User talk:SilverSide/Archive01

Community Team
In response to your question, Yeah, I'd like to take part in the community. What exactly do I need to do? Should I read up on WoWWiki_Community_Project to see how I can help?
 * -Anticrash 13:04, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

Yeah, I'd be interested in joining the team. I'd like to know more about what the project would entail, and I'd love to help in any way I can. Just leave a note on my talk page or drop me a more traditional e-mail (on my main user page)-Ragestorm 21:57, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

I'm interested. What is involved? [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord C y b e r S k  u  l  l  ✎☠]] 07:37, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

I might be up for joining Organization Team. I was thinking about going through the Orphaned Pages section later and fixing up a bunch of things there. --MyndFyre


 * To all of you, go visit Community teams - I just threw that up! I am looking for team leaders at the moment - go request to join a team, and I'll transfer leadership to you! I would love to have you all helping (-:
 * &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 21:07, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Do you want the Bookkeepers to deal with characeters/NPCs related to the lore and history sections?-- Ragestorm
 * Bookkeepers are for anything lore-related! Actually, bookkeepers could be a group of people that puts pictures of men pissing on the main pages of the wiki - I don't care.  You are the leader now, it is all up to you what you want to make of it! I just put some suggestions on the Community teams page, the text description there can be changed by the team leader at anytime! --  &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 21:53, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

Signature
Why do you sign with a space introducing a newline? It's rather irritating on the eyes, especially when it isn't any code with any value. -- D. F. Schmidt talk 07:24, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

You said "you don't actually sign on articles" or something very nearly that as a summary of your edit on Community Portal. The community portal &mdash; correct me if I'm wrong &mdash; isn't exactly an article per se. -- D. F. Schmidt talk 07:27, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Both answered on your talk page, DF (-:
 * 05:52, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)

Talk:Wiki Google Ads
On Talk:Wiki Google Ads, you hid (for lack of better term) the uglified link and the enormous length thereof. Ultimately it doesn't matter for two reasons, but the specific reason I didn't do the same as you did is because I wanted the sheer length of the link is insane. The two reasons it doesn't matter is:
 * 1) Rustak knows about it now
 * 2) While an ugly link, it doesn't really have any bearing on usefulness
 * Schmidt 21:10, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * Sorry, it just broke my page view - I dont know why, but those long links always break wiki for me... anyway, that's the only reason I shortened it (-:
 * [[User:SilverSide| Silver\Side]] 21:12, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)

This is kind of the emphasis I was trying to make--if the link is long enough to break the page view, it's too freaking long, and without it displayed as it was, the sheer length of the link wouldn't be noticeable. But it's fine either way as it has already been noticed anyways. That's why I haven't changed it back; it's okay. Schmidt 08:50, 2 Dec 2005 (EST)

Colored backgrounds
While you're making colorful backgrounds for some &lt;div>'s and things, do you prefer solid border over outset? Me, I prefer outset. And with outset, you might even be able to use the same exact color as the background yet it show up lighter in the top and left and darker in the bottom right. (Just expressing opinion, and the question is academic, not aggressive.) You might want to try inset, too. Schmidt 21:42, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * I simply prefer the simplest option - 1px solid. anyday.  if you'll notice, with over 200 admins arguing over the main page at Wikipedia, not once have they switched from their current main page appearance (layout, yes, but appearance, no)
 * [[User:SilverSide| Silver\Side]] 22:04, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * More information about my thinking behind colored backgrounds and layouts is available here: User talk:AlexanderYoshi
 * [[User:SilverSide| Silver\Side]] 17:36, 3 Dec 2005 (EST)

Template:1 and all the others
Template:1 and so on should never have existed. I'm not sure why they were ever created, but it shouldn't, because &#123;&#123;{1}}} represents variable 1; likewise for 2 on. So why did you create template:7 and template:8 and any others you may have created? Schmidt 02:12, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * The reason they are created is so they work. For the template &#123;&#123;&#123;1}} tag to work, the page &#123;&#123;1}} has to be blank otherwise it is parsed as &#123; &#123;&#123;1}} } ending up as &#123;whateverisintemplateone} - make sense? and I have now also created 9-19 (-:
 * They *HAVE* to stay this way for template substitutions to work... see more in wikimedia's MediaWiki manual!
 * &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 16:07, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

WoWWiki namespace articles
Why have you created so many of these things? The mere existence of them is not such a bad thing, but at the very least you should explain what the article is for in at least a few words. On the other hand, though, for a lot of them, their existence seems worthless. Some might disagree with me.


