from the Maelstrom should be explained by the fact that they are wandering (in WC2 the Tomb of Sargeras were near Kul Tiras and don't forget that they were raised from the sea) but if both Isle chain were in a same map well... Nothink to debate about this. --N&#39;Nanz 17:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually they are being pulled into the Maelstrom, not wandering away from it. Lands of Mystery which is made much later than the early maps that show the upper islands, definitely has them below the Maelstrom, and definitely states that they are being pulled into the Maelstrom.


 * As for being shown in Baradin Bay in Warcraft II maps, that's actually probably been retconned. Lands of Mystery states that island was near the Maelstrom when Aegwynn buried Sargeras there. I personally think warcraft II map was just not to scale and was just tossing all elements in the game onto the same map, and that Broken Isles have always been near the Maelstrom.Baggins 17:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's impossible. When Aegwynn buried Sargeras that wasn't an island at all. Gul'dan raised the island searching for the body. --N&#39;Nanz 17:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually it was an island when Aegwynn buried Sargeras there. She just sunk the island. Gul'dan raised again. Baggins


 * Where is stated that she sunk it!? I mean... A source? --N&#39;Nanz (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Maiev say this while chasing Illidan on WV3, i can't remember exactly when. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 16:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Harash
So is this Harash dude a Naga, or the ruling body back when it was Suramar?


 * Since it says Tide Priest Harash, it is probably safe to assume that it is a naga. This mainly because Suramar wasn't really close tho the sea prior to the War of the Ancients, or that the Night Elves worship sea spirits so greatly that a tide priest would rise to lead the community. Besides, night elf priesthood at that time was an all-female (well, at least nearly) organization, and the title Harash has clearly implies it is a male. So, I assume it is very safe to assume it is a naga. --Kulsprutejojjo 12:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * A little late, but Tide Priest Harash is a male naga shaman (Lands of Mystery, page 67). He rules the Death Hiss tribe of naga, who live on the Broken Isles.-- 02:44, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Shattered Isles
Ok anyone know where the specific term "Shattered Isles" is made? It doesn't appear to be in the warcraft II mission briefings, and it also doesn't appear to be in the manual from what I can find. Perhaps a reference in Warcraft III, or one of the books? ...or was this made up? If the later, this may need a merge.Baggins 20:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as how, even if the term shattered isles was used, they are clearly the same islands shouldn't it be merged regardless with a note about it being called shattered isles previosuly in the broken isles page (if it was)? 21:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, not necessarily it depends. We have currently allowed a split of Azeroth and Stormwind for example, due to specific lore relating to each one. We have split Stormwind and Stormwind City despite the fact that they are more or less the same location, but represent different political boundaries sorta. There has been talk of possibly splitting Draenor and Outland for the pre-history and current history information. Though for most of these the split was done for two reasons, to prevent bloating, and to highlight unique lore.Baggins 21:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I can understand how that would work, i actual may approve of the draenor/outland split, but just in this particular case i don't see any justification for doing so. 21:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well we have other similar splits like, Maelstrom, and Sunken Kalimdor, Hiji and Plunder Isle. Probably one of the greatest splits occurs with Aerie Peak, Aerie Peaks, Hinterlands and Northeron. Some other smaller splits include Shady Rest and Shady Rest Inn both of which are often just called Shady Rest), or Hillsbrad Foothills and Old Hillsbrad Foothills or Alterac Valley and Alterac Valley region or perhaps or Tidus and Tidus Stair (again more or less share the same place). Some things like Thandol Valley for example might be considered somewhat of a split as well.


 * In anycase I don't think it matters, I'm really doubting the credibility on this one, and think the material should be merged without reference to "shattered isles".Baggins 21:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ask Ragestorm where he got it.-- 21:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I honestly can't recall. I thought it was the Tides of Darkness manual, but looks like not.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 21:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * So do you think we should merge the material?Baggins 21:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably for the best. In the unlikely even I find the citation, I'll let you know.-- Ragestorm (talk &middot; contr) 03:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Hopefully something turns up :).Baggins 04:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Location
Maybe they're being pulled towards the Maelstrom, maybe not, but either way they are still in completely the wrong place. According to the WotA trilogy Suramar was between Zin-Azshari and Hyjal. What then is it doing in the opposite direction, east to south-east of the Maelstrom? Jormungand01 (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Another weird thing about the location: In the Frozen Throne, Maiev reached the Broken Isles by sailing due east from Azshara. Azshara is northwest of the Maelstrom, so if anything, the Broken Isles should be north of the Maelstrom, not south. I also think that its location in Warcraft II should be taken with a grain of salt, since only Aegwynn and Medivh knew the location of the Tomb of Sargeras, and they weren't the ones making the maps. --Alpha Sigma Sigma (talk) 07:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Remember, the Maelstrom is a vortex. If it's being pulled in, it's possible that it's spiraling inward instead of going in a straight line. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:27, November 25, 2009 (UTC)