 * WoWWiki:Trade
 * Yes, I know your plans for this, but I don't see the application for it really. Stuff like this would be better put on a guild page or one of the official WoW Server boards, or in AH or in chat. Also, this has nothing to do with WoWWiki proper, so it definitely shouldn't be in this namespace.
 * Objectivity
 * I suspect that this has more use in Wikipedia than here.
 * Wikisquatting – huh?
 * Bandwidth stealing
 * I can only guess this means linking images from other sources, but that's something I just now thought of. Now, is it better to upload images here and possibly lose the source, or to steal bandwidth? It's probably best to just link to a source that has an image rather than to do either of the above.
 * NP Patrol – no clue
 * Democracy – doesn't make sense to me now to have this article

Schmidt 02:45, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * Ahh - I will explain my work on the talk pages now. I already had other complaining about me not explaining what I do, and I fully understand and now try to do my best to explain myself on the talk page of any stub I make or page I work on.  Those I merely created before I started this personal policy.  Look at those pages' talk page for more info on each of them now...
 * &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 16:09, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Thanks for the explanation. I still don't understand the reason for having a democracy page, but maybe it'll come to use later. It'd be nice to at least have some more admins, though, so some action can be taken at the decision of the council. Schmidt 10:41, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

Moving (renaming) articles
It's important to move articles rather than just copy their contents to another page. By moving the article, the history is also moved so you can determine who added any given content (if you look long enough).

By simply copying and pasting the contents, none of that is saved. Two problems can arise from this: no one can take responsibility for adding any information, and if the article it came from is deleted (if there is even a link to that article), you'll never be able to know.

I mention this because you did this with "Shaky" Phillipe and Shaky Phillipe.

If you move only parts of an article from one to another, make a link in the summary (at the bottom of the edit page) to that article. For instance,

(moved some info from "Shaky" Phillipe because the relevant section got too big)

That way, we'll know where to look for the history on that. Also, you should always say something for the edit summary no matter what your edit is (moving, spelling, formatting, adding info – whatever!), unless it's your own page, like user:SilverSide/something. This is especially true because some people don't like you (because you have only recently done anything and they don't approve of the sudden flood of edits) and would rather have you not around. That way you can at least go through your contributions and see the nature of your edits. Schmidt 03:25, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * I *CAN'T* move articles - I work exclusively on Apples and the move function crashes every time with a mySQL error (I have already asked yoshi to let me fix the various errors - needless to say with my current reputation, he declined) - this shouldn't have anything to do with my 'Macness' but it apparently does because it works on PCs that I use once in a while. About the edit summaries, I try my best to remember to do so, and sometimes I do.  I just move too fast in general t o remember it - I will try harder.
 * &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 16:13, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

I probably get that same error every time I try moving an article. However, whenever I do so, I reload the page that I supposedly didn't move and it is redirected to the page I moved it to. Maybe you have the same issue. I'm not certain. Schmidt 10:41, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

Other templates
Why template:thott? You created it with a "g" and deleted that, so it's empty. Why create a template just so you don't have a red template link where you were referring to a variable? That's the same thing that happened with the template:1 and so on. Those templates should have never existed, and you shouldn't create any more like that. I'd by far prefer seeing a red template link; at least you can see where the variable belongs! See Template:Dossier, and don't create the templates that appear to be linked! Schmidt 03:10, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * As I have said elsewhere, I come from wikipedia - they blank out the template number pages every hour by one of K's cleaning bots, and I assume they have a reason so I did the same here. Please do not scold me like that; assuming you know more than I do.  If you feel it necessary to not blank out template substitutions, then start a vote on it; until then I will blank every template substitution that is used in a template I make.  As it is, I have a habit of using reference numbers instead of specific names like you do, so you need not worry about me blanking out your templates.
 * &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 16:16, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

I also come from wikipedia. I don't know that they blank out the template number pages; I've never heard of that before. (But note what you see when you go to wikipedia:Template:1. There's a history of 2 deletes – not one every hour – going back to June 2004.) But what you've said is at least a little bit wrong. See user:D. F. Schmidt/Sandbox at the bottom. See the code for that and the page that it calls (which acts exactly as a template), user:D. F. Schmidt/Template. When you see the page that it calls, it appears that the display on the sandbox is going to be messed up, but it's fine. Plus, it allows you to see where the 20th variable fits in the equation. See each of them to get an idea of what I'm talking about. This is why you don't want to create templates with these numbers. Sure, Wikipedia has a different system of displaying this; I have no idea about that. Schmidt 10:41, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * What you suggest is unorthodox, but not a bad idea. I don't really know; I always did simple community work over at wikipedia; never had occasion to work with templates ^^/
 * If you like, go ahead and ask yoshi to terminate them, fine by me!

~: &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 11:46, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)

DB Sql error encountered
This error occured when i hit "move" for 1.9 to 1.9.0, the page moved fine, but still this error occured A database query syntax error has occurred. This could be because of an illegal search query (see Searching WoWWiki), or it may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: UPDATE LOW_PRIORITY searchindex SET si_title='1 9 0' WHERE si_page=23914 from within function "SearchUpdate::doUpdate". MySQL returned error "1016: Can't open file: 'searchindex.MYI' (errno: 145)". Other than that, a link to PatchNotes & PatchMirrors would be nice. not sure where on the front page it'd fit though. CrazyJack
 * CJ : Fixed up the patch notes page to merge it with the existing one.


 * (Pardon me, just passing through...) That happens when you move articles. It should still have moved, though. Check again. That kind of thing has happened to me quite a bit. Schmidt 18:14, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * (Also passing through...) I don't think SilverSide has access to change the Main Page (only Admins have access currently, I believe). Also there are already a bunch of pages about patches, but apparently they are too hard to find.
 * --Fandyllic 5:36 PM PST 7 December 2005


 * Don't worry, I jsut told him to come here if he needs help with something thanks for helping him (-:
 * And yes, there is a permenant move error; although it works fine for me on my school's PCs, just my macs have the error up here.
 * I have no access to the current main page, but this page will soon be moved to the main page (as soon as I have admin, or get yoshi to do it) - add your suggestions on there, and leave a comment on the talk page.
 * &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 16:19, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

WoWWiki:Vandal, and Laisren
Dude, the last thing we need is someone beginning an edit war on Vandal of all places! I'm not blaming either of you for starting it, but I do know that neither of you should be continuing it. But do realize that user:LAISREN has been around quite a bit longer than you have. Neither of us are admins, but at this point, I would be willing (if I was able) to put you on a one-week suspension until we get everything sorted out. It'd be really great if you explain yourself, in at least a few words, as said before. And if someone removes what you've done, there is no reason you should redo that thing. You should explain yourself, your reasoning, and otherwise leave it alone. Let someone else agree with you first. Schmidt 18:36, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * Ummm... what he said... except for the suspension part. I removed SilverSide from the vandal list. Hopefully that doesn't aggravate the issue, but I thought it was silly.
 * --Fandyllic 5:36 PM PST 7 December 2005


 * Please do not remove me - the problem is at the heart of it, with LAISREN and his dislike of me - removing the mere surface manifestations of of that problem will merely make it worse. The cancer needs to be removed, not hidden.  And Schmidt, I had considered you a friend, like fand - a game website is not the place to foster hatred and arguments, but that is exactly what is happening.  Fandyl has figured that out and is being helpful and pointing out my errors in an apprecitave and helpful way instead of threatening me with suspension and telling me how to run my operation.  Thanks for your time, I am off to finish documenting my work, as you requested!
 * &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 16:24, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Me, I know that it seems that I've been ragging on you, but you would probably prefer ragging from me than from some others around, or just a blatant banning, if an admin came around and saw so many accusations aimed at you. (None of us that contribute anything worth something is an admin.) I just realize the need to tell people where they're going wrong, so they correct themselves so that that doesn't happen. If you (just a new guy, as many people see you) do something like moving the vandal list to another page, and someone (who has been around longer than you) undoes it, well, you should leave it, and tell why you did the change the first time around (even before you were to do it), and you should let it be until someone else comments that it should be as you had done. You speak about democracy, and want the good of the people, well, don't try to stage a coup and become a dictator unless everyone agrees to it!

This is the only reason I would (if I could) suspend you, and that only for a week, as I said. To an extent, it disappoints me that you wouldn't consider me your friend, and even worse your enemy, but all the same I have to do what I have to do. Sometimes that happens. If feelings are at stake, though, I would rather the wiki benefit and have no feelings at all than to have feelings and the wiki fail and decay into an edit war. Schmidt 10:41, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)


 * I know I was a little backwards in taking that third revert step (see three-revert rule), but I did and left an explanatory comment; also, I see laisren exactly as the opposite of you; I see him as a vandal and not looking out for the best of the community. If you, or fandyllic, or ragestorm were to have reverted that, I would have left it - I just saw it as an attempt to revert it merely because I made the change - thus worth of another revert back... anyway, I left a note and he seems to understand, as it has been left as it is.  I mostly do consider you a friend, just you seem to side with laisren, and at the moment he is the only person inhabiting this wiki whom I don't particularly like.
 * &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide|undefined 11:59, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)